SevenStars January 21, 2015 Share January 21, 2015 That's fair enough, but those in charge of Glee want to pat themselves on the back for diversity when in truth almost every minority character was there to support the story of a white person. Most of them were there as token, so that Glee could claim this diversity title. Glee is not the first show to do that, they are just the only one that had several token minorities, unlike other shows that usually had only 1 or 2. I think Glee's impact come from having so many token minorities. I would like to give Glee credit for having so many minorities but I'm not one of those people who want to see token minorities on screen just so that I can see them. I want them to actually serve a purpose on the show, beside being a stereotype. Glee fail to do that on so many level. So I'm not going to start congratulating them for having them. Glee had an impact because for the first time gay characters were treated like fully develop human beings, not just tokens. I'm grateful for that and I give Glee credit for that. But not when it comes to other minorities on the show. 6 Link to comment
Featherhat January 27, 2015 Share January 27, 2015 I think there had been some pretty good LGBT characters on shows before which were treated well and had their own storylines (even as regular characters) etc, but Kurt is probably one of the first ones that went so viral post new media explosion. Link to comment
Cranberry January 27, 2015 Share January 27, 2015 South of Nowhere was on The N(!) from 2005-2008, and the main character was a teenage lesbian who had an on/off relationship with a bisexual girl and ended up with her at the end of the series. Her coming out process and her parents' reaction to it was central to the first season, and her love life was just as important as anyone else's in subsequent seasons. Of course, due to being on Nick there were long periods of hairbrushing or hugging instead of actual kisses, but overall the LGBT characters on that show were treated well and were certainly not tokens. That wasn't a network show, though, so it didn't get nearly the amount of attention Glee got. 2 Link to comment
pete January 29, 2015 Share January 29, 2015 http://www.fox.com/watch/390339651884/7684378368 Top 9 nicknames. Weak answers and of course Blaine are nice nicknames not insults like all the others. Link to comment
fakeempress January 29, 2015 Share January 29, 2015 Oh look, another bts with Darren on set. 1 Link to comment
caracas1914 January 29, 2015 Author Share January 29, 2015 Mia and professional in the same sentence is an oxymoron. 1 Link to comment
jaytee1812 January 29, 2015 Share January 29, 2015 Oh look, another bts with Darren on set. To be fair the other lists were done with Becca Tobin and Vanessa Lengies. The lists are Blaine heavy but I'm sure they said they were voted for by fans. Link to comment
dizzyizzy01 January 29, 2015 Share January 29, 2015 Semi-related to Glee, but I was watching the local news and they interviewed Lee Daniels about Empire. He said that Glee was actually what inspired him to do a musical TV show. Someone in his house was watching Glee one day, and he was basically like oh shoot, I wish I had done that, and has been thinking about how to do a TV musical show ever since. Link to comment
jaytee1812 January 29, 2015 Share January 29, 2015 The idea behind Glee was an inspiration, the execution was the problem. The idea of someone like Danny Strong (co-creator of Empire) or Lee Daniels behind Glee. That really would've been a great show. 1 Link to comment
fakeempress January 29, 2015 Share January 29, 2015 Is Danny Strong the Jonathan on Buffy Danny? Link to comment
jaytee1812 January 29, 2015 Share January 29, 2015 Is Danny Strong the Jonathan on Buffy Danny? Yeah, he also wrote The Butler, where he worked with Lee Daniels. 1 Link to comment
spiritof76 January 29, 2015 Share January 29, 2015 And apparently Empire went up in the ratings again last night. That is almost unheard of. Looks like Fox finally has another hit on their hands. (fingers still crossed for Amber on this show! I could even see Naya.) 4 Link to comment
jaytee1812 January 29, 2015 Share January 29, 2015 I'm hoping Jacob will show up on Empire or How To Get Away With Murder. 2 Link to comment
Advance35 January 29, 2015 Share January 29, 2015 I refuse to let this happen again. I have been so tempted to watch empire since I love Taraji BUT I am going to need to hear good things about it consistently until the middle of their season 2. "Glee" will NEVER happen to me again. EVER. 1 Link to comment
jaytee1812 January 29, 2015 Share January 29, 2015 I refuse to let this happen again. I have been so tempted to watch empire since I love Taraji BUT I am going to need to hear good things about it consistently until the middle of their season 2. "Glee" will NEVER happen to me again. EVER. Honestly the writers are so good I doubt a Glee could happen. You should watch it. Link to comment
fakeempress January 31, 2015 Share January 31, 2015 (edited) They also put Darren on the GleeOnFox snapchat. I don't know how many platforms they use, but it's a sure bet he's on all of them. It's almost like a game of spot the Darren. Edited January 31, 2015 by fakeempress Link to comment
fakeempress February 2, 2015 Share February 2, 2015 (edited) 606 sneak peak is out, and hardly surprising Naya and Heather aren't in this promo even though it's about Brittana's engagement, while Darren hogs more screen time than probably Blaine has in the actual episode, and surprise! talking about himself again. I lost count of the number of promos he's now appeared in for this season. Edited February 2, 2015 by fakeempress 1 Link to comment
ComfySweater February 2, 2015 Share February 2, 2015 Does Darren get any choice in this? I'd be more angry if he seemed to have a hand in it. Link to comment
fakeempress February 2, 2015 Share February 2, 2015 I'd say he could scale it down if he wanted, his girlfriend is the producer of these spots. Link to comment
fakeempress February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 This is getting ridiculous. Darren's the only cast-member live on a Glee YouTube Welcome video, promoting the Glee UT channel, the rest is a clip show. We're told "Who doesn't subscribe to Glee's UT channel to get inside Darren's [garble garble robot voice] like that?" WTF 1 Link to comment
tom87 February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 Yeah that is two more just today and he wasn't needed for either video. Link to comment
fakeempress February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 http://www.etonline.com/tv/158945_we_never_stopped_believing_how_glee_finally_got_its_groove_back/ The word "revolutionary" is used non-ironically, the genius of "Run Joey Run" is dissed, and many other inanities. What is this journalist smoking? Link to comment
Ceeg February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 Leanne Aguilera has to write that. She's the one Glee is giving the early sneak peeks to. Link to comment
fakeempress February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 (edited) Yeah, I thought so too. But even so, the examples are laughable (Sugar Motta is the best example of inconsistency?), tropes is misspelt "troupes", sub-standard all around. Edited February 4, 2015 by fakeempress Link to comment
shantown February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 Wow, Glee even screws up media promotion. Link to comment
tom87 February 3, 2015 Share February 3, 2015 Wow, Glee even screws up media promotion. Glee PR screw ups are the most continuity they have tbh. 5 Link to comment
fakeempress February 4, 2015 Share February 4, 2015 Short interview with Dot (SPOILER in the link) In particular: "When Glee's Dot-Marie Jones was first told her character Coach Beiste was going to reveal she is transgender, the actress had a small hesitation – but not for the reason you might think. "I just didn't want to let down the girls who are straight and tomboys that my character represented the last four seasons,' " Jones tells PEOPLE of her character transitioning from female to male on the FOX show's sixth – and final – season. "But I got the script and I was, like, 'Oh my God. This is amazing.' " http://www.people.com/article/glee-dot-marie-jones-coach-beiste-transgender-first-photo Link to comment
kennyab February 4, 2015 Share February 4, 2015 I disagree with the change in Coach Bieste's character, but Dot-Marie is always a class act, and I'm glad she acknowledged what the character's represented up until now. While I do want to see more transgender and transexual representation, Shannon's just the wrong character to do this with, as she was already compelling and spoke well to an underrepresented audience. But it's Glee, so whatever. If it weren't for Dot's warmth, I wouldn't care one bit for the character, as he's essentially become an inconsistent spokes vessel at this point. It's totally because of the talented person playing Bieste that I want him to have a happy ending. 4 Link to comment
jaytee1812 February 4, 2015 Share February 4, 2015 Short interview with Dot (SPOILER in the link) In particular: "When Glee's Dot-Marie Jones was first told her character Coach Beiste was going to reveal she is transgender, the actress had a small hesitation – but not for the reason you might think. "I just didn't want to let down the girls who are straight and tomboys that my character represented the last four seasons,' " Jones tells PEOPLE of her character transitioning from female to male on the FOX show's sixth – and final – season. "But I got the script and I was, like, 'Oh my God. This is amazing.' " http://www.people.com/article/glee-dot-marie-jones-coach-beiste-transgender-first-photo That's exactly the reason I thought she would be hesitant. Bieste must've been an inspiration to girls like that. It's not often they see themselves on screen, especially in a positive role. 4 Link to comment
tab19 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) Another Glee FInal Countdown video: This one "Top 8 Exciting Moments". Do we know how they picked these? ie, fan voting? Because whether fans or Glee, the video *clearly* shows Rachel is the star of the show, since the top 8 moments include four featuring Rachel: Finn proposes, Rachel gets Fanny, Kurt surprises Rachel in NYC, and Rachel's FG debut. (I'm now hearing, "Rachel, Rachel, Rachel!" in Marcia's voice in my head). Actually, arguably five, since another moment is the Nationals win, and Rachel is featured in the clip. The other three are shipper scenes: one Brittana scene (Santana loves Brittany from Season 2) and two Klaine scenes (first kiss and engagement). Edited February 5, 2015 by tab19 Link to comment
dizzyizzy01 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Another Glee FInal Countdown video: This one "Top 8 Exciting Moments". Do we know how they picked these? ie, fan voting? Because whether fans or Glee, the video *clearly* shows Rachel is the star of the show, since the top 8 moments include four featuring Rachel: Finn proposes, Rachel gets Fanny, Kurt surprises Rachel in NYC, and Rachel's FG debut. (I'm now hearing, "Rachel, Rachel, Rachel!" in Marcia's voice in my head). Actually, arguably five, since another moment is the Nationals win, and Rachel is featured in the clip. The other three are shipper scenes: one Brittana scene (Santana loves Brittany from Season 2) and two Klaine scenes (first kiss and engagement). The description says fan-voted. I don't know where they voted, maybe facebook or fox.com or something. Link to comment
tom87 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I know the voting missed Rachel singing DROMP. Weird. :) Link to comment
jaytee1812 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 So basically there's one glee club moment out of eight? Link to comment
Myrna123 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 It's like one of the stars of Glee is cast in a future Fox tv show or something. 1 Link to comment
tom87 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Give me a break, not everything is a conspiracy. 1 Link to comment
Myrna123 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Give me a break, not everything is a conspiracy. Not everything isn't. No break given. Link to comment
Ceeg February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 The voting came from twitter questions posed by Darren's girlfriend, who only has 3k followers, and big portion of which are probably Darren fans. So, that's why these dumb poll results might be skewed. Link to comment
tom87 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) The voting came from twitter questions posed by Darren's girlfriend, who only has 3k followers, and big portion of which are probably Darren fans. So, that's why these dumb poll results might be skewed. I can't with people taking these polls seriously in any sense, it is so absurd. It is who ever happens to see it and the same groups get others within their group to vote. They are suppose to be for fun but some fans within the overall fandom have replaced their sense of fun with resentment. Edited February 5, 2015 by tom87 2 Link to comment
camussie February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) They weren't as much Rachel heavy but season 5 heavy (3 of the 8 were season 5). For example I think Rachel's FG debut should be in there but I also think Beth's birth/Bohemian Rhapsody should be in there as well. I would have put it in there in place of Rachel getting FG after her singing temper tantrum. I also would have put "Break a Leg/I love you" in instead of the proposal. Edited February 5, 2015 by camussie 1 Link to comment
jaytee1812 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 They weren't as much Rachel heavy but season 5 heavy (3 of the 8 were season 5) which is strange considering the ratings for season 5. People tend to have short memories. I they were individual/couple heavy. Only the Nationals win is about the glee club. I agree with you Beth's birth should be there, (despite how much I hate that version of Bohemian Rhapsody). Their first sectionals win and graduations should be there too. Link to comment
tom87 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Exciting is very subjective too. I liked the performance of Bohemian Rhapsody but didn't fine the birth of Beth to be exciting it was pretty cliche she would have it at Sectionals. Not sure what I would say was exciting I keep thinking more shocking or wtf moments tbh. Link to comment
Myrna123 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I don't think anything exciting has ever happened on Glee, but then I've always read spoilers... not that anything in the spoilers has ever been that exciting either. Most of Glee's "excitement" tends to come from WTF moments that weren't eluded to, built up to or earned. Link to comment
tab19 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) The voting came from twitter questions posed by Darren's girlfriend, who only has 3k followers, and big portion of which are probably Darren fans. So, that's why these dumb poll results might be skewed. Seriously? That's the stupidest way to run something that they're calling 'official' I've ever heard. I know it's not important, but I'm offended by poorly thought out surveys in principle. Like, why not at least put the poll on the Glee website instead of some random Glee-affiliated twitter account? Whatever, clearly I'm giving this way more thought than anyone at Glee or Fox. And it only matters because the RESULTS are a reflection on Glee, and we're all sitting here going 'Hunh?' at those results. My curiosity about how the voting occurred was driven by the idea that you can affect the result pretty easily just by the format: Like, whoever decides what you're going to vote on controls the vote. So I figured that Glee had selected a Rachel-heavy field of options. But given the way this survey was 'conducted' - I am now only surprised that it's not 7/8 Darren-related, simply because you have to figure Darren fans are more likely to follow his girlfriend's twitter. And yes, 'exciting' is a stupid word to use. Better would be 'unforgettable' or 'game-changing'. Wow, apparently I'm really irritated about this poll! Edited February 5, 2015 by tab19 Link to comment
jaytee1812 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Wow, apparently I'm really irritated about this poll! I think it comes from the notion, already expressed several times in all threads, that Glee can't even do the simplest shit well. No wonder a network show was beyond them. I studied PR at university, I never completed my degree so have never worked in the field. But our class projects were more professional than that. 1 Link to comment
indeed February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) Pace yourself, there are still more "polls" to come! LOL I was wondering how these results came about. I guess at least somebody is doing something to count down to the series finale...even if it is a bit sketchy. Edited February 5, 2015 by indeed 1 Link to comment
dizzyizzy01 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Seriously? That's the stupidest way to run something that they're calling 'official' I've ever heard. I know it's not important, but I'm offended by poorly thought out surveys in principle. I mean you said it yourself. It's not important. It's promo for a cancelled show that has terrible ratings. They aren't going to have a large budget for promotional activities. It is still a fox affiliated twitter account. It's also very low-cost to do a "poll" like this. A tweak to a website is very cheap to do, but still does cost money and take some time. A few twitter questions don't require the lead time and production cycle. Link to comment
Ceeg February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 It is still a fox affiliated twitter account. It's also very low-cost to do a "poll" like this. A tweak to a website is very cheap to do, but still does cost money and take some time. A few twitter questions don't require the lead time and production cycle. Not that I think this poll means anything, but I could literally create a poll on Survey Monkey and have it reach more people in the Glee fandom than using twitter suggestions. 1 Link to comment
dizzyizzy01 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Not that I think this poll means anything, but I could literally create a poll on Survey Monkey and have it reach more people in the Glee fandom than using twitter suggestions. There are rules to using systems like Survey Monkey or whatever internal survey tool they might have. There are usually corporate accounts tied to stuff like this and charge backs to use of the tools. A free survey on Survey Monkey has a lot of limitations, and most organizations don't allow company sponsored surveys to use the free version anyway. Link to comment
dizzyizzy01 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I'm just saying they aren't going to go through that additional effort for a cancelled show. Link to comment
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