S01.E09: 8pm - 9pm

[paigow]

A threat forces CTU to go on lockdown; Carter gets in a tense situation; Donovan reaches out to Rebecca when he faces a big decision in his campaign.

[paigow]

CTU cannot even lockdown their own building....Naseri helped Carter kill Bin Khalid Sr...so he could find the real mole...There is another boss above Naseri...Carter can be excused if he shoots Jennifer in the head....

Edited March 28, 2017 by paigow

[marinw]

1 minute ago, paigow said:

CTU cannot even lockdown their own building....Naseri helped Carter kill Bin Khalid Sr...so he could find the real mole...There is another boss above Naseri

CTU has a not-so-proud tradition of terrible security.

I can’t work up any sympathy for Eric. I did feel for Nicole when she was going through  the wreckage of her house and noticed Rebecca’s job offer letter.

I was hoping John had his phone set to record when Major Dad was defending his Evil Plan.

[paigow]

1 minute ago, marinw said:

I can’t work up any sympathy for Eric....

Dealing with dumbass Jen is worth a few points.  His Hurt Locker session would have been more authentic if the vest had a metal cage with locks... Carter and the other guy would just apologize and let her explode...no more leverage.  

[Malbec]

More hostage musical chairs!

I'm sure this has been remarked upon already, but Jedallah's vague resemblance to Henry Cavill was really throwing me off this episode. Kinda cracks me up every time.

Grant is the worst, he and Jennifer were clearly made for each other.

I did think it was cool when Rebecca got to drop a classic "I give you my word".

[paigow]

Jack killed rogue Curtis to protect a prisoner...2 CTU guards unwilling to draw down on Grant...need to be fired for being ignorant of history.

[AimingforYoko]

9 minutes ago, paigow said:

Jack killed rogue Curtis to protect a prisoner...2 CTU guards unwilling to draw down on Grant...need to be fired for being ignorant of history.

You're really comparing Jack effing Bauer to CTU security? Infidel, I cast thee out!

 

22 minutes ago, Malbec said:

More hostage musical chairs!

They seem to be moving up the chain in importance. POTUS will probably be in a bomb vest by the finale.

[SimoneS]

That made just about no sense. Why didn't Rebecca just shoot the guard holding the gun on Jedallah? He was as bad as his girlfriend who won't give any info unless they freed her. I would have threatened to leave her there unless she talked.

Edited March 28, 2017 by SimoneS

[paigow]

Or shoot Bin Khalid Jr.

Edited March 28, 2017 by paigow

[TobinAlbers]

Eh, Nicole was lying about wanting to try to have kids and still taking her birth control so I can't feel too upset she found out Eric was exploring his employment options. He hadn't discussed it with her but she led him along believing they were trying for a kid.  They're both playing a bit foul.

But we now have the entry for Eric as a CTU agent for S2 if we get one. It'll just be without Nicole and her married to Isaac. Ha! 

CTU needed Isaac and his crew as backup because that was some mess with such an epic fail of a lockdown. Still, it was great to see all of CTU storming that tunnel to stop them from leaving with Rebecca right in the center of it. I was shocked John didn't bite it right there.

Awww Locke walked his bae Andy into CTU right up to his other bae Mullins. Whoever said that this trio is the love triangle may not be too far off, LOL. Andy limped in like he was a boss and Mullins took it like a man and conceded Andy WAS the man. 

John, I hope you recorded that conversation with your father because hoo boy. That was more than enough to take him down. 

Was Eric having a panic attack at the end?  Really seemed like he was at a loss of direction and kind of freaking out/spinning. PTSD? 

Jack Bauer was literally a one of a kind agent. A regular joe CTU security dude is going to be loathe to shoot one of their own even when they're in the right. Jack doesn't let anything get in his way of duty people and the right thing for them. Rebecca seems like the closest of the current crop to Bauer in mentality. Which makes it fit that Andy is her Chloe, LOL.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Good grief, it's always one more thing with Carter. I'm starting to think he's deliberately avoiding Nicole. Something's off there. And Carter doesn't even work for UTC so why is he still leading missions for them?

Does Rebecca ever succeed at interrogating people? So far it seems like she's failed or been mistaken every time. I guess her institutional knowledge is good enough to overshadow her utter inability to get info out of prisoners.

That married guard was willing to be charged with treason and who knows what else just to save his piece on the side? Or did he figure Naseri would be killing him anyway so he might as well save her if he could?

What kind of fly-by-night operation is CTU that terrorists can walk in and take people? Oh well, at least we know what Carter's next "one more thing" will be: rescue the Senator. Wonder how they'll explain not having the FBI, CIA, DHS, and the Secret Service involved now that a relatively important government official has been kidnapped on US soil by known international terrorists?

Edited March 28, 2017 by Joimiaroxeu

[dwmarch]

CTU security is the absolute worst! A van full of military-aged males shows up unexpectedly and all it takes is for one guy to say "let 'em in!" and they waltz right in, weapons and all? No one searches the van? One guy can shut off all the security cameras and no one else gets notified? Rebecca, in heels and a skirt, outruns the security team and fires the most shots even though she's an administrator and where the fuck did she get that gun?

Tony's girlfriend continues to give him side-eye even as she's slipping into more leather and well within earshot as Tony wishes Rebecca well with her husband. You know what I love in my young, gorgeous, head-to-toe-in-leather women? Jealousy and insecurity. Really ups the hotness.

Someone needs to give Nicole a dossier with the names Teri Bauer, Michelle Dessler, Renee Walker, Audrey Raines, etc in it. Loving a CTU agent usually means dying in the arms of one. And Isaac did tell her he's got some openings in his organization. While Eric is sitting in a basement scratching his nuts, Isaac is visiting the mothers of his dead soldiers and ensuring the safety of a woman who is being hunted by terrorists!

[marinw]

Does poor Andy get a trip to the infirmary and some clean clothes  before getting back to work?

[ottoDbusdriver]

That was painful to watch.  After the umpteen times CTU security has been breached in the past, this seemed like a cakewalk.  

Did they just whip up this plan with Grant's girlfriend on the fly -- or was it planned all along ?  How did they even know about Grant's girlfriend -- and why didn't they go after his wife instead ?

[sugarbaker design]

11 hours ago, Malbec said:

but Jedallah's vague resemblance to Henry Cavill was really throwing me off this episode.

Really? Everytime J is on screen I think of Milo Yisomethingopolous.

3 hours ago, marinw said:

Does poor Andy get a trip to the infirmary and some clean clothes  before getting back to work?

CTU Dry Cleaners closes at 8pm.

[Rambler]

11 hours ago, paigow said:

Jack killed rogue Curtis to protect a prisoner...2 CTU guards unwilling to draw down on Grant...need to be fired for being ignorant of history.

Not to mention the 2 CTU commandos that accompanied Carter to the house. They had the drop on an unarmed girl and still managed to screw it up. Well at least the one dude was fired... literally.

[paigow]

3 hours ago, marinw said:

Does poor Andy get a trip to the infirmary and some clean clothes  before getting back to work?

Dude is safer on the floor than in CTU Medical

[TobinAlbers]

1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

That said, I find Nicole incredibly annoying.  Does she ever stop whining?

I always find it funny how the argument is 'Why do YOU have to do it Jack/Eric/Rebecca/Chloe?'

If not these crazy badass mofo's willing to do whatever it takes to save YOU and the collective nation and sometimes the world from terrorists threats, then WHO, people?

We need and want men like Jack and Eric and women like Chloe, Michelle, Renee, and Rebecca to serve and protect us. Yes, it's a personal sacrifice for you as their loved ones, but if these men and women left this up to someone else then the US and consequently the world would be a real clusterfuck.

We need one spouse/partner who is like 'Go kick ass, baby. Try not to get killed, mmmkay?'

Chloe, honestly, was the best work spouse for Jack. On one hand I'm glad they kept them friends and didn't have them go further, on the other I wish they had gone because she was a pretty good fit for him. Until maybe the whole goth phase.

[Auntie Anxiety]

It was at the part when Naseri (who tracked down the blond gf, bound and gagged her and was able to attach a bomb in five minutes after escaping the bombed warehouse) called the guard at CTU that I stopped my DVR and erased the show. I just couldn't anymore. 

I started getting annoyed when Isaac asked Eric why he (Eric) had to be the one to find Naseri and Eric gave the look that Jack Bauer would have given in the past, a tortured look that is supposed to explain everything. But the kid who plays Eric is no Keifer Sutherland and just plain sucks in this role. 

Yeah, I'm done with this ridiculous show. I used to love it.

[Bill C.]

Eric's "default" face kind of trips the entire character up.  It's annoying.  But I digress...

One good redshirt cop (poor Jenkins, on the bridge) is offset by one utterly stupid redshirt cop (Steven, cheating bastard).  OTOH, points for the minor swerve with him and Rebecca at dueling gunpoints--it looked like Hipster Kid Terrorist was about to have a golden opportunity to snatch Steven's gun, he never did, and instead Steven gets it in the head from Team Naseri.

And as much as I loved how swift and surgical Naseri's snatch and grab was--let alone his team dealing with the cops in the tunnel, which was oddly Team Almeida-esque--the thing that just wouldn't leave my brain was this: how the hell did Naseri have intel on, apparently, a senior security officer at CTU?  Let alone his having a mistress?  Either CTU indeed has a mole (and this loops right back to that mysterious "data pack" Mariana sent out to parties unknown last week), or security has gone completely to shit post-Bauer.

Action Bae Nicole not being aware that Eric had a job offer from Rebecca was probably a sort of cherry on top of everything else that's happened to her this season.  Isaac getting more growly (in the down-low sense) as the episode went on was just a perk.

And Eric being walked through disarming a bomb was a surprisingly neat and tightly-paced bit, if probably inevitably handicapped at the end by Real Jennifer whatshername freaking out (versus Fake Jennifer, who was like a bugfixed and more awesome Amira).

13 hours ago, Malbec said:

I'm sure this has been remarked upon already, but Jedallah's vague resemblance to Henry Cavill was really throwing me off this episode. Kinda cracks me up every time.

Honestly that never occurred to me with our good Hipster Kid Terrorist, but last night there were a couple of shots where I could see it.  If anything, though, I was thinking Oded Fehr with the stubble was looking a lot like an evil(-er) Carlos Bernard.

[TheRabbi]

What an episode. Felt like we retreaded 10 years of 24 cliches in a single hour. CTU truly has the worst security and hasn't learned anything.  As soon as it became clear that the bombed up broad wasn't talking, you knew she would give the answer after getting disarmed and be just one second too late.

The biggest surprise was that they actually showed the bad guys getting through a police perimeter, instead of just explaining it away in dialogue (Widen the perimeter!) for the 700th time.

I can't bring myself to care about the love triangle of the main cast. I was so waiting for a Nicole/Isaac kiss and was rolling my eyes through their whole scene.

So is Tony's arc over? Bring him back to pump some drugs into Gerald McRaney for an hour? What a waste if so (though not surprising given the rest of the season). Maybe Rebecca will get desperate with CTU's rent-a-cops all dead and send Tony into the field for the final hours? I'd watch that.

[sugarbaker design]

19 minutes ago, TheRabbi said:

So is Tony's arc over?

I doubt it.

[marinw]

Oh Tony, you can't even torture an old man anymore. And how did you get out of prison?

[piequinn35]

They wasted time defusing the bomb and getting the boyfriend's name from her, what Eric should have done was tell the girlfriend to stop, think of any reason or someone that would do that to her before we defuse this bomb or DIEEEE.

[Johnny Dollar]

Let me get this straight. Based on the very convenient and constant time line that the show kindly provides to viewers, it took about five minutes for Naseri to escape a blown up building, figure out that some schlumpy rent-a-cop looking guard is fooling around on his wife, determine the name, address and employer of schlumpy's girlfriend, send one of his minions over to her house with a fully loaded bomb vest and remote video set-up, assemble a team of additional terrorists who were apparently just hanging around waiting for their next assignment, convince Schlumpy Guard that you were going to blow up his girlfriend unless he assists you in your nefarious scheme, drive over to CTU and manage to get through their impenetrable security system with a team of about theee guys, despite the fact that Naseri would have had no reason to believe that any of this was necessary because the sleeper cells would have already been activated and there would have been no reason to worry about having to attack CTU HQ. Issac's getting shot in the stomach and not having to go the hospital doesn't seem so far-fetched. 

[Cepolly]

 Sadly, I have to agree with most of the negative reviews. I usually do not post on review forums. But 24 legacy has gone into some sort of fantasy land plot line that is just too implausible. 

 My biggest gripe is how did Eric all of a sudden go from former soldier to the head of tactical operations for CTU. I mean when he actually was instructing CTU on how they should trace a phone call, I felt like what was CTU doing this whole time without Eric. Thank God he was there to tell them exactly what to do. /sarcasm

And again I go back to how did he all of a sudden become the head of tactical operations. 

 If they don't tighten this up and make it seem somewhat believable, then the show won't be long for this world. 

[sugarbaker design]

4 minutes ago, Cepolly said:

make it seem somewhat believable, then the show won't be long for this world. 

Because TV is full of believable shows like How To Get Away With Murder, MacGyver, Chicago Fire and original 24.

[Cepolly]

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33 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

Because TV is full of believable shows like How To Get Away With Murder, MacGyver, Chicago Fire and original 24.

That's my point. This is even less believable than the shows you mentioned which are unbelievable. But the shows you mentioned were still enjoyable because they kept you at the edge of your seat (well at least the original 24 did).  Legacy and the role Eric plays is laughable. 

Edited March 29, 2017 by Cepolly
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[paigow]

If Bozer builds an Arc Reactor in a cave, then the writers will have gone too far....

[TimWil]

This. Show. Just. Doesn't. Work. 

[jhlipton]

On 3/27/2017 at 9:55 PM, paigow said:

Or shoot Bin Khalid Jr.

For reals. 
BAM!  There goes your Eeeeeeevil Plan.  Ha ha ha!!!

On 3/28/2017 at 10:04 AM, TobinAlbers said:

She was a pretty good fit for him.

Cue the porn music.

[seacliffsal]

This show is such a pale imitation of 24.  The lead doesn't emote, and I find it difficult to empathize with any of the characters.  Love triangle?  So don't care.  Marital spat?  Just keep torturing his father and think of the country first (I'm not like this in real life, but the show wants us to think that the safety of the entire country is at stake, so, don't worry about what your husband says and do your job...).

[Raja]

On 3/27/2017 at 8:13 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Good grief, it's always one more thing with Carter. I'm starting to think he's deliberately avoiding Nicole. Something's off there. And Carter doesn't even work for UTC so why is he still leading missions for them?

 

Because Rangers lead the way. Hooah!

[Joimiaroxeu]

Well, maybe this particular Ranger should keep to leading things he's qualified and trained to do. Seems to me like he largely operates on emotion and hubris at the risk of other people's safety, including his own family members'. He doesn't look like much of a hero to me.

[TobinAlbers]

33 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

He doesn't look like much of a hero to me.

I hate to say it, because I wanted Cory's character to be a true Black Bauer, but it's kinda true. Jack couldn't skate on his cred alone until later seasons and even then he had true no question hero moments where you were reminded why Jack was such a rootable character who you would side eye one minute for being too aggressive and then applaud the next when he did something that spoke volumes towards his commitment to the safety and protection of others. 

In Day 1 Jack is a pariah for his role in taking down one of his own. But when you hear him talking to Kim's dumb boyfriend about how choices define you and the direction of your life but you don't have to be bad to make bad choices and how the men he took down weren't bad people but men who made bad choices, you got the character and his motivation. 

With Eric they keep telling us his loyalty to the Rangers but that loyalty towards Ben has only made him look like an idiot because Ben's actions only made things worse with Eric enabling him.

While late in his run, one of the best examples of Show don't tell that Jack is a hero that sticks to me to this day was in Day 7. CTU was on trial, Jack the face of this special committee's ire. He's pulled into the events of the day even though he is completely over the govenerment machine and it's bullshit. Except he can't ignore the threat against the people.

He's in the truck that has the gas and is driving it away from the baddies. During the firefight a tank is hit/ruptured and leaking its contents. There are no suits for him to put on. Jack can contain it by closing off a lever but it'll expose him to pretty much certain death. Jack looks up and down the deserted highway and sees the flashing lights of the calvary approaching. He could wait until they arrive to grab a suit but it would expose all of them to the gas. More casualties. So what does he do? He exposes himself to close off the tank to protect those coming, sacrificing himself even though at this point he's met Renee and reuniting with Kim is a real possibility.

That is a defining character moment for your hero. Eric Carter has had no such real moments. He's had cool moments. The cop on the bridge had a real moment. He tried and failed,  but when he was called and asked to step up with literal minutes notice, that guy was out on the bridge bobbing and weaving through cars to do his job even as he was sweating bullets thinking he was in over his head. 

The show is getting the window dressing right of the action scenes and twists and turns and hurried action but they're missing the mark where heart and heroism is concerned.

[Bill C.]

That right there, Tobin.  All that.  We've had maybe two or three modest character moments with Eric, IIRC, but not really anything truly big apart from perhaps not killing Ben when Gabriel was threatening him.  (I kinda want to say, and the irony is so not lost, that we've probably had more character moments with Isaac.)  That's leaving a hole the show hasn't been able to fill yet.  On the assumption that Eric is our new hero des jours, however...we probably need one halfway, truly significant character moment to solidify that this is our Black Bauer and he's got this, but when the heck is it coming?

[Auntie Anxiety]

^^ I think if it was going to come, it would have already. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

For viewers like me, the "Black Bauer" concept will never work because I didn't watch the original 24 and can't make the comparison. If having seen 24 is a prerequisite to accepting this show--warts and all--then the people responsible for Legacy might want to make that more clear. However, AFAIC, this show and its star should be able to stand on their own merits and I don't see that happening yet if ever.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Joimiaroxeu

[sugarbaker design]

On 4/1/2017 at 9:42 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

However, AFAIC, this show and its star should be able to stand on their own merits and I don't see that happening yet if ever.

Good point J!  I'm only a fan because 24:L does the things I love:  includes names of characters in the previouslies; the omipresent clock; and that moment 30 seconds before the end of the show when the screen is split in 4 screens displaying the various plot lines.

I'm really only watching now to see the identity of the obligatory mole, my money is still on Mullins!

[TobinAlbers]

On 4/1/2017 at 9:42 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

For viewers like me, the "Black Bauer" concept will never work because I didn't watch the original 24 and can't make the comparison. If having seen 24 is a prerequisite to accepting this show--warts and all--then the people responsible for Legacy might want to make that more clear. However, AFAIC, this show and its star should be able to stand on their own merits and I don't see that happening yet if ever.

Nah; Watching the previous series is definitely not a prereq to enjoying this show; in fact it could hinder it because I catch myself comparing it to the original because of all the similar situations and finding some things more obvious or repetitive while a few friends who jumped into this with no previous 24 viewing are finding it a bit more enjoyable.

A show in the same universe/spin-off show should most definitely always be able to stand on it's own; my issue with Eric isn't that he doesn't measure up to Jack, it's that the writing keeps telling us rather than show us what makes Eric a hero. He has cool moments, but not real character defining/establishing moments. His refusing to shoot Ben was a step in the right direction. I feel like his relationship with Rebecca lends him more credibility because of her crazy loyalty to him and his loyalty to her. They've established a great connection. But for me Eric falls short of being an interesting hero because he hasn't given me that whoa moment yet.  I'm really rooting for him to do so, just hasn't happened yet.

[NoirDetective]

Jeez, another "Let me endanger the nation to save my histrionic spouse" plot, again done right under Mullens' nose. It's one thing to not have any new ideas from the old 24, but this one doesn't have any new ideas from this one season of 24.

Monster Terror Daddy in hiding for however many years. Come on!

With Nicole now in CTU, I predict this season will end like Jack/Teri in S1. The mole (Rebecca) will kill her, leaving Carter free to grieve, dedicate fully to CTU, and endure a string of improbably sexy result-minded partners.

[jhlipton]

On 4/3/2017 at 9:58 PM, NoirDetective said:

Monster Terror Daddy in hiding for however many years. Come on!

The Rangers had One Job -- kill MTD.  The idea that they would leave the job half-done is an insult to all Rangers and to our credibility.

[gallimaufry]

Oh dear... eps 6-7 looked like it might come together but now it's spinning apart again.  So next week will be the third consecutive episode with a different spouse as hostage.  John is dull and so is his dad.  The CTU agents are all bland.  What was with Nasiri's woman agent -- in it for all of 5 seconds?  The hostage was annoying more than sympathetic.  I feel like the original show would have been more likely to blow her up.  There's an interesting wrinkle in the villains but overall it's weak stuff.  So disappointing.