S11.E21: All In The Family

[Tara Ariano]

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Amara shows Dean how she's torturing Lucifer. Worried for Castiel, Dean and Sam come up with a plan to rescue him from Amara's clutches.

[catrox14]

[SueB]

Thanks catrox!

[catrox14]

[Morrigan2575]

Really enjoyed this week's episode. Last week's was better but that was just a super powerful episode, it's hard to beat that.

I'm so loving Chuck, and we got to see Kevin. Yay!

I was surprised to see Metatron take one for the team, really didn't think he had it in him

[Ferniesfreckles]

Aww, Sam is such a fanboy. 

Poor Dean, really felt bad for all of humanity. 

Well, Metaton took one for the team.  I still like him.

What was the point of that new prophet?

Kevin!!   Wow!

So Lucifer is out of the body or did Chuck just fix his injuries?

[Frost]

Donatello yelling "What happened?!" could be my favorite Supernatural line ever.

I enjoyed this better than I thought, but the holes are still pretty big.  Why does Lucifer have to stay inside Castiel at this point?  

I'm glad Metatron is no more.  The show treated him like a puppy who peed on a rug and is now so sorry, so ignore all the heinous things he did and let him join the team!  I'm not only glad he died, but that it was because his plan didn't work.  So there show runners!

[Binns]

Holy hell, Jensen knocked it out of the park. 

Enjoyed the episode a lot. I like how flawed Chuck is. Makes sense in this universe. Liked Donatello but did they really need to give Dean that line? We know he isn't that dumb.  Was surprised by Metatron's sacrifice but guess I shouldn't be with his "redemption" arc. I am eternally creeped out by Amara's behavior with Dean. I just don't see how he doesn't end up trapped with her in some way.  

ETA I loved Sam's behavior with Chuck. It's sweet and very Sam-like. 

Edited May 12, 2016 by Binns
How could I forget about Sam?

[CocoaGoddess]

1 minute ago, Ferniesfreckles said:

Aww, Sam is such a fanboy. 

Poor Dean, really felt bad for all of humanity. 

Well, Metaton took one for the team.  I still like him.

What was the point of that new prophet?

Kevin!!   Wow!

So Lucifer is out of the body or did Chuck just fix his injuries?

I think Chuck just fixed his injuries. I was really hoping that Mark Pellegrino would return as Lucifer so Misha could resume playing Cas--I really am loving this storyline, but I feel like something is missing because Cas isn't a part of it. He has struggled with the absence of God just as much as any other character (maybe more, in some ways) and I think that he should get his opportunity to talk to/confront God too. 

All in all, good episode. I love to hate Metatron and I can't harbor a grudge against a character who risked himself for the team, so I hope he comes back at some point. Especially since he loathed being a human, it seems like a fitting punishment. 

[Ferniesfreckles]

Yes. Jensen was amazing! He was angry yet trying to control his temper and be reverential at the same time. 

Sort of like when he was taking to Death that first time. 

[Binns]

I am guessing that first scene is the one he talked about at Asylum where they initially directed him to portray Dean as angry and he suggested this more emotional tone. I think it was brilliant. 

[2Old2BAFangirl]

I liked it but I felt like it was getting a little too close to cheesy for me.  Chuck talking about porn, watching curling on Dean's computer, sitting around in his boxers, just a bit cheesy to me.  

I miss Cas.  I was hoping Lucifer would be Pellegrino again too.  Seeing Kevin was a nice surprise!

Jensen was amazing, as always.  Both J's were on point the whole episode.

[catrox14]

I have few nice things to say about this episode.

Hi Kevin. Bye Kevin( love you Kevin)...oh hi old white dude replacing Kevin in just about the same scene that kevin had when he was freaking out in the back of the boys car...just sayin'.

Jensen was brilliant but I wish Dean would have said a lot more to Chuck about what Chuck allowed to happen to his family.
 

Porn!Dean - check - Fuck off Buck Lemming

 

 

"i missed you and the sensations you arouse"

 

Please stop using Dean as bait. Or at least act like SOMEONE gives a fucking rat's ass what you are asking of Dean here especially against Amara. Dean made it clear he does not want whatever fucked up thing Amara wants him to have.  Stop implying it's some kind of mutual attraction that Dean just can't resist.

Nothing is surprising that Amara wants Dean to be her eternal life partner but Sam sure seemed pretty casual about that little reveal. I mean you would think he would have said something like, shit Dean that's not gonna happen. But he just shrugs, like Whatevs? WHAT?

Chuck needs to stop wearing Dean's robe. You are the worst roommate EVER. Rude ass dick.

Blasting the Impala back into the Lair was just fucking stupid. I hope Chuck rebuilt the whole lair again. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

Really could someone have fucking asked about Cas in a meaningful way?

[catrox14]

ETA: So what Lucifer just gets to live in Cas now? WTF is happening to Cas. Or did Chuck heal Cas inside too? I'm not happy with this non discussion of Cas. :(

Edited May 12, 2016 by catrox14

[7kstar]

I have a very mixed up reaction to this ep.  Metatron redeeming himself I can deal with.  But if they are going with God and Amara stuck in the cage together... it just feels like a sloppy remix of Season 5.  

Will have to watch again, because I think I missed the beginning so hopefully it did record.  Again, they are throwing too much at the end instead of layering it throughout the season.  I will say I wish they hadn't brought God back into this...the expectations are just too high and it is bound to fail.

[catrox14]

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You’re the firewall between light and darkness.

Okay so is this Chuck actually telling Dean to be the thing that holds back the Darkness again. I mean did Chuck even bother to acknowledge that Dean WAS that fucking firewall and what it did to Dean?

Is that ever going to be discussed.

This is frustrates me so much.

[forum4idiots]

dean.  really nice opening scene...a great carryover from last week's great writing.  the rest of the ep was back to business as usual.  really annoyed that they cut off the chuck/lucifer reunion.  would really would have liked to have seen more interaction there and have banter as great as the chuck/metatron dynamic.

2 hours ago, Frost said:

Donatello yelling "What happened?!" could be my favorite Supernatural line ever.

I enjoyed this better than I thought, but the holes are still pretty big.  Why does Lucifer have to stay inside Castiel at this point?  

I'm glad Metatron is no more.  The show treated him like a puppy who peed on a rug and is now so sorry, so ignore all the heinous things he did and let him join the team!  I'm not only glad he died, but that it was because his plan didn't work.  So there show runners!

This!  I was so floored on that reaction, lol.  So great.

[catrox14]

3 minutes ago, lovebug1975 said:

Donatello yelling "What happened?!" could be my favorite Supernatural line ever.

Too bad that was lifted right out Kevin's first appearance. Insult to injury it's used in the same episode that Kevin is formally sent to Heaven. dislike.

[forum4idiots]

2 hours ago, 2Old2BAFangirl said:

I liked it but I felt like it was getting a little too close to cheesy for me.  Chuck talking about porn, watching curling on Dean's computer, sitting around in his boxers, just a bit cheesy to me.  

I miss Cas.  I was hoping Lucifer would be Pellegrino again too.  Seeing Kevin was a nice surprise!

Jensen was amazing, as always.  Both J's were on point the whole episode.

Agree with jensen ackles.  that opening scene with chuck was pretty damn good. 

as far as cas, it's the whole free will thing, which chuck still respects. 

really liking donnatello guy, lol.  dude really fit well considering he was just added in.  "WHAT HAPPENED?!"...still laughing from that one.

so like i said last week...it really does seem like chuck is going to hand over the mantle of god to amara.  and again, i will stand by the theory that the two will reconcile and lucifer will end up killing chuck and amara (due to her new found good respect for her brother's creations) will hurl his ass bac to hell instead of kill him.

"i've never seen so much porn....."  such an awkward thing to hear from god.  i can just see all the dorks deleting their porn history from their computer after this ep, lol.

[catrox14]

1 minute ago, lovebug1975 said:

"i've never seen so much porn....."  such an awkward thing to hear from god.  i can just see all the dorks deleting their porn history from their computer after this ep, lol.

From the guy that was calling hookers or having phone sex with Mistress Magda. ...

[forum4idiots]

2 hours ago, Binns said:

Holy hell, Jensen knocked it out of the park. 

Enjoyed the episode a lot. I like how flawed Chuck is. Makes sense in this universe. Liked Donatello but did they really need to give Dean that line? We know he isn't that dumb.  Was surprised by Metatron's sacrifice but guess I shouldn't be with his "redemption" arc. I am eternally creeped out by Amara's behavior with Dean. I just don't see how he doesn't end up trapped with her in some way.  

ETA I loved Sam's behavior with Chuck. It's sweet and very Sam-like. 

not really surprised by his taking one for the team.  it kind of goes with a recurring theme with what chuck is doing.  chuck doing the same thing with dead the way he did with metatron...playing the "i know i'm a dick so convince me why i should give a fuck" speech to get them to take a look at why they shouldn't give up. (still think the real god is the dog and chuck is just the bodyguard seraphim).

the way chuck worked the last two episodes is very methodical.....how he intentionally/unintentionally redeemed metatron.....and how he even puts dean in the path of realizing that he does still have faith by allowing dean to dig deep into his feelings...."don't confuse me with your dad"....heck, chuck even saved the impala.........that in itself is divine.

6 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

From the guy that was calling hookers or having phone sex with Mistress Magda. ...

which makes it that much funnier...

[catrox14]

6 minutes ago, lovebug1975 said:

which makes it that much funnier...

Not for me...makes him a hypocrite judging Dean.

[SueB]

And open letter to Sam and Dean:

Sam sweetie, take off the rose colored glasses.  Yes, Chuck is pretty freaking awesome. And he created a great universe with really cool shit in it.  Including the round planets.  But I need you to start to use that magnificent brain of yours.  WHY didn't Chuck stop you from rescuing Lucifer?  Awfully convenient that he snatched you out in the knick of time.  Do you think, perhaps, that he knew what was going on the ENTIRE time?  I do. Remember Lucifer told you God was the Master Strategists.  For some reason he wants you and Dean to believe saving Lucifer was YOUR idea.  Or maybe he wants Luci to buy it.  I'm not sure.  But his reluctance to work with Lucifer was playacting.  He needs the rebellious one if he's going to be successful.

Dean honey. YOU are God's target.  I LOVE that you defended humanity.  You have my heart. Like forever.  But God is playing you guys. Big time.  And it's all about you this time Dean.  God's human Firewall between the Darkness and the Light.  Sure, it's above your paygrade. But you're in the spot and frankly, I'd pick you for the job everyday of the week.  Humanity has no stauncher defender than you.  And Amara wants your butt.  Like literally.  Do you really think God doesn't know where she is?  Of course he does.  But his statement about time?  Yeah, that's him letting you guys get used to him and getting on board with His leadership.  Still, I don't think Chuck is evil.  I think Chuck is defending humanity and happy to play you guys like a fiddle if he needs to.  He KNOWS you are holding a grudge. And he's reminding you at every opportunity.  He's setting you up to take one for the team.  I'm not a prophet, but look how he isolated YOU to talk about his suicide plan.  And I think Metatron may be in on it.  I think Metatron was to wait for a sign that you guys had met and then to reach out and let you know about His plan.  But you learning about Chuck's suicide plan (and how convenient he recalled a Cage?) THAT is what got you to seek out God to talk.  Feels like a bit of a manuever.  But Metatron's sacrifice?  I believe it was genuine.

Look, all I'm saying is that God may have stated he trusts you guys, but I think he's got a few trust issues.  He invented Free Will and knows that you are going to have to choose whatever it is he has planned.  I don't know what that is, and I'd rather he was straight with you, but I do think it's to save Team Humanity.  So, eyes open fellas.  God's not going to clean up the mess by himself with a shrug of his mighty shoulders.  He needs you for something.  But ignore the manipulation and remember it's about Saving People.  No matter how you get there, if that's what you do, you've done the right thing.

Sincerely,

SueB... who truly DOES believe in you

 

Note: seriously, there's no spoiler here... I just see NOTHING but God being a master strategist.  Once you see it, from my perspective, you can't UNSEE it.  I'm down with saving humanity, but I think Chuck is putting the pieces into place to be successful.  Maybe he's not telling the boys everything because there appears to be an open line between Dean and Amara (or at least there was).  Maybe he's afraid they will balk.  IDK.  I just know that God conveniently absent while they plotted the Casifer rescue makes no sense.  He knows all and sees all.  He probably activated the prophet so that Donatello would tell the boys where to find Amara.  I fully expect the boys to cotton on eventually.  But I just wanted to put this out there.  Look, meeting God is no small thing. They are at a big disadvantage with that kind of 'star power' in the bunker.  So, it'll take them some time. Maybe Luci or Crowley will spot it first.  IDK.  But I know I SEE it. 

Edited May 12, 2016 by SueB

[catrox14]

13 minutes ago, lovebug1975 said:

and how he even puts dean in the path of realizing that he does still have faith by allowing dean to dig deep into his feelings...."don't confuse me with your dad"

This reallly bothered me. I don't like the show invalidating Dean's legit beef with Chuck here. Chuck is not John but Chuck has behaved like John. That's just God deflecting what is Dean's righteous anger.

[SueB]

1 minute ago, catrox14 said:

This reallly bothered me. I don't like the show invalidating Dean's legit beef with Chuck here. Chuck is not John but Chuck has behaved like John. That's just God deflecting what is Dean's righteous anger.

I think Chuck knows EXACTLY how to keep Dean off-balanced.

[catrox14]

Just now, SueB said:

I think Chuck knows EXACTLY how to keep Dean off-balanced.

I really think Chuck is a manipulative piece of crap. He pushes Dean's "dad" button.  Plus IMO Chuck feels guilty about abandoning his children when they needed him under the guise of 'I'm letting you fix yourself.' Nah, bruh you made the mess. 

[SueB]

Just now, catrox14 said:

I really think Chuck is a manipulative piece of crap. He pushes Dean's "dad" button.  Plus IMO Chuck feels guilty about abandoning his children when they needed him under the guise of 'I'm letting you fix yourself.' Nah, bruh you made the mess. 

I think Chuck has trust issues. 

[Pete Martell]

28 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Not for me...makes him a hypocrite judging Dean.

I doubt he was judging Dean - the show seems to think Dean's love of porn is fun times, rather than anything bad. 

52 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Too bad that was lifted right out Kevin's first appearance. Insult to injury it's used in the same episode that Kevin is formally sent to Heaven. dislike.

To be honest I never liked that line and I never liked that episode. 

I've seen people saying it's unfair Kevin is gone and replaced by "another white guy," and I get that, but I'm really just happy Kevin wasn't forgotten (I genuinely figured he was) and will get to have...well, not happiness, not with Heaven on this show, but some semblance of peace.

Edited May 12, 2016 by Pete Martell

[catrox14]

10 minutes ago, Pete Martell said:

I've seen people saying it's unfair Kevin is gone and replaced by "another white guy," and I get that, but I'm really just happy Kevin wasn't forgotten (I genuinely figured he was) and will get to have...well, not happiness, not with Heaven on this show, but some semblance of peace

I'm bothered by him being replaced by an old white dude. I mean really they could have had a PoC, a woman something other than an old white dude. and I'm WAY bothered by Kevin saying he always trusted them. He didn't really. He was forced to "trust them" and he was never happy about it. The last thing Kevin ever said to Dean was "I always trust and I always end up getting screwed". IMO Kevin's trip to Heaven was used to manipulate Dean and Sam. I mean Kevin was in the veil with his Mom and that seemed to be working just fine. IMO Kevin's happy smiley "I always trusted you" seemed like Robo-Kevin and was done to get Dean and Sam to trust Chuck.

[Pete Martell]

8 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I'm bothered by him being replaced by an old white dude. I mean really they could have had a PoC, a woman something other than an old white dude. and I'm WAY bothered by Kevin saying he always trusted them. He didn't really. He was forced to "trust them" and he was never happy about it. The last thing Kevin ever said to Dean was "I always trust and I always end up getting screwed". IMO Kevin's trip to Heaven was used to manipulate Dean and Sam. I mean Kevin was in the veil with his Mom and that seemed to be working just fine. IMO Kevin's happy smiley "I always trusted you" seemed like Robo-Kevin and was done to get Dean and Sam to trust Chuck.

I think he did trust Dean, even if he grumbled about it. He was going to leave to look for his mother and Dean convinced him to stay. His last words as a living person were telling "Sam" he was worried about Dean. Part of what he said here was probably manipulation from Chuck, but it doesn't really bother me that much, because I think it was the other side of Kevin, beyond all his anger and hurt over what happened to him. I took the last smile after Dean pointed out what good trusting him had been as Kevin knowing Dean well enough to know he'd say that. 

I'd always like to see more diversity (although it's come to a point where I know it will never be enough for some so I can see where the show isn't that bothered - for instance, when they had the married male hunters a few weeks back, in no time at all I saw the usual claims that this was "queerbaiting" and "wasn't enough"), but I'd be surprised if this character lasts long anyway. I looked up the actor's name and saw that he was stuck in such a horrid, horrid story on Angel (the Connor fiasco), so I was glad to see him in something that will, at least, not make me break my television remote. 

Edited May 12, 2016 by Pete Martell

[ZennyKenny]

Dean and Sam's reactions to Chuck were spot on. I really enjoyed Chuck & Dean's conversations in particular. I'm torn on the whole "God" aspect. On the one hand, his explanations I can get on board with. On the other hand, I don't understand why they are making him so human. Like, taking showers? Why would God need to take a shower?

I also liked Metatron's character arc and ultimate sacrifice. I seemed to be one of the few people who actually liked how slimy and conniving he was. He made a good bad guy that you loved to hate. It's interesting comparing the results of him being human vs. Castiel's experience. I seem to remember Cas embracing his lowly life as a gas station clerk or (or whatever he was), but Metatron's experience was very humiliating for him. I like that in the end he was willing to stick up for humans because he understood how difficult it is to be one.

Ok, I'm confused about Kevin. Has he been "in the veil" this whole time? Because I thought that ghosts eventually went mad and turned into vengeful spirits.

I gotta be honest though. I don't find Amara scary. Like, at all. I don't know if it's just the actress or the writing, but she's no Lilith. And I hate how generic and flat her and Dean's interaction is. Every time they meet, their dialogue just re-treads the same ground over and over again. Yes, we get it; Amara wants Dean to be one with her. Why were they acting like this was some big revelation at the end of the episode? They've been drilling it into our heads since the first episode.

2 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Too bad that was lifted right out Kevin's first appearance. Insult to injury it's used in the same episode that Kevin is formally sent to Heaven. dislike.

Yeah, that rubbed me the wrong way, too.

[Demented Daisy]

Loved it.  No complaints.  :-)

[Kanner]

Jensen in that First scene after seeing Kevin was so awesome. After 11 years he is still bring new and amazing sides to Dean. I had to reply when he said "nothing" over and over again because I had never heard that Dean voice.

I always liked Kevin and was sad and pissed when he died but I wasn't overly attached to him. But when he appeared tears came to my eyes.

I, too, am ready to have Cas back.

[Jediknight]

Told you that Metatron wasn't lying last week, and now he's dead.  That was uncalled for Amara.

Since we got Donatello as a prophet, I guess this means that Marie isn't a prophet.  That's kind of disappointing.

So Holtz is now on the side of angels, that's something I didn't think I'd say.

[Primetimer]

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[Goldmoon]

Should have returned Kevin to his own living body and he could have rejoined TFW with a better, less terrified and helpless attitude!  I liked Holtz (on Angel) in spite of the Conner SL, and he was good here.  I miss CAS, and showrunners, is Mark P too expensive for you to get?  With "god" on the show, I expected to see the return (for keeps) of some favorites, including Luci (as Mark P), Benny, Kevin and Gabriel/Trickster.  Bring back Crowley too and have Misha play Cas again, thanks!

 

Missed some of the story because of bad weather, but will catch up on Hulu later today.

[Demented Daisy]

27 minutes ago, Goldmoon said:

I miss CAS, and showrunners, is Mark P too expensive for you to get?

He was probably too busy doing Quantico.

[SueB]

Uriel.  That's my guess for the whole pillar of salt thing.  

[Binns]

3 hours ago, Jediknight said:

Told you that Metatron wasn't lying last week, and now he's dead.  That was uncalled for Amara.

Since we got Donatello as a prophet, I guess this means that Marie isn't a prophet.  That's kind of disappointing.

So Holtz is now on the side of angels, that's something I didn't think I'd say.

I'm flaking on who Marie is?

[Ria]

I think they are going overboard with the slacker grunge God schtick. I'm finding their representation of God rather juvenile in its conception, something a college kid would think of.

God could snap his fingers and construct a Mark P. Vessel for Lucifer and give us Cas back. I strongly prefer Misha as Cas and Mark as Lucifer.

Edited May 12, 2016 by Ria

[SueB]

The girl who wrote the High School musical in Fan Fiction

[Binns]

43 minutes ago, Demented Daisy said:

He was probably too busy doing Quantico.

The other thing is doesn't he still need a vessel? I'm guessing Nick decayed. Could he manifest on Earth without a vessel? 

[KirkB]

14 minutes ago, Binns said:

 

58 minutes ago, Demented Daisy said:

He was probably too busy doing Quantico.

The other thing is doesn't he still need a vessel? I'm guessing Nick decayed. Could he manifest on Earth without a vessel?

 

Could he? Probably. But way back when Cas said something about their true form being huge and difficult for humans to comprehend, which probably wouldn't do much good right now. But since Chuck is right there he could easily give Luci a new body, either the Mark P. version, whatever his original vessel looked like, or anything else he wanted really. In fact, when Chuck waved his hand I kind of half figured he would split up Cas and Luci so we'd get both. Oh well.

Edited May 12, 2016 by KirkB

[Binns]

I'm definitely on board with wanting Cas back. It is fun to see Misha doing Lucifer though, especially since he toned down the Mark Pelligrino of it all. 

9 hours ago, Pete Martell said:

I doubt he was judging Dean - the show seems to think Dean's love of porn is fun times, rather than anything bad. 

To be honest I never liked that line and I never liked that episode. 

I've seen people saying it's unfair Kevin is gone and replaced by "another white guy," and I get that, but I'm really just happy Kevin wasn't forgotten (I genuinely figured he was) and will get to have...well, not happiness, not with Heaven on this show, but some semblance of peace.

I thought it was a silly joke too (the porn bit). The show has never been shy about Dean's love of porn and it doesn't mean he can't be taken seriously or that he's flawed because of it. It's an aspect of his personality. I'd have been more surprised if they didn't put in little things like that. 

That being said, I would have liked more time spent on Sam and his reaction to Chuck considering his faith. I'd love to see a convo between the two of them. 

[catrox14]

Rant warning. I just can't get on board with the Metatron redemption train.

Nope.

That m'fer  took GLEE in killing Dean and just to make sure the job was done, he literally twisted the blade in Dean's chest and then smiled at Sam. He stole Cas' grace and was going to murder him too and made all the angels fall. He ordered the murder of Kevin. Having to suffer like a human is the LEAST thing he should have suffered. But fine give Metatron a moment with Chuck to redeem himself to Chuck in Chuck's bar to defend his newfound humanity or whatever. But the thing is he never apologized for his actions. NEVER expressed regret for anything but being a shitty god which was really about his own ego. He didn't got to Dean and say "I'm sorry I took your life".

Adding insult to injury they let him walk into Dean's HOME and Dean doesn't even get a "This is my house you asshole. You don't get beer, you don't get anything. You will sit there and tell us what you know. Yep being a human sucks sometimes but you get no sympathy from me. When this is over, you're out". Or for me, I would be fine with Dean shooting him in the head. Human or not. I mean the Benders were human ...just sayin'. 

Rant over.

I was really annoyed with Chuck saying Dean is the firewall and Dean doesn't say, "Um, Dude I was your firewall. If you want me to do THAT again, could you take away the bloodlust...THANKS'

I really don't know what to make of Dean not reacting more strongly to Amara saying to give up his smallness, his humanity. He didn't seem ENTIRELY disgusted with her arrogance and disrespect for humanity.I had hoped on some level Dean would have replied with a comment similar to " Because I got to believe that I can choose what I do with my... unimportant little life" .

I was also annoyed with Chuck invading Dean's space and wearing his dead guy robe and eating donuts...and bacon and watching Dean's porn. I thought it was just stupid and lazy and was all HAHAHA look "God is just like US" but then I saw this Tumblr Gif set showing Dean's behaviors alongside Chuck's and the author made a really interesting connection that maybe Chuck is actually emulating Dean in order to take Dean has his vessel to go after Amara or to try and convince Amara that he is Dean to merge with him you know going method to play Dean. Honestly. I just wanted Jensen to play Michael. Not so sure I want Jensen to play God but then it's still...Dean? Right? Unless it would be Jensen playing Chuck playing God playing Dean.That might be fun and we have had Samifer and Casifer. I"m getting confused...

http://dustydreamsanddirtyscars.tumblr.com/post/144242426936/11x21-all-in-the-family-gods-true-plan

Edited May 12, 2016 by catrox14

[Mulva]

1 hour ago, Ria said:

I think they are going overboard with the slacker grunge God schtick. I'm finding their representation of God rather juvenile in its conception, something a college kid would think of.

God could snap his fingers and construct a Mark P. Vessel for Lucifer and give us Cas back. I strongly prefer Misha as Cas and Mark as Lucifer.

True, Cain had far more gravitis.

I'm not feeling the Dean/Amara connection at all.

Hey Chuck, if you didn't want Lucifer out, maybe you should have pulled Sam out of that church before he ganked Lillith.  Just saying.

Edited May 12, 2016 by Mulva

[catrox14]

37 minutes ago, Mulva said:

Hey Chuck, if you didn't want Lucifer out, maybe you should have pulled Sam out of that church before he ganked Lillith.  Just saying.

Or he could have you know, stopped HIS children from playing games with humanity in the first damn place. LOL  

I loved Jensen's work in that scene with Chuck but ultimately was not thrilled how it was left with Chuck having the last word about John and being totally WRONG to boot.  Not cool.

Dean never confused Chuck with John. Dean relates feeling abandoned. I was fully expecting Dean to say "Nope, Chuck this isn't about MY dad it's about YOU and you abandoned YOUR children who fucked with MY family. You weren't there for humanity. Maybe the problem, Chuck, is that YOU are confusing US for your children. And deciding that because you blew parenting for one generation of children that are actually different than us, that you don't really see US for who we are and didn't help us as separate entities than your first generation of children." 

And it's all the more annoying considering that the show spent 5 seasons  drilling it into our heads that was the parallel. What the fuck, Chuck?

Edited May 12, 2016 by catrox14

[catrox14]

This killed me. You know if this were any other show this would be submitted for an Emmy. For this scene alone. But they won't. Jensen's voice and face when he says "wars in your name" OH NOPE. That killed me. I really felt Dean's disgust and disappointment with Chuck more than his anger. I don't know how Jensen does it. But I can FEEL what Dean feels in these kinds of moments. But all the awards please.  

Edited May 12, 2016 by catrox14

[Binns]

12 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

This killed me. You know if this were any other show this would be submitted for an Emmy. For this scene alone. But they won't. Jensen's voice and face when he says "wars in your name" OH NOPE. That killed me. I really felt Dean's disgust and disappointment with Chuck more than his anger. I don't know how Jensen does it. But I can FEEL what Dean feels in these kinds of moments. But all the awards please.  

I'm looking forward to hearing more from him about this scene- maybe at JIB- it's lovely work especially knowing that it was Jensen's choice to go to this place. the words wouldn't have had nearly as much impact if spoken angrily like it was originally intended. 

[catrox14]

2 hours ago, Binns said:

I'm looking forward to hearing more from him about this scene- maybe at JIB- it's lovely work especially knowing that it was Jensen's choice to go to this place. the words wouldn't have had nearly as much impact if spoken angrily like it was originally intended. 

I don't know if that they wouldn't have had less impact because Jensen would have slayed that too, but  what I do like is that Jensen seems to really take Kim Manners advice to heart "Give them what they want in a way they don't expect." 

I can't help but wonder if this was a bone of contention for the writers..especially Buck Lemming. Because they seem like they want whatever shit they write to be on the screen. I mean how else do you account for no one saying..um maybe you don't want this dog fucking episode? Or maybe not ruin reapers by making them angels or maybe don't fucking kill off Charlie in a disgusting manner that makes her an idiot before she dies? 

This wasn't changing just a word or line of dialogue. Jensen playing it this way had to change the direction of the scene altogether. If Dean was going to be angry, then Chuck would have probably reacted angrily or if he didn't and just sat there whilst Dean ranted that would have been...for what?  Sam would have been all "Dean dude don't yell at God" or Sam sits there trying to decide if God is going to smite his brother? Doing it this way, Rob probably had to change how he reacted to Dean and Jared probably had to change how he reacted to the both of them. 

Is this a bit of Director!Jensen being ninja about overriding the writing and maybe no one told the writers as long as everyone said all the words on the page? I kind of hope so.

Ask for forgiveness not permission LOL

Edited May 12, 2016 by catrox14