"The View": Week of 02/15/16

[ari333]

Who declares someone dead over the phone? IS that a thing?

[GHScorpiosRule]

Since yesterday was nothing but stupidness, I have nothing to say. Oh, wait. I do. Like no one will convince me that Candace didn't memorize all the presidents so she could say "I know! I know! I can recite them ALL in the ORDER! of terms!" The fast way she ran off the names, told me she was running them in her head before taping!

 

And shut up, Paula. If you are, like a man, or a guy, or whatever you said, that you don't like mushy stuff, then you shouldn't be all traumatized when you see penises on your teevee screen!

 

Like I need to see Candace's dressing room. Or give a figgedity bluedilly FUCK that she lives here and in CA and has to commute.

 

Today:

 

I'm only halfway through, and OMG, I am on WHOOPI's side! STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!

 

And the reason why Whoopi was getting angry was that Paula, Raven and Joy!? (So disappointed in you!) kept insisting "we" have a right to know what happened, because Scalia's death, suddenly, is all "fishy."  And when Whoopi was trying to explain that he just died less than 72 hours ago, let the family process, and the autopsy will happen in due course, etc, but no, Paula kept insisting that WE had a right to know. No, no we don't. "WE" can wait. Whoopi never said an autopsy shouldn't be done.

 

Plus, lots of other autopsies? Take TIME. Yes, even for famous people. Even I sleep with a pillow over my head.

 

And Paula can just STFU about that ridonkulous "Thurmond Rule" because it's NOT  A REAL RULE!  And that turd, McConnell Cecil Turtle, can also STFU, because he himself, shot down that "rule" years ago, when he was trying to get federal judge appointments in his fucking state. John Oliver did a FUCKING AMAZING JOB of reaming the GOP over Scalia's death.

 

I don't think Joy was angry that Whoopi walked off. It was clear to me, when Joy said, all this obstructionism from the GOP was due to Obama being Black, Whoopi was being sarcastic with her "Nooo! Really?!" and walked off. Then came back.

 

I can't even imagine the conversation if Candace had been on today.

 

I'm sure I'll have more after I finish watching.

[ari333]

Raven's joking during Scalia's death topic was insensitive and so was Michelle with her, " he'd have been riddled with bullet holes." Not funny either of them.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Raven's joking during Scalia's death topic was insensitive and so was Michelle with her, " he'd have been riddled with bullet holes." Not funny either of them.

 

Agree. She probably thinks Scalia was part of the mob, and would have thrown in a Godfather reference to how Sonny was riddled with bullets, if Whoopi hadn't gotten angry. Because that's how she rolls.

 

And of COURSE since Scandal had the president murder a Supreme Court Justice, someone obviously murdered Scalia.

[AshleyLyn]

I Everyone's reactions about Scalia's death was tacky. The fact that Joy, who I normally like, piled in on this was ridiculous. 

 

The jokes were too much and I hope to heck that none of his kids were watching this show. I think the news said he had 9 kids. I don't care how old you are, no one likes hearing this type of crap come out of people's mouths over their parents deaths.

 

I lost count how many times I've woken up to a pillow half covering my face. 

 

Raven with her Scandal and conspiracy just gave me a headache.

 

And I agree with you, GHScorpiosRule, the fact we're on Whoopi's side on this was nuts. I thought Joy would be mocking the conspiracy theories, not joining in. 

 

I'm still pissed about Michelle in regards to Taylor Swift and Kanye. And the excuses. So since i never got a chance to properly mourn my grandfather's death, does that give me a right to be an utter bitch to others? NOOOO. Do these people live in the real world? 

On a side note, glad that Barbie is expanding on their Barbie dolls. And death to the Minions pogo stick. 

[Morbs]

Obviously Whoopi has a lot going on if she can lose her shit over people wanting an autopsy.  Any topic can set off her temper, she just can't handle dissent.  He was in poor health and 89 years old so it's not that surprising the family didn't bother.  I also sleep with a pillow over my heard, it's just comfy.  Raven was really rolling her eyes during Whoopi's meltdown.  I think Joy was just annoyed because Whoopi walking off the stage was just another way to shut down the conversation when obviously Joy generally feels she can't get a word in with Whoopi even if they somewhat agree.

 

Raven defending Kanye doesn't bother me, I can see her point.  I think Kanye has a lot going on mentally, and possibly brain damage from his car accident.  He appears to be having a public meltdown and clearly isn't over his mothers death, which doesn't give him an excuse to be an asshole since it's something everyone must go through eventually, but I think he is mentally ill and he just reminds me of Amanda Bynes more and more often.  I think it's best to just ignore him, and since his new cd is only on Tidal (which will never be a success!) it should be pretty easy to do.  He's like a crazy person screaming on the subway at this point.

Edited February 16, 2016 by Morbs

[NextIteration]

So first, Michelle looked really pretty today, until she opened her mouth.  Sit the fuck down and shut up Raven, his mom died in 2007.  What he did to Taylor at the VMAs in 2009 was so trashy, so, so trashy, and what he's tweeting and putting in his lyrics is misogynistic, full stop.  He's jealous of her cash, and her awards.

 

Fishy, well there goes all your credibility Paula, have you been visiting Alex Jones' Infowars?  Scalia was obese, a smoker and had heart problems.  No Paula, the Marshalls were not with him, he waived them off for the trip.  Can you get any facts right?  Joy?  WHAT THE HELL.  The justice of the peace declared him dead of natural causes after conferring with the local police and the ranch owner and Scalia's physician.  No, there was no autopsy and it appears that his family didn't feel the need to have one conducted which is their choice.

 

I honestly don't blame Whoopi, what a hot mess everyone else was this morning.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Obviously Whoopi has a lot going on if she can lose her shit over people wanting an autopsy.  Any topic can set off her temper, she just can't handle dissent.  He was in poor health and 89 years old so it's not that surprising the family didn't bother.

 

Scalia was 79, not 89.

[ari333]

I hate it when things that transpire make me agree with Whoops.

[NextIteration]

Plus, lots of other autopsies? Take TIME. Yes, even for famous people. Even I sleep with a pillow over my head.

 

And Paula can just STFU about that ridonkulous "Thurmond Rule" because it's NOT  A REAL RULE!  And that turd, McConnell Cecil Turtle, can also STFU, because he himself, shot down that "rule" years ago, when he was trying to get federal judge appointments in his fucking state. John Oliver did a FUCKING AMAZING JOB of reaming the GOP over Scalia's death.

 

I don't think Joy was angry that Whoopi walked off. It was clear to me, when Joy said, all this obstructionism from the GOP was due to Obama being Black, Whoopi was being sarcastic with her "Nooo! Really?!" and walked off. Then came back.

 

I can't even imagine the conversation if Candace had been on today.

 

I'm sure I'll have more after I finish watching.

 

That's the other fact she failed with, it's an "informal" rule, and it applies to the last six months.

 

There was no autopsy done on Scalia - he was embalmed in El Paso before he was flown back to D.C.

[Haleth]

I think all this talk about a conspiracy is to distract from the fact that McConnell intends to deny the President his Constitutional right to nominate a replacement by refusing to hold hearings. In my opinion McConnell should be impeached if he does this. (However it's unlikely the good people of KY would agree with me.)

[ari333]

If a person is embalmed can there be no autopsy afterwards? Im asking bc I recall some bodies being exhumed years later for autopsy (in suspected murder cases)  and I assume they were embalmed initially.  

Edited February 16, 2016 by ari333

[GHScorpiosRule]

There was no autopsy done on Scalia - he was embalmed in El Paso before he was flown back to D.C.

 

 

If a person is embalmed can there be no autopsy afterwards? Im asking bc I recall some bodies being exhumed years later for autopsy (in suspected murder cases)  and I assume they were embalmed initially.  

 

 

Sorry, my bad. Must have missed that part with all the screaming and yelling. I'm no mortician or medical examiner, so take this with a grain of salt...putting on my Law & Order hat...

 

In a fourth season episode, some rich dude, who was murdered by his wife by on overdose of insulin was embalmed before the ME could do an autopsy. But she wasn't able to determine cause of death because the body was "polluted" due to embalming. But then, she wasn't allowed to "cut him open" and it was a visual autopsy, I think.  So I'm not sure if an autopsy can be done, which might confirm natural causes or "foul play." I'm putting the last in quotes because I refuse to indulge in conspiracy theories! There are already enough NutJobs out in the universe.

[Jpxfactor]

Because of his position there should have been an autopsy. That is the only way to stop the rumours. The decision to not have one is the cause of the conspiracy theories. That was joy and Paula s point, which I agree with. Lol and I'm Canadian why do I care.

[NextIteration]

I'm pretty sure autopsies can be done after embalming, but the Texas authorities saw no reason to conduct one, and apparently neither did his family.  He is scheduled to lie in repose in the Great Hall of the SCOTUS building on Friday.

 

Alex Jones is a freak, and he's the one that started this bullshit, he's accusing Obama of killing Scalia and fretting that Trump might be next.

[AshleyLyn]

 

Alex Jones is a freak, and he's the one that started this bullshit, he's accusing Obama of killing Scalia and fretting that Trump might be next.

Is it wrong and bad to be hopeful about that part? 

 

It was the family's decision to not have an autopsy. Okay. So then these ladies should not be questioning the family on doing something that is personal. Maybe Scalia's religious beliefs or personal beliefs were that of not having an autopsy done when he died. We don't know and personally we don't have a right to know. Even if it was pronounced on the phone, no doubt someone came and probably did all the right things.

 

Right now I feel bad for Scalia's family to have to deal with this crap. 

[Dissy]

The pillow over the face isn't mentioned in any of the initial reports of finding the body. I am finding the whole pillow thing is being parroted on right wing blogs and so called news sites. The account from the person who found him said he looked like he was taking a nap. You wouldn't say that if there was a pillow on his face.

Also, he didn't have a heart attack. The woman who declared him dead said his heart stopped. The media reported that as a heart attack. The cause of death is natural causes. It sounds as if the family and his doctor are satisfied with this cause. They would have more information on his health than the public.

If an autopsy is done after embalming it would only be to check skeletal conditions or any that doesn't involve blood or organs.

I was surprised at Joy agreeing with Paula on this too.

[NextIteration]

@tvaddict, this might help you understand what is up with the 4-4 court and pending cases.

 

Here is the WaPo article I was citing for the facts surrounding Scalia's death.

[GHScorpiosRule]

What Joy was saying, after she got off the conspiracy train, was that the problem now, with only eight Justices, was that all the decisions that had been made in the lower courts would be the controlling decisions. Because there are only eight right now, nothing can be sent to the Supreme Court.  Even though session doesn't open until October. No WAY can I imagine Obama appointing someone and he or she getting affirmed before October.  So for all intents and purposes, all appeals to the highest court are stayed. Which is not good.

[NextIteration]

What Joy was saying, after she got off the conspiracy train, was that the problem now, with only eight Justices, was that all the decisions that had been made in the lower courts would be the controlling decisions. Because there are only eight right now, nothing can be sent to the Supreme Court.  Even though session doesn't open until October. No WAY can I imagine Obama appointing someone and he or she getting affirmed before October.  So for all intents and purposes, all appeals to the highest court are stayed. Which is not good.

 

That's not quite right.  The session opens in October and closes at the end of June (it sometimes slips into the first few days of July).  The presumption is that with 4 liberals and 4 conservatives that a lot of of decisions will result in a tie.  A tie sends it back to the lower court where that court's decision stands without precedent.  Kagan has recused hersellf from one of the cases, so that one has seven justices which could render a decision.  And some of the others could as well, since Kennedy swings left sometimes.

 

March is a really busy month for the court, they hear a lot of cases then, they generally grant cert for most cases in the fall.

 

The manager of the El Paso funeral home that handled Scalia’s body said Scalia’s family insisted on not having an autopsy done. But the decision has spawned a host of conspiracy theories online, as well as skeptical questions from law enforcement experts such as Ritchie.

Edited February 16, 2016 by NextIteration

[Bronzedog]

It's possible that Scalia's death was not as surprising to his family as it was to everyone else. Obviously they knew more about his health than the public. Maybe they had enough knowledge to not really need an autopsy. The conspiracy theory, IMO, is absurd.

I also think that Kanye has long suffered from some kind of mental illness. Something has been off with him for a long, long time and to defend the crap he has pulled on Taylor Swift is reprehensible. Maybe he'll focus his attention on Mark Zuckerberg for awhile now,

[Morgalisa]

I can never agree with Whoopi, no matter what she says, BECAUSE of the way she says it.  Just can't.  When she talks I can visualize my hands closing around her throat. She used everything she had to grab all the focus from Joy.  She sucks all the oxygen from the room.  I just don't like her very much.

 

When my 90-year-old father died at home (in Texas), we were told that an "optopsy" (tm Raven) was mandatory in the state of Texas if someone dies at home.  I have heard of this happening to various other over 90s.  (I believe it is at the discretion of the ME in most jurisdictions). My opinion is that because of Scalia's position, his cause of death should be made public.  

[tenativelyyours]

There have been a couple of nominations that have passed the Senate that are being talked about in terms of being nomination for the Supreme Court that deflates the idea of a partisan fight.  Deflated.  Not removes.   But it would be hard for some of the nominations President Obama has had pass be turned down.  The argument that the first vetting was wrong won't really work.  As well it will also highlight a fight that says simply that Senate Republicans refuse to abide by the Constitution.  What is behind much of this is that the Thurmond 'rule' is being put out there to case false outrage as if President Obama is not abiding by the law.  By now most already know he is with any nomination.  And ten months is a risk for the Republicans. 

 

Instead it is rallying cry for the right in an election year.  Looking at the ages and health of the current court and Scalia could well not be the last judge President Obama could have to replace.  Certainly the next administration will likely see it arise if it doesn't before then.  Paula throwing out the Thurmond 'rule' shows it is pervasive simply as smoke and mirrors.  Even when Thurmond proposed it, it was not actually implemented.  The Senate has not once used the idea as the means to dismiss any nominations.  Nominations take time even before the committee hearings.  Which is where the six month logic is attempted to be applied.  I had the signal freezing and breaking up but am I wrong in assuming no one turned to Paula and asked when the rule had ever been the means to throw out a nominations (a withdrawn nomination due to other circumstances obviously does not count even if it meant the President did not have time to start the process again before leaving office).

 

I wish they would bring Dan Abrams on to gently drag Paula through her legal fallacies the same way Whoopi was shown the Cosby light so she could then guide the rest of us to knowledge and wisdom on the matter.

 

And does Joy think the Supreme Court is always split?  Let alone according to political leanings?  Does she know that there have been unanimous decisions?  That the court has split according to justices that see matters as being a state matter even if they disagree with how they would like to see the outcome or matter resolved? 

[ari333]

I agree that there may be something mentally off with Kanye... or either he is an ego maniac of epic proportion. ....OR both

[Qoass]

Two caveats:  I did not watch Tuesday's show and what I'm about to post is totally tasteless:

 

When I heard that Scalia died on a hunting trip in Texas, my first thought was that Dick Cheney shot him.  By accident, of course.

 

 

[TheGreenKnight]

Raven's joking during Scalia's death topic was insensitive and so was Michelle with her, " he'd have been riddled with bullet holes." Not funny either of them.

Maybe I have a dark sense of humor, but I actually laughed at Michelle's joke. But you forgot the first part--"If he'd been killed by a Republican, we'd have known, because he'd have been...." LOL I laughed more because Paula looked pissed when she said it. Also, even though I don't sympathize with Kanye at all, I don't think that's what Michelle was talking about in relation to Taylor. She just thought her tone was a little childish when she should be happy she just received an award (becoming the only woman to win AOTY twice, from what I heard). I loved how she threw one last word in there before starting to read about the person they highlighted for Black History Month. Whoopi looked angry she didn't get to scream back at her.

 

I don't love Michelle, but I feel sorry she's getting it the roughest of all the new co-hosts. I think she does have potential if she could rein in the jokes. And, yes, unrelated, but she's the prettiest co-host to me.

[ari333]

I think anyone who holds a high position/ office in which the only way out of that office is death.... the death is significant and therefore so is the cause of death.  Maybe I am misunderstanding something.

I'm not saying this well, but iow, the position is important especially since it is is politically charged - or the replacement position is politically charged. The Supreme Court is a big deal. I can understand the concern. This is not just - or only -  someone's grandpa who passed away at 79. The justice positions are very important. Roe v Wade leaps to mind, but there are many other reasons.   

Edited February 16, 2016 by ari333

[Haleth]

When I heard that Scalia died on a hunting trip in Texas, my first thought was that Dick Cheney shot him. By accident, of course

I think that's the joke Michelle was trying to make.

Edited February 16, 2016 by Haleth

[AshleyLyn]

I don't like Taylor Swift, but Michelle's dismissive comment about her,especially reading off someone's comment, annoyed me. And Kanye did NOT put her on the map. The girl was making herself known before she got interrupted by Kanye. And personally, everyone tends speechify during their speeches. If she wanted to say something about what was going on, she was in her right. 

Raven and Michelle just dismissing her just ticked me off. And then trying to excuse Kanye's actions.

 

Look, mentally ill or not, someone needs to take Kanye to task. Get him diagnosed and get his ass on medications if need be. You can be all expressive as you want in your music, but when you're using a lyric about you and her having sex and calling her a bitch, fuck off out of here. He needs to shut up. He got money, he got music, he got a good life with a wife and kids, he needs to start concentrating on them and not on trying to denigrate Taylor Swift. 

 

And I get that Scalia, due to his position, people think they deserve to know. But since his family didn't want autopsy, clearly they thought he died of causes that were not foul and therefore didn't want to drag things out any longer. So yes, i can understand the need to know, but we don't need to know right now. Let the family deal with it, mourn, etc, etc, and then release information. 

[CattyTiger]

Need to rename this show The Vacuous View, although a few of the hosts might have to look up "vacuous."

[ari333]

Since it was mentioned on the show about sleeping with a pillow on the face.... I wouldn't do it and tell loved ones not to do it. Rebreathing carbon dioxide can be a problem - aka hypercapnia. There is a reflex that is supposed to turn the head to get fresh air, but sometimes it doesn't happen. Not worth it. I cover my eyes with a pillow but not my mouth and nose. Just 2 cents.  (imo)

[Bronzedog]

Two caveats:  I did not watch Tuesday's show and what I'm about to post is totally tasteless:

 

When I heard that Scalia died on a hunting trip in Texas, my first thought was that Dick Cheney shot him.  By accident, of course.

I'll match that. When I heard The news I wasn't really listening but heard the word ranch. My initial thought was, "wonder if it was the same whore house where they found Lamar Odom."

Climbing into my hand basket to hell as I type this.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I'm not surprised Raven was able to offer a defense of Kanye based on the death of his mother.  Raven seems to see the whole world in terms of how it relates to her own mother ... what her mother thinks, what her mother said to her, what her mother might say to her.  She is constantly referencing her mother.  She probably thinks she would lose it if her mother died, so that means Kanye necessarily did, too,  and that explains (and excuses) his ongoing crazy.  

 

 

Wait.   My mom died in 2015.  do I get a pass on behaving like an asshole for the next 9 years?   

 

No, because you are not a special celebrity snowflake, backformore.  People in the public eye have different life pressures than the rest of us peons who are worried about petty things like trying to earn a living and raising our kids and getting sick and being victims of crime etc.  They have to sit in their mansions reading mean things strangers have tweeted about them, and have third-rate bloggers dump them in the middle of a red carpet interview so they can move on to someone more famous.  It's a tough life!!!  They cannot be expected to handle the passing of their mothers the way you and I would be.  What a ridiculous idea!

[jumper sage]

Scalia-gate:  I don't know why Whoopi thinks she is all knowing.  The discussion was going along nicely.  If we all believed what Whoopi said we could all go out and kill anyone, in our family at least, for families have the final say.......Could you imagine?  I would like to remind Whoopi that JFK did have questions about his death.and what happened at the hospital.

[Celia Rubenstein]

When Joy said, "color has something to do with it' then when Whoopi walked out she was AGREEING with Joy.  It was a sarcastic walk out, as in, YES OF COURSE IT DID! DUH! Whoppi was agreeing.  That's how I took it.

 

Whoopi just took it too far, though.  Joy was trying to make a serious point: Obama has faced a ridiculous amount of opposition from people in Congress who don't want him to succeed because he is black, period.  That may be an obvious point to many, but the reality is a lot of people don't really understand this.  Especially white people in polite society who have an idealized version of how the government works.  A lot of people think that members of Congress are too evolved to think like your average, every day bigot, but they are wrong.  Joy saying flat out "it's because of his color" is not something you hear on TV every day, and I was glad she said it.  There are people who need to hear it. 

 

But Whoopi gasping and pretending to clutch her pearls and walk off the stage was taking it too far.  It started to feel like she was mocking Joy for making a point that was just SO obvious it doesn't even need to be said.  She just completely overdid it. 

 

I would have thought Whoopi would appreciate what Joy was saying, and I'm surprised she felt the need to detract from her point by putting on such a show.  I can see why Joy was peeved.  

[Morgalisa]

Michelle's makeup was flawless and her outfit was very flattering to her coloring. Today was the prettiest she's ever looked to me.

[Morgalisa]

Whoopi just took it too far, though.  Joy was trying to make a serious point: Obama has faced a ridiculous amount of opposition from people in Congress who don't want him to succeed because he is black, period.  That may be an obvious point to many, but the reality is a lot of people don't really understand this.  Especially white people in polite society who have an idealized version of how the government works.  A lot of people think that members of Congress are too evolved to think like your average, every day bigot, but they are wrong.  Joy saying flat out "it's because of his color" is not something you hear on TV every day, and I was glad she said it.  There are people who need to hear it. 

 

But Whoopi gasping and pretending to clutch her pearls and walk off the stage was taking it too far.  It started to feel like she was mocking Joy for making a point that was just SO obvious it doesn't even need to be said.  She just completely overdid it. 

 

I would have thought Whoopi would appreciate what Joy was saying, and I'm surprised she felt the need to detract from her point by putting on such a show.  I can see why Joy was peeved.

Exactly. And Joy was trying to make the bigger point that White people need to say this because Black people will be accused of playing the race card. When she told Whoopi that White people need to say it, Whoopi interrupts her and says, "I can say it." Gawd. She misses the point and then overtalks and interrupts. Her ego is so offputting. She is not nearly as smart as she thinks she is.

[Celia Rubenstein]

Exactly. And Joy was trying to make the bigger point that White people need to say this because Black people will be accused of playing the race card. When she told Whoopi that White people need to say it, Whoopi interrupts her and says, "I can say it." Gawd. She misses the point and then overtalks and interrupts. Her ego is so offputting. She is not nearly as smart as she thinks she is.

 

Thank you for adding that!  That is such an important part of what Joy was saying, and you summed it up perfectly.

 

Whoopi really did just entirely miss the point of everything Joy was saying.  

[ari333]

Exactly. And Joy was trying to make the bigger point that White people need to say this because Black people will be accused of playing the race card. When she told Whoopi that White people need to say it, Whoopi interrupts her and says, "I can say it." Gawd. She misses the point and then overtalks and interrupts. Her ego is so offputting. She is not nearly as smart as she thinks she is.

Agreed.

Whoopi couldn't   even let Joy help make her point, or bolster the point. It is WHOOPI'S point ! and everyone else step off even if Whoopi agrees with it!

[GHScorpiosRule]

I can and do appreciaMte that Joy finally addressed the elephant in the room--that all this "determined to make him a one term President" and fighting Obama all the way, all the time, is because he's Black.  However, she's not the first white person to say it. Bill Maher has been saying this for over two years now.  I think Jon Stewart may have also said it.  And they're both white men.  Larry Wilmore of course has as well.  So it's not as if 'someone' has finally said it.  But yes, I do get Joy's point, and no, Whoopi, you "saying it" isn't the same thing as White people admitting to it and saying it.  Hell, when Maher said it, one Ms. Nicholle Wallace tried to shut him down and deny it. The "reasoning" being how that's not the case at all! After all, he's now President!

[Celia Rubenstein]

I can and do appreciaMte that Joy finally addressed the elephant in the room--that all this "determined to make him a one term President" and fighting Obama all the way, all the time, is because he's Black.  However, she's not the first white person to say it. Bill Maher has been saying this for over two years now.  I think Jon Stewart may have also said it.  And they're both white men.

 

Yeah, but when Jon Stewart and Bill Maher say it to their audiences, they are preaching to the choir.  The point is for an unexpected person to shout out the message to an audience that isn't well aware of it already.  I think that was why Joy mentioned it needed to be said by a white person ... she meant a white person like her on a show like The View.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I get what you're saying Celia, and I guess it just proves Maher's other point: that people in America are STOOPID, that this hasn't occured to them. That there are still people out there, today, that are ignorant enough that they really honestly believe that the elected Senators and Congressman, don't have racists among them. Hell, just within the last two elections, we have those crackpots who have said a woman who gets pregnant by her rapist wasn't really raped because her body "knows" hot to repel rapist sperm!

 

But, that's a bit off topic. Basically, I'm saying, I agree with Maher that people are stoopid, and that Joy waited this long to put it out there.  I guess Geddie wouldn't let her when he was in charge of this show.

[Tunia]

It was clarified on tonight's news that Scalia's pillow was found above his head, not covering his face.

[Haleth]

^^ Oh, those pesky facts!

[Blissfool]

Wow! I'm really surprised to see so many of you agreeing with Whoopi on the scalia topic. I found myself agreeing with the other ladies. I don't think that they were demanding answers NOW. I think they simply meant that because of scalia's position and because his death was unexpected, then an autopsy SHOULD be done. And it shouldn't be up to the family.

[ari333]

If the pillow was above his head I don't see how that is an issue or even worth a mention .  That seems fine and normal. Just me?

Edited February 17, 2016 by ari333

[AshleyLyn]

Not just you ari333. Just sounds like people trying to stir shit up.

[Celia Rubenstein]

 I think they simply meant that because of scalia's position and because his death was unexpected, then an autopsy SHOULD be done. And it shouldn't be up to the family.

 

Since when is the death of a heavyset, 79-year-old smoker with high blood pressure and heart problems unexpected?  What is unexpected is that he lived as long as he did.

 

I don't know what Texas law requires, but if it is lawful for the family to forego an autopsy, they should not have to allow one just to appease a bunch of whack job conspiracy theorists tweeting stupid shit about a murder plot, or some jerks trying to get political mileage out of it. YMMV.

[ari333]

Im confused on the details of Scalia's death. Was he not at his residence when he died? TIA

Iow, if Scalia were in his normal residence, at peace, relaxing and in the safety  of his home, I'd buy natural death. If he were somewhere else, I may raise an eyebrow just to make sure. I'd still buy natural death, but I'd want it checked out.

[maggiemae]

He was hunting quail at a posh resort......

Michelle couldn't even manage a joke around quail but rather went with some crap about a ranch animal coming for Scalia.