S03.E07: Season 3, Episode 7

[ghoulina]

8 hours ago, jeansheridan said:

I don't know why Jim would tie Trish up if she was an unplanned rape. The cabbie feels more systematic to me. Like a creepy man with rituals. Jim might rape a drunk woman but hit someone and tie her up in the middle of a party? The other rapes were post party/bar in very quiet places. 

Good point. Because of the way it was done, it DOES seem like the rapist planned on raping someone that night - whether it was Trish or someone else. Jim may have had the condoms because he thought he was going to score with the waitress. But why would he have rope on him? And a sock? Doesn't really add up. 

[Last Time Lord]

4 hours ago, dbklmt said:

That genius scene won David Tennant the performer of the week at TV Line.  Here it is without any editing as they did when shown on BBC America.

https://clips.news.co.uk/thesun/NkZGZxYTE6kNQ3Rpgl4auLDSwNQyvZbr/DOcJ-FxaFrRg4gtDEwOmk2OjBrO6qGv_

This scene is even funnier after watching Tennant as the voice of Scrooge McDuck in Duck Tales, earlier today. 

[rur]

5 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

.  I need to go back and look at what else was in that drawer!

I thought I saw a key chain with a picture of Trish and someone else on it. 

[Mabinogia]

It's Trish and Leah. There are mostly random things that could have been left in his cab by people, sunglasses, a wallet, a playing card which is odd, a couple cellphones and a watch. Would someone lose their watch in a cab? Why would they have taken it off? That one is odd. Also, the keys I would think would have been missed right away. There was apparently another set of keys too, also with a photo attached. It could be a red herring and he just keeps stuff he finds in his cab, but it's pretty odd that people wouldn't notice the loss of something like their keys.

Has Trish commented at all about losing her keys? OMG, what if it's her husbands keys? With a pic of his wife and daughter. Could also be the daughters. What could it mean if they were Ian's keys? Hmmm.

[pezgirl7]

Someone went back to the crime scene, got the rope, and then planted it behind Ed's store. Assuming Ed is innocent, the most logical guess is that it was the rapist. Are they trying to frame Ed or just throw suspicion off themselves? Who would want to frame Ed? Trish's husband? Ed's daughter? It was pretty stupid of her to touch the bag and rope with her bare hands.

[secnarf]

2 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

It's Trish and Leah. There are mostly random things that could have been left in his cab by people, sunglasses, a wallet, a playing card which is odd, a couple cellphones and a watch. Would someone lose their watch in a cab? Why would they have taken it off? That one is odd. Also, the keys I would think would have been missed right away. There was apparently another set of keys too, also with a photo attached. It could be a red herring and he just keeps stuff he finds in his cab, but it's pretty odd that people wouldn't notice the loss of something like their keys.

Has Trish commented at all about losing her keys? OMG, what if it's her husbands keys? With a pic of his wife and daughter. Could also be the daughters. What could it mean if they were Ian's keys? Hmmm.

Also about the keys - if they were in fact from rape victims, it's kind of odd that nobody knew about this. I mean, from Trish's perspective (and presumably the owner of the other keys if she was also a rape victim), she was raped and right afterwards her keys are missing - the FIRST thing she should want do is change her locks, and not be at home alone until that is done.

[Quilt Fairy]

There's something I'd like to ask the Britishers in the forum.   There's a phrase I've heard before on a British show and it came up again in this episode.  When Leo lies to the police about his alibi for the night of Trish's rape, he says he and his girlfriend "...stopped for a kebab..." and then went home.  So, is a kebab a thing in Britain?  Is it some kind of ubiquitous fast food item?  Because it's not here in the U.S.   (To clarify, I know what a kebab is.  They're just not common here unless you went to an ethnic restaurant (maybe Greek?) or made your own to grill in the summer.)

[ghoulina]

15 hours ago, pezgirl7 said:

Someone went back to the crime scene, got the rope, and then planted it behind Ed's store. Assuming Ed is innocent, the most logical guess is that it was the rapist. Are they trying to frame Ed or just throw suspicion off themselves? Who would want to frame Ed? Trish's husband? Ed's daughter? It was pretty stupid of her to touch the bag and rope with her bare hands.

For five seconds I thought it might be Cath. Maybe she's jealous of the attention Trish receives from Ed at work or something. It's just that Cath WORKS there and would have better access than anyone else. But she couldn't be the actual rapist. It would only work if she was working with/covering for her husband. But she seemed way too upset about the discovery of the condoms. Man, sometimes I find myself really going off into left field with this show! But I love it. 

[SweetieDarling]

Ian could also have had something to do with it (I'm SO confused! They ALL look so guilty right now!).. Trish thought it sounded like Ian calling to her before she got hit on the head.  Ian told Hardy that he had to talk to Ed about sexual harassment, which would have made planting the bag of twine at Ed's consistent with trying to frame him; Ian would have had motivation (jealousy) to do that.

[ghoulina]

Could possibly one of the men be covering for the other? What if someone has some dirt on someone? Saw it happen, and is being bribed to be quiet? There's so many shifty characters out there!

[SweetieDarling]

Could the twine kid have threatened to out Ian and the spying software, and blackmailed him into helping in the rape (calling Trish's name, and possibly filming it)?  Then Ian took the bag of twine and tried to set up Ed, along with the comment to Hardy about having to address Ed's sexual harassment of Trish?  Didn't Ian mention something about the men Trish had been with? Maybe the twine kid (I forget his name) had access to those files, since he was the one who installed the software, maybe he left himself access as well, and was using that to blackmail Ian?  Too far fetched? It doesn't explain the motive to rape Trish specifically, unless  Ian was in on it to get revenge against Trish for not letting him back in her life or for being with other men (or Jim).  There are too many possible scenarios!

Edited August 13, 2017 by SweetieDarling
seeing her with Jim may have put him over the edge

[izabella]

I'm thinking it's the taxi driver.  He might have the twine in his taxi, for emergencies or opportunities to rape somebody, or left behind by twine-sales guy.  He would be out roaming around in his taxi at all hours, and responding to all those "my car broke down" calls.  His home life is ripe for suppressed rage against women and lack of control at home that he relieves through violence (rape).  And his stepson is sharing porn with Tom, meaning it's yet another dad of one of Tom's friends that is evil, just like Joe.

[smorbie]

On 4/11/2017 at 6:25 AM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Of course the shit starts hitting the proverbial fan in the penultimate episode!

My favorite part of this episode was Alec getting to tell those shitty little teenagers that if they even talk about Daisy, he will cut their tiny little cocks off. HA! Love that Ellie got her speech with Katie last week and Alec got his with those stupid boys this week. It's cathartic to hear things like that said out loud, even if it's only on tv. Heh and the look on Ellie's face after he told her that he realized his problem has been that he's too nice. Ha! I've been watching 13 Reasons Why and without getting into the plot too much, what that show has in common with the teen plot on Broadchurch is that guys think it's perfectly normal and acceptable to do shitty things to girls and then slut shame them afterward. It's sad and sickening to see that still happens.

Similarly, Ian is so gross. First he left Trish for his coworker. Then while he was living with his new girlfriend/coworker, he installed spyware on Trish's laptop so he could watch her because he claims he missed her. Sorry, jerk, there is no excuse for spying on your ex like that. And Leo installed the spyware because "they're married." Oh, okay. As long as there's a piece of paper saying that you're legally connected, it's okay to invade someone's privacy!

I'm glad Mark survived, mostly because I didn't want Chloe to live with the lifelong guilt of wondering what she could have done to save him. I recognize that Mark is depressed and that he needs help, but he needs PROFESSIONAL help, not just bitching to Paul. As Beth said, his grief leaves no room for hers or anyone else's which I can see would be really frustrating for her. I'm glad she was able to hold it together while she was at the hospital with Mark but I'm really glad that she was able to let it all out with Paul. I think her reaction is common - she sees Mark's behavior as selfish instead of seeing that he really needs help. I don't mean that he needs to talk to her about it either. He needs a therapist, someone who can help guide him through his feelings of grief and guilt and help him heal. What he's been doing (obsessing about Joe Miller) is not the answer. Interesting that Paul is sick of it too.

One thing I have learned from both this show and House is that everybody lies, but that lying doesn't necessarily make the liars guilty of anything but lying and being jerks. There are a lot of liars in this town, but obviously not all of the liars are guilty of raping Trish. Jim is the latest liar. If it were earlier in the season, I would assume his lies were a red herring but since we're so close to finding out who the rapist is, I'm considering him a suspect.

I'm afraid for the cab driver's wife now that she's found his drawer of trophies. I'm sure he will have some kind of excuse like it's just stuff that people have left behind in his car, but give me a break.

Love that Maggie refused to write a story about Mark's suicide attempt. I'm glad some people still have standards. And really, Caroline? You don't call yourself a feminist? I guess it's good you admit you are a misogynist?

I am neither am a feminist nor a misogynist.  It's  not a binary world.

I did love Ellie's face and quiet objection to Alex's epiphany that he's just too nice.  That was actually quite hilarious.

I had contradictory feelings to Beth's handling of Mark's suicide attempt.  I totally understand her anger because I've found that often that is one of the initial feelings of family members.  And she tried to be reflective of Mark's feelings and statements. When she found she couldn't, she should have just gotten quiet or excused herself and left the room.  Her job right now is to just be supportive and watchful.  The experts need to provide the care.

And I'm going to say it if no one else will, Arthur Duvall has been wasted in his role.  That is, unless, he's the rapist.  It doesn't look like he is, insasmuch as he has nothing to do with the case. But there was nothing to indicate Joe was the murderer in the first season, either.

It's almost over and I will be sad to see it go.  I could have watched Hardy and Millah for many years and been a happy girl.

On 8/12/2017 at 7:34 PM, pezgirl7 said:

Someone went back to the crime scene, got the rope, and then planted it behind Ed's store. Assuming Ed is innocent, the most logical guess is that it was the rapist. Are they trying to frame Ed or just throw suspicion off themselves? Who would want to frame Ed? Trish's husband? Ed's daughter? It was pretty stupid of her to touch the bag and rope with her bare hands.

She hasn't shown stellar judgement heretofore, so I wasn't surprised to see her do something stupid like that.  I also noticed she blamed her dad because she lost her job.  She just can't take responsibility for anything can she?

[smorbie]

On 8/12/2017 at 10:08 PM, secnarf said:

Also about the keys - if they were in fact from rape victims, it's kind of odd that nobody knew about this. I mean, from Trish's perspective (and presumably the owner of the other keys if she was also a rape victim), she was raped and right afterwards her keys are missing - the FIRST thing she should want do is change her locks, and not be at home alone until that is done.

My guess is, and I'm always wrong mind you, the drawer is just full of detritus that's been left in his cab.  He started off throwing them in the drawer maybe even meaning to return them, and it just never happened.  I would guess the keys were lost some time ago which is why she's never mentioned missing them or being worried about having her locks changed.

Of course I am always wrong so it really means he's the rapist.

[jeansheridan]

Before the creepy pics, I liked Ed a lot. Grumpy widower with a secret crush?  Catnip. 

But 5000 pictures are hard to forgive. Although I do have 500 plus pics of my dogs on my phone. Am I a stalker????

1 hour ago, smorbie said:

And I'm going to say it if no one else will, Arthur Duvall has been wasted in his role.  That is, unless, he's the rapist.  I

I think he may be Beth's future guy. They have always been close.

[smorbie]

4 hours ago, jeansheridan said:

Before the creepy pics, I liked Ed a lot. Grumpy widower with a secret crush?  Catnip. 

But 5000 pictures are hard to forgive. Although I do have 500 plus pics of my dogs on my phone. Am I a stalker????

I think he may be Beth's future guy. They have always been close.

It only counts as stalking if all you're managed to get are shots of the back of his head.

I would like to see him and Beth together.  That would at least be something.  Bless his heart.

[smorbie]

You know, it was worth watching all three seasons just to see Ellie's face when Hardy said he was too nice to people.

[Kathira]

It's hard to believe there's only one episode left, with all the dangling plot points and red herrings still around. I almost think the sock dna will turn out to be another false lead, just a pair of dirty socks picked up and used by the real culprit, who I still think will turn out to be some kind of caretaker or janitor who did odd jobs in locations like the sports arena, bar, or party site. I would really hate it if they brought in some suspect like that out of left field, though. It would feel kind of anti-climactic. 

[carrps]

My sister's theory is that the rapes (and why they're spread so far apart in time) is that they're a kind of initiation for the soccer team. Ergo, the sock.  And it was filmed with a phone partly for proof and partly for the other boys to "enjoy."

And we were waiting all episode for the sock DNA to show up. Figures they'd wait until nearly the very last minute.

I saw the episode before my sister, so I was watching for her reaction to Miller's reaction to Hardy saying he's too nice. Totally worth it.

Just by the way, I looked Jody Whittaker up on imdb and saw that she's doing Doctor Who as a blond. I don't think it suits her. Makes her look ten years older.

[ghoulina]

The soccer initiation theory isn't a bad one. It might ring more true if it were JUST a school team, full of youths. But it being sort of a "town team" makes me side-eye it a bit more. Does everyone have to do it? Isn't Nige on the team? I don't know. Not a bad theory, though. 

[izabella]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

The soccer initiation theory isn't a bad one. It might ring more true if it were JUST a school team, full of youths. But it being sort of a "town team" makes me side-eye it a bit more. Does everyone have to do it? Isn't Nige on the team? I don't know. Not a bad theory, though. 

I suppose it could be a subset of the team that does the initiation, a clique within the broader team. 

[pezgirl7]

I proposed the soccer team initiation a few episodes ago, and I still think it's a good theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if Trish's rape has nothing to do with the other two rapes. If it is the soccer team, then I think the perps being just a small clique would make more sense.

I also think the cabbie's stepson is involved somehow, either because he was there or just has some knowledge of it, and will eventually help the case by spilling the beans to the detectives.

[Llywela]

On 13/08/2017 at 6:19 AM, Quilt Fairy said:

There's something I'd like to ask the Britishers in the forum.   There's a phrase I've heard before on a British show and it came up again in this episode.  When Leo lies to the police about his alibi for the night of Trish's rape, he says he and his girlfriend "...stopped for a kebab..." and then went home.  So, is a kebab a thing in Britain?  Is it some kind of ubiquitous fast food item?  Because it's not here in the U.S.   (To clarify, I know what a kebab is.  They're just not common here unless you went to an ethnic restaurant (maybe Greek?) or made your own to grill in the summer.)

Yes, going out for a kebab is a pretty common thing in these parts.

[Quilt Fairy]

I know that Daisy is embarrassed because she has had nude pictures of her distributed, but I don't remember when that first came up.  Was it in a prior season? 

In other news, if anyone is interested, Comcast/Xfinity has the first 2 seasons of Broadchurch on sale for $9.99 each for a limited time. 

Also in other news, I just saw a commercial that said David Tennant is going to be at a ComicCon convention here in the Chicago area next month, and I'm almost considering going just to see him.

Edited August 16, 2017 by Quilt Fairy

[ghoulina]

7 hours ago, Llywela said:

Yes, going out for a kebab is a pretty common thing in these parts.

I'm reading a Swedish detective series right now and the main inspector just went out for a kebab! 

 

7 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

I know that Daisy is embarrassed because she has had nude pictures of her distributed, but I don't remember when that first came up.  Was it in a prior season? 

I think the Daisy storyline started this season. She was shown to be now living with her father, because of something that happened to her when she was still living with her mother? It's been kind of vague. But I think it was when Chloe came around to see her that we realized what was going on. 

[SusanSunflower]

forgot to post ... Kebab seems to be a generic term for a middle-eastern takeout joint -- a Kebab Shop -- versus an Indian takeout -- A Curry Shop.  They sell actual kebabs but most of the photos looked a lot more like Shwarma (a sort of spit-roasted rotisseried meat which is shaved off from the spit), made into a pita bread sandwich with salad and sauce, served up in styrofoam takeout containers, much like falafel.  Considered late night/early early morning "hangover food" ...  At least the lettuce is fresh (maybe) 

[Roseanna]

On ‎11‎.‎4‎.‎2017 at 1:25 PM, ElectricBoogaloo said:

My favorite part of this episode was Alec getting to tell those shitty little teenagers that if they even talk about Daisy, he will cut their tiny little cocks off. HA! 

I can't find it either funny or acceptable.  Threating with violence is a crime, too. 

It also represent an view that women are in security from other men only if their fathers or husbands are powerful enouh to protect them and thus own them.   

[Roseanna]

On ‎14‎.‎8‎.‎2017 at 7:06 AM, smorbie said:

I had contradictory feelings to Beth's handling of Mark's suicide attempt.  I totally understand her anger because I've found that often that is one of the initial feelings of family members.  And she tried to be reflective of Mark's feelings and statements. When she found she couldn't, she should have just gotten quiet or excused herself and left the room.  Her job right now is to just be supportive and watchful.  The experts need to provide the care.

How is it her job? I am tired of demands how wives should support their husbands although they never get support of the men. 

Besides, if people acted according to the guide books, ther would be no drama. 

[mledawn]

13 hours ago, Roseanna said:

How is it her job? I am tired of demands how wives should support their husbands although they never get support of the men. 

Really, NEVER? Mark told Beth he was proud of her and her new job: that's supportive. And, although Joe turned out to be a paedophile, he supported Ellie by taking care of the home while she was working as a police officer and the family breadwinner. Hardy literally tanked his own career to protect his wife and thus support her career and (attempt to) protect their daughter from his wife's shitty behaviour.

As for Beth's "job", the poster was indicating it wasn't on Beth to care for Mark at all, thus ZERO demands on how she should support her husband, just that she should - as a human being who loves this man - be SUPPORTIVE.

Edited November 18, 2017 by mledawn
grammar

[Roseanna]

6 hours ago, mledawn said:

Really, NEVER? Mark told Beth he was proud of her and her new job: that's supportive. And, although Joe turned out to be a paedophile, he supported Ellie by taking care of the home while she was working as a police officer and the family breadwinner. Hardy literally tanked his own career to protect his wife and thus support her career and (attempt to) protect their daughter from his wife's shitty behaviour.

As for Beth's "job", the poster was indicating it wasn't on Beth to care for Mark at all, thus ZERO demands on how she should support her husband, just that she should - as a human being who loves this man - be SUPPORTIVE.

Supporting spouse's career is quite another thing, a normal thing (expect in Hardy whose decision was foolish), than behaving like Mark who for his own sorrow abandoned her wife and two children  - and that after demanding that Beth would have the baby she was carrrying when their son was murdered. 

Sometimes the best way to help a person is to cease to be supportive and say aloud that he must decide if he wants to survive or nor - and thus at least to prevent him to overwhelm others with him. 

[mledawn]

17 hours ago, Roseanna said:

Supporting spouse's career is quite another thing, a normal thing (expect in Hardy whose decision was foolish), than behaving like Mark who for his own sorrow abandoned her wife and two children  - and that after demanding that Beth would have the baby she was carrrying when their son was murdered. 

Sometimes the best way to help a person is to cease to be supportive and say aloud that he must decide if he wants to survive or nor - and thus at least to prevent him to overwhelm others with him. 

Mark was shitty in all sorts of ways, of that you'll find few - if any - who would disagree, but it's not the point being discussed. You said women never receive support from the men, which isn't true.

As for how to help someone who is suicidal, I feel that Beth was written realistically in how she reacted to the first man she loved and the father of her children.

[LeGrandElephant]

Is it normal for one member of a sports team to wash everyone else’s socks? Why aren’t they washing their own socks at home??

[Pickles]

I was actually sorry Mark's suicide attempt wasn't successful.