kalibean March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 (edited) I'm with y'all on some of the gals being a little too lean. I know a lot of it is build, like how Kelli has a six pack that genetically many other women couldn't replicate, but part of me thinks a solid third of this crew would look amazing with an extra five pounds. Kelli says it best...five pounds on the waist takes five years off the face! I appreciate lean (Mandy) but some girls are looking just a bit stringy. There doesn't seem to be any curvier girls like Danielle, either. Edited March 22, 2017 by kalibean Damn you, autocorrect. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3103883
ByTor March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 9 hours ago, raindancer said: Maggie and the Heathers Sounds like the name of an Indie band :) 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3103983
Jaxratchet March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 (edited) On 3/20/2017 at 8:28 PM, sleepyjean said: I'm sorry but this is mess! Tess, Mandy, and Kelli Q are all way over tanned! Tess's face looks orange, IMO. I also wish she wouldn't have straightened her hair! When they told her to keep her curls I loved her, it separated her from Bess and Simone. Now they all look alike! I think she needs her natural curl in this calendar! Khalyn's suit is ugly! And I'm dead at "potato head pink" Edited March 22, 2017 by Josreason 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3104239
LaurenBrook March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 Still not changing my opinion of Tasha...I think she is adorable. Her IG story yesterday about her husband giving their daughter a waterbottle to take to school that said "put on some lipstick and hustle" made me laugh out loud. 1 minute ago, Josreason said: I'm sorry but this is mess! Tess, Mandy, and Kelli Q are all way over tanned! Tess's face looks orange, IMO. I also wish she wouldn't have straightened her hair! When they told her to keep her curls I loved her, it separated her from Bess and Simone. Now they all look alike! I think she needs her natural curl in this calendar! Yeah, I loved Tess's curls for that reason...she looks way too much like Bess with straight hair. Hopefully they have more natural tans for the actual shoot because the orange is strong with these ones. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3104250
Originalroux March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 19 hours ago, ATLGirl said: I don't feel qualified to judge the appearance of any of these gals because I haven't worn a bikini since I saw six. And if I did, it would be like Godzilla invading Tokyo. People running and screaming in all directions. Not DCC related but can I paraphrase your sentence above? Something like "I don't wear a bikini because it would be like Godzilla invading Tokyo- people would be running and screaming in all directions." I need it on a tshirt, it's my new summer motto! 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3104326
ATLGirl March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Originalroux said: Not DCC related but can I paraphrase your sentence above? Something like "I don't wear a bikini because it would be like Godzilla invading Tokyo- people would be running and screaming in all directions." I need it on a tshirt, it's my new summer motto! Only if you make a second one for me! ? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3104770
HowdeeDo March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 A bit more optimistic about swimsuits from this video. Everyone looks great (though one suit Milan is wearing does look weird). Simone, Kashara, and Mandy are flirting with being "heavy". 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3105269
Guest March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 Aw that video was cute. Dang Kelsey can just rock any bikini. I loved the video ending with Holly dancing, she's adorbs. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3105382
ATLGirl March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 I ❤️❤️❤️ Kashara! She reminds me of Schram with her down to earth personality but still playful and funny. If I had a chance to meet any of these ladies, it would be K. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3105741
Oranaiche March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 8 hours ago, QuiteContraryMoni said: I've seen her with a nude/pink glossy lip and it's SO much prettier. It takes years off her complexion. She's by no means old but she's older than lots of DCCs, and as we age, generally, the less dramatic the look, the better. Of course, there are exceptions. So when it's old-ass her at 28 (i'm being facetious here) or whatever and a bunch of fetuses, she can tend toward an older look if she's not careful with her hair and makeup. I think her hair color is great, and her makeup is always flawless, it's just that LIP! She's 26ish, which honestly there have been a lot of DCCs over 25, and a lot of them have looked younger than her. It's just so strange how much styling can age someone, and it makes me chuckle a little that she's probably going for the opposite effect. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3105820
California Girl March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 37 minutes ago, ATLGirl said: I ❤️❤️❤️ Kashara! She reminds me of Schram with her down to earth personality but still playful and funny. If I had a chance to meet any of these ladies, it would be K. It is the Kentucky girl in her. You can take the girl out of Kentucky, but you can't take the Kentucky out of the girl. My hubby and I lived in Louisville the year our oldest child (now a sophomore in college!) was born. Kentuckians are hands down the nicest people anywhere we've ever lived. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3105904
Oranaiche March 22, 2017 Share March 22, 2017 19 minutes ago, QuiteContraryMoni said: God are you serious?! 26? I know we've been over this a million times but child ain't gettin any younger. I will say that I don't necessarily mind that someone has an older look, it's just sort of shocking to me, that's all. Yeah, she graduated high school in 2009 so assuming she was 18, that would make her 25 or 26 now depending on when her birthday is. It's kind of surprising because she does kind of look like she's 30ish to me. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3105930
ATLGirl March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, California Girl said: It is the Kentucky girl in her. You can take the girl out of Kentucky, but you can't take the Kentucky out of the girl. My hubby and I lived in Louisville the year our oldest child (now a sophomore in college!) was born. Kentuckians are hands down the nicest people anywhere we've ever lived. Almost all of my mother's side of the family are from northern Kentucky (many moved to Dayton in the 1950s), so it's little wonder I like her so much. ? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3106456
raindancer March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 Yuko rocked that dark blue bikini, she looked adorable. Loved Jinelle in the light blue, and Kelsey in the black. The girls all looked amazing though, super cute video!! 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3107051
Cheerio34 March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 Anyone know where they get these swimsuits? I actually love Holly's bright yellow one.... and Maggie's light blue. Not that I would look like that in them.. *smiles through the pain of always wanting french fries* 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3107459
Sarah99 March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Cheerio34 said: Anyone know where they get these swimsuits? I actually love Holly's bright yellow one.... and Maggie's light blue. Not that I would look like that in them.. *smiles through the pain of always wanting french fries* I think they are from a variety of designers. Judy posted about a couple of designers on Twitter a few weeks back: https://twitter.com/Despiswimwear https://twitter.com/pilyqswimwear Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3107813
Guest March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 I know Allie got the purple one from Becca Swim. Also, yes Tasha is my age and looks about 5 years older. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3108145
autumdusk March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, heatherrrrz said: Also, yes Tasha is my age and looks about 5 years older. Yeah no way she's 1-2 years older than me. I don't believe it. She's a *hard* 25/26. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3108176
Guest March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, autumdusk said: Yeah no way she's 1-2 years older than me. I don't believe it. She's a *hard* 25/26. It's partially because she's a mom, but my friend who's a mom that's a year older than me looks her age. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3108206
autumdusk March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 Just now, heatherrrrz said: It's partially because she's a mom, but my friend who's a mom that's a year older than me looks her age. Oh yeah...True, okay, I can understand that. I doubt kids really let you get much sleep haha. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3108215
California Girl March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3108276
LaurenBrook March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 Raylee has grown on me SO much...she is coming across a lot more poised and mature and DANG she is beautiful! I thought all the girls look great I just really hate KaShara's hair right now and some of the suits they picked for certain girls were horrid. That one piece Tasha had on did NOTHING for her and Chantel's was gross. Can I have Kelli's abs please, thank you. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3108446
tobeyoungagain March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 13 hours ago, QuiteContraryMoni said: Totally. I looked at Yuko and sorta changed my previously cemented mind lol. She looked great. All of them did. I guess it goes to show how powerful good (and bad) photos are! Yeah Yuko looked adorbs in the blue suit! Made me want to shift my belly rolls out of the way so I could get up and order that bikini. I must be the only one who doesn't seem the appeal of Raylee... I don't know but that weird color hair just seems stripperish to me (that plus the name). Not sure about Allie - she should count her lucky stars that she made the team given her square figure. She must be a great performer. She's adorable in real life I'm sure but by DCC standards, I get what Kelli was saying about her looking square Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3108754
bigskygirl March 23, 2017 Author Share March 23, 2017 I chuckle when Kelli says small town beauty salons do not do a good job with hair color and hair cuts while makeovers during TC are going on. No offense Kelli, but after seeing the makeovers the girls get I would not be boasting about larger city salons doing a better job. I think the makeup and hair on the girls make them look older in a bad way and not have the All American Girl Next Door look. I would love to take the girls to where I get my hair cuts/hair color/highlights done at because the stylists there would do a much better job than the fancy place the DCCs and Training Camp Candidates go to. Sorry Kelli, but the wrong hair do along with too much makeup and tanning does not make for a good look. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3109071
Guest March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 Pretty sure all we have are small town salons around here unless you go to a supercuts and aint no one want to get their hair colored there. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3109151
cgloss March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 No one had a wow makeover to me this past year, but I always enjoyed Rainier's (sp?) makeovers in the past. Even if I didn't necessarily care for the new style, he always made me laugh in how he wasn't afraid to go toe to toe with Kelli. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3109179
bigskygirl March 23, 2017 Author Share March 23, 2017 I also would like to know what Texas blonde means. Does this mean each state has their own version of blonde hair color? Ha! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3109207
Guest March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, bigskygirl said: I also would like to know what Texas blonde means. Does this mean each state has their own version of blonde hair color? Ha! Texas Blond(e) 1. An unnaturally blonde-haired female who does not have the other natural features typical in lighter-haired individuals such as light-colored eyes (blue, green, or gray). 2. A darker-haired lady with brown eyes who has dyed her hair blonde. That blond(e) has brown eyes. She must be a Texas blond(e)! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3109257
RhiRhi March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, tobeyoungagain said: Yeah Yuko looked adorbs in the blue suit! Made me want to shift my belly rolls out of the way so I could get up and order that bikini. I must be the only one who doesn't seem the appeal of Raylee... I don't know but that weird color hair just seems stripperish to me (that plus the name). Not sure about Allie - she should count her lucky stars that she made the team given her square figure. She must be a great performer. She's adorable in real life I'm sure but by DCC standards, I get what Kelli was saying about her looking square Allie's best friend from college is Charlotte Jones' daughter Hayley so she's never getting cut. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3109262
RazzleberryPie March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 Interesting that Allie looked 'square' during auditions, but doesn't look square in the swimsuits. Milan is the one who looks oddly square. Maybe its the suits they picked for her. Tasha is a professional fit model and looked horrendous in that white one piece, so who knows. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3109327
LadyMsJay March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, RazzleberryPie said: Interesting that Allie looked 'square' during auditions, but doesn't look square in the swimsuits. Milan is the one who looks oddly square. Maybe its the suits they picked for her. Tasha is a professional fit model and looked horrendous in that white one piece, so who knows. I was thinking the same thing. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3109550
bigskygirl March 23, 2017 Author Share March 23, 2017 Swimsuit Calendar Fittings Pictures. http://www.dallascowboys.com/galleries/2017/03/23/dcc-calendar-swimsuit-fitting?sf65446859=1#414851 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3109652
JayDKay March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 3 hours ago, RazzleberryPie said: Interesting that Allie looked 'square' during auditions, but doesn't look square in the swimsuits. Milan is the one who looks oddly square. Maybe its the suits they picked for her. Tasha is a professional fit model and looked horrendous in that white one piece, so who knows. Yeah I don't know why they just picked on Allie for looking 'square'. Milan & Jessika are also quite straight up and down. Which ain't a bad thing.. Everyone has different body shapes! 7 hours ago, LaurenBrook said: Raylee has grown on me SO much...she is coming across a lot more poised and mature and DANG she is beautiful! I thought all the girls look great I just really hate KaShara's hair right now and some of the suits they picked for certain girls were horrid. That one piece Tasha had on did NOTHING for her and Chantel's was gross. Can I have Kelli's abs please, thank you. I LOVE Raylee! I've always thought she was absolutely stunning but she is really coming into her own now. And yeah why did they give Kashara a mullet? Maggie is absolutely gorgeous! Like whoa! And LOVE Jinelle is that red suit! 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3109935
MrsEVH March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 3 hours ago, RhiRhi said: Allie's best friend from college is Charlotte Jones' daughter Hayley so she's never getting cut. Could be why she made the team. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3109948
Jess14 March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, bigskygirl said: Swimsuit Calendar Fittings Pictures. http://www.dallascowboys.com/galleries/2017/03/23/dcc-calendar-swimsuit-fitting?sf65446859=1#414851 Tess looks like she just has on a bra and panties in the first pic (red top, cream bottom), IMao. I kinda like the first swimsuit that Jenna has on in black, but I don't like the nude colored one at all. Jinelle looks too thin IMO. I agree with those who said that Yuko is adorable. I don't care for Raylee's hair in these pics, but she is very photogenic. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3110246
RazzleberryPie March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 Tess has an odd suit, but she might have the best body on the team. They need to give her a bigger top. She looks even better than Kelsi and Stephanie to me. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3110292
twinkietwin94 March 23, 2017 Share March 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, Jess14 said: Tess looks like she just has on a bra and panties in the first pic (red top, cream bottom), IMao. I kinda like the first swimsuit that Jenna has on in black, but I don't like the nude colored one at all. Jinelle looks too thin IMO. I agree with those who said that Yuko is adorable. I don't care for Raylee's hair in these pics, but she is very photogenic. That nude one on Jenna looks like it better be pasted on on bottom or one wrong move and she'll be flashing the world. Yuko looks adorable in the floral bikini and I heart Jinelle. And I'm starting to think next year may just be the Jenna show and not sure I'm happy with that 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3110306
tobeyoungagain March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 5 hours ago, RhiRhi said: Allie's best friend from college is Charlotte Jones' daughter Hayley so she's never getting cut. wha? get out ... is that true? yeah she aint getting cut if that's the case. Although for some reason I thought her special pull was that she was Holly's bff? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3110395
RhiRhi March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 3 hours ago, tobeyoungagain said: wha? get out ... is that true? yeah she aint getting cut if that's the case. Although for some reason I thought her special pull was that she was Holly's bff? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3111073
kalibean March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 10 hours ago, bigskygirl said: I also would like to know what Texas blonde means. Does this mean each state has their own version of blonde hair color? Ha! They just might! I can't speak to Texas blonde, but Dallas blonde tends to be icier, more towards the platinum scale, versus the yellow blondes that come through. Think Loren pre makeover. Those blondes tend to get a bit brassy and the color and hair both look heavy. I've lived here way too long. (Also, I'm a redhead ??) 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3111126
raindancer March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 10 hours ago, bigskygirl said: Does this mean each state has their own version of blonde hair color? Ha! 11 minutes ago, kalibean said: They just might! Michigan blonde is the unfortunately skunky kind - as in, white blonde on top, with dark brown or black underneath that shows up in the middle as stripes. Kind of like this girl, only not as cute: Bonus points if you have Upper Peninsula radded bangs to go with it. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3111156
RazzleberryPie March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 12 hours ago, tobeyoungagain said: wha? get out ... is that true? yeah she aint getting cut if that's the case. Although for some reason I thought her special pull was that she was Holly's bff? Holly has some strategic Bffs. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3111452
LaurenBrook March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 13 hours ago, RazzleberryPie said: Tess has an odd suit, but she might have the best body on the team. They need to give her a bigger top. She looks even better than Kelsi and Stephanie to me. Agreed, Tess looks fantastic! ! tan was a little orange for the shoot but i think it'll be fine by the time they get shooting. 15 hours ago, MrsEVH said: Could be why she made the team. In all fairness, Allie is an INCREDIBLE dancer. She had some clips on her IG stories last night for TBT and one was from her solo last year. So high energy and she just has a great performance quality. I guess i could be giving too much benefit of the doubt but I think allie earned her spot and their only real concern was her build. I don't even see her and Holly hanging out much? I think they get a long like sisters but not BFF...Holly seems to hang out more with the girls closer to her age (Sam, etc.) 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3111550
Guest March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 (edited) Dangg I want Jinelle's body. 23 minutes ago, LaurenBrook said: Agreed, Tess looks fantastic! ! tan was a little orange for the shoot but i think it'll be fine by the time they get shooting. In all fairness, Allie is an INCREDIBLE dancer. She had some clips on her IG stories last night for TBT and one was from her solo last year. So high energy and she just has a great performance quality. I guess i could be giving too much benefit of the doubt but I think allie earned her spot and their only real concern was her build. I don't even see her and Holly hanging out much? I think they get a long like sisters but not BFF...Holly seems to hang out more with the girls closer to her age (Sam, etc.) Yeah, I'm not even sure that they're friends anymore? I always see Allie hanging out with the Heathers. Dangg I want Jinelle's body. Edited March 24, 2017 by heatherrrrz Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3111589
Slate March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 I love Allie's smile. I agree, she's a talented dancer. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3111629
HowdeeDo March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 (edited) Safe travels, private planes make me nervous! Edited March 24, 2017 by HowdeeDo 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3111773
Guest March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 Looks like Kelli and Yuko chose the same dress Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3111781
LaurenBrook March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 Jinelle's figure is ridic. SO jealous!!! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3111990
ByTor March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 Kashara's hair doesn't look like a mullet, it just looks like she has the Brittney Schram flappy things that look like an attempt to grow out bangs. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3112006
LadyMsJay March 24, 2017 Share March 24, 2017 Wonder why some folks opted to sit by themselves. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/48016-current-dccs-my-boots-do-the-talking/page/133/#findComment-3112182
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