S08.E06: Archer Dreamland: Waxing Gibbous

[OnceSane]

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All roads lead to Len Trexler as Archer and the gang try to avoid unfriendly ghosts.

[Galileo908]

Trinette is actually far more competent in this universe. And Lana was an undercover agent. Leave it to the writers to do their homework to justify why she works for the IRS and not the FBI.

Cecil continues to be great, and Lana and Trinette were his perfect foils. It's always good to see people actually disgusted by what the Vandertunts are in to.

Damn, that ending was amazing. We all knew Dutch (and other Dutch) was gonna do something to Trexler, but not...THAT. Damn.

[Lantern7]

Man, Archer has a durable neck. How long did that goon hold him by the throat? And he drew a nice picture while choking. Well, better than the Cyril we are familiar with, anyway.

Nice bit of clusterfuck, drug-addled action leading to Dutch's take on The Last Supper. Cecil is still creepy as fuck, and possibly more insane than Charlotte. Lana isn't a total waste, and she should get points for not shooting or choking anybody. And Poovy's polygamy-based daydreams are always funny.

[bmoore4026]

Loved the bits with Lana and Trinette, along with the flashforward of all of Poovie's children graduating college.

Plus the ending was very freaky and ropes you in for the next episode.

Speaking of which, only two episodes left this season.  Wonder how it'll all end.

[Chaos Theory]

The Poovey bit continues to one of the better long term gags.  As wells as Cyril's wife leaving him and the Vandertunts Addsm's family creepiness.

 Did Dutch just murder everyone in like the last supper homage?  Because that's kinda...,,

Lana and Trinette made a fun pair.  

[TVSpectator]

I totally loved that scene between Trinette and Lana and yeah, they both sounded like Archer during that conversation but it was still great to hear. 

Also, I rally enjoyed seeing the flashforward/vision of Poovey's future children graduating and yeah, this Poovey is a dude. 

Also, the ending where Dutch had all of Trexler's men and Trexler in a Last Supper posed was by far creepy to see but I am also liking how the show brought all of the main cast together. 

[benteen]

Not as good as recent weeks but still funny.  Some of the jokes went on too long.  Lana as a Treasury agent was great.

[ganesh]

Lana at the IRS makes perfect sense. I'm glad she wasn't just the singer at the club. I didn't think she would be. 

I guess Pam is a man because the graduation scene had her with a mustache. 

[Morrigan2575]

I really liked this week's episode. The pairing to Lana and Trinette was perfect, they played off each other really well.

The Vandertunt's are so weird.

Loved the flash forward to Poovy's kids graduation.

I really loved how the ending played out, everyone meeting up in Len Trexler's creepy mansion.

[Snookums]

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And Poovy's polygamy-based daydreams are always funny.

"He overcame his dyslexia!"

Pam and Trinette are a delight. 

[Doyounot]

Trinette was hilarious! Her and lana played off of each other so well! I just knew there was gonna be some mention of a potato around her but the potato compartment was pretty jokes and when she asked the taboo guy all his guesses were potato related hahaha I also thought it was nice how smart she was in archers mind! Also not affected by the blood even though everyone else was freaking about it and they were all wearing shoes!

[TresGatos]

"And it will be a musical!"

That line made me want to have all of Eugene Mirman's merkin wearin' incest babies.

[Joimiaroxeu]

This show is so educational. I now know who Pantagruel was.

I really like the idea of Lana being a T-man (T-woman?). Now her being a relatively poor singer and standup comic makes sense.

Edited May 13, 2017 by Joimiaroxeu

[cyberfruit]

Last night, my only response to seeing Trexler in that profoundly fucked up recreation of the Last Supper was: "...God damn."

Like we all knew that Barry/Dutch was off, but holy shit. The writers took him to a new level.

I'm enjoying Trinette this time around and enjoyed the Seamus egg tossed in when the group met up at Trexler's mansion. Echoing other posters who commented that Trinette and Lana play off each other really well. 

Props to the writers for continuing the Poovey fantasy with the Chinese women. I hope Cyril never finds out about the ladies. 

Edited May 13, 2017 by cyberfruit

[TVSpectator]

16 hours ago, cyberfruit said:

Last night, my only response to seeing Trexler in that profoundly fucked up recreation of the Last Supper was: "...God damn."

Like we all knew that Barry/Dutch was off, but holy shit. The writers took him to a new level.

I'm enjoying Trinette this time around and enjoyed the Seamus egg tossed in when the group met up at Trexler's mansion. Echoing other posters who commented that Trinette and Lana play off each other really well. 

Props to the writers for continuing the Poovey fantasy with the Chinese women. I hope Cyril never finds out about the ladies. 

 

I could swear that the Last Supper scene was some kind of reference to another horror/slasher movie and/or TV show. 

Yeah, I am really liking Trinette and the potato joke was funny as well. As with the Seamus egg tossed joke, I thought that Trinette just called, Cyril "Seamus" or something?

And finally, I am also liking the Poovey fantasy with the Chinese escaped sex slaves. That is something I want to continue with. 

[Chaos Theory]

16 minutes ago, TVSpectator said:

Yeah, I am really liking Trinette and the potato joke was funny as well. As with the Seamus egg tossed joke, I thought that Trinette just called, Cyril "Seamus" or something?

I thought she called him "Shamus" which is old world slang for cop.  

[TVSpectator]

20 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

I thought she called him "Shamus" which is old world slang for cop.  

Maybe since you are right that it also means a PI (not a police officer) but I also like to think that it was a shoutout to the Wee Baby Seamus (and honestly, I am not 100% sure which spelling variation it is supposed to be- "Shamus" or "Seamus"?).

[lavenderrose]

I have to say Dreamland is much better than Vice.

- I like that Pam is still harboring the Chinese women and caring about them by thinking of them attending Stanford college.

- Hate Cyril in both universes so hopefully he has a quick death.

- The Lana and Trinette scenes were gold. Loved that Lana is an IRS agent and has a purpose other than being in Archer's fantasies.

- Archer is terrible at sex even in Dreamland so that's continuity I guess.

- Did not find the 'Lana is a Transvestite' jokes funny.

- I like Dreamland Archer better than actual Archer. I liked that the writers instilled some moral reasoning into him this season.

- Barry killing all of Drexler's associates setting them up like the last supper was disturbing but funny too.

- We still don't have an inkling of who killed Woodhouse so hopefully the last 2 episodes can delve into it.

[TVSpectator]

1 hour ago, lavenderrose said:

I have to say Dreamland is much better than Vice.

- I like that Pam is still harboring the Chinese women and caring about them by thinking of them attending Stanford college.

- Hate Cyril in both universes so hopefully he has a quick death.

- The Lana and Trinette scenes were gold. Loved that Lana is an IRS agent and has a purpose other than being in Archer's fantasies.

- Archer is terrible at sex even in Dreamland so that's continuity I guess.

- Did not find the 'Lana is a Transvestite' jokes funny.

- I like Dreamland Archer better than actual Archer. I liked that the writers instilled some moral reasoning into him this season.

- Barry killing all of Drexler's associates setting them up like the last supper was disturbing but funny too.

- We still don't have an inkling of who killed Woodhouse so hopefully the last 2 episodes can delve into it.

 

- True it is. I also liked it much better than Season 6 where they were working for the CIA. 

- I really do like the whole Pam is now called Poovey and is a guy in Archer's mind/dream. This makes so much sense to me and I also love how they are presenting him as someone who is picturing himself 20+ years into the future not only with the Chinese women but with their future children. Only this show can do it and make it so great to watch. 

-  Cyril to Archer is a dick. So in Archer's mind, Cyril is a dick. 

- Loved that scene with Trinette and Lana. And I really did like that they made her into IRS agent because does make her something else and gives her character purpose. 

-I always thought that he was supposed to be really good at sex? Maybe he is really bad but people keep on falling for him because he is so handsome.

-I thought that the Transvestite joke was a mix between Trinette being a prostitute and also a continuation about Lana having really big manly hands. 

- To me, both seems to be the same type of person but Dreamland Archer does have PTSD for being a war hero but that is all I can say about both. 

- That ending was creepy and yeah, it was pulled off really well. 

- It was clearly his crack addiction that killed off Woodhouse, RIP.

[ganesh]

31 minutes ago, TVSpectator said:

I really do like the whole Pam is now called Poovey and is a guy in Archer's mind/dream.

I'd like to know what this means that Pam and Archer had sex a bunch of times though. 

[Enigma X]

I interpret Pam/Poovey being a guy in Archer's subconscious as him seeing Pam as "one of the guys" as in pals. I think that he relates more to Pam than Cyril, Kreiger, and Ray.

And does it seem as if Ray is the most underused regular this season?

Edited May 14, 2017 by Enigma X

[TVSpectator]

48 minutes ago, Enigma X said:

I interpret Pam/Poovey being a guy in Archer's subconscious as him seeing Pam as "one of the guys" as in pals. I think of that he relates more to Pam than Cyril, Kreiger, and Ray.

And does it seem as if Ray is the most underused regular this season?

 

Ray has only been in a few episodes and honestly, most of them were just hearing his voice off screen saying, "stop doing that..." to the rim shot joke. 

[cyberfruit]

4 hours ago, Enigma X said:

I interpret Pam/Poovey being a guy in Archer's subconscious as him seeing Pam as "one of the guys" as in pals. I think that he relates more to Pam than Cyril, Kreiger, and Ray.

And does it seem as if Ray is the most underused regular this season?

Yeah, he's been sidelined this season. I've definitely felt like Ray's character has kind of fallen off since Pam and Cheryl, especially Cheryl, have moved up in popularity over the seasons. In this universe, Trinette is occupying what is normally Ray's space as he works well with Lana (who also took a while to be established, which is interesting).

I really wish the season could have gone back to the 13 episode arc. The Figgis Agency certainly could have used the extra episodes to tie up its many loose ends and Dreamland, while I think it really good -- and much better than TFA --, could have also used the time to flesh out the characters' individual motives. 

Edited May 15, 2017 by cyberfruit

[Morrigan2575]

5 hours ago, Enigma X said:

And does it seem as if Ray is the most underused regular this season?

Yeah and it's been disappointing because I like Ray.

[TVSpectator]

1 hour ago, cyberfruit said:

I really wish the season could have gone back to the 13 episode arc. The Figgis Agency certainly could have used the extra episodes to tie up its many loose ends and Dreamland, while I think it really good -- and much better than TFA --, could have also used the time to flesh out the characters' individual motives. 

 

Oh, yeah I really missed the 13 episode count days. They were fun and I love seeing the story being told and it had more room to do one or two stand-alone episodes as well. I wonder why they don't do them anymore? Is it because of the ratings- if so, I thought that it's guaranteed that Archer is going for 10 seasons and then be done or was that just a rumor?

[benteen]

I'm okay with their being only 8 episodes as Archer could have some real hit-and-miss episodes with 13.

I miss Ray too.  He was great in the third episode with the band.

[ganesh]

There's got to be a twist coming with Ray though. 

[Independent George]

Whoah, I missed that there  were only 8 episodes this season. I think it works, though - even at its peak in S2-S3, there were always what felt like 'filler' episodes; by the time we got to 'Vice', it just dragged on too long. This season has been very tightly scripted, and just flows beautifully; doing less (and doing it better) has worked out really well for them.

[TVSpectator]

9 hours ago, ganesh said:

There's got to be a twist coming with Ray though. 

It would be great if Ray was the one that saves everyone, with Mother and the rest of his bandmates beside him. 

[PinkRibbons]

My theory is that Ray has been sidelined simply because Adam Reed wanted to concentrate more on the production side of things. I've always had the feeling that Ray wasn't originally supposed to be a main character, just a fun side player for the creator to cameo in now and then. But then he became a fan favorite to the point that I found myself forgetting and wondering why he isn't in the opening credits. I can't begrudge Reed for wanting to work on other parts of the show though.

[Morrigan2575]

9 hours ago, PinkRibbons said:

 I found myself forgetting and wondering why he isn't in the opening credits. I can't begrudge Reed for wanting to work on other parts of the show though.

Wow, I never realized he wasn't in the opening credits. How did I not know that? LOL

[TVSpectator]

11 hours ago, PinkRibbons said:

My theory is that Ray has been sidelined simply because Adam Reed wanted to concentrate more on the production side of things. I've always had the feeling that Ray wasn't originally supposed to be a main character, just a fun side player for the creator to cameo in now and then. But then he became a fan favorite to the point that I found myself forgetting and wondering why he isn't in the opening credits. I can't begrudge Reed for wanting to work on other parts of the show though.

 

I didn' know that Adam Reed voiced Ray. 

[HunterHunted]

On 5/10/2017 at 9:55 PM, TVSpectator said:

Also, the ending where Dutch had all of Trexler's men and Trexler in a Last Supper posed was by far creepy to see

That was a take on King Ferdinand I of Naples who killed his enemies and posed them to depict the Last Supper in his trophy room.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_I_of_Naples?wprov=sfla1