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LP!! What is happening to you?? 

MTS is STOKED!!!! lol. Good. And so we know: 5 weeks before we see the new work (that is mighty fast actually). I expect it will be tweaks first and then by Feb. sweeps we see complete overhaul.

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 but I've also noticed subtle changes in the acting,

I've noticed that too. Maybe MY put an end to SK's "one take rule". There seems to be a little more subtlety and that's not just a director's influence - if he/she's allowed to, you know, actually give direction to the actors rather the actors trying to fumble for how to play a scene. I think the thing that first got my attention was the fact that SC wasn't using the crazy-eye technique that's been her go-to approach for the past several years (maybe I'm delusional), to react to situations in which the character was essentially caught out by Dylan (I swear, Lucy RIccardo comes to mind when I think about it!), in which he comes up on her in the middle of her hysterical rants about the Sullysecret to Mariah. Seems to me that somebody has actually maybe even buttonholed Herr Gudegast and told him to tone down his combo Mafia don-SS Commander routine just a tad. I feel like I'm probably gonna be hit with a bolt of lightning for saying this, but he was pretty damn effective in emoting his incredulity and grief at Adam's death. Don't get me wrong, I'll not return to being a fan of this guy and I loathe and despise what his character was turned into during Pratt's run amok tenure (truthfully, it started during MAB's turn at the wheel), but even EB must have realized that what Pratt had made Turd devolve to was beyond the pale and needed to undergo major reconstruction. Who knows, maybe MY was given the okay to just tell him that the brass at CBS and Sony have been watching and dealing with his *stuff* for decades and they had reached their limit - or were at their limit - and would no longer put up with that kind of bullshit, so straighten up and fly right or fly out the damn door.

Nah. I think I must have caught a case of delusional flights of fancy.

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Does this mean Kay Alden is leaving B&B?  I think that's where she is now.

No, I heard on DC or something like that she'd left B&B over a year ago, and they made it seem as if it was a contractual dispute about compensation.

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8 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

LMAO. The replies.

 

lol. I know! And they have taken over the #YR timeline with their multiple accounts providing so much "proof" that Phyllis is "in love" with Billy. haha! I love how it was no problem erasing decades of history between Jack and Phyllis (and years between Victoria and Billy) to sell Philly; but now the stans are not having this shit because Phyllis SAID SHE LOVES BILLY BESTEST!! We saw it on our screens!!! wah wah wah! We "invested SEVEN MONTHS" in this pairing. Show OWES US!!!!

8 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

ETA: EH interview. She really, really, really wants Chilly to happen again. Does not know subtly at all, lol.

I guess she figures with the BM-AH pairing out of the picture, she has a good shot again. lol.

13 minutes ago, PatsyandEddie said:

I hope it does happen so that I can FF them together. EH is doing a good job of making me hate Chloe more than I did before. Not as much as NosferaTurd but close. 

I do to. They are both revolting and it would be so sweet to never see either of them again. I truly wonder if show is going this route. I can't imagine they won't chem test. I'm still trying to figure out why they brought EH back. I thought it was to bring a Chancellor story in (with a recasting of Chance). But I wonder if that's on hold for now.

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I'm having doubts about that casting call being for Chance now. I rather suspect it was a smokescreen and they're really quietly looking for a new Adam (despite what MCE said). As for the whims and fancies of EH, why not put this Billy with Chloe or so MY must be  asking himself? Who else but her would he pair this guy with? It's not like she's some universally beloved character to begin with and now, after all her Ninja assassin crap with Adam, she's destroyed as a character anyway and Billyboy the dick is like her separated conjoined twin. A rematch made in hell. MY must be thinking that he can deal with two birds with one stone and they'll be so mutually repulsive and loathed by viewers that he can write them off with a Thelma and Louise flourish and everybody'll be grateful. They'll throw a parade for the guy. (I think if they were thinking of bringing Chance back they might've reconsidered things since the revolt of most viewers about Philly and they're trying to just find a place to park JT for awhile and they figure they can bring in Chance down the road if they still want to, but MR's Travis might have made them reconsider whether they even need another guy of that age range).

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3 hours ago, miamama said:

I love how it was no problem erasing decades of history between Jack and Phyllis (and years between Victoria and Billy) to sell Philly; but now the stans are not having this shit because Phyllis SAID SHE LOVES BILLY BESTEST!! We saw it on our screens!!! wah wah wah! We "invested SEVEN MONTHS" in this pairing. Show OWES US!!!!

A lot of those fans are on the younger side, so it makes sense that they don't take the history of these characters into account; they probs never even watched Phack or Villy through the years. Not that everyone would automatically like those pairings, but to believe what happened with Philly and what was said between them is more important is...interesting.

3 hours ago, miamama said:

I guess she figures with the BM-AH pairing out of the picture, she has a good shot again. lol.

Her comments about Chloe not being able to grieve over Delia with Billy were telling. I wonder if she always felt   Chilly never should have ended or if she's just saying that now because she wants to work with JT so badly, so she's trying to sell that Chilly were robbed. Her insistence that she came back for JT is reaching stalker levels.

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Stalker-Ish and it also doesn't ring true to me about her coming back just to work with the guy. It doesn't pass the smell test. First off, JFP wouldn't have been going full tilt to push Philly unless that's what she was invested in. The move away from that pairing seems to have been in response to disgruntled viewers who loathed them and EH had already been announced as returning to the role well preceding that development. JFP was still in charge then and Pratt was still writing that couple full speed ahead. Why in the hell would JFP, who clearly wanted to plunk her new toy into one half of Super Couple status, be eying EH as the ticket to do that? EH has never been considered even remotely as a hot young thang worthy of being part of any It couple. Going that avenue with JT would have only added a few more nails to the coffin IMO. She simply couldn't have wanted to put Billy with Chloe only for the shock effect it would have by him finding out that his new old squeeze was not only the mother of his new daughter but the murdering avenger of their dead daughter. They both would have that ugly secret hanging over them like the Sword of Damocles and I just can't see JFP wanting that to happen to her new stud.

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15 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

LMAO. The replies.

ETA: EH interview. She really, really, really wants Chilly to happen again. Does not know subtly at all, lol.

http://michaelfairmansoaps.com/news/yrs-elizabeth-hendrickson-video-interview-adams-death-bellas-baby-daddy-drama-a-kevin-chloe-romance-redo/2016/09/24/

5 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

Why the hell would anyone want their character paired with Biscuit right now?

 

Chloe is no longer working with Victor and has explosively stopped annoying to-be-continued Adam, so reuniting to do dirt to NotBilly should be the next thing on Chloe's honey-do list. 

Living with Chelsea after disposing of her husband, pretending to work at Chelsea 2.0, and friend-zoning Kevin doesn't put Chloe in the mix of the big SLs, but re-inserting Chloe into NotBilly's tattered existence as a supportive former friend-with-benefits (and father of Bella, would be my guess) puts EH in every front burner SL NotBilly is stinking up.

It also makes professional, PR and economic sense for EH to want a piece of the NotBilly action when Show is going through a big transition in producers and writers. It wouldn't hurt her career to get in on a big wave of change at Y&R, and reestablish her character with an Abbott anchor baby.   

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36 minutes ago, Artsda said:

I don't remember fighting this hard for Chilly when Billy Miller was playing him, and they actually had a storyline/daughter together then.

I don't either. That's why I thought this  push was really interesting.

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1 hour ago, Artsda said:

I don't remember fighting this hard for Chilly when Billy Miller was playing him, and they actually had a storyline/daughter together then.

BM and EH had plenty of antagonistic heat, but not much personal warmth. They were a little too sharp and spiky with each other, even when the scene didn't call for it.

The best scenes of their relationship were after Delia's death; Chloe hated Billy with the heat of a thousand suns and Billy accepted the immolation for being culpable in Deliah's death. 

TIIC have written JT and EH's approach to their historical relationship under friendlier, almost issue-free circumstances. Sure, Delia's dead, but Chloe seems to have focused all her rage on Adam. With Adam MIA, she can pursue other things, like the sperm donor of Bella. Chloe has time for an active interest in NotBilly, and sympathizes with his being criticized about his affair with Phyllis. Chloe is on the move again. 

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30 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I don't either. That's why I thought this  push was really interesting.

It can't have been lost on EH that when her character's daughter died, BM and AH got the heavy duty scenes while she was in supporting. And they got the Emmys. JFP is gone so maybe she figures she has another shot at having big story tied to the Abbotts. 

I find it silly that EH thinks Billy and Chloe should have grieved more together. Their child shares their DNA; doesn't mean they would grieve together, except for the odd scene here and there.

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7 hours ago, miamama said:

I don't usually care for fan videos but this is beautifully edited. (And ButtBiscuit looks like a psycho stalker in it, lol, as he should.) Really showcases GT/PB and their acting chops. 

The creator's handle is "fartarse" ?

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EH was brought back by Angelica McDaniels. As with all things her idea, JFP worked actively against it to ensure it failed. I kinda feel for EH caught up in that with her character.

McDaniel has also gushed on twitter about how much the new little actress that plays Bella resembles the actress that played Delia. EH originally left because she wanted more grown up stories and out of Kevin's sphere of cartoon crazy. I seriously doubt she came back to play the same thing. I think she was promised something else. 

I agree with EH that she should have been leading the story when Delia died. NOT AH. I was offended that the story played from Billy and Vikki's POV as if it was their child. But every since Villy took off AH as reserved a pet status to rival that of JT now. I also resent that Emmy she won cause of the focus. 

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I agree re: AH and the Delia story. It was silly how it was presented - as though Vicki were Delia's mother. I think at times Chloe was comforting Vicki. RME.

EH could have handled big story. I hate Chloe but the actress has some skill. AH got TWO Emmys out of it FFS. And I have always felt - except for crying ability, which tends to win Emmys - AH is a weak actress.

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15 minutes ago, miamama said:

I agree re: AH and the Delia story. It was silly how it was presented - as though Vicki were Delia's mother. I think at times Chloe was comforting Vicki. RME.

EH could have handled big story. I hate Chloe but the actress has some skill. AH got TWO Emmys out of it FFS. And I have always felt - except for crying ability, which tends to win Emmys - AH is a weak actress.

Yes, that happened more than once. The entire way that story was presented was illogical. I don't blame EH for leaving after that. 

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I did think that EH deserved better treatment after Delia died but I had no issue with Victoria and Billy dealing with it together. It was realistic. They were the couple. It was their marriage that was affected. Billy and Chloe had their moments, as they should, but I didn't think they would suddenly be close due to it. Death of children tend to cause people to pull apart. Billy did from everyone.

The issue with EH was that she was in the middle of two very popular couples (Villy & Chadam) who were the real focus due to the men being presented as rivals. Adam's guilt ate that story alive as much as Billy's breakdown. EH just got the short end of the stick. That said, she was still nominated both times. She could have easily won. I just think AH is more of an industry darling these days. It's politics. 

As for now, I am not surprised EH is campaigning for Chilly again. She used to do it a lot back in the day. You might not remember it but I do. She would always comment on them being cut short or hoping to pick back up their twisted relationship. She would even sometimes tease on twitter scripts that featured their scenes for the Chilly girls. She has never made it a secret. I actually hope she gets her way. Curious to see how this version of Billy treats her in a romantic sense.

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I remember EH pushing Chilly on Twitter. In fact poor AH was trolled during a live Twitter chat by Chilly stans. (Have I mentioned how much I hate Twitter ship stans?) I think EH is hoping to reignite that group with her comments. 

Kevin is a fast track to nowhere. Abbotts (Jack and Billy anyways) and Newmans are the only ones to get story. So you're better off paired with them, it seems.

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23 hours ago, miamama said:

Abbotts (Jack and Billy anyways) and Newmans are the only ones to get story. So you're better off paired with them, it seems.

And that's become a huge problem for this show and led to the canvas being overly Newman centric and heavy. Too much inbreeding. The show was far richer when other characters besides Newmans and Jack and Billy were written for. I'm hoping SSM and KA, who both around when the show wasn't so Newman focused, realizes this and widens the canvas. 

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Surely Alden was around during the pre Abbott/Newman era of Brooks' and Fosters?  She might know how to structure the show.  The problem is they don't have a strong third and fourth second string family (like the Prentiss' and the Williams,) yet oddly the cast feels too big - probably because they've failed largely to integrate them.  Though you could argue the Winters' collective hand wringing about Jack represents an improvement... for once the majority of people in town (save planet Chelsea) are aware/engaged in the biggest story on the canvas.  (Much as I loathe Victor, I quite liked him giggling on the sofa when he found out... that was real... didn't advance the story much but it was a nice break from the endless plot movement.)  Out there in the ether is Brooks Prentiss, Jennifer Foster, a whole raft of potential relations that could fatten the gene pool and the storylines.  Even the Winters' are capable of being made to work under the right circumstances.  (Although Devon is a bad actor.  Just a wooden, bad actor.  Not cringe bad but not very good.  He and Hillary were walking all over each other in their Chancellor Cheap Outdoor Furniture, Faux Pottery and Dog Walking Area scenes.) 

The writing for Jess Walton right now is crap.  She is a better actress than the garbage they're giving her.  Jill is a pointless meddler.  The problem with the scripts to date is they never explore deeply enough the motivations or the conflict for the characters.  Why does Jill meddle so with Billy? They came close in the heart attack turned fart scene but they never paid it off fully.  (For that matter, why did she give such an intense fig about Jack's feelings in all this mess?  She and Jack barely speak and I wouldn't call them ripe with affection for each other.) This mess is ripe for a reflective, revealing scene between Jack and Jill on that time they decided to destroy everyone's lives with a snowy romp in the woods.  Like Victor giggling on the couch, it wouldn't accomplish much but would be such a nice touch.   Anyway I should trod off to the fix the show thread... 

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23 minutes ago, Big Blue Plate said:

Surely Alden was around during the pre Abbott/Newman era of Brooks' and Fosters?  She might know how to structure the show.  The problem is they don't have a strong third and fourth second string family (like the Prentiss' and the Williams,) yet oddly the cast feels too big - probably because they've failed largely to integrate them.  Though you could argue the Winters' collective hand wringing about Jack represents an improvement... for once the majority of people in town (save planet Chelsea) are aware/engaged in the biggest story on the canvas.  (Much as I loathe Victor, I quite liked him giggling on the sofa when he found out... that was real... didn't advance the story much but it was a nice break from the endless plot movement.)  Out there in the ether is Brooks Prentiss, Jennifer Foster, a whole raft of potential relations that could fatten the gene pool and the storylines.  Even the Winters' are capable of being made to work under the right circumstances.  (Although Devon is a bad actor.  Just a wooden, bad actor.  Not cringe bad but not very good.  He and Hillary were walking all over each other in their Chancellor Cheap Outdoor Furniture, Faux Pottery and Dog Walking Area scenes.) 

The writing for Jess Walton right now is crap.  She is a better actress than the garbage they're giving her.  Jill is a pointless meddler.  The problem with the scripts to date is they never explore deeply enough the motivations or the conflict for the characters.  Why does Jill meddle so with Billy? They came close in the heart attack turned fart scene but they never paid it off fully.  (For that matter, why did she give such an intense fig about Jack's feelings in all this mess?  She and Jack barely speak and I wouldn't call them ripe with affection for each other.) This mess is ripe for a reflective, revealing scene between Jack and Jill on that time they decided to destroy everyone's lives with a snowy romp in the woods.  Like Victor giggling on the couch, it wouldn't accomplish much but would be such a nice touch.   Anyway I should trod off to the fix the show thread... 

They have to give Winters story (and they will under Mal). It's 2016 and obscene that black characters get short shrift.

Jack and Jill have had many conversations reflecting how their relationship has deepened into a solid friendship, even family. She has considered herself an Abbott for most of JW's tenure. It's a rare occasion of show using shared history and long term scene partners well. 

I love Jess but I don't think she's a great actress. She's old school soap harpy. That's why she is best in fueds and as meddler. IMO.

The Chancellors can easily come back with Chance. I don't feel the need to see the Prentiss/Brooks era. They haven't been players sine the first 7 years of show. 

Did Kay Alden bring those sisters? Trisha Denison? She seems to get the idea of brand new blood and integrating.

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Just saw on TVLine this morning that TIU has been picked up by NBC for the full fall through May sweeps season(s). So, JH is definitely gone and I don't expect him to make any comeback to any daytime lineup until or if his primetime and big screen ops start to fizzle in the future. While I think they're invested in trying to make Chick work, I'm pretty skeptical JM and MCE are going to be able to create the same dynamic that took hold with the viewers, but maybe they don't care that much about that any longer. I was not ever a fan of the Chadam pairing so it won't bother me one way or the other, but I definitely don't want MY and the writers to let this open-ended question about what happened to Adam to just hang in the air either, and I don't want that character to be dead for real. There's way to much story left in tying up the loose ends surrounding Chloe's involvement with Turd and vice versa, and since neither one of them is going to give the other up unless it means saving their own life (and in Chloe's case, maybe her custodial rights with Bella), the only other character that has any meaningful stake in what transpired is, in my opinion, Adam.  Having Dylan, Paul, Kevin, Chelsea or anyone else untangle the secrets involved in his "death" just won't do, and Chloe's proven herself to be a consummate liar and schemer and I find the accidentally exploded propane tank to be less than lame (so her portrayer's account to the soap media is taken with less than a grain of salt by this viewer as she explicitly told Adam that she was there to "watch him die" and unless she put poison in that dart she shot him with or she rigged the tank, how else could she have set him up to die? Any way you slice it or dice it, she intended to kill him and EH claiming now that she didn't really mean it is just laughable). It would immensely satisfying to me to have Adam return and torment her right back into that padded room she came from - only this time permanently. I wasn't thrilled when they wrote EH back on the show and I'd be ecstatic if they had her exit in some kind of bloody, explosive ending in which we actually watch Chloe blow herself up  - accidentally for real this time - in front of the entire population in the middle of Chancellor Park because this character doesn't deserve any happily ever after storylines and she never did.

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When I left Y%R. That was a decision made from years of not enjoying playing that particular character. Nobody there wanted to change Phyllis. And it became stale. And so my life became stale; there was little freedom f for me to do other things. And when I communicated, it wasn't heard. 

I've never talked about this until right now, going to General Hospital and playing a new character, the attacks against me for doing my own thing in my personal life ... well, I've been hit really, really hard.

Attacks like?

'You aren't as good as you were on Y&R'; 'General Hospital never worked for you ... why did you leave Y&R for this?'; 'Gina (Tognoni, now playing Phyllis) is so much better than you'; 'The Stafford Project - you didn't get it sold.' And this came from people I thought were my friends, too. You read or see an interview and you're like, wow. It's just been a tough couple years. 

 

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2 hours ago, miamama said:

"Nobody there wanted to change Phyllis. And it became stale. And so my life became stale; there was little freedom f for me to do other things. And when I communicated, it wasn't heard."

Let me translate:

After MAB left I couldn't dictate my character's story lines any longer. It was so unfair because in the good days, if I wanted to pseudo fuck Josh or Jeff, I did it. If I wanted to ream out other "heroines," leaving spittle on their faces, I DID IT. If I wanted to play my scenes without a bra on, my deal. But that ended as other "actresses" got more screen time and I was no longer in every single episode and in every single storyline. My stale character was paired with stale Jack (as if Peter Bergman isn't old enough to play my dad, right?), who is not buff and waxed and he wants to fucking rehearse. My very high paying job, where I had to be on the back burner for the first time in a decade, caused the rest of my life to be restrictive. I hardly had any screen time and so, yes, I had tons of free hours, but not getting my way at Y&R killed my desire to do anything else.

She is a first class asshole.

And people questioned your choice because things didn't go so well after you sulked out of a good job. Welcome to being an adult.

And I see her buddy Branco is still giving blow job interviews. 

Yep, first class asshole and a fourth rate talent, and that only on her best days.

I haven't watched GH in a couple of years, but I've read she didn't like Roger Howarth, her frequent partner on that show, because he also rehearsed and didn't care for her lack of preparation.  He sucks, too, on that show, but unlike her, he actually has talent.

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20 hours ago, miamama said:

"Nobody there wanted to change Phyllis. And it became stale. And so my life became stale; there was little freedom f for me to do other things. And when I communicated, it wasn't heard."

Let me translate:

After MAB left I couldn't dictate my character's story lines any longer. It was so unfair because in the good days, if I wanted to pseudo fuck Josh or Jeff, I did it. If I wanted to ream out other "heroines," leaving spittle on their faces, I DID IT. If I wanted to play my scenes without a bra on, my deal. But that ended as other "actresses" got more screen time and I was no longer in every single episode and in every single storyline. My stale character was paired with stale Jack (as if Peter Bergman isn't old enough to play my dad, right?), who is not buff and waxed and he wants to fucking rehearse. My very high paying job, where I had to be on the back burner for the first time in a decade, caused the rest of my life to be restrictive. I hardly had any screen time and so, yes, I had tons of free hours, but not getting my way at Y&R killed my desire to do anything else.

She is a first class asshole.

And people questioned your choice because things didn't go so well after you sulked out of a good job. Welcome to being an adult.

And I see her buddy Branco is still giving blow job interviews. 

LOL.

One of the very few improvements JFP made toY&R was telling Stafford to take several seats and rehearse her fucking lines. Good riddance to her if she couldn't hack it.

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1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

Peter was so hurt by her behavior. It was such a crappy situation.

Yup.

54 minutes ago, boes said:

Yep, first class asshole and a fourth rate talent, and that only on her best days.

I haven't watched GH in a couple of years, but I've read she didn't like Roger Howarth, her frequent partner on that show, because he also rehearsed and didn't care for her lack of preparation.  He sucks, too, on that show, but unlike her, he actually has talent.

Interesting.

Peter B. did an interview two or three years ago and talked about the Phick story and specifically the scene when Jack and Phyllis split up over it. He said he considered Michelle a good friend and this was a pivotal moment because she was moving on to her next big love on the show. He described her as "very happy" to move on and away from him. He said he was hurt. And he said his real feelings spilled into the Phack breakup scene. What did MS do in response? She posted an interview with Branco a few days later going on and on about how AWESOME Roger Howarth is and how happy she is over at GH. Branco asks: "Is RH the BEST LEADING MAN you've ever worked with?" and she said "Yes.In fact, he is."

That's MS, classy as ever. 

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6 hours ago, miamama said:

"Nobody there wanted to change Phyllis. And it became stale. And so my life became stale; there was little freedom f for me to do other things. And when I communicated, it wasn't heard."

Let me translate:

After MAB left I couldn't dictate my character's story lines any longer. It was so unfair because in the good days, if I wanted to pseudo fuck Josh or Jeff, I did it. If I wanted to ream out other "heroines," leaving spittle on their faces, I DID IT. If I wanted to play my scenes without a bra on, my deal. But that ended as other "actresses" got more screen time and I was no longer in every single episode and in every single storyline. My stale character was paired with stale Jack (as if Peter Bergman isn't old enough to play my dad, right?), who is not buff and waxed and he wants to fucking rehearse. My very high paying job, where I had to be on the back burner for the first time in a decade, caused the rest of my life to be restrictive. I hardly had any screen time and so, yes, I had tons of free hours, but not getting my way at Y&R killed my desire to do anything else.

She is a first class asshole.

And people questioned your choice because things didn't go so well after you sulked out of a good job. Welcome to being an adult.

And I see her buddy Branco is still giving blow job interviews. 

Brilliant! And spot on! MS let her ego rule choices and is paying the price. 

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3 hours ago, miamama said:

Yup.

Interesting.

Peter B. did an interview two or three years ago and talked about the Phick story and specifically the scene when Jack and Phyllis split up over it. He said he considered Michelle a good friend and this was a pivotal moment because she was moving on to her next big love on the show. He described her as "very happy" to move on and away from him. He said he was hurt. And he said his real feelings spilled into the Phack breakup scene. What did MS do in response? She posted an interview with Branco a few days later going on and on about how AWESOME Roger Howarth is and how happy she is over at GH. Branco asks: "Is RH the BEST LEADING MAN you've ever worked with?" and she said "Yes.In fact, he is."

That's MS, classy as ever. 

I remember this. But, in her head, that might have been intended as more a slight to JM than PB. She cares about hurting JM. I don't think she gives PB a thought. 

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