S03.E03: Chapter Forty-Seven

[ElectricBoogaloo]

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Jane continues to work on her thesis and she decides to add Alba's estranged sister to the narrative, much to Alba's dismay. In order for Rogelio to have a chance at being an American crossover star he decides to bring the Passions of Santos to The CW in hopes they will pick it up. Xo thinks about abandoning her dream of being a singer for something more realistic. Meanwhile, Luisa is forced to make a choice between her family or Rose.

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[ElectricBoogaloo]

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[SeanC]

I was expecting Jane to eventually get in contact with Cecilia, with all the speculation about her motivations.  Though now that she's been mentioned, perhaps that's still to come.

Another strong episode, and they found a fun way to handle Jane eventually having sex.

The jokes about the CW were all obvious, but I still laughed at all of them.

[AmandaPanda]

I absolutely loved that conversation between Jane and Xo at the end about how losing your virginity doesn't mean you're losing your identity. That's such a real thing that women have to come to terms with. I'm so excited that Xo exists on this show as an example of sex positivity. 

[Gin and Tonic]

Xiomara curtsying to Gloria Estefan made me laugh so hard I could barely breathe. Wonderfully played by Andrea Navedo.

[Lady Calypso]

Let me just start off first by saying how awesome the animated scenes were. I had so much fun watching them, especially the second one. What a way to replace a sex scene. 

I also really loved how they handled the loss of Jane's virginity. I thought it was handled quite well. I loved seeing Lina again. I thought her and Xo handing Jane two different pieces of advice worked well. I also love how Xo can provide a sex-positive message. I think it's important for viewers to hear. 

Also, what is equally as important as Jane's loss of virginity is Michael's part in it. His confusion, his disappointment, followed by him watching their own (accidental) sex tape worked so well. I love that he was trying to figure out what went wrong. I guess it ended up being a good thing that Jane accidentally recorded it! Speaking of, Jane's adviser? I think this is the first time I enjoyed her character, even in one scene. 

I love that the show made sure to include Michael's scar. I love little details like that. 

I really do enjoy Rogelio and Dina together. If Rogelio doesn't end up with Xo, I really would love to see him with Dina. At the very least, keep them as "artistic soulmates". I think they're great together, and The CW references really made me laugh. I just kept staring at their posters of The Flash and The 100 behind them during their meeting. Just great all around.

So, the Luisa/Rose scenes worked better than they have in a while for me. I think it's because they both got down to the details that wouldn't make them work in real life. Both got to get angry at each other, even with Rose not having anything to really be angry about. I wonder if they are broken up, but she did let Luisa go home finally. But it looks like Rafael's mom is dead, killed by Rose, and Derek is supposedly dead. I actually hope he is; I never liked his character, or understood him. I wouldn't mind confirmation that he was dead. I don't even care if his dead body ends up in Rafael's bed or office. But it's good that Michael knows that it was really Rose who shot him. I imagine this will make him even more determined to find her once he gets back to work. 

Gloria and Emilio Estefan's cameos made me laugh, especially when Jane told her to shut up. 

So, I guess we may be at least hearing more about Cecilia and Alba. 

I feel really bad that I didn't notice Petra/Anezka's absence in the episode until after I watched the preview for the next episode. But this honestly was such a strong episode and possibly one of my favourites of the series that I don't mind that she wasn't in the episode. I just hope that Petra gets woken up soon.

[Valny]

19 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Gloria and Emilio Estefan's cameos made me laugh, especially when Jane told her to shut up

And what was funnier is she used her full name. "I am so sorry Gloria Estefan."  or someone like that.

[chocolatine]

4 minutes ago, Valny said:

And what was funnier is she used her full name. "I am so sorry Gloria Estefan."  or someone like that.

I would totally be doing the same thing if I ever met a huge celebrity.

[SeanC]

40 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Let me just start off first by saying how awesome the animated scenes were. I had so much fun watching them, especially the second one. What a way to replace a sex scene. 

When Jane and Michael's rocket went underwater in the second scene I was kind of hoping for Rose's submarine to pop up in the background.

[Artsda]

Loved how they did the virginity loss, the animation was great. I actually thought when the space ship went under water they'd find the sub. lol

Loved Rob Lowe being the first choice for the pilot. lol

I think this episode would have worked with just Jane & family. I didn't miss the Petra drama.

[AlliMo]

One thing that I really liked was the acknowledgement that while Jane and Michael may not have had intercourse until after they were married, they still had an active and varied premarital sex life.

Oh, Michael, you sweet summer child, asking Jane not to talk about your sex life. Have you met your wife? Or any woman, for that matter?

This show has such a sweet, gooey center that I'm always just slightly scandalized in the most delightful way when it hits the saucier notes.

[mrsbagnet]

5 hours ago, AmandaPanda said:

I absolutely loved that conversation between Jane and Xo at the end about how losing your virginity doesn't mean you're losing your identity. That's such a real thing that women have to come to terms with. I'm so excited that Xo exists on this show as an example of sex positivity. 

 

4 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

I also really loved how they handled the loss of Jane's virginity. I thought it was handled quite well. I loved seeing Lina again. I thought her and Xo handing Jane two different pieces of advice worked well. I also love how Xo can provide a sex-positive message. I think it's important for viewers to hear. 

I'm so glad that scene with Xo happened. Not just because she explained the virginity-identity connection for Jane, but because it showed that Jane, even as an adult, still needed a sex talk from her mom. She didn't fully understand what it meant to be in a sexual relationship. As much as she likes to be prepared for everything, I'm surprised she didn't talk to Xo about it before her wedding night. Also, for once, Xo gets to be the one giving the best advice.

Edited November 1, 2016 by mrsbagnet

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Yay, Jane and Michael finally got to have sex! I can't wait to see what the title card looks like next week. Jane the Ex-Virgin?

When they initially showed the post-coitus scene where Michael said that they both finished at the same time, I was like really, show? We're going to go that route? So I was glad to see that wasn't actually the case and that instead of being magically able to orgasm simultaneously, Jane and Michael still had to work at it a little bit (and that it was shown as being normal).

I'm also glad that even though Jane is an adult, she was still shown having some doubts after having sex for the first time (which is also normal). I think that because sex is built up to be this Big Thing (and then add to that the kind of garbage abuela has been telling Jane about how a beautiful pure white flower can never be uncrumpled and returned to its original state), it's normal for females to have a minor identity crisis after having sex for the first time. Am I different? Can people tell that I Did It? I expect those kinds of questions when a teenage girl loses her virginity, but I liked that even adult Jane had some emotional reaction even though she was 100% ready to have sex and didn't regret doing it.

4 hours ago, AlliMo said:

One thing that I really liked was the acknowledgement that while Jane and Michael may not have had intercourse until after they were married, they still had an active and varied premarital sex life.

Oh, Michael, you sweet summer child, asking Jane not to talk about your sex life. Have you met your wife? Or any woman, for that matter?

Yes to both of these! I am glad that they made it clear that Jane the Virgin was not Jane the Prude and that she and Michael had obviously been having a healthy sex life with everything but the actual sex.

Part of me totally understands Michael not wanting Jane to talk to Xo and Lina about their sex life and I get that it's a very private part of your life that you don't necessarily want to share with your wife's mom and BFF. But on the other hand, that's also Jane's sex life and she should be able to talk about it with someone openly and honestly - especially after her first time! I know there's a fine line between being able to talk to other people about your sex life (or relationship in general) and being respectful of the other person's privacy, but in this case I felt that Michael was being a bit inconsiderate. I mean, let's look at it from the other point of view. Did he keep it a total secret from everyone in his life that Jane was a virgin? Did he never express his frustration about that to any of his friends? I feel like having sex for the first time IS a big deal and Jane should be able to discuss it (the good, the bad, and everything in between) with Lina or Xo.

Hee, I loved Jane addressing Gloria Estefan by her first and last names. "Stay out of it, Gloria Estefan!" "I'm sorry, Gloria Estefan."

And awwwww for Rogelio sacrificing his one favor in twenty years for Xo.

I thought it was ridiculous for Rose to get offended that Luisa jumped when she startled her. Girl, you have had Luisa trapped underwater for a month, you just gave her a list of people you murdered, and then you walked in quietly while she was reading it. Of course she jumped! It seems a big much for Rose to say, "Why, yes, I murdered a whole bunch of people but that shouldn't bother you at all! You should love me and trust me because I have totally changed! Even though I shot someone RIGHT BEFORE I took you to this submarine! How dare you be jumpy?"

Edited November 1, 2016 by ElectricBoogaloo

[vixenbynight]

ElectricBoogaloo wrote:

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 I thought it was ridiculous for Rose to get offended that Luisa jumped when she startled her. Girl, you have had Luisa trapped underwater for a month, you just gave her a list of people you murdered, and then you walked in quietly while she was reading it. Of course she jumped! It seems a big much for Rose to say, "Why, yes, I murdered a whole bunch of people but that shouldn't bother you at all! You should love me and trust me because I have totally changed! Even though I shot someone RIGHT BEFORE I took you to this submarine! How dare you be jumpy?"

It was ridiculous, but I think that Rose truly believes (in her mind) that Luisa would know and understand that she would never attempt to kill her, that her feelings and love for her, would and should negate the reality of her being a killer. Rose doesn't understand that just because Luisa is on her "no kill list", doesn't take away the fact that Luisa is terrified about who she really is and how dangerous she is to her family.

[Lady Calypso]

3 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Part of me totally understands Michael not wanting Jane to talk to Xo and Lina about their sex life and I get that it's a very private part of your life that you don't necessarily want to share with your wife's mom and BFF. But on the other hand, that's also Jane's sex life and she should be able to talk about it with someone openly and honestly - especially after her first time! I know there's a fine line between being able to talk to other people about your sex life (or relationship in general) and being respectful of the other person's privacy, but in this case I felt that Michael was being a bit inconsiderate. I mean, let's look at it from the other point of view. Did he keep it a total secret from everyone in his life that Jane was a virgin? Did he never express his frustration about that to any of his friends? I feel like having sex for the first time IS a big deal and Jane should be able to discuss it (the good, the bad, and everything in between) with Lina or Xo.

I was actually fine with Michael asking Jane not to give details to people about their sex life. For the both of them, it's a very new thing and sure, Michael didn't understand that maybe Jane needed to talk to someone since it was her first time. But when he found out that there were issues, I think it was more out of embarrassment that he didn't want people to know that they had problems during their first time, especially since Jane already accidentally sent the sex tape to her adviser, who watched it. Someone already had that intimate moment other than them, and I can see that as being the reason why he asked. Even when he found out Lina knew, he didn't even get mad. He went home because something clicked with him and he analyzed the tape to find out what went wrong. So I don't think he was being inconsiderate; maybe just a little dense, and a little naive but probably based off of embarrassment. He probably didn't want Jane's family or friends to know right off the bat that Jane was unable to orgasm.  

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[ScrapNini]

Did anyone else hope that when Michael fell asleep after their first attempt at the sex that he wasn't just sleeping? I really wish that the sex had killed him.... Or was I alone in my disturbing black widow mindset?

[DianeDobbler]

Most Jane/Rafael fans wish Michael would disappear, but he must be better for ratings than Rafael or the show wouldn't have gone in the direction it did. The right direction, IMO.

Jane's advisor - I love Melanie Mayron on this show (she's also a director for Jane the Virgin). The relationship with Jane is very gruff, but I respect the professor, and, IMO, she gives Jane good advice.

Edited November 1, 2016 by DianeDobbler

[movingtargetgal]

9 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

One thing that I really liked was the acknowledgement that while Jane and Michael may not have had intercourse until after they were married, they still had an active and varied premarital sex life.

So now that it has been established that Jane and Michael had an active premarital sex life, with the exception of P and V penetration, should the show have been titled "Jane the Technical Virgin"?  :)  

[Bouffe]

I did not enjoy this episode as much as the majority of the commenters here did. I watched the first three episodes of this current season one after the other (I had missed the first two when they first aired) and I thought this third one was by far the weakest of the three. I wish Jane was with Rafael (and I believe they are far from being done with one another romantically) but I do not wish Michael was dead or that he would disappear. I did however find this episode overly sweet and syrupy. I did like that they kept the sex "real" in that it was not perfect the first time (like a lot of women think it should be). I do think Michael is a genuinely good guy, but he seems to be way too perfect in everything that he does in regards to Jane. 

I kinda like AneskaasPetra and Scott together. They are weird but fun to watch. Rafael's reaction to the two of them together was funny!

PETRA! I want her to be un-petrafied!

[possibilities]

I love this show.

They did so much right this episode. I was genuinely impressed.

I don't really have anything to add to the discussion of Jane's and Michael's story, but I agree with everyone about loving it.

I am trying to figure out what I want them to do about Luisa and Rose, because I really can't think of any way to make Rose redeemable, and I don't think they have even begun to show that she is, so that whole storyline is really unsatisfying to me. What are they trying to do there? Are we supposed to root for them?? Just throwing two women together for hot sex despite that one of them is constantly killing or trying to kill a large number of significant characters on the show is not working for me on any level and seems really gross and exploitive in a way this show isn't usually known for being. Why can't Luisa have a girlfriend who is someone who did NOT kill her father, or try to kill Jane's spouse, someone who has not generally been sowing destruction and anguish since the show began?? Luisa is a basket case since the first episode (she's the cause of the accidental insemination of Jane), but it's not even funny anymore, it's just sad and horrifying the way they use her character.

Petra's mother is a villain but we're supposed to think she's a villain. Rose is a villain who I feel like we're supposed to think is cute, but I don't get it.

Edited November 1, 2016 by possibilities
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[blugirlami21]

I thought the episode was ok.  I'm glad that Jane's first time wasn't perfect, the actual experience rarely lives up to the hype especially when you wait to have sex at a later age.  All the moments that followed also seemed very realistic to me.  I really loved her breakdown at the end about feeling like she's a different person and/or feeling like she lost something.  Very normal things to feel when you are defined by a particular trait for most of your life.

I don't know if we can say that Jane being with Michael instead of Rafael is the reason for the ratings boost.  I think a lot of people were tired of the triangle.  Any solution to that would result in a renewed interest in the show.  It certainly helped with mine.  I'm a huge Jafael shipper but I was tired of the merry go round and I was also tired of Rafael always being made out to be the bad guy.  He's so much lighter, happier, and stronger now that he is no longer in love with Jane and right now I'm fine with that.  

I certainly don't wish that Michael would die or disappear.  Jane made her choice and like Rafael, that made it much easier for me to get over it.  Quickly.  I really hope that they don't ever revisit the triangle.  It does no favors to any one of the people involved in it.  I am looking forward to Rafael finding someone else and what their new dynamic will do for their co-parenting.  

[herbaltease]

I don't know... I'm not disappointed with the new season so far as much as I'm just fed up with Jane.  Gina Rodriguez is incredible and does her damnedest with the role but Jane is still the weakest link for me, ironically.  Too much of the "straight man", IMO, and the other characters are less interesting to me when they're in her orbit.  Jaime Camil is the star of this show in my mind and is the main reason I keep coming back.  I like Bridget Regan in whatever I've seen her in, so I look forward to her performance as JtV's Bond villain.  Yael Groblas is consistently entertaining, as well.  So, I've got several reasons to keep tuning in but Jane ain't one of them and since she's the titular character this likely isn't must-see TV for me any longer.  

[tennisgurl]

"Stay out of it, Gloria Estefan!" I swear, I lost it laughing. Oh my God everything with the Estfans was great. Xo actually curtsied! 

I loved this episode, just like I've loved every episode this season so far. Like everyone else has said, I loved how they handled Jane losing her virginity, and how it affects her identity. And Xo giving Jane her grown up sex talk, it was just really well done. I couldn't have come up with a better way to handle Jane becoming Jane the Former Virgin.

Michael and Jane are still such a great and awesome couple. They have issues, but they're actually issues that make sense, and they talk about them and deal with them like normal people, instead of contrived fighting and bitching. Loved the high five when they finally had their better sex. And I am glad that Michael and Rafael seem to be in a better place in this episode. I hope Rafael continues to be over Jane, and can just be friends with them, instead of a bitter ex.

Abuela also apparently has a Rob Lowe crush! The CW jokes were kind of lame, but I still laughed. "A superhero every day of the week"! Rogelio is still my favorite. I love everyone on this show (except Rosa. She creeps me out, and not in the way I think shes supposed to), but Rogelio is still the best.  

[bilgistic]

  15 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

One thing that I really liked was the acknowledgement that while Jane and Michael may not have had intercourse until after they were married, they still had an active and varied premarital sex life.

So now that it has been established that Jane and Michael had an active premarital sex life, with the exception of P and V penetration, should the show have been titled "Jane the Technical Virgin"?  :)  

Jane the Heteronormative "Virgin"

[Clanstarling]

On 11/1/2016 at 6:31 AM, ScrapNini said:

Did anyone else hope that when Michael fell asleep after their first attempt at the sex that he wasn't just sleeping? I really wish that the sex had killed him.... Or was I alone in my disturbing black widow mindset?

I didn't hope, because I like Michael and Jane together - but the thought did cross my mind.

On 11/1/2016 at 8:31 AM, DianeDobbler said:

Jane's advisor - I love Melanie Mayron on this show (she's also a director for Jane the Virgin). The relationship with Jane is very gruff, but I respect the professor, and, IMO, she gives Jane good advice.

I really like that they show that you can respect and learn valuable lessons from people you don't actually like and who don't like you. I had professors, and one boss, like that. I learned a lot from them, good lessons, even though I hate to admit it.  And I've had some bosses/professors I loved who were pretty worthless in terms of teaching and management.

I laughed hard when Jane tried the gel. That was precisely my experience.

[AudienceofOne]

On 01/11/2016 at 9:44 PM, bilgistic said:

Jane the Heteronormative "Virgin"

Agreed but isn't that the point? That all of this crazy emphasis on a woman's "virginity" has nothing to do with sex or sexuality at all? I mean, she's had a child. She's not a "virgin" at all by definition. This emphasis on penetration is based around the notion that a woman is lessened by sex. It's offensive and I think that this show has done an amazing job with taking the premise and making it work while being really subversive.

[Last Time Lord]

I was not prepared for the laughter the animated sequences caused. Especially the second one.