S07.E19: Reunion Part 1

[thefog]

6 hours ago, howivesforever said:

I just don't see the point in trying to make him this monster and we don't know the facts. As far as I know celebrities and ordinary people file bankruptcy everyday. Not sure what that would have to do with him having a mistress or not or even who it was. As far as we know him and his wife could have had an open marriage or she cheated on him and then he didn't care anymore. It's really all speculation because again we don't know the facts. 

Because there seems to be a thick cloud of mystery surrounding this couple.  They sweep on to the show flaunting this rich, lavish lifestyle - yet reveal almost nothing of their background.  That's why the first question Andy ask PK was:  What he did for a living?   It's telling that for someone who claims to be as successful PK, he has time to come on a silly cable TV reality soap opera - and gossip and meddle into their lives.

[oceanview]

On ‎4‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 2:08 PM, Vicky8675309 said:

I found some of this elsewhere but thought it was relevant given the Erika vs Dorit segment of the reunion which didn't address any of the shit Erika pulled.

Does anyone on this show realize how rude it was for Erika to show up in a t-shirt dress to Dorit's birthday party? It doesn't matter that it was a 2,000 $ designer dress. Does anybody see that as a middle finger? It's also bullshit that erika's excuse was "I'm going to be me" but then she uses the excuse of "oh that me is a persona don't go there" when she doesn't want to "own it". "I'm gonna be me"~Like what does that even mean in this context? Who on earth says wearing a giant t-shirt dress is being themselves? Everybody knows that you're supposed to conform to a degree at social events. Dorit gave her a negative sanction for intentionally breaking a rule, and Dorit's the asshole? Sheesh.

I thought I heard Erika say (about wearing the t shirt dress) that she had been sick with the flu or something for a couple of days and that was the best she could do at the moment or something.    I remember thinking I would have just stayed home because I felt lousy and/or did not want to inflict my germs on anyone.   Does anyone else remember or was I dreaming?

[notnowimbusy]

When Erika perceived the woman at her dinner party last year were being disrespectful to HER husband, she was really pissed.  I remember her saying "He just doesn't go for that kind of S%^@" (to Kyle the next day).  So, not only is she better than the other women, her husband is also better and deserves respect.  I get it now.     She can go after PK like he actually stole her damn underwear, call him names and be disrespectful???   Maybe it would have been nice this season if Mr. Girardi actually was gracious enough to show up to an event - like the finale party to actually see how he would interact with his wife.   Instead we get to see daily interaction w/her glam squad - a group who would never dare disagree with her.  

[dosodog]

Something occurred to me.  During the reunion, LVP tried to make the point that Ericka could be confusing and tried to bring up Ericka's use of the c word and c word neckkace.  Ericka interrupted her and told her there was no confusion, separate stage persona from real life.

Except. .... 

I remember the c word conversation.  She wasn't on stage, she was on the bus before or after her performance.  Interacting with the other housewives in what appeared not to be a performance, but just Ericka hanging with the ladies. 

So it was Ericka Giardi and not Ericka Jayne who was stating her love and use for the c word.  Then you had Kathryn asking her not to use the c word and Ericka telling her to deal with it.  She would use the word however and whenever she felt.

Ericka's narrative is, confusing.

I freely admit I'm paraphrasing.   Some details could be wrong.

Sometimes I feel like the Glam Squad got just as much if not more airtime than PK.

Edited April 14, 2017 by dosodog

[notnowimbusy]

1 minute ago, dosodog said:

Something occurred to me.  During the reunion, LVP tried to make the point that Ericka could be confusing and tried to bring up Ericka's use of the c word and c word neckkace.  Ericka interrupted her and told her there was no confusion, separate stage persona from real life.

Except. .... 

I remember the c word conversation.  She wasn't on stage, she was on the bus before or after her performance.  Interacting with the other housewives in what appeared not to be a performance, but just Ericka hanging with the ladies. 

So it was Ericka Giardi and not Ericka Jayne who was stating her love and use for the c word.  Then you had Kathryn asking her not to use the c word and Ericka telling her to deal with it.  She would use the word however and whenever she felt.

Ericka's narrative is, confusing.

I freely admit I'm paraphrasing.   Some details could be wrong.

It was at Kyle's party in Malibu - Erica was sitting there, I forgot who came up, but it was a group, and she looked over sideways to explain that "I'm C*&^y".      Maybe she thinks she can get away with it because everything is an act, she's always in costume, and there is nothing genuine about her.

[biakbiak]

26 minutes ago, notnowimbusy said:

It was at Kyle's party in Malibu - Erica was sitting there, I forgot who came up, but it was a group, and she looked over sideways to explain that "I'm C*&^y".    

It also happened on her bus in San Diego when she told Kathryn that she couldn't find the term objectionable and while they were their for the performance she wasn't talking about it as if she only used it in her performances.

[Natalie68]

58 minutes ago, oceanview said:

I thought I heard Erika say (about wearing the t shirt dress) that she had been sick with the flu or something for a couple of days and that was the best she could do at the moment or something.    I remember thinking I would have just stayed home because I felt lousy and/or did not want to inflict my germs on anyone.   Does anyone else remember or was I dreaming?

You aren't dreaming.  It happened.  I can see how that dress would have felt better on an angry midsection but I too would have stayed home.

[Anne Thrax]

On 4/12/2017 at 6:32 AM, Giselle said:

Erica looked like a glistening weisswurst. She blended well with the other pillows on the couch.

It wasn't the best looking reunion all round.

"Glistening weisswurst" LOL!  Indeed.

[lezlers]

10 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

I don't understand your comment in relation to mine. I'm talking about what I would do if that story came out about me. 

The implication being that if it weren't true Ericka would react the same way you would.  Because she didn't, then it must be true.  Same general concept of guilty until proven innocent. Not that it matters.  If you don't like a cast member you're inclined to believe the negative things you hear vs. if you like them.  It's human nature. 

[HunterHunted]

23 hours ago, howivesforever said:

I just feel like  it's seriously reaching with anything Dorit. She laughed at his continued NO answer about not liking her hair not at Jagger. 

 

Hell I laughed too that hair was a mess and I certainly wasn't laughing as in making fun of the child.

Seriously. The entire premise of Kids Say the Darndest Things and The Emperor's New Clothes is based on the idea of children not understanding pretense or artifice can be really candid about things. Everyone else in that room was so invested in the gold leaf idea that they were never going say it looked crappy.

Jagger saw it and didn't like it. Dorit checked to see if he was grumpy because he wanted juice. Jagger just didn't like it. She's not laughing at him. She's laughing because he just thinks she looks stupid and isn't budging. It's the same way if Dorit asked her father, he'd respond that he thought it was dumb. She'd reply that it was a fashion thing and her dad would still say it's dumb.

It was and is funny because out of the mouth of babes...

Edited April 14, 2017 by HunterHunted

[zoeysmom]

9 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

You aren't dreaming.  It happened.  I can see how that dress would have felt better on an angry midsection but I too would have stayed home.

As common as amnesia this season has been the flu or diarrhea.  I thought it unfortunate for Eileen to proclaim she was sick from the moment she deplaned and then called it Montezuma's revenge.  Can really see why she decided to blame Mexico for some malady she has upon landing.  The left couch has used that excuse on a couple of occasions.

[renatae]

On 4/11/2017 at 11:32 PM, Sarcastica said:

That youtube video of Dorito talking without an accent had me rolling. Never knew that tape existed. 

I never could quite pin down what the "accent" was, but I've finally decided they should have cast her as Bette Davis in the "Feud: Bette and Joan" TV miniseries. Especially since Susan Sarandon isn't even trying.

[Lady of nod]

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I was pretty hard on PK this season.  I have to say I think I may have been too hard on him.  I like the way he stood up for his wife at the reunion without being a caveman about it and I thought Erika was unnecessarily rude and dismissive.  I am not sure Erika has been the beneficiary of such loyalty in her husband

Maybe that's part of Erika's problem with Dorit and PK. We seldom if ever see him accompanying her anywhere. And when we do see them together, something is off. It probably irks her that PK is so supportive of Dorit. I'm glad you've rethought your opinion of him. That's something some of these HW are incapable of doing. They just pick a side and never try to understand or rethink their position. There was nothing I saw of PK that I felt was a big turn off. The original pantygate discussion in the kitchen was a little weird, but seeing him with, for example LVP and Ken he seems like an intelligent pretty nice guy. I just hate it when people attack over age, weight, physical appearance. It's childish. If you disagree with what someone does, fine, call them out. But age weight looks shaming is not ok.

[Natalie68]

Just now, Lady of nod said:

Maybe that's part of Erika's problem with Dorit and PK. We seldom if ever see him accompanying her anywhere. And when we do see them together, something is off. It probably irks her that PK is so supportive of Dorit. I'm glad you've rethought your opinion of him. That's something some of these HW are incapable of doing. They just pick a side and never try to understand or rethink their position. There was nothing I saw of PK that I felt was a big turn off. The original pantygate discussion in the kitchen was a little weird, but seeing him with, for example LVP and Ken he seems like an intelligent pretty nice guy. I just hate it when people attack over age, weight, physical appearance. It's childish. If you disagree with what someone does, fine, call them out. But age weight looks shaming is not ok.

Thank you!  I also felt I was being a bit hypocritical calling him a potato when I REALLY hate it when women are subjected to stupid superficial judgments.  He isn't my type but Dorit seems to adore him.  That is all that matters.  So I had to call myself out for being bitchy about his looks.  I didn't like that about myself.

[lololol]

5 hours ago, DebbieM4 said:

One of the rudest moments I've ever seen on this show was during the PK/Erika conversation on the finale when Eileen inserted herself into the conversation, directly addressed PK, and then dismissed him rudely when he tried to speak with, "Don't care!  Don't care!  Don't care!"   She should have kept her mouth shut to begin with, or at least listened to what he had to say.  I thought it was incredibly childish.  She knows better and she should do better, but she's desperate to be relevant.   She is very much not the shining light of decency that she proclaims herself to be.  She's severely lacking in self-awareness, and her TH's make my head spin.

And yes, Erika is consistently rude.  Her superior attitude is grating enough, but she loves to top it off by rudely cutting people off and saying dismissive and obnoxious things when they're simply trying to speak.  Her opinion and feelings are all that matter to her, and her words are the only ones she wants anyone to hear.  Totally self-absorbed to the point that she doesn't even bother pretending to give two shits about anyone else.

She's a TOTAL loser. Low class and so is her d bag fat, old, ugly husband.

5 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

When people do not have a 1) point to make, 2) haven't got a good counterpoint, 3) get caught heaving horseshit about, 4) cannot 'win' the discussion or 5) are just plain chucklefucks?

They resort to 1) interrupting, 2) dismissing the other person in the convo, 3) yelling louder or 4) throwing in an Eff You, STFU, YOU are a LIAR.

That is the way assholes in the street argue - they go 'nuclear' - they lay waste to their opponent and everything in the area.

Eileen and ericas can dish it out, but heaven forbid anyone treat them the way that they treat others in a one-sided conversation. They'd run home to daddy and whine about being 'disrespected' by a man who THEY went after.

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One thing I find VERY entertaining is a woman getting into it with a man, then expecting her 'womanhood' to keep a guy from going after her in return.

 Fuck that.

PK was pretty civil when he called ericas 'inherently cold' - EJ probably was more insulted because she didn't know what the word 'inherently' meant - I wouldn't have been so kind, especially if some immature asshole started in on me and kept cutting me off.

Of course, ErICKa didn't know the meaning of "inherently cold." She is a dumb, immature asshole.

[notnowimbusy]

29 minutes ago, lololol said:

She's a TOTAL loser. Low class and so is her d bag fat, old, ugly husband.

Of course, ErICKa didn't know the meaning of "inherently cold." She is a dumb, immature asshole.

YES!  I think the reason she keeps so cool, and aloof, is because she's not that smart - oh maybe street smart - but not intellectual.  First season she talked about always learning things from Tom - which said to me "Be quiet Erika, you don't know what you're talking about".   I have noticed she's swearing a lot more than last season.  We are hearing her call the other women "Ho's", Bitches, "Cu$%y, drop the F bomb, etc.   So, apparently who she is is Erika Jayne - and the real act is Mrs. Girardi - the act she gets paid the most for and has the best benefits.

[Noire]

I think way too much is being made about the accent thing honestly.  People try to match their words to their environment to be understood or to take  on the inflection of where they are.  I don't believe it is to be posh.  I am trilingual and I overtly try to pronounce Brazillian portuguese like a Brazilian when I'm there and continental Portuguese like I'm from Portugal, not with my southern accent because it changes the inflection and meaning of the words.  Doris is multi-lingual and around a Brit and would therefore begin to pick up his inflection, just as I'm sure PK's friends thing he's lost a bit of his cockney accent.  My Australian friend's kids used to have adorable Crocodile Dundee accents but sound more and more American each day.  It happens.  

[WireWrap]

3 hours ago, dosodog said:

Something occurred to me.  During the reunion, LVP tried to make the point that Ericka could be confusing and tried to bring up Ericka's use of the c word and c word neckkace.  Ericka interrupted her and told her there was no confusion, separate stage persona from real life.

Except. .... 

I remember the c word conversation.  She wasn't on stage, she was on the bus before or after her performance.  Interacting with the other housewives in what appeared not to be a performance, but just Ericka hanging with the ladies. 

So it was Ericka Giardi and not Ericka Jayne who was stating her love and use for the c word.  Then you had Kathryn asking her not to use the c word and Ericka telling her to deal with it.  She would use the word however and whenever she felt.

Ericka's narrative is, confusing.

I freely admit I'm paraphrasing.   Some details could be wrong.

Sometimes I feel like the Glam Squad got just as much if not more airtime than PK.

I believe Tom has only been on twice this season and both times were rather short scenes. There was Erika's BD party and then the quick lunch with Erika but nothing else, so, we have seen the Glam squad a lot more.

[Noire]

On April 12, 2017 at 2:10 PM, escape said:

If the hate is strong, it's because PK put himself in that position by continually gossiping and meddling in the women's lives.  Even he said he was wrong to do that.  It was obvious BRAVO had him at the Reunion for a reason - to face his truth - that's why he was so nervous.

Regardless of what issues Rinna's had, the only HW to ever speak negatively about Harry Hamlin - was Kim - who later admitted she lied.

PK wasn't any more involved than Mauricio or Ken imo.  MMV but I think he was sticking up for his wife as both of those husbands have, right or wrong.  Mauricio has checked Kyle on 1 or 2 occasions when she behaved badly but he clearly loves her and Ken would cut anyone who says about word about Lisa.  

[dosodog]

Ken?  Ken will call you a little f**ker and promise to knock the spark out of you.

All the while holding 2 fuzzy little dogs, in the crook of his arm.

He's a badass.

[AndySmith]

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I've finally decided they should have cast her as Bette Davis in the "Feud: Bette and Joan" TV miniseries

That accent might work better for impersonating Olivia De Havilland...

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 It probably irks her that PK is so supportive of Dorit

Given that she isn't irked by any of the other relationships the HWs have from their supportive husbands, I don't thinks she really gives a shit about that...

[ElDosEquis]

16 hours ago, princelina said:

You forgot 5) telling the other person to "quit yelling/don't raise your voice" whether they are or not :)

Thanks!

[zoeysmom]

Camille sees a lot of her Season 1 self in Dorit:    http://www.allabouttrh.com/2017/04/13/camille-grammer-sees-lot-season-1-self-dorit-kemsley/

[CaughtOnTape]

Erike, Eileen and Rinna are hypocritical, faux feminist, bitches and the quicker they get off my show the better.  PK apologized to Erika for taking it too far and she STILL will not let it go.  I don't care anymore about the fact her feelings were hurt because despite her assurances she just wanted an apology, it's become clear she wants an apology, blood and a sacrifice to the Gods for the fact that she was hurt.  People hurt other people, Erika.  Shit happens.  You got your apology.  Shutup about it.

Eileen is one of those people who thinks because she's soooooooooooo much smarter and more refined than everyone else she can interrupt a conversation with a pearl of wisdom and everyone is supposed to go "ooooooooooooh, well thank you Eileen!  Us commoners would NEVER have gotten that without you!"  When in reality her pearls of wisdom are manipulative and self-serving.  

She has quickly become my most hated Housewife.  Above any of them.  I would take her down if I ever got the chance.  She is a snobby, self-important, arrogant bitch.

[Jel]

7 minutes ago, CaughtOnTape said:

Erike, Eileen and Rinna are hypocritical, faux feminist, bitches and the quicker they get off my show the better.  PK apologized to Erika for taking it too far and she STILL will not let it go.  I don't care anymore about the fact her feelings were hurt because despite her assurances she just wanted an apology, it's become clear she wants an apology, blood and a sacrifice to the Gods for the fact that she was hurt.  People hurt other people, Erika.  Shit happens.  You got your apology.  Shutup about it.

Eileen is one of those people who thinks because she's soooooooooooo much smarter and more refined than everyone else she can interrupt a conversation with a pearl of wisdom and everyone is supposed to go "ooooooooooooh, well thank you Eileen!  Us commoners would NEVER have gotten that without you!"  When in reality her pearls of wisdom are manipulative and self-serving.  

She has quickly become my most hated Housewife.  Above any of them.  I would take her down if I ever got the chance.  She is a snobby, self-important, arrogant bitch.

The whole "Erika is a feminist" thing is surreal. I can't see a shred of truth in that, even if I squint and tilt my head sideways.

[ElDosEquis]

11 hours ago, notnowimbusy said:

YES!  I think the reason she keeps so cool, and aloof, is because she's not that smart - oh maybe street smart - but not intellectual.  First season she talked about always learning things from Tom - which said to me "Be quiet Erika, you don't know what you're talking about".   I have noticed she's swearing a lot more than last season.  We are hearing her call the other women "Ho's", Bitches, "Cu$%y, drop the F bomb, etc.   So, apparently who she is is Erika Jayne - and the real act is Mrs. Girardi - the act she gets paid the most for and has the best benefits.

Just an observation?

I bet that EJ is the Erica she wants to be at home, but Daddy Warbucks prohibits any of that BS in HIS HOME. (Shush, I am talking.......). She's all about being some kind of lighthouse for being 'sexy/liberated' - but can't because of the 'house rules'...

DW has her toe the line - she knows it's HIS cash that lubes the sham squad - and she'll go along with whatever he says.

She shows all the signs of being dick whipped and her OTT behavior and mouth are just other ways of getting to people to say "Wow, who is THAT?"

Instead of highlighting some positive traits to bring to the table?

She climbs on top and begins her shtick about being free and sexy, when, in reality?

She shows as a foul mouthed, slutty woman, the kind that men realize that have no self esteem and use the fuck out of or take advantage of.

EJ is like a cup of old, hot coffee.

Bitter, undrinkable and better left circling the drain.

10 hours ago, dosodog said:

Ken?  Ken will call you a little f**ker and promise to knock the spark out of you.

All the while holding 2 fuzzy little dogs, in the crook of his arm.

He's a badass.

Circle towards the side he had the hip transplant on - jab and keep moving. ; )

[Martinigirl]

12 minutes ago, CaughtOnTape said:

Erike, Eileen and Rinna are hypocritical, faux feminist, bitches and the quicker they get off my show the better.  PK apologized to Erika for taking it too far and she STILL will not let it go.  I don't care anymore about the fact her feelings were hurt because despite her assurances she just wanted an apology, it's become clear she wants an apology, blood and a sacrifice to the Gods for the fact that she was hurt.  People hurt other people, Erika.  Shit happens.  You got your apology.  Shutup about it.

Eileen is one of those people who thinks because she's soooooooooooo much smarter and more refined than everyone else she can interrupt a conversation with a pearl of wisdom and everyone is supposed to go "ooooooooooooh, well thank you Eileen!  Us commoners would NEVER have gotten that without you!"  When in reality her pearls of wisdom are manipulative and self-serving.  

She has quickly become my most hated Housewife.  Above any of them.  I would take her down if I ever got the chance.  She is a snobby, self-important, arrogant bitch.

For some reason Erika's bitchy side is starting to grow on me. When PK calls her cold she calmly agrees with him. LOL!

 "If you don't like me, get in f*&$#ing line".  I hope that is her tagline next season!  

Her resting bitch face says it all.  That's really got to under Dorit's skin. I can see if does to many here on PTV. I know it would piss me off if I was on the receiving end. 

[janie2002]

2 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

For some reason Erika's bitchy side is starting to grow on me. When PK calls her cold she calmly agrees with him. LOL!

 "If you don't like me, get in f*&$#ing line".  I hope that is her tagline next season!  

Her resting bitch face says it all.  That's really got to under Dorit's skin. I can see if does to many here on PTV. I know it would piss me off if I was on the receiving end. 

Except it is all a facade since she deeply cares what people say and is pretty scared of pissing off her husband.

[ElDosEquis]

13 hours ago, Lady of nod said:

Maybe that's part of Erika's problem with Dorit and PK. We seldom if ever see him accompanying her anywhere. And when we do see them together, something is off. It probably irks her that PK is so supportive of Dorit. I'm glad you've rethought your opinion of him. That's something some of these HW are incapable of doing. They just pick a side and never try to understand or rethink their position. There was nothing I saw of PK that I felt was a big turn off. The original pantygate discussion in the kitchen was a little weird, but seeing him with, for example LVP and Ken he seems like an intelligent pretty nice guy. I just hate it when people attack over age, weight, physical appearance. It's childish. If you disagree with what someone does, fine, call them out. But age weight looks shaming is not ok.

I laughed at the convo in the kitchen....why?

Let's try to put this into perspective.

Why would a guy tell his wife that he saw some woman's elephant twat the previous evening?

Do you really want your wife to know that you were getting off on seeing someone's ass? That is pretty stupid because you open yourself up to being asked, "What are you looking at?" all the time.

There is nothing MORE monotonous that having to defend yourself every time you are out in public and you happen to look at a woman and your SO is watching you to see who YOU are looking at and then you get hit with the "Do you like that/what are you looking at?" question.

I think it was more a case of PK laughing at the ericas.  I'd be laughing at someone who thought they were 'classy' but not smart enough to realize that they forgot their underwear.

When YOUR idea of what is 'sexy' collides with the general idea of what and where 'sexy' should be limited to?

It's not the general consensus that has the problem?

[Alison]

On 4/12/2017 at 4:29 PM, Beachdreamer said:

There is no was that I can put any credibility in the idea that Erika was embarrassed by panty-gate.  Tom is a smart man, perhaps he controlled the narrative here.  Maybe he gave her an idea of a storyline to run with.

Because there is no way on earth that I will ever believe that a woman who performs nearly naked while gyrating in almost exclusively sexual moves, while singing vulgar lyrics, in a show that began with a pep talk like the one Mikey delivered.....that woman is not embarrassed that a man looked at her and saw up her skirt.  Nope.  Not a chance.

Wow. Wowowowowowow. So, let me follow your logic. Because Erika performs onstage in sexy costumes and does sexy choreography, she should be totally fine with someone accidentally catching a glimpse of her vadge? That's just absurd, and frankly, sad that you think that way. That's like saying because Eileen's soap opera character has been slapped on TV, she should be fine with someone coming up to her on the street and doing the same. 

On 4/12/2017 at 9:32 PM, lololol said:

There are a few (NOT MANY) on here who love ErICKa. LOL!!! How ANYONE who could love a gold digging, zero talented, full-of-herself, insecure b is truly amazing. She has NOTHING to offer - fake boobs, spackled-on makeup, hideous hair extensions, and a LAME wardrobe.

 

[dosodog]

I think the key word is accidentally. 

If he had actually behaved as described by Rinna, Eileen and many posts here, her level of anger could be justified. 

No one is to blame and no one is really innocent. All of them have had some role in this at some level.

I'm annoyed that the only feet being held to the fire are pretty much only the Kelmsleys. Maybe the reunion is divided into who gets piled on.  Maybe Rinna's turn to be interrupted, talked over and dismissed is coming.

The luxury package piece just..bleck.  Dorit gets put on the spot because PK bought her a $230,000 Bentley.   Ok, fine.  It's a lot of money for a car.  That doesn't fly.

Rinna's Lamborghini costs  $400,000.  Starting MRSP.  Annnnnd.  Crickets.  Nothing.  No money shaming.

I just find it to be one sided at this point, reunion wise.  May be episodes 2 and 3 will add balance.

[Martinigirl]

How DID PK see anything? He was sitting to the side of Erika not facing her. I guess he must have really leaned sideways to face her and take a peek? Ewwwwwwww

I think the cars are leased as they seem to get a new model every year or so. 

Crickets at the cost because the other HW's (as far as we know) didn't run from their country home before getting caught for fraud and filing BK in the USA for almost $40, 000, 000. (yes, there are court records - I stopped reading after the $34,000,000 and $12,000,000 claim). 

I agree! I want to hear both sides. 

[AndySmith]

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When PK calls her cold she calmly agrees with him

I can imagine him and Dorit, sitting at the bar in their home and between lines of coke and gulping down vodka & Redbulls, high-fiving each other over coming up with such a "burn" they probably spent hours working on for the party...

Edited April 14, 2017 by AndySmith

[Martinigirl]

Just now, AndySmith said:

I can imagine him and Dorit, sitting at the bar in their home and between lines of coke and gulping down vodka & Redbulls, high-fiving each other over coming up with such a "burn"...

LMAO!!!! hahahahaha!!!!!

[zoeysmom]

25 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

How DID PK see anything? He was sitting to the side of Erika not facing her. I guess he must have really leaned sideways to face her and take a peek? Ewwwwwwww

I think the cars are leased as they seem to get a new model every year or so. 

Crickets at the cost because the other HW's (as far as we know) didn't run from their country home before getting caught for fraud and filing BK in the USA for almost $40, 000, 000. (yes, there are court records - I stopped reading after the $34,000,000 and $12,000,000 claim). 

I agree! I want to hear both sides. 

PK was sitting across from Erika, that is really not in dispute.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-7/blogs/we-cant-stop-watching-ken-todds-reaction-to

That is the thing about BK it is a fresh start.  A BK filing doesn't mean you surrender whatever smarts or talents you have developed over the years, it just means your debt is erased.  I read where even the one PK was trying to get relief from in the denied Chapter 15 filing was ultimately  adjudicated in PK's favor.   Problems arise when the BK goes into the fraudulent territory.

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[Martinigirl]

6 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

PK was sitting across from Erika, that is really not in dispute.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-7/blogs/we-cant-stop-watching-ken-todds-reaction-to

That is the thing about BK it is a fresh start.  A BK filing doesn't mean you surrender whatever smarts or talents you have developed over the years, it just means your debt is erased.  I read where even the one PK was trying to get relief from in the denied Chapter 15 filing was ultimately  adjudicated in PK's favor. 

You are right. PK is sitting across from Erika.

I didn't realize Fraud was a talent. I just wish he would take his talents elsewhere. I don't want to pay for his talents.

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[AndySmith]

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You are right. PK is sitting across from Erika.

But not facing her. Hell, Dorit probably had the best view...

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I didn't realize Fraud was a talent

The Greystones fraud does sound like a juicy scandal.

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[zoeysmom]

18 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

You are right. PK is sitting across from Erika.

I didn't realize Fraud was a talent. I just wish he would take his talents elsewhere. I don't want to pay for his talents.

I don't know if PK was ever charged with fraud.  So there is that.  PK for a very long time made a lot of people (including himself) a lot of money.  I am very sensitive to BK filings and fresh starts because my parents were on the receiving end of an investment that went terribly bad and the principles were allowed to file BK and not give anything back to the investors.  My folks were even angrier at the attorneys and trustees who were paid enormous fees.  Years later I invited my mom on a holiday home tour and the leader of the investment group and his new wife's home was on the tour.  The entire time in their house my mom kept making snide comments about where her money had gone.  The laws are not always fair and I have heard many a judge say that people are excited when making big returns, find the leader of the investment genius and they minimize the risk involved, if that same investment goes south they are all of a sudden unaware of the risk and are (understandably) angry at the once genius who is now a charlatan.

Kyle's husband is in a business that has its ups and downs so the person buying at the top market can be very angry when the market collapses and they are left upside down.  I don't consider Mauricio to be at all dubious in his dealings but he does market product that can have substantial swings.  Not everyone is a winner in business dealings and not all bad business dealings are a result of malice or fraud. 

[AndySmith]

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and the principles were allowed to file BK and not give anything back to the investors

It sounds like PK was one of of the principles in this case.

[renatae]

On 4/12/2017 at 10:04 AM, Jel said:

Yeah, I found that interesting, too. When I hear difficult childhood I expect a loveless one, not a "I had to make my own dentist appointments at age 7". I mean, not ideal, but somehow I expected her mother to have been loveless and disapproving. From Erika's talk last night, it didn't sound like her mom was like that at all. It kind of reinforced the idea in my mind that Erika has an external locus of control and tends to see herself as a victim.

Not only that, Ericka again seems to be having multiple lives, as, at one time, she will say that her mother was very tough on her, and another time, she will say watching her mother being vulnerable and weepy made her decide to be tough because she was determined not to be like that. So, which is it? Was mom too tough or too vulnerable?

[AndySmith]

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Was mom too tough or too vulnerable?

Possibly both? Tough on her, but vulnerable to the men in her life?

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[Jel]

1 minute ago, renatae said:

Not only that, Ericka again seems to be having multiple lives, as, at one time, she will say that her mother was very tough on her, and another time, she will say watching her mother being vulnerable and weepy made her decide to be tough because she was determined not to be like that. So, which is it? Was mom too tough or too vulnerable?

Renatae, are you suggesting Erika's mom also has an alter-ego, and we now have to keep track of which one she is at any given time, too? ;)

Maybe we should come up with a spreadsheet for this show.

[Martinigirl]

45 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't know if PK was ever charged with fraud.  So there is that.  PK for a very long time made a lot of people (including himself) a lot of money.  I am very sensitive to BK filings and fresh starts because my parents were on the receiving end of an investment that went terribly bad and the principles were allowed to file BK and not give anything back to the investors.  My folks were even angrier at the attorneys and trustees who were paid enormous fees.  Years later I invited my mom on a holiday home tour and the leader of the investment group and his new wife's home was on the tour.  The entire time in their house my mom kept making snide comments about where her money had gone.  The laws are not always fair and I have heard many a judge say that people are excited when making big returns, find the leader of the investment genius and they minimize the risk involved, if that same investment goes south they are all of a sudden unaware of the risk and are (understandably) angry at the once genius who is now a charlatan.

Kyle's husband is in a business that has its ups and downs so the person buying at the top market can be very angry when the market collapses and they are left upside down.  I don't consider Mauricio to be at all dubious in his dealings but he does market product that can have substantial swings.  Not everyone is a winner in business dealings and not all bad business dealings are a result of malice or fraud. 

Understand. BUT hiding assets in the US is all kinds of wrong. 

Mr Kemsley’s Rock property empire collapsed into administration in 2009 with almost £450m owed to Lloyds Banking Group. Grrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[zoeysmom]

34 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

It sounds like PK was one of of the principles in this case.

I took a quick look at the Greystone link and the bullet points about PK seemed to be more along of the lines he was friends with all of the principles and was an enemy to the site you linked.  I don't necessarily believe friend is a synonym for principle in the business world.  YMMV.

It is not often you see a serious site take time out to declare someone an enemy of the site. 

[Martinigirl]

From the London Evening Standard - Into the battle to save the soul of football marches an unlikely possible hero. Paul Kemsley, best-known as a mate of Sir Philip Green, Sir Alan Sugar and Mike Ashley, has a plan. Don't rush to judge.

He is also the man whose £500 million Rock property empire collapsed in May 2009, a victim of the credit crunch, reckless banking and bad judgment. Rock owes Lloyds Banking Group - bailed out by the taxpayer - £450 million. Kemsley owes us, in other words. 

[zoeysmom]

22 minutes ago, renatae said:

Not only that, Ericka again seems to be having multiple lives, as, at one time, she will say that her mother was very tough on her, and another time, she will say watching her mother being vulnerable and weepy made her decide to be tough because she was determined not to be like that. So, which is it? Was mom too tough or too vulnerable?

I agree Erika has blurred the lines on many an occasion and it only gets tougher because of the two personalities Erika.

Inconsistency is the Achilles heel of this franchise.  I am of the belief people can be inconsistent without realizing how they may apply one standard to one situation and directly contradict that same standard in another situation.  Some people call it situational ethics, but with the exception of Rinna, I think the vast majority of the women are guilty of nothing more than trying to make themselves look better or bend their standards when it involves a friend, relative or ally. 

[AndySmith]

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He is also the man whose £500 million Rock property empire collapsed in May 2009, a victim of the credit crunch, reckless banking and bad judgment. Rock owes Lloyds Banking Group - bailed out by the taxpayer - £450 million. Kemsley owes us, in other words. 

Yeah, his company went under definitely making him a principle. Hopefully some of the investors got their money back.

[zoeysmom]

3 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

From the London Evening Standard - Into the battle to save the soul of football marches an unlikely possible hero. Paul Kemsley, best-known as a mate of Sir Philip Green, Sir Alan Sugar and Mike Ashley, has a plan. Don't rush to judge.

He is also the man whose £500 million Rock property empire collapsed in May 2009, a victim of the credit crunch, reckless banking and bad judgment. Rock owes Lloyds Banking Group - bailed out by the taxpayer - £450 million. Kemsley owes us, in other words. 

I am not a citizen of the UK so I don't think he owes me anything.  The way it is worded it seems the PK had loans with the bank and the bank was bailed out to the tune of 450 million pounds not that it was all PK's.  I also did not read the word fraud.  Reckless and bad judgment are not necessarily fraudulent. 

What it comes down to is PK let us know he was richer in the beginning twenty five years ago.  Andy asked PK described his work, including managing Boy George.  We the viewers through Andy got to know a little bit more about PK, a number of posts and blogging sites were very skeptical of PK's management of Boy George being able to provide the lifestyle we saw the Kemsleys enjoying.  We learned.  Just as last year Erika wouldn't divulge what she spent on the GLam Squad, this year she is more open. 

[AndySmith]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/constructionandproperty/5956498/HBOS-to-take-450m-hit-over-Kemsley.html

https://uk.reuters.com/article/rockinvestments-idUKLNE55303S20090604

I can see why he might not have wanted Andy to bring that up in the reunion. And why he might have moved to the US at the same time the company went under...

[zoeysmom]

35 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

Understand. BUT hiding assets in the US is all kinds of wrong. 

Mr Kemsley’s Rock property empire collapsed into administration in 2009 with almost £450m owed to Lloyds Banking Group. Grrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!

What assets did he hide in the US?  I guess maybe why this wasn't covered on the show.

Years ago Mohamed had a dinner party and told LVP Russell Armstrong wasn't invited.  Turn out Mohamed and Russell-more Russell than Mohamed had been involved in a deal that went south and resulted in criminal charges and a plea and probation.  We the viewers didn't get the details.

After the Giudice BK, I am guessing none of these couples want their finances poured over.  Girardis' had huge tax liens, Mauricio opened an agency and pissed off his brother in law, LVP has lawsuits, Rinna's stores went out of business, Eileen's husband gambles (he does it for a living) and bloggers constantly make reference to it.  It doesn't mean it didn't happen I just don't see where in the name of fairness to all that Andy or any of the others want to go there in any great detail.

So certainly people can be angry about reports and it has been said by the same who are angry there are two sides to the story.  Maybe in this case enough time has passed to deem it irrelevant or in the very least not relevant to hiring Dorit as a RH.  It is kind of her husband's past-not hers.