Season 19 Live Feed Discussion

[Callaphera]

4 minutes ago, Vixenstud said:

Heh, read that link somewhere else.

Would someone please explain Alex's extreme hate for Kevin?  According to this link he allegedly belittled her/picked fights with her but I never saw that.

Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe she's referring to that moment in the storage room when she pretended that she was mad at him for constantly asking her what food he could eat as a HN to cover up the fact that she hated his guts and wanted to back door him?

Even more telling was her saying that picking fights with Mark was fun! So fun! So entertaining! 

You always hope that these exit interviews show a shred of self-reflection or something but they never do. They just double down on what pissed you off in the first place about them. 

[Cutty]

32 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

See y'all at Celebrity BB, where I presume Crossfit superstar Christmas will compete, along with reigning BB winner, Paul!

Don't forget Frankie "Social Media Mogul" Grande.

[Lady Calypso]

10 minutes ago, Vixenstud said:

Heh, read that link somewhere else.

Would someone please explain Alex's extreme hate for Kevin?  According to this link he allegedly belittled her/picked fights with her but I never saw that.

She's delusional, in my opinion. Kevin never picked a fight with her, unless it was in a joking manner. Alex, I think, is just reading things wrong or looking for reasons to hate Kevin. 

She also said picking fights with Mark was fun. I don't remember seeing the fun aspects with Pillowgate. 

[Cutty]

30 minutes ago, watch2much said:

I feel somewhat sorry for Cody.  He gave up his summer with his child for what he thought was a fair chance to compete.  He played full tilt right off (unlike Arbor Day who held back) and got rid of what he rightly perceived was the big threat only to be blindsided by the show in giving Paul THREE weeks of safety.  I know, expect the unexpected, but he felt that was a highly unfair advantage.  Then he endured weeks of relentless attacks, mostly personal.  Then he's rightly bored in the jury house.  I'm sure he'd rather be with his daughter or with people he respects.  Still, rather than engage in conversations he realized could get heated, his chooses not to.  Like him or not, he's true to himself.  I will vote for him.  

He signed up to spend his summer on a stupid reality show. I'm not going to feel sorry for the guy that it didn't turn out exactly as he wanted. I don't fault Cody for wanting Paul out right away but he went about it poorly. Even if Paul doesn't get three weeks of safety, there's no guarantee that he goes home. Votes probably turn out exactly how they did for Christmas vs. Jillian.

I wish there never would've been the pre-jury battle back. Cody would be home and Jessica might've had a shot to go deeper in the game.

Edited September 15, 2017 by Cutty

[Wings]

1 minute ago, Lady Calypso said:

She's delusional, in my opinion. Kevin never picked a fight with her, unless it was in a joking manner. Alex, I think, is just reading things wrong or looking for reasons to hate Kevin. 

She also said picking fights with Mark was fun. I don't remember seeing the fun aspects with Pillowgate. 

It was sport for her.  She loved trashing people!  A perfect example, Kevin just empties the trash because he thinks it will make him look cool.  She got no response from Flag Day or Josh, who were present.  That even floored them.  

I have to believe this is a reflection of her real life.  You can't just decide you love to demean and harass people out of the blue. 

[RandomWatcher]

2 minutes ago, Cutty said:

He signed up to spend his summer on a stupid reality show. I'm not going to feel sorry for the guy that it didn't turn out exactly as he wanted. I don't fault Cody for wanting Paul out right away but he went about it poorly. Even if Paul doesn't get three weeks of safety, there's no guarantee that he goes home. Votes probably turn out exactly how they did for Christmas vs. Jillian.

I wish there never would've been the pre-jury battle back. Cody would be home and Jessica might've had a shot to go deeper in the game.

Since  Jessica wasn't brainwashed by Paul, I suspect she would have been out after Cody.

[Lady Calypso]

Alex doesn't even have to like Kevin; she just doesn't need to harass him, bully him, and make up stupid lies about why he's the worst. 

4 minutes ago, Cutty said:

He signed up to spend his summer on a stupid reality show. I'm not going to feel sorry for the guy that it didn't turn out exactly as he wanted. I don't fault Cody for wanting Paul out right away but he went about it poorly. Even if Paul doesn't get three weeks of safety, there's no guarantee that he goes home. Votes probably turn out exactly how they did for Christmas vs. Jillian.

I wish there never would've been the pre-jury battle back. Cody would be home and Jessica might've had a shot to go deeper in the game.

I definitely agree that Cody handled things poorly. He shouldn't have isolated himself with Jessica during week 1 the way that he did. That screwed his game; it probably would have been salvageable at that point, but he didn't bother, so Paul took the opportunity to turn the whole house against them. 

Eh; with Jessica, she was still going to be a target. If I remember correctly, when Cody left, the target list was Ramses, and then Jessica. She was always going to be the target, though maybe things could have changed. Or, more likely, Paul still would have gotten his boot order. 

There's a lot of what ifs that would have changed the game. What if Cody didn't return? What if Cody and Jess didn't align with each other? What if Paul never returned to the house? What if Alex was evicted early? Sadly, none of these things ever happened, so we'll never know. We got Big Mental Warfare starring Paul. 

I still like Cody. I still think he's a fairly decent guy. He just wasn't made for Big Brother in any sense. This is 100% the opposite of who he seems to be. Social game and being stuck in a house with people is the opposite of Cody. He might have excelled better in Survivor, but honestly, I'm just happy that we got a different type of reality TV personality to see. When do we ever see someone defy the normal cliches? 

[Cutty]

5 minutes ago, RandomWatcher said:

Since  Jessica wasn't brainwashed by Paul, I suspect she would have been out after Cody.

Which is why she should've just put Paul and Alex on the block the week Cody came back. 

I like Jessica so I'm probably a little biased when evaluating her gameplay. She was just as bad at the game as Cody was. 

[peachmangosteen]

12 hours ago, PoshSprinkles said:

Our only hope is Josh winning final HOH and sending Paul packing. Come on, meatball!

But then Christmas will win and that's like tied with Paul winning for worst ending!

12 hours ago, Cutty said:

I mean, Cody played the game very badly. 

I get that people are voting for Cody just to stick it to Paul and his crew ...

They all played the game badly, so that's not a factor in who to vote for really. And personally, as I've said, I'm voting for Cody because he is the only one who consistently entertained me and I watch this show to be entertained.

11 hours ago, Callaphera said:

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I didn't think he came across as an asshole. I was amused by him. More amused by Elena but Cody gave me a chuckle or two during the jury house segment. Blunt, sarcastic, yeah. But not an asshole.

This. I'm shocked at the negative reaction to Cody walking away from Matt's obvious attempt to start shit.

2 hours ago, shelley1234 said:

I have to think they'd make all 3 rounds of the HoH something Christmas can play in.   Isn't round 2 usually a mental comp?

 

1 hour ago, PoshSprinkles said:

Usually it's a skill/crapshoot competition. 

They said they wouldn't change any comps to accommodate Christmas. Also, part 2 is usually (actually I think it's always) a mental comp that involves a heavy physical element.

This season was worth it for last night's jury segment alone. 

At this point all I have left to hope for is that Paul doesn't get every vote. But also, even though I know it's not gonna happen and that Paul will 100% win, I'm gonna pray that Paul loses to Josh 5-4 again like last year. 

Edited September 15, 2017 by peachmangosteen

[RandomWatcher]

1 minute ago, Cutty said:

Which is why she should've just put Paul and Alex on the block the week Cody came back. 

I like Jessica so I'm probably a little biased when evaluating her gameplay. She was just as bad at the game as Cody was. 

I agree, that was a bad move on her part.

[Lady Calypso]

1 minute ago, Cutty said:

Which is why she should've just put Paul and Alex on the block the week Cody came back. 

I like Jessica so I'm probably a little biased when evaluating her gameplay. She was just as bad at the game as Cody was. 

She should have, absolutely. But she seemed to want to please Paul that week...and she wanted Josh out more. The issue is that she also listened to Cody when she won veto and wanted to take Ramses off. That was Cody's mistake, and Jessica should have said no to him and Elena. If she had taken Ramses off, things would have shifted. So they definitely played a bad game. 

[peachmangosteen]

Oh, and about Matt, I really hate that guy. He is completely brain dead. Just like there are literally no thoughts in his head. At all. It's alarming.

[Cutty]

1 minute ago, Lady Calypso said:

There's a lot of what ifs that would have changed the game. What if Cody didn't return? What if Cody and Jess didn't align with each other? What if Paul never returned to the house? What if Alex was evicted early? Sadly, none of these things ever happened, so we'll never know. We got Big Mental Warfare starring Paul. 

The biggest what if for me is if Paul never came into the house. I might be crazy but I think the season had potential. It would have been interesting to watch. You saw the beginnings of it with Cody's whole babes & bros vs outsiders. But I don't think that alliance would've lasted very long at all.

[Lady Calypso]

4 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

But then Christmas will win and that's like tied with Paul winning for worst ending!

She might not. That's what Christmas ASSUMES, but Josh getting Paul out will guarantee some votes. Cody with vote for Josh if he gets out Paul. Mark likes Josh a lot more than Christmas, for some reason. Elena will also respect Josh's game move. Jason will respect Josh's goodbye message. That means Josh only needs one more vote, and I believe Josh could win over Christmas. 

[lids]

27 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

She should have, absolutely. But she seemed to want to please Paul that week...and she wanted Josh out more. The issue is that she also listened to Cody when she won veto and wanted to take Ramses off. That was Cody's mistake, and Jessica should have said no to him and Elena. If she had taken Ramses off, things would have shifted. So they definitely played a bad game. 

I don't think that Jessica getting Josh out that week would have made a huge difference. The sides were already set by that point. The house against Jody (with wishy washy Ramses and Mark maybe staying loyal). Anybody who would have won HOH besides Jody would have put them up. They were all susceptible to Paul's influence by that time.

To shift the game, I think two things needed to happen:

1)The fans needed to dole out those temptations differently. I've said this before, but giving the temptation to Paul was pure stupidity on the part of the public. I know people feel it was an unavoidable foregone outcome once production brought Paul back, but I don't know if that's true. Now that TPTB are requiring All Access membership to vote, maybe things will be different in the future. I also think the fans giving the temptation to Hug a Tree Day was dumb. Sure we didn't know anybody, but give the temptations to outsiders, people who always get crapped on in the game. This is how you shift distributions of power. In the case of this season, all the outlier players probably would have just gifted their temptations to Paul, but I think in general, giving power to the powerless is a better way to go.

2)The second major change that would have needed to happen is that Cody would have needed to not win first HOH. That was a rookie mistake, and when he plays again I don't think he'd do that. Had he not won, Alex would have won, Megan would have never quit and Paul would have targeted Alex. All those bad twists production unleashed would have fallen on Alex and Cody could have rallied a team more discreetly. Well, as discreet as bulldog Cody could be.

Edited September 15, 2017 by lids

[RandomWatcher]

Other what ifs:

What if production never set up that first temptation that would allow Paul back in the game

What if Megan had never self evicted

What if Boxing Day had never broken her foot

[ByaNose]

3 minutes ago, RandomWatcher said:

Other what ifs:

What if production never set up that first temptation that would allow Paul back in the game

What if Megan had never self evicted

What if Boxing Day had never broken her foot

Boxing Day. Too funny! Yeah, just like life there a lot of what ifs. I do agree about Megan and Cameron. If BB had played a straight game who knows how it would have ended up like.

[Michichick]

34 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

She might not. That's what Christmas ASSUMES, but Josh getting Paul out will guarantee some votes. Cody with vote for Josh if he gets out Paul. Mark likes Josh a lot more than Christmas, for some reason. Elena will also respect Josh's game move. Jason will respect Josh's goodbye message. That means Josh only needs one more vote, and I believe Josh could win over Christmas. 

I desperately want a Josh/Christmas final two. This whole season will be redeemed for me if Paul gets cut, even if Christmas ends up winning. But I agree with you that Josh would have a good shot against Christmas.

[Callaphera]

10 minutes ago, lids said:

To shift the game, I think two things needed to happen:

1)The fans needed to dole out those temptations differently. I've said this before, but giving the temptation to Paul was pure stupidity on the part of the public. I know people feel it was an unavoidable foregone outcome once production brought Paul back, but I don't know if that's true. Now that TPTB are requiring All Access membership to vote, maybe things will be different in the future. I also think the fans giving the temptation to Hug a Tree Day was dumb. Sure we didn't know anybody, but give the temptations to outsiders, people who always get crapped on in the game. This is how you shift distributions of power. In the case of this season, all the outlier players probably would have just gifted their temptations to Paul, but I think in general, giving power to the powerless is a better way to go.

But then the broadcast only viewers (who are the larger part of the audience) and the feed viewers would need to agree and vote the same way, which is never going to happen. Also consider the divide of the online fans between reddit, Jokers, Twitter, etc. They rarely, if ever, agree on anything. Also, we don't know if an All Access account is needed to vote. Again, it seems like this was a holdover from BB:OTT and because Jessica tweeted that you need an All Access account, everyone seems to take it as gospel. Just because she was a HG doesn't mean she knows everything about the show. I'll happily take my lumps if it turns out that they did restrict to to All Access accounts only but I really don't think they would isolate a much larger part of their audience simply for the feed viewers. Also, production doesn't seem to really care about the feed viewers this year so I doubt they would just hand this over to us. 

 

13 minutes ago, lids said:

2)The second major change that would have needed to happen is that Cody would have needed to not win first HOH. That was a rookie mistake, and when he plays again I don't think he'd do that. Had he not won, Alex would have won, Megan would have never quit and Paul would have targeted Alex. All those bad twists production unleashed would have fallen on Alex and Cody could have rallied a team more discreetly. Well, as discreet as bulldog Cody could be.

That's... a bit of a stretch. We don't know that Megan wouldn't have DOR'd. We don't know that Paul would have targeted Alex. 

[Wings]

40 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

She might not. That's what Christmas ASSUMES, but Josh getting Paul out will guarantee some votes. Cody with vote for Josh if he gets out Paul. Mark likes Josh a lot more than Christmas, for some reason. Elena will also respect Josh's game move. Jason will respect Josh's goodbye message. That means Josh only needs one more vote, and I believe Josh could win over Christmas. 

I agree and rooting for Josh to take her for this reason.  I think Josh would win by a safe margin.   I only see Paul and Kevin voting for Presidents Day.   

[KootieTaw]

Matt to Cody: "So you're just going to not participate in the game?"

UHHHHHHH, you mean like YOU didn't "participate" by not following any rules, doing whatever the hell you wanted, and caring more about cereal & boning than anything else. 

 

[RandomWatcher]

What do you think is more likely to happen on finale night:

Josh evicts Paul

Julie chews everyone out for the way they played

Jessica sees Cody and unable to control herself, gives him some serious PDA right there in front of the cameras.

[NeverLate]

16 hours ago, shelley1234 said:

Clearly.   He's made a catch phrase out of bullying.   

I don't get how, when the biggest bullies are still in the house, and bullied as a gang. I hate who is left.

[Wings]

1 minute ago, Hello Lady said:

I don't get how, when the biggest bullies are still in the house, and bullied as a gang. I hate who is left.

Paul did very little bullying himself, he sent the minions and he had very willing servants.  

[NeverLate]

Just now, wings707 said:

Paul did very little bullying himself, he sent the minions and he had very willing servants.  

 

Just now, wings707 said:

Paul did very little bullying himself, he sent the minions and he had very willing servants.  

He sat there and let his bullies do the dirty work, I saw the glee on his dirty face. I think its worse to incite and watch, its like taking a video of someone being hurt, rather than help them.

[Lady Calypso]

5 minutes ago, RandomWatcher said:

What do you think is more likely to happen on finale night:

Josh evicts Paul

Julie chews everyone out for the way they played

Jessica sees Cody and unable to control herself, gives him some serious PDA right there in front of the cameras.

Probably Julie chewing everyone out. I can't explain how much I need the first one to happen...but look at our luck this season so far. Nothing tells me that things will go the way I want it to on finale night. So, I'm fully expecting Paul to win final HOH, taking Josh, and winning by a landslide. 

I also think that Jessica will restrain herself...and at least wait until the backyard interviews. 

[CrazyDog]

59 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Oh, and about Matt, I really hate that guy. He is completely brain dead. Just like there are literally no thoughts in his head. At all. It's alarming.

Yes, he was supposed to be my eye candy this season, but yikes. He kind of just sucked at everything. But he'll forever be associated with Raven, so he may have suffered enough already. What a waste of a player.

Paul won the first HOH? I. AM. SHOCKED. Expect the unexpected, y'all.

This is the first season I'm happy for the crapshoot 3rd HOH comp. It's a long shot, but I'm still hoping Josh might get to cut Paul.

Edited September 15, 2017 by CrazyDog

[Wings]

Just now, Hello Lady said:

 

He sat there and let his bullies do the dirty work, I saw the glee on his dirty face. I think its worse to incite and watch, its like taking a video of someone being hurt, rather than help them.

Yes, it is far more sinister. 

[lids]

16 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

But then the broadcast only viewers (who are the larger part of the audience) and the feed viewers would need to agree and vote the same way, which is never going to happen. Also consider the divide of the online fans between reddit, Jokers, Twitter, etc. They rarely, if ever, agree on anything. Also, we don't know if an All Access account is needed to vote. Again, it seems like this was a holdover from BB:OTT and because Jessica tweeted that you need an All Access account, everyone seems to take it as gospel. Just because she was a HG doesn't mean she knows everything about the show. I'll happily take my lumps if it turns out that they did restrict to to All Access accounts only but I really don't think they would isolate a much larger part of their audience simply for the feed viewers. Also, production doesn't seem to really care about the feed viewers this year so I doubt they would just hand this over to us. 

Somebody in the previous pages posted a response they got from the network reiterating that they are taking All Access votes. Whether the message was real or not, who knows. I'm just saying if tptb chose to do it that way, future temptation votes would hopefully be different. And even if they're not, I'm not going to totally blame production if the voters keep voting stupidly. I give them some blame, but in a way the public just gets the game result they deserve if they keep giving gifts to and advantages to returnees and already strong players.

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That's... a bit of a stretch. We don't know that Megan wouldn't have DOR'd. We don't know that Paul would have targeted Alex. 

We don't know anything so I'm just speculating. Megan was in an alliance with Alex so Alex winning could have made her more hopeful. The whole panda fiasco happened, so the alliance might have weakened but not died. Megan was pretty sure she was leaving/being voted out (and she was) by the time she DOR'd. She wouldn't have been vulnerable to a vote out and may have given it another week. That week started the bully pile-on of the nominees trend that lasted throughout the season. She may not have been yelled at if the guys thought she had some influence on who was going on the block. The whole dynamic changes with a different HOH, especially in the beginning of the game.

[Slider]

1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:

I'm shocked at the negative reaction to Cody walking away from Matt's obvious attempt to start shit.

Same.  He was being the bigger person, and Matt was being an asshole.

[Wings]

1 minute ago, Slider said:

Same.  He was being the bigger person, and Matt was being an asshole.

i missed this!  I will have to watch again.   

[Lady Calypso]

1 minute ago, wings707 said:

i missed this!  I will have to watch again.   

Yeah, Matt was kind of trying to start shit. Mark did turn to Cody to ask him to chime in and Cody replied with how he was staying out of it. As soon as Matt tried to bring up the whole "But we're playing a game, bro" or whatever, Cody decided to walk away, which left Matt complaining about how Cody was just not going to play the game. I think Cody didn't want to talk to someone who wasn't playing the game. Matt was being hypocritical, and Cody wasn't being a jerk. I mean, I guess he was, but it's a different type of jerk than Paul's jerk or Alex's jerk behaviour. I'd rather have someone walk away and ignore me than get into my face, yell at me, and bully me.

[KootieTaw]

Question, and I'm a bit behind so I'm sorry if I missed this ... Did they resolve the issue for voting? Or do votes ONLY count if you're a paid subscriber?

I'm looking at the "Vote Now" promo during the show last night, and it says "For FREE online voting, go to cbs.com...." 

How can they say it's free if only paying subscribers get their votes counted?!

[Wings]

2 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Yeah, Matt was kind of trying to start shit. Mark did turn to Cody to ask him to chime in and Cody replied with how he was staying out of it. As soon as Matt tried to bring up the whole "But we're playing a game, bro" or whatever, Cody decided to walk away, which left Matt complaining about how Cody was just not going to play the game. I think Cody didn't want to talk to someone who wasn't playing the game. Matt was being hypocritical, and Cody wasn't being a jerk. I mean, I guess he was, but it's a different type of jerk than Paul's jerk or Alex's jerk behaviour. I'd rather have someone walk away and ignore me than get into my face, yell at me, and bully me.

I just watched again.  I remember that scene but on second look I get why Cody left.  Matt of all people talking to him about ANYTHING!  Jesus.  

[CrazyDog]

14 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Yeah, Matt was kind of trying to start shit. Mark did turn to Cody to ask him to chime in and Cody replied with how he was staying out of it. As soon as Matt tried to bring up the whole "But we're playing a game, bro" or whatever, Cody decided to walk away, which left Matt complaining about how Cody was just not going to play the game. I think Cody didn't want to talk to someone who wasn't playing the game. Matt was being hypocritical, and Cody wasn't being a jerk. I mean, I guess he was, but it's a different type of jerk than Paul's jerk or Alex's jerk behaviour. I'd rather have someone walk away and ignore me than get into my face, yell at me, and bully me.

Yes, Cody even said something like you/they are trying to start something and he left.

Cody is just over all these fools, and I don't blame him. Sounds like things were fine with him, Mark and Elena, and Mark cutely putting it as Cody enjoys his alone time. That would be me. I enjoy Cody's low key sense of humor. He's a totally flawed person, but he's doing what he's supposed to, he's in jury, he'll vote for the winner, etc. I don't blame him for walking away from more manufactured drama.

His disbelief of everyone continuing to play for Paul was hilarious. He didn't attack anyone last night.

I'd love him or Mark to win AFP, and I do think if Mark was in the game just a bit longer, he would have it by a long shot. It's probably between Cody, Jason and Kevin, and maybe Mark. 

Edited September 15, 2017 by CrazyDog

[backformore]

31 minutes ago, wings707 said:

Paul did very little bullying himself, he sent the minions and he had very willing servants.  

He bullied the bullies into bullying for him.

[Skycatcher]

I think, after that jury footage, what intrigues me about Cody Is that he has kind of a Mark Harmon (NCIS) thing going on and I do love me some Leroy Jethro Gibbs!

[SiobhanJW]

Guys- I really cannot stop watching the Jury Footage- I am living for Raven's complete and utter insistance that she was the "Puppetmaster" and the rest of them basically thinking she's a lunatic and has clearly lost her mind. They are obviously very over her & her crap. 

Jason- "Then Why are you Here" 

Mark-"Why weren't you the Puppetmaster" 

Elena and her hysterically laughing and "It's hilarious" when Raven insisted she had arranged everything. 

I can't. Such Joy. 

Edited September 15, 2017 by SiobhanJW

[Emilissima]

I'm hoping/predicting top 3 for AFP will be Cody/Kevin/Mark, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jason or Jess snuck in there.   Trying to not be disappointed with the final results, though.   Only a TV show.

I'm hoping Elena gets some love in the voting, too.  She did a great job in leading the conversation and asking questions in the jury segment last night; she would be a great choice to replace the iJeff if she can take time away from whatever radio gig she has.

[Wings]

22 minutes ago, CrazyDog said:

Yes, Cody even said something like you/they are trying to start something and he left.

Cody is just over all these fools, and I don't blame him. Sounds like things were fine with him, Mark and Elena, and Mark cutely putting it as Cody enjoys his alone time. That would be me. I enjoy Cody's low key sense of humor. He's a totally flawed person, but he's doing what he's supposed to, he's in jury, he'll vote for the winner, etc. I don't blame him for walking away from more manufactured drama.

His disbelief of everyone continuing to play for Paul was hilarious. He didn't attack anyone last night.

I'd love him or Mark to win AFP, and I do think if Mark was in the game just a bit longer, he would have it by a long shot. It's probably between Cody, Jason and Kevin, and maybe Mark. 

It looks like they will both be in top 3.  This footage brought him back into focus, if he did slide to the back of some minds. I don't think he did, though.  

Cody's face and neck stretching said it all with no words necessary.  This game was not for him.  He applied for Survivor.  He should have been patient and tried again for their next season. 

7 minutes ago, SiobhanJW said:

Guys- I really cannot stop watching the Jury Footage- I am living for Raven's complete and utter insistance that she was the "Puppetmaster" and the rest of them basically thinking she's a lunatic and has clearly lost her mind. They are obviously very over her & her crap. 

Jason- "Then Why are you Here" 

Mark-"Why weren't you the Puppetmaster" 

Elena and her hysterically laughing and "It's hilarious" when Raven insisted she had arranged everything. 

I can't. Such Joy. 

I have watched several time this morning and twice last night.  I agree with your high points! 

Edited September 15, 2017 by wings707

[Lady Calypso]

I think my favourite Jury House moment is when Jason was explaining to Alex that things would be fun in jury...if it wasn't for Miss Puppet Master and her Reverse Puppeteer. It really sounds like Matt and Raven got on some bad sides in the jury. Mark seemed too happy to see Jason (I think with Cody being more antisocial, Mark might not have had a guy friend to hang out with to balance out his time with Elena, which means him and Matt might not have bonded), and Jason seemed too eager to jump on both of them. Also, Cody could have sat on the edge of the couch like he's been doing when Alex walked through the door, but he seemed to sit as far away from Maven as possible. 

Followed by Cody's TH about him busting out of jury. I'm pretty sure he was half joking? It still made me laugh really hard. I mean, if I can laugh at Kevin's Thanksgiving joke about Christmas, I can laugh about Cody hating jury. 

[ProfCrash]

I loved the Jury footage, it is all that I watched last night. I laughed my ass off at Cody. He so doesn't give a shit. He is not being an asshole, he is not being a dick, he is over the show. He sees it for exactly what it is, a ridiculous show and he is over it. He could care less at this point. He called out the Production protection for Paul when he was first evicted. He gets what happened in the game. He is laughing at Matt and Raven for their ridiculous statements. He does not want to interact with the people he doesn't like. I suspect that he is unhappily chilling in his room waiting for the show to end and barely interacting with anyone. He does not like most of them and would rather be just about any where.

Cody applied for Survivor and ended up on Big Brother. I think he regrets ever playing this season but he is not going to get into stupid fights in the jury house and he is waiting to celebrate not having to see any of these folks again.

And I am laughing my ass off at his attitude and exactly how much he doesn't give a flying fuck about Production, Matt, Raven and the over all game.

[Wings]

7 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

It really sounds like Matt and Raven got on some bad sides in the jury.

They got on everyone's nerves while still in the house!  And that is for just being who they are!  Now, there is no reason to tolerate them in silence.  Everything they wanted to say in the house is pouring out.  I love it!  I want more!  

Edited September 15, 2017 by wings707

[Lady Calypso]

Just now, wings707 said:

They got on everyone's bad side while still in the house!  And that is for just being who they are!  Now, there is no reason to tolerate them in silence.  Everything they wanted to say in the house is pouring out.  I love it!  I want more!  

Tonight's the clip show, right? Can we get half clip show, and half jury footage? More stuff must have happened before they were sent off to sequester. Or, just give me clips of them in sequester. I'm cool with that. 

[NeverLate]

18 minutes ago, SiobhanJW said:

Guys- I really cannot stop watching the Jury Footage- I am living for Raven's complete and utter insistance that she was the "Puppetmaster" and the rest of them basically thinking she's a lunatic and has clearly lost her mind. They are obviously very over her & her crap. 

Jason- "Then Why are you Here" 

Mark-"Why weren't you the Puppetmaster" 

Elena and her hysterically laughing and "It's hilarious" when Raven insisted she had arranged everything. 

I can't. Such Joy. 

The scary thing? Raven votes for the winner, think about that a second.

[CertainJewel]

Damn Elena! Stop stroking Mark's gorgeous arms! I need a fan....:P

12 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

To watch and re-watch at your own pleasure:

 

 

[backformore]

1 hour ago, Hello Lady said:

 

He sat there and let his bullies do the dirty work, I saw the glee on his dirty face. I think its worse to incite and watch, its like taking a video of someone being hurt, rather than help them.

But the worst is that Paul would deny having anything to do with it, reaching out to the victims of bullying, hugging them, and empathizing with how unfairly they were treated, even casting blame.(Christmas went rogue!)

[Wings]

1 minute ago, Hello Lady said:

The scary thing? Raven votes for the winner, think about that a second.

She will vote for Paul, clearly, but if it is The 4th of July and Josh she will probably vote Josh.  Yule betrayed her.  In her mind I can see her thinking that she betrayed Paul, too because how could he ever want her out.  

[CrazyDog]

2 minutes ago, backformore said:

But the worst is that Paul would deny having anything to do with it, reaching out to the victims of bullying, hugging them, and empathizing with how unfairly they were treated, even casting blame.(Christmas went rogue!)

That was the most infuriating part. It's good gameplay, but only because these people were so stupid. Only this season were people so ready to *happily* do someone else's dirty work and take the blame for it.

So two vets potentially win back to back seasons. Sigh.

I still want to hug Mark. I hope he and Josh have their odd couple thing out of the house. Would Mark vote for Josh over Paul? 

I forgot about Elena's comment about Paul staying true to Paul and voting out his last alliance member. Lol, she grew on me. I would have loved to see her play on a Paul-free season.

[TVFan17]

If Josh is somehow able to rise to the occasion and be the one to slay the dragon, metaphorically speaking, booting out Paul and sitting next to Christmas in F2, Josh is winning the whole thing.  There is no doubt in my mind that Josh will win if he is somehow responsible for Paul being defeated.  I'm not even sure if Kevin would throw Christmas a pity vote at that point, as he might be so impressed that Josh made the "big move" that he should have made weeks ago.  Christmas really hasn't done much of anything noteworthy in the game other than get rid of Jason., and use her rolling pin technique to help men with the pain in their arms.

However, if Christmas, for some weird reason, decided that she wanted to boot out Paul (which doesn't seem likely) and sit next to Josh in F2, I think she has less of a chance of winning -- even if she, too, slays the dragon.  I still think that Josh has a good chance of winning instead of Christmas in that F2 scenario.

Honestly, I don't think anyone really connected with Christmas that much.  She likes to think that she connected with everyone and that she is so nurturing and loving, but I didn't see any real bonds forming between her and anyone other than Paul and Josh.   I know that she didn't really care for Kevin, and her goodbye message/video showed it -- she was detached and kind of lacking focus, like she couldn't really even think of anything nice to say to him and had to make up something weak on the spot.

And I still think Josh has a much better chance of winning against Paul than Christmas has of winning against Paul.  So if Christmas and Paul are in F2, she is taking second place.  But if Josh is sitting there next to Paul, Josh could possibly win.... which I think Paul will be OK with at the end of the day.  As I mentioned yesterday, it's not so much that I think that Paul is only focused on who he has the best chance of beating, but, rather, who he would not mind losing to IF he had to lose.