Grimm Spoilers and Spoiler Discussion

[Free]

3 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Sad because they really should focus on tying up all the loose ends.

It is, but seeing the mess the final season they're in, I wouldn't expect much out of that.

[ShadowFacts]

A previous spoiler said a new threat would emerge in the middle of the season.  Episode 4 is a little short of the middle, so I wonder if Renard's surprise visitor isn't his mother.

[OtterMommy]

7 minutes ago, ShadowFacts said:

A previous spoiler said a new threat would emerge in the middle of the season.  Episode 4 is a little short of the middle, so I wonder if Renard's surprise visitor isn't his mother.

It could be, and that would be welcome.  However, Louise Lombard doesn't have a repeat of Grimm listed in her IMDB credits (which might not mean anything as they were able to keep Elizabeth Tulloch's name under wraps until the episode when EVE appeared).

[Darklazr]

2 hours ago, ShadowFacts said:

A previous spoiler said a new threat would emerge in the middle of the season.  Episode 4 is a little short of the middle, so I wonder if Renard's surprise visitor isn't his mother.

The new threat is the cloth with the symbols and the dead guy with the death grip.

[OtterMommy]

Just now, Darklazr said:

The new threat is the cloth with the symbols and the dead guy with the death grip.

That would be typical of this show.  The big threat, the thing that can turn everyone upside down is....A RAG!

[OtterMommy]

Wow, they're putting these press releases out at lightning speed...

http://www.spoilertv.com/2017/01/grimm-episode-605-seven-year-itch-press.html

I'm not sure I have it in me to watch a touchy-feeling Adalind/Eve scene....

[withanaich]

Oh lordy, now the most specialest child ever has PREMONITIONS too? I don't want to see that. The less we see Diana, the better ... which I guess means she's going to be shoehorned into every episode left. We can't even have Monrosalee without her ruining it.

I don't want to see a touchy-feely Adalind/Eve scene either. No1curr, seriously.

[OtterMommy]

Sneak peak for 6.02

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/12/grimm-episode-602-trust-me-knot-press.html

Now, this should probably go into the Everything Wrong thread, but it is still spoilery...so...

CAN THEY NOT RUIN ONE OF THE SIMPLEST OF SCENES????  Jeez!  They're coming after you Nick!  Run!  Hurry Nick!  Run!  Oh, wait...let's just *STOP EVERYTHING* and talk about babies for a while, mmkay?

Ugh...this show...

Also, we are supposed to get a Frankenstein story line later in the season.  With Meisner's spirit hanging around, I'm starting to fear that we'll end up with Frankenmeisner and that's something I really, really can't handle.....

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1 hour ago, OtterMommy said:

Sneak peak for 6.02

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/12/grimm-episode-602-trust-me-knot-press.html

Now, this should probably go into the Everything Wrong thread, but it is still spoilery...so...

CAN THEY NOT RUIN ONE OF THE SIMPLEST OF SCENES????  Jeez!  They're coming after you Nick!  Run!  Hurry Nick!  Run!  Oh, wait...let's just *STOP EVERYTHING* and talk about babies for a while, mmkay?

Ugh...this show...

Also, we are supposed to get a Frankenstein story line later in the season.  With Meisner's spirit hanging around, I'm starting to fear that we'll end up with Frankenmeisner and that's something I really, really can't handle.....

You know by now they care more about contrived baby plots with the way that's dragged down the series.

[neuromom]

On 1/9/2017 at 9:15 AM, OtterMommy said:

That would be typical of this show.  The big threat, the thing that can turn everyone upside down is....A RAG!

A stick...a rag....they sure are saving on their budget for props. I wonder where they will invest that money? (CGI, etc)

[OtterMommy]

This interview with Sasha Roiz is *just* spoilerish enough for me to post this here instead of the media thread.  Some nice parts, but man...my eyeballs are sore from all the rolling....

http://www.blastr.com/2017-1-10/exclusive-why-grimms-sasha-roiz-terrified-shows-dark-final-season

[ShadowFacts]

Yeah, eyerolling indeed.  He thinks the writers did a great job.  This bit has me a little concerned:

That's especially true since the final episode of the series, Episode 13, is filming right now. Reggie Lee (Wu) and Russell Hornsby (Hank) wrapped last Thursday. "It's hard to watch. At the same time, we're all very grateful," he said.

The way filming goes, it doesn't necessarily mean Hank and Wu don't make it to the end, but it seems ominous. 

[withanaich]

I don't know if Sasha's kind words here really mean anything. What's he going to say, that it turned into a shitfest? As annoyed as I'm sure at least some of the cast is, you can't go around burning bridges like that. He's just being professional, and as ridiculous as things got on the show for the viewers, it was probably still a lot of fun to film. 

What I found somewhat interesting is the reveal that they're going to be "done" with the Royals and Black Claw before the end of the season.

[Free]

1 hour ago, ShadowFacts said:

Yeah, eyerolling indeed.  He thinks the writers did a great job.  This bit has me a little concerned:

That's especially true since the final episode of the series, Episode 13, is filming right now. Reggie Lee (Wu) and Russell Hornsby (Hank) wrapped last Thursday. "It's hard to watch. At the same time, we're all very grateful," he said.

The way filming goes, it doesn't necessarily mean Hank and Wu don't make it to the end, but it seems ominous. 

I'm not surprised as they would be the most likely candidates.

[OtterMommy]

13 hours ago, ShadowFacts said:

Yeah, eyerolling indeed.  He thinks the writers did a great job.  This bit has me a little concerned:

That's especially true since the final episode of the series, Episode 13, is filming right now. Reggie Lee (Wu) and Russell Hornsby (Hank) wrapped last Thursday. "It's hard to watch. At the same time, we're all very grateful," he said.

The way filming goes, it doesn't necessarily mean Hank and Wu don't make it to the end, but it seems ominous. 

Maybe, maybe not.  Apparently there is a big fight scene in Monroe and Rosalee's house that the entire cast is involved in.  This might be the "big" scene of the show (with maybe a closure scene or two with Nick afterwards).  Episode scenes are not filmed in order and, frequently, they try to schedule filming so actors can have their scenes done with as close together as possible.

That being said, if I had to pick people to die, Hank and/or Wu are definitely on the likely list.

 

11 hours ago, withanaich said:

I don't know if Sasha's kind words here really mean anything. What's he going to say, that it turned into a shitfest? As annoyed as I'm sure at least some of the cast is, you can't go around burning bridges like that. He's just being professional, and as ridiculous as things got on the show for the viewers, it was probably still a lot of fun to film. 

What I found somewhat interesting is the reveal that they're going to be "done" with the Royals and Black Claw before the end of the season.

Yeah, as I've said before...there's a reason we see so many interviews with Sasha Roiz, Elizabeth Tulloch, and Claire Coffee and not so many with David Giuntoli or Silas Weir Mitchell.  Those three (SR, ET, and CC) seem especially skilled at being able to talk the required line, not give anything away, and not make the show look bad.  SWM and, lately, DG have far less of a filter.  Of course, the WORST people to interview are Kouf and Greenwalt...

[ShadowFacts]

1 hour ago, withanaich said:

I don't know if Sasha's kind words here really mean anything. What's he going to say, that it turned into a shitfest? As annoyed as I'm sure at least some of the cast is, you can't go around burning bridges like that. He's just being professional, and as ridiculous as things got on the show for the viewers, it was probably still a lot of fun to film. 

What I found somewhat interesting is the reveal that they're going to be "done" with the Royals and Black Claw before the end of the season.

He can't say anything overtly negative, but it's funny to call the writing great.  Interesting, fun, crazy, anything but great.

The way I took his statement about the Royals and Black Claw being done was that they already are done and now the season can proceed without them, and focus on the main characters. 

2 minutes ago, OtterMommy said:

Maybe, maybe not.  Apparently there is a big fight scene in Monroe and Rosalee's house that the entire cast is involved in.  This might be the "big" scene of the show (with maybe a closure scene or two with Nick afterwards).  Episode scenes are not filmed in order and, frequently, they try to schedule filming so actors can have their scenes done with as close together as possible.

Oh, no, first Nick's house, now Monroe and Rosalee's.  Bummer.

[OtterMommy]

8 minutes ago, ShadowFacts said:

He can't say anything overtly negative, but it's funny to call the writing great.  Interesting, fun, crazy, anything but great.

The way I took his statement about the Royals and Black Claw being done was that they already are done and now the season can proceed without them, and focus on the main characters. 

 

I agree on both points.  You can NOT say the writing is great and still not say it is utterly craptastic.  I will say that DG is probably more telling.  If you read his end-of-series interviews, he talks about how he loves Portland, that he "grew up with this show", that he fell in love on this show, that the cast is his family...but he is notably silent about what he actually thinks of the show.

And, for your second point...yeah, I totally read that like, "Royals...done!  Black Claw...done!  Now we're onto something new (with only half of a half season left)!  The thing is, though...they aren't actually done with the Royals and they aren't actually done with Black Claw.  The Royals still exist and they still have a legal claim on Diana and, presumably, Viktor still hates Renard.  Black Claw still exists outside of Portland.  But, again, were supposed to accept that this show will never tie up any loose ends.

Edited January 11, 2017 by OtterMommy

[Prevailing Wind]

I just hope the stained-glass window on Monroe's front door survives.

[Darklazr]

I never expect savvy actors to trash talk their current jobs in hopes of finding something new after a gig is over!

20 hours ago, OtterMommy said:

This interview with Sasha Roiz is *just* spoilerish enough for me to post this here instead of the media thread.  Some nice parts, but man...my eyeballs are sore from all the rolling....

http://www.blastr.com/2017-1-10/exclusive-why-grimms-sasha-roiz-terrified-shows-dark-final-season

I agree with SR, there should have been scenes between Renard and the King.  The Captain should have been involved in going after the Royal's and rescuing Diana from his father, but instead he was sidelined along with a pregnant Adalind.    

As for winding down after six seasons, ummmmm no.  There were more stories to tell by creative writers not throwing shit in the air and hoping something sticks.

[Free]

25 minutes ago, Darklazr said:

I never expect savvy actors to trash talk their current jobs in hopes of finding something new after a gig is over!

Agreed, they're just biding their time with the show on its way out.

[OtterMommy]

1 hour ago, Darklazr said:

As for winding down after six seasons, ummmmm no.  There were more stories to tell by creative writers not throwing shit in the air and hoping something sticks.

Every time I hear someone say that they "ran out of stories" I just want to scream.  They did not run out of stories:

* There are over 200 Grimm fairy tales.  Yes, some of them are repetitive (there are about 5 "cinderella" stories), but the show COULD have told the same story multiple ways in multiple episodes.  And hell, they should have taken another shot at Cinderella, because their one and only take on it was horrendous.

* The Grimm brothers were not the only ones who recorded or wrote fairy tales.  There are hundreds, if not thousands, of just European fairy tales out there.  Add in the rest of the world and it is basically an endless supply.

* Even if the fairy tale is, how should I put this, "symbolic," they still could have done an episode using the message of the fairy tale.

* The few times they used folk tales were some of their most successful episodes...so do more of that!

* Instead of just forgetting about the keys, they should have worked it so Nick found one key every season or so, then give him another season or two to figure out what the keys are for.  Voila--nine seasons right there!

* They didn't have to do a episode based on other work for *every* episode.  I would have been happy if they did 50% retellings and 50% originals

* If they honestly had exhausted every fairy tale, folktale, and urban legend, then there is a whole other world of literature they could have used.

Here's the thing...as soon as Sasha Roiz made the comment about them running out of material, I knew this was one of those interviews where he's just delivering the company line...well, that and the writing is great.  I refuse to believe that SR is dumb enough to think that is decent writing.  At that point, I quit believing pretty much anything he said.  Of course, there is nothing wrong with that--it IS his job--and I certainly did not expect him to say that the show had becoming a stinking floater, but I don't actually believe that he believes what he says.

Edited January 11, 2017 by OtterMommy

[Darklazr]

8 hours ago, OtterMommy said:

Every time I hear someone say that they "ran out of stories" I just want to scream.  They did not run out of stories:

* There are over 200 Grimm fairy tales.  Yes, some of them are repetitive (there are about 5 "cinderella" stories), but the show COULD have told the same story multiple ways in multiple episodes.  And hell, they should have taken another shot at Cinderella, because their one and only take on it was horrendous.

* The Grimm brothers were not the only ones who recorded or wrote fairy tales.  There are hundreds, if not thousands, of just European fairy tales out there.  Add in the rest of the world and it is basically an endless supply.

* Even if the fairy tale is, how should I put this, "symbolic," they still could have done an episode using the message of the fairy tale.

* The few times they used folk tales were some of their most successful episodes...so do more of that!

* Instead of just forgetting about the keys, they should have worked it so Nick found one key every season or so, then give him another season or two to figure out what the keys are for.  Voila--nine seasons right there!

* They didn't have to do a episode based on other work for *every* episode.  I would have been happy if they did 50% retellings and 50% originals

* If they honestly had exhausted every fairy tale, folktale, and urban legend, then there is a whole other world of literature they could have used.

Here's the thing...as soon as Sasha Roiz made the comment about them running out of material, I knew this was one of those interviews where he's just delivering the company line...well, that and the writing is great.  I refuse to believe that SR is dumb enough to think that is decent writing.  At that point, I quit believing pretty much anything he said.  Of course, there is nothing wrong with that--it IS his job--and I certainly did not expect him to say that the show had becoming a stinking floater, but I don't actually believe that he believes what he says.

That's it!  Let's setup a GoFundMe and take over Grimm at the end of s6, episode 13!  Seriously.  Yes, SR is towing the company line, but come on!  We can take the next 101 episodes and resolve all of the 100 plus plot holes and utilize all of the fantastic fairytale stories that the writers ignored.

[OtterMommy]

Over on the 6.01 thread, there was a question about living arrangements this season...here's what I know...

* Trubel seems to be gone (at least for a while) after 6.02, so we don't need to worry about her

* Adalind seems to come back to the loft, but there are also quite a few scenes coming up where she and Renard are in a very, very swanky West Hills home.  I mean, it is gorgeous and I would probably go a little hexen just for a chance to live there.

*Monroe and Rosalee seem to be in their own house up through the end of the season.  Whether or not their house is still standing when the final credits roll is anyone's guess.

* Eve/Juliette doesn't seem to leave the tunnels for about 3 episodes, after that  I don't know except that it seems that ET and DG have a lot of "on location" scenes for the last half of the season

* I have no clue where Nick is during all this.  DG has gone a bit social media silent (and I think there are a few reasons for that).  From what we've seen--posts by ET, BT, and CC, it doesn't LOOK like Nick goes back to the loft, but--again--I can only go by what has been posted.  There do seem to be a lot of scenes between Rosalee, Adalind, and Julette/Eve in the loft though....

So, we'll see how it all goes.

[OtterMommy]

http://www.spoilertv.com/2017/01/grimm-episode-604-el-cuegle-press.html

Promo pics from 6.04.  Lots of Adalind...I may have to do some liberal fast-forwarding on this one.  And, yes, Nick is definitely back as a detective here.

ETA:  How the hell did I miss Damien Puckler the first time I saw these pics????????

Edited January 13, 2017 by OtterMommy

[ShadowFacts]

Wow, so Renard's unexpected guest is Meisner!  I guess then that previous spoiler where the question was would Meisner be resurrected and would Adalind have a happily ever after with him, with the answers being yes and no not necessarily in that order -- if Meisner is resurrected then Adalind won't be getting with him.  Not too surprising since she's so in loooove with Nick, but I really didn't think Meisner would be back.  Shazam, that stick sure has power.  I really hate it when death is meaningless on shows. 

[OtterMommy]

Just now, ShadowFacts said:

Wow, so Renard's unexpected guest is Meisner!  I guess then that previous spoiler where the question was would Meisner be resurrected and would Adalind have a happily ever after with him, with the answers being yes and no not necessarily in that order -- if Meisner is resurrected then Adalind won't be getting with him.  Not too surprising since she's so in loooove with Nick, but I really didn't think Meisner would be back.  Shazam, that stick sure has power.  I really hate it when death is meaningless on shows. 

If you look at the pictures Damien Puckler and Sasha Roiz are wearing the same clothes (only they don't fit Puckler as well--damn).  I don't think Meisner will be resurrected, but he might somehow inhabit Renard (which is incredibly stupid, even more than the whole "Eve" thing), which would open the door to the Meisner/Adalind HEA, which I would support--not because I think it is clever, interesting, or even worth my time to watch.  But because it would mean the end of Nadalind.

[ShadowFacts]

Oh no, not a retread of Renard and Jack the Ripper, that is so beyond cheesy. 

[OtterMommy]

Just now, ShadowFacts said:

Oh no, not a retread of Renard and Jack the Ripper, that is so beyond cheesy. 

Well, since just about everything on this show is a retread, I wouldn't be surprised.

[OtterMommy]

http://www.spoilertv.com/2016/12/grimm-episode-602-trust-me-knot-press.html

Another sneak peak for 602 with some strong acting from Russell Hornsby.

[ShadowFacts]

Go Hank!

[OtterMommy]

http://tvline.com/2016/12/29/grimm-final-season-6-spoilers-rosalee-baby/

Reposting this from above.  I mentioned it in the 602 thread and someone wanted to read it.  (Sorry, I said it was from THe Oregonian, but its from TVline)

[Darklazr]

https://www.thegate.ca/television/027564/david-giuntoli-talks-grims-sixth-final-season/

 

http://tvline.com/2017/01/20/grimm-recap-season-6-episode-3-nick-becomes-renard-oh-captain-my-captain/

[GaT]

So, according to the preview they're just going back to the monster of the week formula next week? That's it?

[bluvelvet]

Didn't they say in interviews that the show is going to come full circle. So I guess it goes back to where they started. 

[Darklazr]

6 hours ago, GaT said:

So, according to the preview they're just going back to the monster of the week formula next week? That's it?

Yes, it's dumb, AF.  

The show should have always maintained its wesen of the week and fairytale formula, with just a small element of the Royal's, Resistance, BC, HW and resolution of the keys over ten years!

[Darklazr]

http://images.spoilertv.com/grimm/Season 6/Promotional Episode Photos/Episode 6.05 - The Seven Year Itch/NUP_175600_1103.JPG.php

[Darklazr]

http://www.spoilersguide.com/grimm/

[tricknasty]

So The Seven Year Itch = Jeepers Creepers?

[Darklazr]

http://www.screenspy.com/articles/grimm-spoilers-6-06-breakfast-in-bed/4/

http://images.spoilertv.com/grimm/Season 6/Promotional Episode Photos/Episode 6.07 - Blind Love/NUP_176045_0023.JPG.php

http://www.spoilertv.com/2017/01/grimm-episode-608-son-also-rises-press.html

[Darklazr]

http://www.tvguide.com/news/grimm-video-juliette-take-over-eve/

.... Sigh.  

[Prevailing Wind]

Oh, like we didn't see THAT coming?

[icewolf]

Adalind's death incoming in 3... 2.... 1.... to make way for the NickJuliette ship.

Diana will grow up super quickly into stupid sexy teen and be taken out of the storyline, so Juliette can raise the baby Kelly with Nick.

Nick's mom will also be revealed to be alive if they want to complete the Juliette redemption.

[Darklazr]

3 hours ago, icewolf said:

Adalind's death incoming in 3... 2.... 1.... to make way for the NickJuliette ship.

Diana will grow up super quickly into stupid sexy teen and be taken out of the storyline, so Juliette can raise the baby Kelly with Nick.

Nick's mom will also be revealed to be alive if they want to complete the Juliette redemption.

Sigh.  You're probably right.  I personally think Nick, Renard, Adalind and JulietteEve should never reconcile romantically with each other and save us all from being grossed out by their sexual exploits with each other.  Blech. Diana should either be dead (I vote death each and every time!) or she should now morph into an adult and leave town.  Yes, I have a deep fear that Momma Grimm being alive will mean the uber special snowflake is being redeemed, again!

[Darklazr]

http://www.screenspy.com/articles/grimm-scoop-crazy-stupid-love-pushes-nicks-friends-brink/

[orza]

So they are doing their version of A Midsummer Night's Dream. Will Wu be Bottom?

[TobinAlbers]

New Spoiler from TVLine

What can you tease about Eve/Juliette’s journey on Grimm? —Jen C.
Bitsie Tulloch tells us that Eve — who’s becoming more and more like Juliette these days, eh? — has “an intimate connection” with Adalind and Renard’s daughter, Diana, “that is unexpected.”

She really could've worded that differently to not sound so creepy, LOL.

And yeah, Adalind is toast if Diana is bonding with Juliette. While Juliette and Adalind have every right to hate each other, it rubs me the wrong way that Diana is supposedly going to have an intimate bond with Juliette to facilitate their possibly becoming a happy family with Nick and Kelly if/when Adalind bites it.

Of course many of us had Kelly as somehow being Juliette and Nick's baby due to some Hexenbeisty womb switch crap, but how the heck could they swing that with Diana if they decided to go there?

[Darklazr]

5 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

New Spoiler from TVLine

What can you tease about Eve/Juliette’s journey on Grimm? —Jen C.
Bitsie Tulloch tells us that Eve — who’s becoming more and more like Juliette these days, eh? — has “an intimate connection” with Adalind and Renard’s daughter, Diana, “that is unexpected.”

She really could've worded that differently to not sound so creepy, LOL.

And yeah, Adalind is toast if Diana is bonding with Juliette. While Juliette and Adalind have every right to hate each other, it rubs me the wrong way that Diana is supposedly going to have an intimate bond with Juliette to facilitate their possibly becoming a happy family with Nick and Kelly if/when Adalind bites it.

Of course many of us had Kelly as somehow being Juliette and Nick's baby due to some Hexenbeisty womb switch crap, but how the heck could they swing that with Diana if they decided to go there?

I am sure the connection has to do with that stupid stick.

I would have been perfectly happy if Monroe and Rosalie had the only kids on this show, because Grimm has turned into baby Momma & Daddy drama with Diana and Kelly.  Sheesh.

[Free]

11 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

New Spoiler from TVLine

What can you tease about Eve/Juliette’s journey on Grimm? —Jen C.
Bitsie Tulloch tells us that Eve — who’s becoming more and more like Juliette these days, eh? — has “an intimate connection” with Adalind and Renard’s daughter, Diana, “that is unexpected.”

She really could've worded that differently to not sound so creepy, LOL.

And yeah, Adalind is toast if Diana is bonding with Juliette. While Juliette and Adalind have every right to hate each other, it rubs me the wrong way that Diana is supposedly going to have an intimate bond with Juliette to facilitate their possibly becoming a happy family with Nick and Kelly if/when Adalind bites it.

Of course many of us had Kelly as somehow being Juliette and Nick's baby due to some Hexenbeisty womb switch crap, but how the heck could they swing that with Diana if they decided to go there?

Of course they have to make it as forced and contrived as possible.  The Eve/Hexenbiest stuff was a huge mistake.

[Darklazr]

https://voiceoftv.com/grimm-6x09-tree-people-advance-review-promotional-photos-and-press-release

[Darklazr]

http://www.spoilertv.com/2017/02/grimm-episode-611-where-wild-things.html