S04.E20: Genesis

[SleepDeprived]

I couldn't take Diggle getting tortured. I was so glad when he fought back and turned the tables on Andy (even though, it was part of Andy's plan). But let this be a lesson, Johnny. You repeatedly getting played by Andy/H.I.V.E. because you kept running off half-cocked... Always listen to Lyla Michaels, dude. That woman knows her stuff.

Has Diggle ever done a motorcycle stunt before? Or was he always just driving the van when Laurel/Thea were riding the motorcycles? Because Diggle motorcycle stunting while Baby Sara was strapped to his back was all sorts of awesome. Not safe for Baby Sara in case of a crash or the H.I.V.E. dudes shooting at Digg's back but still. Awesome.

Felicity winning everything at Black Jack was adorable and their "undercover" stint at the casino was really cute. Actually, everything Oliver and Felicity was fantastic and I need them to get back together, please. Felicity being Oliver's light to defeat the Darhk-ness was predicted by everyone ever but it still gave me feels and I just love them. Aww.

Ms. Fortuna was cool. I like her. Would not be opposed to seeing her again. Good casting, good actress.

[BkWurm1]

The yearly late middle season slump is OVER!!!!!!

 

32 minutes ago, dtissagirl said:

SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE ARE NO FLASHBACKS COCKBLOCKING THE STORY FLOW! YOUR SCENES HAVE ACTUAL TIME TO *END* IN A MANNER THAT'S NOT WHAM BAM, ARROW! ISN'T THAT SUPER NEAT?

Please learn from this. PLEASE.

Ha!  Until I read this post I didn't even notice, though did we actually get a flash forward of Poppy goin evil?  I don't think that's happened yet, did it?

26 minutes ago, wonderwall said:

WHO DO I NEED TO TALK TO IN ORDER TO MAKE LYLA A REGULAR?! 

Sorry, but ain't nobody got time for Curtis when there's a badass lady on the sidelines waiting to show off her badass self on screen.

I kept thinking the same thing again and again.  The internet needs to start making this happen. 

23 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

I'm wondering why Alex and Thea were selected to be under the dome? Were they being chosen to repopulate or something?

I'd say both MM's deal and potential to repopulate.  Nice twist that Alex is just a dupe. 

21 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

I also laughed out loud at the sight of baby Sara on Diggle's back. Like I actually snort laughed. So good!

Freaked me out!  What if they shot at him?  It really raised the stakes on the chase. 

19 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

I loved Felicity telling Oliver that she said things when she was hurting and going through one of the worst experiences of her life. I needed her to admit that because that whole "You'll always be the man on the island" thing was harsh and wrong, IMO. So her saying that he can still change was great. Progress! 

I loved all of the Olicity scenes actually. They are just so good together when they're not fighting and Felicity's not snapping at him (with good reason). I'm just...happy sigh.

And until she took it back, he couldn't find his way back to the light.  :D  It's clear they cut the "I thought of you" line but it was still HEAVILY implied.  Didn't need it. 

[calliope1975]

Was this the "I thought of you" episode? If so, I'm guessing it was cut from the speech at the end. Oh, SA - such a shipper. 

Or what @BkWurm1 said. :)

Edited May 5, 2016 by calliope1975

[Guest]

My only problem with this episode is that Felicity mentioned the fern. WHEN WILL THEY LET IT DIE? LET ME LIVE FERN FREE PLEASE. 

[wonderwall]

ALSO. Oliver should only speak in a British accent from now on.

I'm just sayin'

[statsgirl]

That makes sense, Morrigan2575.  Thanks.  It also parallels with Diggle killing Andy because he's gone so evil he can't be brought back.

Another parallel is Lyla telling Diggle that he's not so terrible, he had no choice, Andy was too far gone and he had to kill him, and Felicity telling Oliver that he's not as bad as he thinks he is because of what he's done.

LOL that Ivy Town is the Stepford Darhk is creating.

I guess the "I thought of you" = "I heard your voice inside my head."  A shipper but not always the brightest bulb.

I was so sad DD killed Rose (from Republic of Doyle).  I liked her sass.

[wonderwall]

You guys... This is so cheesy yet makes me so emotional

[GirlvsTV]

Lol, I just realized the team basically split up into couples this episode: Oliver/Felicity, Diggle/Lyla and Thea/Alex

[BkWurm1]

13 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

I forgot to say how much I loved the Sharman lady. She was great. Yeah, the magic stuff was dumb but I've had to learn to get over that on Arrow now so I just felt so entertained by it all.

Also sad face at Oliver putting Felicity giving back the ring in the same realm as Tommy, Moira, Laurel and I'm assuming #Poppy dying. Wow. He loves her so much. 

And that reminds me that he has definitely been living in the bunker and his stuff is in storage. He only wants a home with Felicity. IT'S FINE, I'M FINE.

Lady Fortuna (also Oliver's password to get in the casino - I had to close caption to understand why he was playing for tuna) was wonderfully cast and acted.  FINALLY a cameo worth having.  I'm also so happy that Felicity was really in the magic learning chamber and not just a figment in Oliver's head.   

10 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

And @quarks would know this but was Thea and Alex's vacation home the same one as Oliver and Felicity's Ivy Town home? I'm pretty sure it was. Not that I've stared at the pictures of it or anything, you know, trying to look at the Olicity pictures on the fireplace. Nope. Not me.

I'm ok with Ivy Town being used as a template for "perfection." rather than it just being a reuse of a set.  It was Oliver's version of a suburban dream, why not the ones building Genesis? 

2 minutes ago, wonderwall said:

ALSO. Oliver should only speak in a British accent from now on.

I'm just sayin'

Huh? 

[dtissagirl]

You know what else was neat? A, B and C plot WERE ALL THE SAME STORY. The Diggles got the A plot. Oliver and Felicity learning how to Expecto Patronum was the B plot, Thea and Alex under the dome were the C plot. And they all connected in the end. This isn't difficult at all to do, but Arrow fumbles it so often, that when they stick the landing? I PARTY.

[wonderwall]

Just now, BkWurm1 said:

Huh? 

[jay741982]

Just now, BkWurm1 said:

Lady Fortuna (also Oliver's password to get in the casino - I had to close caption to understand why he was playing for tuna) was wonderfully cast and acted.  FINALLY a cameo worth having.  I'm also so happy that Felicity was really in the magic learning chamber and not just a figment in Oliver's head.   

I'm ok with Ivy Town being used as a template for "perfection." rather than it just being a reuse of a set.  It was Oliver's version of a suburban dream, why not the ones building Genesis? 

Huh? 

Oliver imitated Constaine's Voice 

[benteen]

So glad Diggle shot Andy.  Really good performance by DR.  More Lyla is always a plus.  Oliver and Felicity together and seemingly enjoying themselves, with a fun guest star to boot.  Thea in the Twilight Zone with Alex Tebow.  Plus several Constantine references and no flashbacks.  This was a pretty good episode.

[Guest]

Did anyone else go "Aw!" when baby Sara lifted up her arms to be picked up by her daddy because I DID. So cute. 

I also loved Diggle flying out of the back of the truck on a motorcycle. So happy he can partake in those kind of stunts now. *wicked grin*

[Lantern7]

Interesting episode. Seeing how the production number is "420," I would've expected more funkiness. Maybe the CW could've had Kevin Smith direct this instead of The Flash.

Hooray for no flashbacks! Getting plagued by darkness doesn't count. Cheesy how Oliver needs Felicity to repel darkness, but you can't argue with the results.

I might miss Dark when he's inevitably killed. Out of the DC/CW shows, he's better to watch than Zoom or (ugh) Vandal Savage. Speaking of getting capped . . . sucks to be Andy. I would have gone for the leg or foot, but I'm an only child. Guy went over the line. Good riddance.

Hi, Malcolm! Bye, Malcolm! Wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't sneaking on the lot of The Truman Show, trying to keep watch over the daughter that cannot stand him.

[BkWurm1]

Ramsey really brought it tonight.  In Canary Cry, he was angry and frantic but there was a layer of not quite real to his emotion.  Something felt off but in this episode every beat sucked me in.  The look on his face after he'd pulled the trigger was perfect.  That it happened almost unconsciously was just perfect.  Gregory Smith needs praise for letting the moment breath and coming back to Dig mourning the brother little brother he'd just "put down".  Interesting call back to the term Quentin used to describe Sara when she was rabid. 

Oliver, when he found John, you could tell how spooked he was by what he saw.  Never seen him stammer like that as the GA.  The wrongness really worked.  He KNOWS I think.  Lyla was sold self defense but I think Oliver saw through it.  That Diggle lied to Lyla says more IMO about his guilt than what her reaction would be.  She I think despite advising him to bring Andy to justice, would have understood about the hard choices no one wants to make.  

I have a feeling they will let that percolate until next season.  Either that or use it as a catalyst for Diggle to walk away from the team for a while.  Really great episode. David Ramsey's best ever I think.

Edited May 5, 2016 by BkWurm1

[Guest]

"Laurel was like my sister."

It's okay Digg, you hit your head. You don't know what you're saying. It's fine. We'll let that one go.

[Lee4U]

I have stopped watching for awhile and tuned back in tonight and was pleasantly surprised.  The no flashbacks was really the thing that made it for me - I hate that stuff and never actually sat through even one of them, just fast forwarded through them - well, I did watch one or two of them early in the series and just simply couldn't stand them.  

I'm going to take a guess and think it is too much to hope they are gone for good - but, really, they should be.  

The Genesis line had to be said by Felicity - it just wouldn't have been as perfect said by any of the others.

[wonderwall]

4 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

"Laurel was like my sister."

It's okay Digg, you hit your head. You don't know what you're saying. It's fine. We'll let that one go.

You know LL rarely ever had to work hard during the course of this show for anything, so it makes sense how she got sister status just for comforting him a few times :p

Edited May 5, 2016 by wonderwall

[Guest]

Just now, wonderwall said:

You know LL rarely ever had to work hard during the course of this show, so it makes sense how she got sister status just for comforting him a few times :p

LMAO. She's a sister now, and a Saint. Someone call the Queen and get her a damn knighthood already! Haha. I'm so sorry but it's kind of funny/sad how she's so important now. I'm just like....say what now? LOL.

[BkWurm1]

13 minutes ago, wonderwall said:

HOW DID I MISS THAT!!!!

People need to NOT talk to me while it's Arrow time.  LOVE the look Felicity gives him afterward and LOVE his pleased/embarrassed little smile.  HEE!  If only the director had done a close up of their dumb, dumb faces.  ;p

[bmoore4026]

Arrow The Dome.

[quarks]

That was fun.

Good things:

1. Ok, the timing was inappropriate, but:

"Andy says Genesis is coming."

"I don't think so. Phil Collins says they'll never tour again."

Heh.

2. Also, "It's not gambling when I do it." If Palmer Tech ever does go under, at least we know Felicity has a second career.

3. LYLA! So awesome, she even EMBEDDED A COMPUTER CHIP INTO HER OWN ARM in order to protect it! You go, Lyla, you go! I'm so impressed I will even temporarily ignore that nuclear weapons systems are deliberately kept unconnected to other computer and communication systems to prevent something just like this, since Arrow is hardly the first TV show/movie to ignore that bit.

4. Motorcycle stunts! I question the safety of putting a toddler on your back when you are jumping out of a truck on a motorcycle, but it was pretty cool so I'm going to let that go.

5. Awww. Felicity insisting on coming along with Oliver, and then Oliver being able to fight off Darhk because he heard her voice in his head. Awwww.  These two are so much more entertaining to watch when they are working together instead of breaking up. Take note, Arrow. And then Felicity and Oliver coming to save the day with van and arrows.

6. I'd guessed it way earlier, but still, nice reveal on Thea's trapped by HIVE under the city whereabouts. Classic Malcolm to decide to rescue just her, and leave Oliver out for dead. 

7. Damien continues to be suitably villainy, what with killing various people and torturing Lyla, but I respect that he can still take the time to appreciate a good motorcycle stunt.

8. Oliver's John Constantine imitation.

9. Felicity continuing to use vans as weapons.

10. I'd be more than happy with the occasional return of Lady Fortuna.

11. For all of the cute Oliver/Felicity stuff, and the cliffhanger focused on Thea, this was very definitely David Ramsey's episode, and he and Andy definitely rocked their final scene.

12. No flashbacks, unless Oliver's vision counts, and I'm going with no. YAY! Also, unless I misunderstood that one bit, Poppy is about to go evil and die which might have the side benefit of making her interesting, so double yay!

Questionable things:

1. Yes, Spoiler Discussion Thread people, I did indeed notice the two new sets. I was all excited until I realized that the motorcycle stunts were headed RIGHT BACK TO THE SAME ROAD that Arrow and Flash seem compelled to use for the majority of their car stunts (I'm assuming it must be on or near the lot) and that Arrow was just going to handwave the impossibility of walking from the gambling den (a set, I might add, that we just saw on Legends of Tomorrow) to the Lian Yu Evil Temple Set, itself both the League of Assassins and Evil Egyptian Temple Set, with "MAGIC!" And that Alex and Thea just happened to end up in the same neighborhood where Oliver and Felicity ended up and everybody jumping into the same alley that used to behind Verdant. Oh well.

2. Did I mention, endangering an adorable little toddler? I know Darhk has a habit of kidnapping kids, but surely, a crib in a truck, however secure that truck, and getting carried on Diggle's back without a helmet wasn't the safest way to go.

3. Speaking of which, where WAS that motorcycle? Lyla's command center, what I think was meant to be a tiny bathroom, and Sara's crib seemed to be taking up what looked like the entire space that would be available inside a truck. Did Diggle just magic one up?

4. I realize that Thea was slightly drugged, but I still think that she should have realized that something was up when her "vacation" took her to a suburban house in a deserted suburban neighborhood instead of - and I'm just throwing this idea out there, Alex - the beach. Or Disney World. You know. Usual vacation spots.

5. Even without the flashbacks, this show still moves incredibly quickly: the Thea/Alex stuff was decently paced, but at least three other scenes ended with rapid cutaways - Lady Fortuna walking away from Oliver; Diggle after killing Andy, and his conversation with Oliver; Felicity's reaction after Oliver explained that he thought happy thoughts - that would have benefited from about one or two more moments of reaction shots, or allowing characters to physically move. The cut from Felicity's reaction was pretty jarring, though I can see why the director/editor wanted to spend more time on the motorcycle stunts and less time on mushy squishy stuff. 

6. Arrow, I'm not against all of this "Laurel was like my sister!" stuff, except to pull this off, it had to be earned. Diggle and Laurel had maybe four or five one on one scenes, if that, during the course of the entire series, only one of which was a personal conversation in a relaxed setting. We never, for instance, saw them hanging out at home or getting coffee. Laurel had more of those moments with Nyssa, Thea and even Felicity. It's one thing to have Oliver say he's going to get revenge, but with Diggle, not so much.

Killing his own brother after Andy helped attack his wife and child? Ok, THAT I'll buy. See the difference?

7. "To defeat evil magic, think good thoughts!" may be one of the cheesiest things this show has ever done, and that's saying something. 

I mostly liked it. Still, I think Arrow is at its best when it avoids cheese and instead explores the more grey lines between vigilantism and justice - or in this case, mind control/perfection versus individual freedom. Probably why, at least for me, the Diggle/Andy scenes were more powerful than Oliver defeating Darhk through the magical power of his Love For People.

8. Speaking of which, Oliver developing mental magic skills is, uh, questionable, magical tattoos or no magical tattoos. And if Constantine can grant magical abilities by giving people magical tattoos, why didn't he give other people in Team Arrow magic tattoos before he left, given that he knew they were facing Damien Darhk?

9. And speaking of cheese, the "good" idol is not exactly any more convincing than the "bad" idols have been. And does every single Nexus end up with the same temple design, and if so, is this because the idols also want to save on sets?

[Guest]

I wonder if they're setting up some Diggle/Lyla difficulties for next season? It's just that Lyla mentioned that Diggle was acting like the man she divorced and then he lied to her about Andy reaching for his gun when he had to kill him. It just made me think we're setting Diggle on a darker path and that might create complications. Maybe, maybe not. We'll see!

Edited May 5, 2016 by Guest

[jay741982]

I don't understand why Dig lied to her about that he should've flat out said "He threatend You and Sara's life I snapped I killed him"

[NumberCruncher]

That must have been a good episode.  A couple of times I caught myself actually smiling while I was watching and that hasn't happened for a LONG time.  Welcome back to the land of the living, Arrow!  Please stay awhile.

[dtissagirl]

I just realized I'm really gonna miss "the Laurel" in @quarks' posts. Not enough to miss actual Laurel, but yeah.

Edited May 5, 2016 by dtissagirl

[lexicon]

12 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

I wonder if they're setting up some Diggle/Lyla difficulties for next season? It's just that Lyla mentioned that Diggle was acting like the man she divorced and then he lied to her about Andy reaching for his gun when he had to kill him. It just made me think we're setting Diggle on a darker path maybe and that might create complications. Maybe, maybe not. We'll see!

I'd say we're headed for either potential Dig/Lyla conflict or Dig deciding that he needs to walk away from the team. Killing your baby brother is definitely one of those things that will resonate, especially for a man like Diggle. 

[quarks]

2 minutes ago, dtissagirl said:

I just realized I'm really gonna miss "the Laurel" in @quarks's posts. Not enough to miss actual Laurel, but yeah.

Yes, but on the bright side, this makes it much easier for me to catch up on this weekend's Veep.

[emarasmoak]

27 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

HOW DID I MISS THAT!!!!

People need to NOT talk to me while it's Arrow time.  LOVE the look Felicity gives him afterward and LOVE his pleased/embarrassed little smile.  HEE!  If only the director had done a close up of their dumb, dumb faces.  ;p

And after he imitated Constantine and his British accent, Felicity smiled to him and (just for a second) Oliver looked so pleased with himself... So cute, these two

Edited May 5, 2016 by emarasmoak

[Guest]

I really liked Felicity's line "Don't talk to me like I'm other people." It kinda reminded me of when Oliver told her she didn't have to be funny with him. Why are they so good together? Let me live!

Also I loved the s2 feels of Felicity hitting someone with her van to save Diggle. Awesome. 

I'm probably gonna make so many posts in this thread because I keep remembering things I liked.

Edited May 5, 2016 by Guest

[BkWurm1]

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Speaking of which, where WAS that motorcycle? Lyla's command center, what I think was meant to be a tiny bathroom, and Sara's crib seemed to be taking up what looked like the entire space that would be available inside a truck. Did Diggle just magic one up?

I noticed after DD boarded the Semi that there was a space between the back doors and the entrance into Lyla's rolling metal box.  They could have had a motorcycle in the space.  No way it could have driven out like though - unless he backed up into the living space I suppose. 

 

Someone up thread asked when Laurel had told Oliver to keep fighting.  I finally remembered that she was brought in by Dig and Felicity at the end of season two to do that.  (I know you in my bones speech.)  That could have been what he was remembering. 

[statsgirl]

Maybe Diggle thought that Laurel was like his sister because he never actually had a sister and doesn't know what it's really like?  Or maybe he was comparing her to his brother, Andy the Evil.

I like that Felicity took Sara to Donna so she could look after the peanut while Diggle and Lyla recovered.  It's interesting how there is a natural role for Donna on this show but there wasn't for Laurel.

[BkWurm1]

10 minutes ago, NumberCruncher said:

That must have been a good episode.  A couple of times I caught myself actually smiling while I was watching and that hasn't happened for a LONG time.  Welcome back to the land of the living, Arrow!  Please stay awhile.

In addition to that, it went by fast for me.  First time in a long time where I got to the end and was upset that it was already over. 

23 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

I wonder if they're setting up some Diggle/Lyla difficulties for next season? It's just that Lyla mentioned that Diggle was acting like the man she divorced and then he lied to her about Andy reaching for his gun when he had to kill him. It just made me think we're setting Diggle on a darker path maybe and that might create complications. Maybe, maybe not. We'll see!

Hopefully if they do that, they include how they work through it without completely breaking up as well. 

Edited May 5, 2016 by BkWurm1

[SmallScreenDiva]

That was loads of fun! Also, a roller-coaster of emotions. I was smiling so much during Felicity and Oliver's casino scenes. First, let me be shallow and gush over how pretty they looked together and individually. Also, very flirty for a couple that is supposedly NOT together. I mean, they really need Felicity to say stuff like "just because we're not together" because like @quarks said last week, they don't behave like they're apart and it can be confusing. Oliver with his British accent is just *me, puddle of goo." Add Felicity's delighted surprise, Oliver's pleased and bashful reaction and I'm dancing in my living room, chanting OTP.

David Ramsey owned this episode. And Eugene Byrd excelled at being a POS of a brother. Lyla was badass (more of her, please. Can I just have her instead of Curtis?). I want to be her when I grow up. And the new Digglette is adorable.  The motorcycle stunt had me gasping and even though I recognized how insane it is to have the baby strapped to Digg's back, I still clapped.

Back when LL was alive, a lot of us on this forum had pointed how easily she could be lifted from the narrative. Don't even need to adjust any lines. Same tonight. Oliver saying he would do anything to avenge her? Digg saying she was like a sister? All these could have been erased and the whole ep would still have made sense. Stronger, more credible motivations existed for the characters. That's how inconsequential she is.

I LOVED this scene. Oliver was talking to the team but there was an entire conversation that was playing out between him and Felicity. The concern on her face when he mentions how dangerous learning the dark arts would be, and then the hint of disapproval when he says he's heading on his own to Hub City.

BTW, Oliver DID move out of the loft and is staying in the bunker :)

[lexicon]

Who is this Laurel character you guys keep bringing up? 

[statsgirl]

14 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Someone up thread asked when Laurel had told Oliver to keep fighting.  I finally remembered that she was brought in by Dig and Felicity at the end of season two to do that.  (I know you in my bones speech.)  That could have been what he was remembering. 

Maybe that's it, although she said it after both Diggle and Felicity tried to convince him to keep fighting.  (it would be typical writing for Laurel that all she got were the hand-me-downs.)

I thought maybe she said something like that in the last few episodes when he was trying to convince her to quit and he associated her not quitting with her telling him not to quit.

[EmeraldArcher]

I LOVED it so much!! I've watched it 3 times already!! My Internet is down due to weather, so no extensive posting until tomorrow--hate going 2 weeks in a row without all of you on a Wednesday night.

I'm shocked that I didn't realize there were no flashbacks until someone mentioned it here.

It's OK that "I thought of you" was cut, because I said it in gleeful anticipation every time Oliver looked at Felicity tonight!

Baby Sara 2.0 was adorable! She could cross her little arms all day long, and I'd still think she's adorable.

As crazy as the magic premise is, tonight's episode felt authentic in a way it hasn't in a really long time. As in, these heroes seemed like real people in real relationships. I loved all the little touches, like a mom asking the hubby to pick up some diapers, even if Lyla is completely unconventional. Digg had to make his escape with Sara on his bike because he's a dad engaged in a war on the home front. Felicity taking time to encourage Oliver because she clearly still believes in him--it also seemed that she's making her way back, if her allusions to their summer of flirting indicate where she is. She even made the same gestures and expressions as in 301. Even though Thea was in a crazy situation, there was a lot of authenticity in her actions, as she struggled to relax while observing that things were somehow off.

I really loved Oliver tonight.

There was so much to love in this one!

[KirkB]

I feel a little bad for Diggle. Bastard that he was, Andy was still his brother. I imagine he lied to Lyla to make himself feel just a little bit better. Not that telling her the truth would make her think any less of him. But if he can convince himself Andy gave him no choice. And he kind of didn't. Andy didn't sound like he was brain washed, he sounds like he's a true believer, which probably means he would have killed Lyla and Sara personally without batting eye, so as much as it hurt John was right to kill him.

Did Oliver shoot Dark in the ass? Or the back? Not that it matters, I just find the former more amusing. On the one hand this shows it IS possible to catch Dark off guard, which is a good thing. On the other hand, he barely seemed to react to be shot, which is a bad thing. 

No flashbacks! It's a miracle!

[AyChihuahua]

So Darhk wanted Baby Sara...why? Is there something he wants from Lyla other than the chip?

I saw that Oliver's staying in the bunker, but that doesn't mean Felicity didn't move out of the loft. I can't really see him wanting to be there alone any more than I can see her wanting to be there alone. I'm guessing it's unoccupied right now.

Edited May 5, 2016 by AyChihuahua

[KirkB]

Maybe I missed something, but how did Dark know about the chip? In particular, how did he know it was in Lyla's arm?

[nksarmi]

1 minute ago, KirkB said:

Maybe I missed something, but how did Dark know about the chip? In particular, how did he know it was in Lyla's arm?

Because Malcolm used to be Ra's al Ghul?

[statsgirl]

Maybe Thea's living in the loft right now. Would she want to stay in Laurel's apartment now that she's dead, with all her stuff around her?

[paigow]

24 minutes ago, AyChihuahua said:

So Darhk wanted Baby Sara...why? Is there something he wants from Lyla other than the chip?

I saw that Oliver's staying in the bunker, but that doesn't mean Felicity didn't move out of the loft. I can't really see him wanting to be there alone any more than I can see her wanting to be there alone. I'm guessing it's unoccupied right now.

Barry & Iris & Ray & Kendra need somewhere to live....

[Actionmage]

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So Darhk wanted Baby Sara...why? Is there something he wants from Lyla other than the chip?

If Darhk has Sara, then he can control John and Lyla, at least for a while. Keep them from stopping his plans.

[ArrowFan]

I don't think he wanted Sara so much as he wanted to use her to force Lyla to give him the chip/tell him where she's hiding it. Unluckily, it was IN her...

[tangerine95]

That was one of my favorite episodes of Arrow ever tbh.I loved every storyline and how everyone got something to do that was relevant to the plot.The pacing was good, Arrow usually struggles with that.They should really do more episodes without the flashbacks, this episode showed how much better the show is without them.Especially this season but even if they improve a lot next season with the Bratva stuff, they still shouldn't do them every single episode imo.Arrow without Laurel is as good as I always imagined it would be lol.

Olicity were amazing, I love all their scenes. I've wanted them to do an undercover type mission for so long and they delivered imo.I liked how they had Felicity say she didn't really mean that stuft about how he'll always regress to who he was on the island and had her acknowledge she said it when she was hurt.I kinda laughed when Felicity giving Oliver back the ring was right there with all the people Oliver cared about that died in terms of the worst things that happened to him, he loves her so much. 

Diggle was great. I wasn't totally feeling his storyline with all the anger last episode but this one sold me on it.Probably because they centered most of it on the threat to Lyla and Sara which made it convincing. They threw in that bs about Laurel being like his sister but I  honestly just laughed at their attempt to make her death matter to characters she had like 3 solo scenes with overall. I liked that they made Andy totally evil and unredeamable. I was not expecting him to kill Andy, didn't think they would go that dark but I love that they went there. Lyla is the best, I hope we get a lot more of her for the rest of the season and in season 5.

Thea was also interesting, I liked how creepy her storyline was.And its better they made Alex brainwashed than evil tbh, at least it's not a repeat of last season.

Edited May 5, 2016 by tangerine95

[calliope1975]

Upon rewatch, it seems clear to me that for the greater good of the entire world, Olicity needs to get back together and sex it up on the regular. I've never seen a more light filled Oliver than when they were living in Ivy Town. It's a hardship, but it must be done. 

I'm hoping that Thea figures out how to outsmart her Under the Dome situation. I'm still not sure if Alex is evil, drugged, or dumb. It could be any of the three at this point. 

[quarks]

1 hour ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

 Also, very flirty for a couple that is supposedly NOT together. I mean, they really need Felicity to say stuff like "just because we're not together" because like @quarks said last week, they don't behave like they're apart and it can be confusing. Oliver with his British accent is just *me, puddle of goo." Add Felicity's delighted surprise, Oliver's pleased and bashful reaction and I'm dancing in my living room, chanting OTP.

 

Yeah. I even thought about putting that into the "Questionable Things" part, because these two are just not convincing as a broken up couple. It's not just that Oliver said that she was the light in their relationship, which is not exactly typical of Things Exes Say, or that Oliver took a moment to look down her bra because, well, things happen, or even that they are still doing missions together and Oliver didn't even bother to put up much of a fight over this. It's that once again, the actors are not behaving like a couple who recently split up over a fairly serious betrayal and have no intentions on either side of getting back together. They're standing close together, physically relaxed with each other and frequently touching and/or leaning towards each other.  More so than Diggle and Lyla were when Lyla first appeared on Arrow, to the point where Felicity had to remind the audience that no, in this episode of Arrow they weren't together and would be using separate hotel rooms, even though Palmer Tech was already annoyed at the misappropriation of funds and using just one room might have been a nice cost saving gesture. Many hotel rooms have two beds, Felicity! Just saying.

While I'm back on Questionable Things, did we ever figure out how, exactly, H.I.V.E. is powering up this underground cave thing, which is now providing sunlight, power for several houses, and occasional barking dogs?

Edited May 5, 2016 by quarks

[Guest]

I agree actually, O/F just need to get back together because they're so much better like this and honestly, if I hadn't seen all the episodes previously I would have assumed they were back together. Felicity was kinda flirty and touchy-feely and Oliver was smiling with hearts in his eyes and looking down her dress as she removed money from her bra and seriously, just be a couple again. LOL.

I mean, I'm also okay if they want to wait to bring them back together but only if they keep their dynamic like this. 

Edited May 5, 2016 by Guest