Morning Joe: All Episodes Talk

[Ohwell]

1 hour ago, Kemper said:

Yep. However, if you are being paid to host a daily news show...you should be required to live within commuting distance of the show.  No perks given to your tax situation or family situation.  Unless the family situation is an emergency.

By "they're" I meant anyone who paid high property taxes, not just the "rich" or Joe & Mika.   For example, there are people living in nice N.Va suburbs who pay high property taxes and are feeling the effects of the new tax laws.  They live in nice homes, but they aren't necessarily "rich."

As for Joe & Mika?  No sympathy whatsoever.  They can afford it.

[stormy]

Today's theme?  How trump won the 2020 election because the democrats handed it to him.

[Landsnark]

They really skewered OAC and made her look like a complete fool.

[Abiding Dude]

They certainly tried to portray her as one. Unfortunately it appeared to be somewhat of a one-sided conversation, with everyone agreeing with each other.

[oakville]

Joe is still in Florida trying to acquire his residency status.

Joe started to make fun of Trump's weight, but Mika wants Trump to take his isssue seriously and make changes to his lifestyle.

Mika recommended her book on eating disorders.

Joe is outraged at AOC for protesting against Amazon.

Joe said Latinos & African Americans support Amazon.

Donny said AOC is dangerous. She wants higher taxes  on the rich .

Donny said that Trump could win re election in 2020 running against AOC.

So after 2 years of Joe assuring everyone that Trump is doomed, now the Democrats are in trouble because of AOC. 's tweets.

[oakville]

27 minutes ago, Abiding Dude said:

They certainly tried to portray her as one. Unfortunately it appeared to be somewhat of a one-sided conversation, with everyone agreeing with each other.

This is common on Morning Joe these days. Very little debate once Joe has stated his position.

[XOQueens]

1 hour ago, oakville said:

Joe is outraged at AOC for protesting against Amazon.

Amazon was going to move to my neck of the woods (LIC and Astoria). I guess among the throngs of folks Joe speaks to all the time, he didnt bother finding anyone who lives here and was dreading Amazon because it would price everyone out of the area. 

[teddysmom]

1 hour ago, oakville said:

They certainly tried to portray her as one. Unfortunately it appeared to be somewhat of a one-sided conversation, with everyone agreeing with each other.

AOC is correct in that Amazon didn't need those tax breaks, as they pay no corp income taxes now.  In fact they are receiving a $129 million federal tax rebate. 

If he wants breaks on fees to zone and build a site, okay. But if we pay taxes, shouldn't the wealthiest guy and one of the largest companies in the world pay them?

She is not, as Susan insists, doing schtick to get attention.  If Susan has a problem, direct it to the media.  This is a game with them, they get AOC on record saying something that will drive Republicans crazy.  Remember yesterday when Pete Buttigieg said that there is a struggle between democracy and capitalism? 

There may not be a "pot of money", but the taxes Amazon would have paid would go to infrastucture, and other public programs. That's what she was talking about. 

This was a local issue, Amazon went back to Queens to meet with local officials, city & state, and they wouldn't meet with the Amazon reps.  Here's a brief synopsis of the situation, w/o all the politics from the panelists. 

 https://www.npr.org/2019/02/15/695054824/why-amazon-canceled-its-nyc-plans

[The Solution]

13 hours ago, Kemper said:

Is it me or is it getting harder to tune in every day?  Same lectures or rants given by the hosts (when they are actually on camera); Willy doing the heavy lifting.  Lots of the same guests bringing the same conversation.  

Yes. It is increasingly shrill and nonsensical by the day. Willie and coming here to snark on the show are the only worthwhile things about the situation. I wish they would just give the slot to Willie. He's due.

[oakville]

I was confused by Joe saying that Trump could have built the Wall 2 years ago.

Couldn't the Democrats in the Senate filibuster the bill? I thought the GOP needed 60 votes for that bill.

[teddysmom]

Also of note to Joe, Susan et al, Amazon wasn't going to build in AOC's district.  And why was Google able to locate in NY without a $3 billion incentive? 

[may flowers]

10 minutes ago, teddysmom said:

Also of note to Joe, Susan et al, Amazon wasn't going to build in AOC's district.  And why was Google able to locate in NY without a $3 billion incentive? 

Not only that - AOC didn’t lead the charge against Amazon, community activists did. Joe and Donny have no clue about how or why this happened. They just think business good, community bad. That thinking got us the Trump Tax Cut for millionaires (aka Joe’s excuse for moving to Florida). Joe needed an excuse to publicly revert to Trumpism, and AOC is a convenient one. 

[teddysmom]

4 minutes ago, may flowers said:

Joe and Donny have no clue

I heard something yesterday and realized how much it applies to Joe: 

"I think we might be talking about a 22 caliber mind in a 357 magnum world"

Points if you know what that's from :)

[xaxat]

2 hours ago, oakville said:

I was confused by Joe saying that Trump could have built the Wall 2 years ago.

Couldn't the Democrats in the Senate filibuster the bill? I thought the GOP needed 60 votes for that bill.

Last year there was work on a bipartisan bill that would have provided $25 billion for the wall in exchange for  for legal status for Dreamers (kids that were brought into the country by their parents) but the White House  eventually rejected it.

1 hour ago, may flowers said:

Joe and Donny have no clue about how or why this happened.

This is so true.  They couldn't even get the basic point that it was Amazon, not anyone from NY, that killed the deal right.

They just wanted to complain about AOC. Looks like she is going to replace Hilary as their punching bag, everything the Democrats do that they don't like will be her fault. Amazon  pulls out of Manhattan? AOC! Trump might win re election? AOC! Ebola in Africa? AOC!

[The Solution]

2 hours ago, teddysmom said:

Also of note to Joe, Susan et al, Amazon wasn't going to build in AOC's district.  And why was Google able to locate in NY without a $3 billion incentive? 

My family who still live in Astoria say that AOC is their Congressperson.

[teddysmom]

She is. Amazon was going in at Anable Basin, the 12th district. 

[abbyzenn]

Yesterday it was how dumb does trump think people are? (Actual quote from Joe).   Joe was talking about the wall and trump saying he was already building it, blah blah blah.  trump is toast in 2020.

Today the topic was how the Democrats are handing the 2020 election to trump.

At this rate, Joe's neck will be broken from whiplash before the election get here.

[stormy]

4 hours ago, teddysmom said:

Also of note to Joe, Susan et al, Amazon wasn't going to build in AOC's district.  And why was Google able to locate in NY without a $3 billion incentive? 

I don't get it. Weren't Cuomo and DiBlasio pissed at Amazon for pulling the plug? Saying they had an agreement?

It's too hard for MJ to have on someone that really knows what they're talking about. Better to have Joe, Donnie, Elise play the blame game.

Usually I like Donnie but today was in the "you should listen to me" mode. Bad look, Donnie.

[teddysmom]

28 minutes ago, stormy said:

Weren't Cuomo and DiBlasio pissed at Amazon for pulling the plug? Saying they had an agreement?

Cuomo & DiBlasio negotiated the deal without local involvement.  In this article from CNN Business, concerns about housing costs rising, traffic, etc . 

Wouldn't it be refreshing if the panel knew what they were talking about? 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/15/tech/amazon-nyc-hq2-fail/index.html

Edited February 15, 2019 by teddysmom

[oakville]

50 minutes ago, stormy said:

It's too hard for MJ to have on someone that really knows what they're talking about. Better to have Joe, Donnie, Elise play the blame game.

Usually I like Donnie but today was in the "you should listen to me" mode. Bad look, Donnie.

Agreed. MJ used to be able to attract good guests a few years ago. Now its the same panel almost every day.

Donny is getting too emotional on the set. I remember when he lost his show on MSNBC for insulting Keith Olberman.

[teddysmom]

8 minutes ago, oakville said:

Now its the same panel almost every day.

I was surprised they got Jeremy Bash. He is usually on the prime time shows, esp. 11th Hour.  He must have slept at 30 Rock last night.  They sure don't get A list guests. 

Bradley Cooper was on Colbert last night and it reminded me of when he used to be on Morning Joe a lot, til Mika insulted his movies pre Silver Linings Playbook.  

[xaxat]

I wonder how much of Amazon's decision was driven by the fact that they came to realize that organizers were going to make a huge push to unionize the facility from the start.

Amazon doesn't do unions.

[teddysmom]

1 minute ago, xaxat said:

Amazon doesn't do unions.

Yes, unions make employers give employees breaks to go to the bathroom. 

[xaxat]

Well, I think we now know why Amazon chose to announce their withdrawal on Thursday. Friday, this story broke. Amazon made an $11.2bn profit in 2018 but paid no federal tax. News like that would have made it impossible to move forward. People would have stormed DiBlasio's office.

Go ahead Joe, keep telling yourself they are a benevolent institution and that people calling for higher taxes are socialists.

Edited February 16, 2019 by xaxat

[stormy]

7:08 am Noah speaking truth to power.

Mika says she's with Noah. (me too). But not Joe. He says it's just another Mika hair on fire moment.

[oakville]

Monday Recap: Mika & Joe are in Florida. First topic was Alec baldwin's impersonation of Trump. Joe said Baldwin is improving & sounds like Trump.

Mika is worried about the 25th amendment. She said the FBI & CIA are scared of Trump's behavior.

Haas said the Germans don't like Trump.

Joe like's China forward thinking policy.

[oakville]

Joe is worried about Russia invading countries in Europe like Estonia. Will Trump respond?

Joe said the GOP is doomed in Kentucky if Mitch McConnell allows Trump to use emergency funds for the border wall.

[oakville]

Mika & Joe started showing clips from home. Mika' cat Meatball was rescued . Mika said the cat will be running for President.

[xaxat]

Tuned in at the top of the hour and saw that they were leading with a story about their cat.

I decided I had better things to do with my time.

[oakville]

Joe said he used to listen to the Jackson 5 & the Osmonds growing up.

Joe is ranting about border crossings being low now. There is no crisis,

Joe said people around Trump commit crime.

[Kemper]

31 minutes ago, oakville said:

Joe said he used to listen to the Jackson 5 & the Osmonds growing up.

Joe is ranting about border crossings being low now. There is no crisis,

Joe said people around Trump commit crime.

Yes.  And the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.  I kind of have news fatigue at this point; maybe that is why I am not really even enjoying snarking on these two as much as I used to.  We see the same awfulness all day...then on the shows at night.  By the time it gets to Morning Joe, I've heard it 100 times.  Funny, though...I used to enjoy Joe's rants.

Meeka has a rescued cat?  I'm actually sorry I missed that conversation today...wonder if it sleeps in bed with the two of them?  Mr. Kemper has learned to sleep around our two cats; he actually apologizes to one of them if he (Mr. Kemper) has to get up during the night to "go"...and at his age, that is a few times a night.  

[teddysmom]

3 hours ago, stormy said:

Noah speaking truth to power.

What did he say that Mika agreed with and Joe didn't? Is it Opposites Day? 

[stormy]

1 minute ago, teddysmom said:

What did he say that Mika agreed with and Joe didn't? Is it Opposites Day? 

It was the poor decision to declare a National Emergency over a non National Emergency.

Joe sees it as more of death knell for the republican party

[stormy]

LOL   Joe read trump tweet. I think trump thinks he can shut down SNL and all other press about him he doesn't like.

The Nobel Peace Prize blurb was funny too.

I guess I tuned for the funny factor today. The Chris Wallace/Steven Miller interview was very Rock Em Sock Em Robots good

Edited February 18, 2019 by stormy

[teddysmom]

14 minutes ago, stormy said:

It was the poor decision to declare a National Emergency over a non National Emergency.

Joe sees it as more of death knell for the republican party

I think they're both right, unless the Rs in the Senate stand up to him when the House passes the Joint Resolution. 

[teddysmom]

36 minutes ago, Kemper said:

I kind of have news fatigue at this point; maybe that is why I am not really even enjoying snarking on these two as much as I used to.  We see the same awfulness all day...then on the shows at night.  By the time it gets to Morning Joe, I've heard it 100 times. 

ITA. I've heard everything JoMika talk about the day before. I'm even getting to the point where the late night shows don't interest me. 

[Eliot]

2 hours ago, Kemper said:

I kind of have news fatigue at this point; maybe that is why I am not really even enjoying snarking on these two as much as I used to.  We see the same awfulness all day...then on the shows at night.  By the time it gets to Morning Joe, I've heard it 100 times.  Funny, though...I used to enjoy Joe's rants.

I was thinking the exact same thing this morning as I was listening to the show in the car on my way to the gym. There was no "news" being broken; it was just a rehash of everything I already knew and typical, predictable reactions from everyone on the set.

[millennium]

4 hours ago, stormy said:

very Rock Em Sock Em Robots good

love this, lol

[millennium]

2 hours ago, Eliot said:

I was thinking the exact same thing this morning as I was listening to the show in the car on my way to the gym. There was no "news" being broken; it was just a rehash of everything I already knew and typical, predictable reactions from everyone on the set.

Reactions aren't cutting it any more.   It used to gratify and reassure me to see other people shared my POV.   I guess I imagined that as reactions grew and became stronger it would lead to real action.   Seems I was wrong.

Edited February 18, 2019 by millennium

[meowmommy]

I confess to being a very, very casual watcher of this show; i.e., put it on when I can't sleep at 4 am.  I almost never make it through the whole show, out of boredom or frustration.  The one time I made it to 6 am and I saw they were repeating the first hour, it was like WTF?  If you can't fill a three hour slot, give the third hour to someone else who is willing and able to take it.  Dog knows there are enough folks at MSNBC who could fill the bill.

My random observations are this:

It's a completely different show when Joe and/or Mika is not there.  I've seen it a few times when it was just Willie and mostly a roundtable in NY and it's quite nice.  No grandstanding, no preening, no weird sounds, no constant interruptions.  Shows whose guests are all remote feeds feel very disconnected from their hosts, and of course when the hosts themselves are always disconnected, it's even worse.  

Mika adds nothing, nothing, nothing.  It's obvious that nobody there is interested in her opinion.  The very few times you hear someone say, what do you think, Mika, it's clearly from a producer prompt.  Nobody gives a fuck what she thinks about anything, especially me.  I get more out of Kate McKinnon's SNL impersonation of her.

It's the most undisciplined feed ever.  Mika is trying to stumble over her prompter and go to break or introduce a segment and Joe always, always runs her over with some verbal diarrhea or such and hijacks the flow.

They're both in love with their own voices.  I almost lost it the day after Mittens's op-ed when Mika was practically orgasming, over and over for two hours, at the prospect that Mittens was going to stand up to 45.  Within 48 hours the story was dead, dead, dead.  And Joe?  He usually doesn't sound too bad in his WaPo op-eds, probably because they have editors, but give him an open mike?  Feh.  He thinks because his name is in the title of the show that his is the only opinion that counts and should therefore be the longest and the loudest.

5 hours ago, Eliot said:

There was no "news" being broken; it was just a rehash of everything I already knew and typical, predictable reactions from everyone on the set.

That's so true, at least for me.  By the time these jokers come on the air, I've already watched Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell who were on basically just a few hours before, who've actually had meaningful things to offer.  I give people like John Heilmann (love him!) props for going on the late MSNBC shows and coming back to participate in the drivel of the early hours.  

Oh, and props to @oakville for the wonderful little running weecaps/liveblogging.

[Eliot]

Oh, FFS, Joe is on his diatribe again about the Kavanaugh “rape factory” allegations and I just can’t with this shit.

He and I went to college at roughly the same time, and if he says he never attended a fraternity party where the hosts spiked the punch with the express intent of getting women so drunk they couldn’t say no, then I can’t believe anything he says.

[madfortv]

In the last year, Mika often used this over dramatic voice that I found irritating.  Hearing her normal voice this morning, I appreciate the difference, and remember that this is how she used to sound. It is much better and reminds me of when we first started to watch MJ.

[oakville]

Tuesday recap. Mika & Joe are together on set . Mika is wearing a scarf!. Joe went into a long rant about his 1994 Congressional run. He is a true Conservative.

Joe mutes the twitter feed of his friends that still support Trump.o

Joe called Trump a lifelong democrat.

Joe is mad at Lindsay Graham for investigating the FBI .

Joe is mad at Roger Stone for posting crosshair photo of a judge.

Joe is now in serious rant mode.

Joe wants the Trump fever to break.

[oakville]

Joe said only Joe Biden has a strong lead against Trump.

Mika wrote her favourite candidates on a piece of paper. Joe took the paper and was surprised at the names on her list.

Mika & Joe were mad at Alex for not having the Kamala Harris clip ready.

Joe was happy that Amy Klobuchar was against Medicare for All & Free College.

Barnicle said Bernie did well in 2016 because he was against the rigged DNC coronotaion of Hillary.

Joe said Democrats were foolish to rig the nomination for Hillary.

Joe said he would support modest improvements to Obamacare.

[oakville]

Mika & Joe mocked Kamala's tweet about Jussie smollet. Joe said She probably didn't tweet support for Jussie Smollet. Mika said a staffer wrote the tweet.

Mika is opposed to mob rule.

Joe called Barnicle an old reporter who said it was too good to be true when the details of the attack on Smollet were announced.

[Kemper]

We tuned in about 8:15.  Meeka is really hyper and enthused/shrill.  I saw the push for Joe and his band's appearance.  They were discussing Bernie's announcement.  Since I didn't see the beginnings of the show...did they discuss William Barr's son-in-law quitting his (maybe Justice Department) job and going to work in the Trump White House.?

[teddysmom]

Sometime between 6:30 & 7:00, they were talking about Harris' visit to New Hampshire, and I swear to God Mika said Kamala Harris' prebottle to Sanders", when she meant "rebuttal".  She said it more than once.

Did anyone else hear this?  Was she trying to make a joke that no one else got? 

That clip of Amy Klobuchar was rather jolting.  Joe must be advising her on how to address more progressive issues.  Just say no. 

My sister wants to know what's up with Mika's scarves.  Old Mika is back. White short hair, boobs on high alert, Unitarian scarf. Bitching because the producer yelled at her for missing cues.  Promoting Joe's garage band. Was that a photo of Trump on the poster? So his band's hook is anti Trump music?  After about 5 minutes of that the crowd must start yelling "put on the juke box". 

[eyebleach]

On 2/15/2019 at 10:47 AM, teddysmom said:

I heard something yesterday and realized how much it applies to Joe: 

"I think we might be talking about a 22 caliber mind in a 357 magnum world"

Points if you know what that's from 🙂

Jed Bartlet wins all debates 🙂

[teddysmom]

1 minute ago, eyebleach said:

On 2/15/2019 at 10:47 AM, teddysmom said:

I heard something yesterday and realized how much it applies to Joe: 

"I think we might be talking about a 22 caliber mind in a 357 magnum world"

Points if you know what that's from 🙂

Jed Bartlet wins all debates 🙂

Ding ding ding!!!! Winner!

[oakville]

12 minutes ago, teddysmom said:

Sometime between 6:30 & 7:00, they were talking about Harris' visit to New Hampshire, and I swear to God Mika said Kamala Harris' prebottle to Sanders", when she meant "rebuttal".  She said it more than once.

Did anyone else hear this?  Was she trying to make a joke that no one else got? 

I think Mika said Pre Buttle to Bernie Sanders by saying that she was not a Democratic Socialist.