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[TigerLynx]

They should have left Ridge and Caroline 2 together, or put him with Quinn.  Put Eric back with Donna.  So long as Eric is married to a younger woman, he seems to be happy.  Ridge and Brooke were played out long before RM left the show.

[CharlizeCat]

I think that the out of left field move by Pam to end the engagement was the result of a hard swerve by the writers. It doesn't make any sense. For years now, Pam has been dropping hints right and left about how much she would love to get married to Charlie. Honestly, I would have been OK with a wedding at the Forrester mansion complete with Stephanie's portrait for the day. After all, if Quinn relented for her portrait to be taken down for Garbridge and Raya, what difference did it make?

My take is that the writers saw that they were painting Pam into a corner as a psycho where the only real options were for her and Charlie to go quietly off into the sunset and elope or for Pam to go to a psychiatric hospital. I don't know how much of a fan base those two have, so I have no idea if Bell was getting any backlash. Using Pam as the catalyst to break up Queric was a weak one at best and didn't really have enough legs to do the job. 

So instead, come up with a quick solution to back burner Charlie and Pam for an indefinite period and let Donna become the immediately threat.  I thought that Queric hosting a "welcome back" dinner for Donna, right on the heels of the huge bust-up with Pam, seemed very odd. In essence, Eric was also disrespecting Quinn by having both Katie and Donna, two women whom Quinn despises, to be celebrated/entertained in her home.

What might have been better and more realistic was to go ahead and have Quinn grit her teeth and host the wedding. Having Donna attend (which wouldn't raise eyebrows), and have her organically interact/reminisce with Eric during the festivities could allow things to blossom at a slower pace and also wouldn't make Donna come off as a predator who seemingly returned to L.A. solely to reclaim "Honey Bear."

But ... as we all know ... that's not the way Bad Bell rolls. 

Otherwise, I was applauding Justin for cracking Sludge and the Judge. I am salivating in anticipation of that slimy cretin getting his payback from Bill. The way Sludge's smug face and gloating during the dinner party about escaping prosecution from Bill and once again proclaiming his hatred for Bill, makes me want for him to go to prison for life, for tampering with the case and attempting to murder Bill. BRING. IT. ON!! 

[RuntheTable]

Just got caught up on this weeks episodes and there was so much McFuckery. 

Can I say I am pissed that they have wasted Pam? There is no doubt that AM has the acting chops, just look at the scene they gave us of Mom Betty dying. Even though BW did very little, the acting mojo was strong with those women; that was one of the few times I ever truly felt sorry for Stephanie. They could have taken Pam in an entirely different direction and made her a viable cast member instead of a day player that has a fixation on Lemon Bars, her deceased sister, her deceased sister's widower, his house, and his current wife. It is just lazy and sloppy writing, and is a slap in the face to those who suffer true mental illness. 

Is it something in the water? A secret Forrester men's society darker than Stepford? Because I just don't get it. Well that isn't exactly true. I get it with Brooke and Katie. But I will never get it with Quinn. Yet, there she is, rolling over and offering her belly to Eric, complete with tail wagging and a big smile of submission. Ah, shucks babe! Sure, we can have Pam's wedding here! What the heck, why don't we just set this big ole house up as a venue? An LA destination wedding site with couture's most notorious family!

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Addendum:

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I am not sure if I am madder about Show's handling of Pam's crazy or Quinn's crazy. Pam's is supposed to be organic, and controllable with medication. Really? Pam is always borderline nutty; carrying around platters of unwanted Lemon Bars, beating the Eric and Stephanie drum, all the weirdness with Hope, and that whole feeling of only being half there. The handling of Pam is rude, wrong, and insulting; they pigeon hole mental illness, worse, they make it cartoonish. Quinn's crazy was more about a hard, loveless life, and the resulting empty shell it left. Quinn had never known love or acceptance, so she became obsessive over Wyatt, and that obsession would allow her to do anything she thought would benefit him. This kind of crazy can be managed with good counseling, but of course Quinn never got that, she got Eric, and he seems to have been really good for her. Until now. Now he is pissing me off. Not because he is siding with Pam. No, it is his house too, and he has a right to his opinion and his feelings. No, what I don't like is Quinn having her own opinion, one that differs from Eric's, and Eric telling Quinn that having her own thoughts on the situation means she is "reverting". That is the most fucked up shit that ever fucked! I will allow that going to Charlie was way out of line, but all Quinn did was talk. No weapons. No threats. Old Quinn would have been all up in Charlie's shit, telling him he better do something to change Pam's mind.....or else. And she has most assuredly not been the aggressor with Pam. Pam has continually barged into Quinn's space, or home, or mansion, whatever; Pam was not invited and just charged in and was on the attack. Repeatedly. I know Stephanie was Pam's sister, but enough with it already show. Quinn has never had a problem with Stephanie being Eric's deceased wife. She doesn't have a problem with Brooke in that regard either, although it does appear she is not so fond of Donna. No, the problem isn't Stephanie, the problem is the constant comparing to Stephanie. I cannot imagine any woman tolerating that bullshit. Here, let me just let myself into your house, and then let me proceed to tell you how you will never be My Sister. How you will never measure up. How you will always be an outsider. How you aren't good enough to have your portrait hanging in My Sister's home. 

But even if that nonsense wasn't going on. Even if Pam wasn't insulting and denigrating Quinn at every turn, it still doesn't mean Quinn is "reverting." It means she has an opinion about something that is being held at her house. Were she will be forced to play nice kissy face with the woman who slams that same face in the mud daily. I am just about done with it. Fuckers. 

Bill will never change. And that is a good thing! I mean, the very fact that a $100 bill kept him from going back under speaks volumes. The fact that Brooke knew how to keep him with her speaks volumes too. How many ways can I use fuck? However many, it will never be enough to express my level of anger and pissedofeddness. Not fair Show. Don't show me Brooke as Queen Stepford, flashing back to Australia. This whole thing is so contrary. And aggravating. I am convinced someone, be it those in charge, or TK, made the conscious decision to destroy and dismantle Ronn Moss's nearly three decades of work. Ronn's Ridge was a jerk, and I hated him, but I also loved him. Kinda like with Bill. I could get past so much with Ronn, because he had that lovely, charming smile. And when he was with his woman, there was a warmth in his eyes, and when he said "My Logan" it didn't sound ugly and dirty. Ronn was a piece of wood, but he wasn't a brute. He could be a bully on occasions, but there was never the slightest inkling of any physical abuse. Ronn would say his piece, give you that incredible smile, and sweep out of the room like the Grand Dame he was. Conversely, Thorsten stands his ground, legs spread, arms crossed, glaring at you. He pounds one fist into the other. He smiles but it never reaches his eyes, and the smile only comes out when he is laying out a cutting remark. He gloats, and eggs on, he is a Rockin Rolla, just spoiling for a fight. Brooke has lived most of her adult life in fear of Ridge's actions, but she has never feared him, or thought he might resort to physical violence. I am not sure I like this SL. If you want to break up Bridge, please do so with my blessing, but let's cut out the borderline domestic abuse. 

Leo? OH.MY. Please tell me he is sticking around. So, so, so nice. We need more single, non Forrester, Logan. Spencer men on this damn show! Get rid of those stinkin interns and hire this guy, and go and get Judge Lando and Dr. Holden, and there was Katie's hunky Dr. too. 

Speaking of those stinkin interns. Why is it the only time I get to see Sally is when they are on? Are you using CH as a draw for the tweenie weebies? Don't do that. For fucks sake Show, you screwed up Sally's SL the first time around, then you let this incredible person go, then you have the good sense to bring her back, and what have you done with her? Had her shooting guns at Wyatt's house, and she has spent a lot of time in bed, and couch, with Wyatt. Then you started to give her something with Zoe, but they are besties now. Then you started to give her something with designing for the Intimates line, and now she is modeling too. Ok. But, why do I only see her once a month, and why does she have to share screen time with those kids? 

So, Eric and Donna thought it would be "awkward" for Will to come home and find Donna dressed in lingerie, but didn't find it at all "awkward" for Eric, the ex-husband, to find Donna dressed in lingerie. Or even odder, when Donna put any pretense of trying to cover up to rest by dropping all the stuff she was holding, and chose instead to place her hand on her hip and model for Eric. Nope. Not awkward at all. Or strange. Even so, JG looks amazing. 

Why were they having a Forrester/Logan celebration dinner for Pam and Charlie's wedding? 

I have noticed that Quinn is dressing in a lot of black again. Troubling. 

I would crawl across broken glass and upturned thumbtacks to have CH's body for just one day. Anything longer and I fear it wouldn't look the same. 

Edited November 3, 2018 by RuntheTable

[ByTor]

2 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

What might have been better and more realistic was to go ahead and have Quinn grit her teeth and host the wedding.

Don't you mean the damn wedding? :)

[domi]

Il y a 4 heures, RuntheTable a déclaré:

Je viens juste d'être rattrapé par les épisodes de cette semaine et il était tellement de McFuckery. 

Puis-je dire que je suis énervé qu'ils ont perdu Pam? Il n'y a aucun doute sur ce que les côtelettes d'acteur, il suffit de regarder la scène qu'ils ont donné à la mort de maman Betty. Même si BW a très peu fait, le temps entre eux était fort avec ces femmes; c'est l'une des rares fois où je me suis sentie vraiment désolée pour Stéphanie. Vouloir prendre un self-to-self-make-self-self-actor à un self-to-cally, il a été défait, il est décédé, il est décédé, il est décédé, sa maison et son épouse actuelle. C'est juste une écriture paresseuse et bâclée. 

Est-ce quelque chose dans l'eau? Une société secrète des hommes de Forrester plus sombre que Stepford? Parce que je ne comprends pas. Eh bien, ce n'est pas tout à fait vrai. Je comprends avec Brooke et Katie. Mais je ne l'obtiendrai jamais avec Quinn. Pourtant, voici le retour et offre son ventre à Eric, avec le fichier d'attente et un grand sourire de soumission. Ah merde bébé! Bien sûr, nous pouvons avoir le mariage de Pam ici! Qu'est-ce que c'est, pourquoi ne pas simplement mettre cette grande maison comme un lieu? Un site de mariage à destination de LA avec la famille la plus notoire de la couture!

Venez vous joindre à Forrester pour votre journée spéciale! Vous pouvez choisir une cérémonie à l'intérieur ou à l'extérieur. Toutes les commodités vous seront communiquées, y compris les boissons, la nourriture, les gâteaux, les faveurs et notre maison d'hôtes, mais jamais désinfectée. Pour un coût supplémentaire de 100 $, vous êtes suspendu dans la salle principale. 

Addenda:

Nous ne serons pas responsables du préjudice physique qui ont été survenir pendant votre séjour et ne sont pas responsables des frais médicaux ou d'inhumation. 

Je ne suis pas sûr de dire que je ne suis pas à la mode avec Pam ou de Quinn. Pam est censé être organique et contrôlable avec des médicaments. Vraiment? Pam est toujours à la limite de la noisette; transportant autour de plateaux de barres de suspension, de tambour, de tambour d'Eric et Stéphanie, de l'étrangeté avec Hope, et de ce sentiment d'être à moitié là-bas. Le comportement de Pam est impoli, injuste et insultant. Ils ont fait la maladie mentale, pire, ils ont été rendus caricaturale. La folie de Quinn était plutôt une vie dure et sans amour, et la coquille était visible qu'elle laissait.Quinn n'avait jamais connu l'amour ou l'acceptation, elle était donc obsédée par Wyatt, et cette obsession lui permettait de faire tout ce qu'il était bénéfique. Ce genre de genre peut être géré avec un bon conseil, mais bien sûr, Quinn n'a jamais été ce, elle est eu Eric, et il semble vraiment avoir bon pour elle. Jusqu'à maintenant. Maintenant il me fait chier. Pas parce qu'il se situe du côté de Pam. Non, c'est aussi sa maison et il a droit à son opinion et à ses sentiments. Non, ce que je n'aime pas, c'est que Quinn était une opinion personnelle, une opinion différente de celle d'Eric, et Eric lui dit qu'elle-même elle-même réfléchie, elle "reviendra". C ' Quay n' est pas à parler. Aucune menace.The old Quinn aurait été complètement dans la merde de Charlie, il était en train de dire qu'il ferait mieux de faire quelque chose pour changer d'avis ... ou autre. Et elle n'a certainement pas été l'agresseur avec Pam. Pam a continuellement fait irruption dans l’espace, la maison ou le manoir de Quinn, peu importe; Pam n'a pas été invité et vient d'être chargé sur l'attaque. À plusieurs reprises. Je sais que Stéphanie était la soeur de Pam, qu'elle n'a jamais été un problème avec Stephanie, mais la femme décédée d'Eric. Elle n'a pas de problème avec ce qui s'est passé. Stéphanie Problème, le Problème constant en comparaison à Stéphanie.Je ne peux imaginer aucune femme tolérant ces conneries. Ici, laissez-moi juste laisser entrer chez vous, ne laissez jamais être ma sœur. Comment vous ne serez jamais à la hauteur. Comment tu seras toujours un outsider. Assez pour avoir votre portrait accroché dans la maison de ma soeur. 

Mais même si ce non-sens ne se passe pas. Même si Pam n'a pas insulté et dénoncé à chaque tournant, il ne signifie toujours pas que Quinn "revient". Cela signifie qu'elle a été choisie chez elle. Si elle sera obligée de jouer un beau visage avec le même visage dans la boue tous les jours. J'en ai presque fini. Fuckers 

Bill ne changera jamais. Et c'est une bonne choisie! Je veux dire, simplement fait ce billet de 100 dollars. Le fait que Brooke ait su garder avec elle aussi longtemps. De combien de façons puis-je utiliser la baise? Cependant, beaucoup ne suffiront jamais pour exprimer mon niveau de colère et de colère. Spectacle pas juste. Ne me montre pas Brooke en tant que reine Stepford qui revient en Australie. Toute cette affaire est si contraire. Et aggravant. Je suis convaincu que quelqu'un, qui est responsable ou TK, a pris la décision de détruire et de supprimer près de trois victimes du travail de Ronn Moss. Ronn's Ridge était un peu plus discret, mais je l'aimais aussi.Un peu comme avec Bill. Je pouvais tellement passer avec Ronn, parce qu'il avait charmant et charmant sourire. Et quand il était avec sa femme, il y avait une chaleur dans ses yeux, et quand il a dit "Mon Logan", ça n'a pas semblé laid et sale. Ronn était un morceau de bois, mais il n'était pas une brute. Il ne peut jamais avoir et de moindre idée de violence physique. Ronn dirait sa pièce, tu aurais ce sourire incroyable et la pièce comme la grande dame qu'il était. Inversement, Thorsten se tient debout, les jambes écartées, les bras croisés, vous dévisageant. Il sourit mais cela ne parvient jamais aux yeux, et le sourire ne revient pas quand elle pose une remarque tranchante.Il jubile et des œufs dessus, il est un Rockin Rolla, juste pour un combat. Brooke a vécu la plus grande partie de la vie adulte dans la crainte des actions de la dorsale, mais elle n'a jamais craint de devenir une tyran à l'occasion, mais il n'y avait jamais de moindre idée de violence physique. Ronn dirait sa pièce, tu aurais ce sourire incroyable et la pièce comme la grande dame qu'il était. Inversement, Thorsten se tient debout, les jambes écartées, les bras croisés, vous dévisageant. Il frappe un poing dans l'autre. Il sourit mais cela ne parvient jamais aux yeux, et le sourire ne revient pas quand elle pose une remarque tranchante. Il jubile et des œufs dessus, il est un Rockin Rolla, juste pour un combat.Brooke a vécu la plus grande partie de la vie adulte dans la crainte des actions de la dorsale, mais elle n'a jamais craint de devenir une tyran à l'occasion, mais il n'y avait jamais de moindre idée de violence physique. Ronn dirait sa pièce, tu aurais ce sourire incroyable et la pièce comme la grande dame qu'il était. Inversement, Thorsten se tient debout, les jambes écartées, les bras croisés, vous dévisageant. Il frappe un poing dans l'autre. Il sourit mais cela ne parvient jamais aux yeux, et le sourire ne revient pas quand elle pose une remarque tranchante. Il jubile et des œufs dessus, il est un Rockin Rolla, juste pour un combat.Brooke a vécu la plus grande partie de la vie adulte dans la crainte des actions de la dorsale, mais elle n'a jamais craint les jambes écartées, les bras croisés, vous fixant. Il frappe un poing dans l'autre. Il sourit mais cela ne parvient jamais aux yeux, et le sourire ne revient pas quand elle pose une remarque tranchante. Il jubile et des œufs dessus, il est un Rockin Rolla, juste pour un combat. Brooke a vécu la plus grande partie de la vie adulte dans la crainte des actions de la dorsale, mais elle n'a jamais craint les jambes écartées, les bras croisés, vous fixant. Il frappe un poing dans l'autre. Il sourit mais cela ne parvient jamais aux yeux, et le sourire ne revient pas quand elle pose une remarque tranchante.Il jubile et des œufs dessus, il est un Rockin Rolla, juste pour un combat. Brooke a vécu la plus grande partie de la vie adulte dans la crainte des actions de dorsale, mais elle n'a jamais craint de lui , ou pensait qu'il pourrait passer à la violence physique. Je ne suis pas sûr d'aimer cette SL. Bridge, s'il vous plaît, faites-le avec ma bénédiction, mais éliminez-vous de la violence domestique à la limite. 

Leo? OH MON. S'il vous plaît, dis-moi qu'il reste dans les parages. Tellement, tellement, tellement. Nous avons besoin de plus de célibataires, non Forrester, Logan. Spencer Men sur ce foutu spectacle! Vous êtes ici: stagiaires et embauchez ce type, et allez chercher le juge Lando et le docteur Holden, et il y avait aussi le docteur Hunky de Katie. 

En parlant de ces internes puants. Pourquoi est-ce que ce seul moment où je vois Sally est quand ils sont allumés? Utilisez-vous un sort pour les tweenie weebies? Ne fais pas ça. Pour fucks sake Show, tu as bousillé Sally SL la première fois, puis tu as laissé partir cette incroyable personne, puis tu as le bon sens de ramener, et qu'as-tu fait d'elle? Elle a passé ses armes dans la maison de Wyatt et elle a passé beaucoup de temps avec Wyatt. Ensuite, vous avez commencé à lui donner quelque chose avec Zoé, mais ce sont les meilleures choses à présenter. Intimates, et maintenant, est également pour le modèle. D'accord.Mais pourquoi ne vois-tu pas ce qui passe maintenant? 

Donc, Eric et Donna ont dit qu'il était "gênant" que Donna vêtue de lingerie, mais n'a pas été retrouvé du tout "gênant" pour Eric, l'ex-mari, de trouver Donna vêtue de lingerie. Ou encore plus étrange, quand on fait semblant d'essayer de se couvrir en passant tout ce qu'il avait choisi de choisir son nom pour Eric. Nan. Pas gênant du tout. Ou étrange. Malgré tout, JG a l'air incroyable. 

Pourquoi organiser un dîner de célébration avec Forrester / Logan pour le mariage de Pam et Charlie? 

J'ai remarqué que Quinn s'habille beaucoup de noir. Troublant 

Je passe à travers les vitres brisées et les punaises retournées pour avoir le corps de CH pendant un jour seulement. Rien de plus et je crains que ça ne soit pas pareil. 

Les yeux de crête brillant avec une seule personne ...Real chimistry between them...

[Anna Yolei]

On 11/3/2018 at 9:48 AM, RuntheTable said:

No, what I don't like is Quinn having her own opinion, one that differs from Eric's, and Eric telling Quinn that having her own thoughts on the situation means she is "reverting".

Yeah. As someone with anxiety who has had my "quirks" brought up in big fights, that hits a sore spot. Eric knew who Quinn was when he married her a whopping four months after Liam was freed from Captive Cabin. He's heard from literally every member of his family what bad news she was. He may have gotten snowed by Sheila back in the day, but Quinn's antics have been in the spotlight for years before they ever dated.

And to use that past as a black mark against her for something any spouse would rightfully be upset by pisses me off. I expect nothing less from Eric, considering all the times he took Stephanie back near the end and was surprised every time she pulled her crap, but he's still full of absolute shit for it.

[RuntheTable]

So sweet!

 

And just lookey who is there! Ashleigh Brewer. Yes please. 

[Anna Yolei]

Boy, this Donna vs Quinn shit is already stale. ??

I'm glad Brooke brought up Australia to Ridge. Not that it penetrated that peabrain of his but it was needed.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Why don't they show domestic staff anymore (besides nannies and babysitters)? I can't believe these wealthy people serve themselves food and do stuff like the dishes and laundry. Sure the Logan girls didn't come from money but they've married into it and lived with it long enough to have left the "downstairs" mentality behind. And I think that was a cheap shot Ridge made about Pam. She works for FC but she's not their servant.

I didn't realize the honey bear thing was a real life reference. Wonder if the company pays for product placement?

Ruh, roh. Will Brooke finally betray her husband for Bill? Go on, Brooke. Do it! Ridge doesn't deserve your loyalty. He's basically treating you like chattel.

[Anna Yolei]

On 11/5/2018 at 3:23 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

I didn't realize the honey bear thing was a real life reference. Wonder if the company pays for product placement?

I don't know if the company paid for airtime, but there were plenty of references abound to honey for the five or so years they were together. How d'ya think Pam got the idea to feed Donna to the wild bear hanging around the cabin and to lure it by pouring her with honey? ? 

But damn, Donna coming on strong there, the show's hardly being subtle. I wonder if Pam will be more supportive of a Deric reunion this time around ?

On 11/5/2018 at 3:23 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Ruh, roh. Will Brooke finally betray her husband for Bill? Go on, Brooke. Do it! Ridge doesn't deserve your loyalty. He's basically treating you like chattel.

Brooke really should've cut her losses 20 years ago when Ridge ditched her and then-grade school aged Rick and Bridget to play happy family with Taylor. I don't know to this day why Throoke was ended the way it did, whether it was because TIIC thought there was no story without Macy or they were gonna make Breacon a viable couple before Tylo quit and an opening for Bridge Version 47 presented itself. 

And certainly, Brooke/Nick deserved a chance at being a couple without TIIC stepping over Bridget to.make that happen. Honestly, for all the shit I've given Nick N. Sane for his possessive behavior in their brief marriage, he's still my first choice for Brooke. At least he respects women's bodies and wouldn't sleep with Jack's wife or nearly kill him.

But more importantly, he got Brooke in a way Ridge obviously never did and that even Bill doesn't fully see--because a lot of the reason Bill pulled to Brooke was because she enable his bad behavior like the drinking Katie asked him to give up. Nick--atbthe beginning of his run anyway--really did change for the better by knowing Brooke and especially for being a father figure to Hope. Which is why his character destruction still ranks up there with the ending of HIMYM as most stupid decision in TV history, but I digress.

Edited November 7, 2018 by Anna Yolei

[Waldo13]

What is this round 45 of Trading Places?  Donna just has to keep flashing her boobs to Eric and remind him of the good old times.  It's funny, Eric actually uses honey while waffling.  

Yes, Quinn is unstable but I can see her point about being treated like she didn't exist her by in-laws.  It happened to me but unlike Quinn, I could take solace in the fact that being there just pissed them off.  

Ridge keeps saying that Bill throwing the first punch is his defense.  Never mind that Ridge and Condor were trespassing once Bill asked them to leave and Bill was threatened by them. 

[drivethroo]

Steffy needs to go on that date with Leo.  He is way hotter than Wyatt or Liam. 

[Anna Yolei]

Since both JMW and SC have been there for the better part of a decade (!!!), you'd think they'd have a little bit more sway and say in their story lines. Especially Clifton who has won two of his three daytime Emmys on B&B and IIRC the only actor in B&B history to win more than once. Certainly, they have to be entirely bored of this.

[RuntheTable]

Headin for a showdown......

Yep, indeed we are, and it sucks. I just don't like this idea that someone having their own agency means they are "reverting", or they are crazy, or off their rockers, or whatever. Quinn had every right to express her opinion on what happens in her home. She wasn't chasing Pam around, or cornering her with weapons, or threatening her in any way. Quinn was the one who sounded sane, while Pam was stuck in her time warp, not understanding that Eric has moved on, and that Stephanie is dead. You could put that damn portrait up anywhere, and it would not bring her back. And right on the heels of that fiasco, we will now have Donna working Quinn's last nerve. I like Donna, and I liked her with Eric, and I don't see anything wrong with reminiscing about your life together, but there has to be a stopping point, a limit to how far that reminiscing can go. Unfortunately, Donna isn't blessed with any ability to read the room, and has no boundary radar at all, and doesn't get, or maybe doesn't care, about  how inappropriate it is to cavort around in your undies for you ex. On the runway is one thing; alone together in your sister's house is entirely another. But, once again, Quinn will get the shade and the side eye for having an opinion. It has already started with Wyatt, who very lovingly told mom not to mess it up. So, then, Quinn is just to roll over and let Eric play with Donna like she was a blow up doll? Fuck that; if Eric tried to plant one on Donna she would grab him up quicker than a Venus Flytrap. Just like her home; Quinn has the right to express her feelings about her marriage. Just watch though, everyone will be talking about Quinn's behavior, with subtle innuendo's about Captive Cabin, and Liam, and Deacon. And it is all gonna piss me off. 

The thing about relationships, especially long standing relationships, is that once the fundamentals become compromised, the next thing to go are the supports, then the foundation. Just like trust, fundamentals form the trusses and beams that support a relationship, and when you have been involved with someone for decades and you think you know them, but then you are given a pair of Super Ridge Ray glasses that remove the sweet, outer coating, exposing the nasty, rotten little pit that is actually your destiny; it kinda rocks your world a bit. Brooke is starting to see Ridge for what he truly is; Deuce Stephanie, and it is scaring the heck out of her. The way Ridge treats and talks about Bill is exactly the way Stephanie treated and talked about Brooke. After fighting for her destiny for three decades, she finally gets him, but is getting a much clearer picture of the man she married. Brooke isn't perfect by any means, but she isn't crass, and it has been few and far times in between that I have seen her rejoice in another person's pain. But there sits Ridge, and Thorne, still going on about Bill, after the man didn't press charges on them. Let's see; coming into Bill's home uninvited; both geared up for battle, both laying on the insults and threats, both threatening Bill about Will if Bill doesn't do this or Bill doesn't do that. OH! BUT WAIT! Bill threw the first punch, so his ass should be the one in the slammer! The Fuck! Bill threw a punch; Ridge threw Bill over a balcony:

 

 

Yeah, that looks about right. The Forrester Brothers have become one big ball of annoyance and can fuck the hell off anytime they want. 

Edited November 6, 2018 by RuntheTable

[Joimiaroxeu]

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But, once again, Quinn will get the shade and the side eye for having an opinion.

Quinn telling Donna she'll destroy her a tad more than having an opinion though. That's the kind of thing I don't think Quinn can afford to say out loud even if it is how she feels. Now she's given Donna the impression that she's a threat to Quinn and that's not a position Quinn should want to be in, IMO. I don't care about Donna and I think Eric is doddering old but rich fool, and generally I wouldn't be unhappy to see Quinn suffer some payback. This new stuff from Pam and Donna though just seems too out-of-left-field to me. Give Quinn a real foe, someone who can meet her on her level.

Edited November 6, 2018 by Joimiaroxeu

[RuntheTable]

19 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Quinn telling Donna she'll destroy her a tad more than having an opinion though. That's the kind of thing I don't think Quinn can afford to say out loud even if it is how she feels. Now she's given Donna the impression that she's a threat to Quinn and that's not a position Quinn should want to be in, IMO.

I agree 100%. And it makes me so damn mad because if anyone else said that to their spouses overly friendly ex it would be ok girl, we got your back, but with Quinn it will mean she is going kooky again. Now, in all honesty, I have no idea how I would react to this. Mr. R was not previously married, so I just don't know if I would say I would destroy her. I think it might depend on what I saw. I am more of the charge in and punch your heauxing ass lights out type. But it takes a lot to get me there; unless we are talking about animals, where I have no flint and it is just instant insanity. I can say Mr. R is a shameless flirt, and gets hit on quite often, and it doesn't bother me. I take it as a compliment actually. I don't know if I would even address what Quinn saw and heard, but this is Show, and we all know where we are headed, and how we are gonna get there. The whole Pam thing was just laying out the groundwork for the real fireworks. 

Well, maybe Ridge's lips will help Quinn quell that whole desire to destroy.........

[ByTor]

16 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I didn't realize the honey bear thing was a real life reference. Wonder if the company pays for product placement?

I've seen generic brands of honey in the little bear squeeze bottle, so I don't think it's specific to a certain company.

16 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Ridge doesn't deserve your loyalty. He's basically treating you like chattel.

He is.  And I think the CBS interns are once again lurking, Brooke finally called Ridge out on his "schoolyard bully" behavior.

43 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Quinn telling Donna she'll destroy her a tad more than having an opinion though. That's the kind of thing I don't think Quinn can afford to say out loud even if it is how she feels.

Exactly.  Quinn was entitled to be pissed about Donna's behavior, but they had to go and make her over the top about it.

[Anna Yolei]

51 minutes ago, RuntheTable said:

. I like Donna, and I liked her with Eric, and I don't see anything wrong with reminiscing about your life together, but there has to be a stopping point, a limit to how far that reminiscing can go. Unfortunately, Donna isn't blessed with any ability to read the room, and has no boundary radar at all, and doesn't get, or maybe doesn't care, about  how inappropriate it is to cavort around in your undies for you ex.

This, exactly. she wasn't even this forward back when they first started dating. :/ I'm sorry but no one is that stupid and this just seems so out of left field and drama for the sake of drama.

That said:

22 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Quinn telling Donna she'll destroy her a tad more than having an opinion though. That's the kind of thing I don't think Quinn can afford to say out loud even if it is how she feels. Now she's given Donna the impression that she's a threat to Quinn and that's not a position Quinn should want to be in, IMO.

That, too. It's not a good look considering she has, in fact, destroyed people (did we ever learn if she was involved with Montemayor or whoever suddenly passing away and gifting the Hope Diamond to Wyatt?). That still doesn't mean she ought to sit back and put up with blatant disrespect in her own home. not from Pam, not from Brooke and not even from Liam who has every reason in the world to never want to put up with her again when he came barreling into her house to rant and bitch two years ago.

[Cool Breeze]

3 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

Quinn has the right to express her feelings about her marriage. Just watch though, everyone will be talking about Quinn's behavior, with subtle innuendo's about Captive Cabin, and Liam, and Deacon. And it is all gonna piss me off. 

I don't mind Quinn being "convicted" in the court of public opinion for a crime she didn't commit since she has never faced true blame for those crimes she did commit, e.g., pushing Ivy off a bridge, holding a knife to Liam's throat, probably killing Senor Montemayor, pushing Deacon off a cliff and raping Liam.  

If Quinn gets busted for the minor bad act of threatening Donna and not the litany of other heinous bad acts she's committed, fine by me.  After all, despite having killed numerous people and running a billion dollar criminal enterprise, Al Capone was convicted of tax evasion.

[RuntheTable]

2 hours ago, Cool Breeze said:

I don't mind Quinn being "convicted" in the court of public opinion for a crime she didn't commit since she has never faced true blame for those crimes she did commit, e.g., pushing Ivy off a bridge, holding a knife to Liam's throat, probably killing Senor Montemayor, pushing Deacon off a cliff and raping Liam.  

If Quinn gets busted for the minor bad act of threatening Donna and not the litany of other heinous bad acts she's committed, fine by me.  After all, despite having killed numerous people and running a billion dollar criminal enterprise, Al Capone was convicted of tax evasion.

For me it isn't so much about Quinn paying for her past crimes so much as it is about having the right to own your own feelings, and express those feelings without being called crazy. This SL is so insulting to those that suffer with mental illness; it is sending the message, and is giving credence to the idea, that mental illness cannot be controlled, or that bad behavior cannot be changed. There is no doubt that Quinn has skated on past crimes, but I cannot tie that together with a perfectly sane Quinn being gaslighted by her husband because his opinions are different than hers. Eric started making comments about Quinn "reverting" the minute Quinn voiced her displeasure with Pam and Charlie getting married at the Forrester Estate. I am not saying he had to bow down to Quinn, but he certainly didn't have to hint that she might be losing it either. He could have also given just a bit more thought into her words. Eric hasn't been around to hear how Pam talks to Quinn, and he won't listen to Quinn tell him either. No, instead, and just like with Sheila, he doesn't believe his wife, and turns to her aggressor. As a wife of 32 years I see that as some fucked up shit. 

Ah Katie, girl just shut Thorne's shit right down. You didn't clear it with me and Katie? Shut up dumbass. 

When all the secrets come out the only one that will be talked about is Brooke running into Bill at Katie's house and not telling Ridge. Because, you know, unsuspected meetings always trump collusion and attempted murder. 

Edited November 6, 2018 by RuntheTable

[SiouxB]

In today's episode....something that absolutely made no sense to me....

Donna & Quinn were still going at it in the kitchen...Eric had left to make a phone call..Brooke was still with Bill...

Katie says to Thorne & Ridge..."I think I'm going to check on Donna since Eric bailed on her."

What ????????

He didn't bail on just her, but the entire group ....and he only went to make a phone call, which I would not consider "bailing."

Dramatic much, Katie ???

[A-Lo]

I'm kind of enjoying Donna's presence on the show...even if she was brought in to create drama between Eric/Quinn... and wow, does JG look fantastic!  I remember her from back in the days where she played Grace on Y&R and was set on seducing Nick away from Sharon.  When all three were newbies.  FF to all these years later and she still looks fit and beautiful.

[Petunia13]

On 11/5/2018 at 7:01 AM, RuntheTable said:

So sweet!

 

And just lookey who is there! Ashleigh Brewer. Yes please. 

In the pics the drag queen looked like Willam from Willam's Beatdown and Ru Paul's Drag Race. But it's not ?

Donna, if he does it with you he'll do it to you. 

[Gam2]

Why is Donna back here? I didn’t like her character before and I really don’t like her now. 

[Waldo13]

Hey Donna, an overheard conversation in one's home is not ease dropping.  In the  office, via the partially open door, is ease dropping.  Donna left out the part that Quinn's confrontation came from her flirting with Eric. 

Like Ridge, Condor just can't help himself from being a prick.  Ridge you stupid ass hole. You just said, to Brooke, you don't want to argue but in a nanosecond you start another argument. Ridge thinks that Brooke HAS to agree with him for there not to be an argument. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

Brooke, you had one job! When Bill finds out you knew about the judge he's not going to be thrilled.

I think Bill is the hotness but his shiny, smooth chest creeps me out. At his age I think he could stand to show a little hair instead trying to look like a 20 or 30-year old.

Donna, stop trying to play the victim. Low-key going after another woman's husband--even if he's your ex--is a provocative move. Quinn is not the one.

FFS, Ridge, it's not up to you to decide what's best for Katie's son. You used an innocent child for revenge and you are a piece of ?. No, scratch that. You are a steaming pile of it.

[drivethroo]

9 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

Eric hasn't been around to hear how Pam talks to Quinn, and he won't listen to Quinn tell him either.

Eric should've been questioning why Pam took Quinn's picture off the wall.  The fact that she had a stepladder and was holding Quinn's portrait should've signaled to Eric that perhaps Quinn was telling the truth about Pam.  But instead, he defended Pam and gaslit Quinn.

Bill will realize the reason Katie got lenient all of a sudden is because Brooke knew about Ridge and told Katie the truth. But I don't see Bill being that mad with Brooke because she was on his side all along, is the reason Katie is giving him more access to Will and kept quiet to protect her husband.  Bill's ire will be directed towards Ridge, not Brooke.

[ByTor]

14 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Donna left out the part that Quinn's confrontation came from her flirting with Eric. 

Donna: "I was in the kitchen talking to Eric"  Ummmm, no.  Talking to Eric would have been "How's your great-granddaughter doing?"  or "How's the new collection coming?"  NOT "Remember when I used to squirt honey all over your naked body?"  100% team Quinn on this issue.

8 hours ago, drivethroo said:

I don't see Bill being that mad with Brooke because she was on his side all along, is the reason Katie is giving him more access to Will and kept quiet to protect her husband.  Bill's ire will be directed towards Ridge, not Brooke.

Plus, Bill already knows that Brooke knows.  He also knows what a bully Ridge is, so I think he understands why Brooke isn't fessing up.  I agree, his ire will be mainly at Ridge, and somewhat at Thorne.

[CharlizeCat]

I couldn't resist this one.  I was looking on ebay for Christmas needlepoint kits and found this gem.

Product Description:  Napier #870 Dollar Bill Christmas Stocking HP Needlepoint Canvas 21" Money Coins

[Anna Yolei]

On ‎11‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 10:34 AM, Cool Breeze said:

I don't mind Quinn being "convicted" in the court of public opinion for a crime she didn't commit since she has never faced true blame for those crimes she did commit, e.g., pushing Ivy off a bridge, holding a knife to Liam's throat, probably killing Senor Montemayor, pushing Deacon off a cliff and raping Liam.  

If Quinn gets busted for the minor bad act of threatening Donna and not the litany of other heinous bad acts she's committed, fine by me.  After all, despite having killed numerous people and running a billion dollar criminal enterprise, Al Capone was convicted of tax evasion.

See, i'm the exact opposite myself. There's no satifaction to that. Just like with Ridge's long history of treating women terribly and Eric decides to use the fact that he  and Caroline chose not to disclose Douglas's paternity--a child conceived under dubious circumstances at best and one of exact one instances in 3 decades where Ridge could even remotely consider himself an injured party*-- as a reason to pull the morality clause, and not....oh IDK, when Ridge went after his brother's wife in the first place. As if stock prices would be affected by yet another Forrester marriage scandal when Brooke marrying into the family 100 times and Stephanie lying about Ridge's paternity for 40 years and and the general incompetence of every CEO who came after Brooke didn't kill confidence with investors.

And as other have stated before, it's not just Quinn Eric's done this with, but with all his wives. I mean, Pam sent cobras to Donna and tied her up to feed to an actual fucking bear, is it really that out of the realm of possibility that she'd barge into someone else's house to remove a photo?

Like I said earlier, it strikes a sore spot with me cuz I had a... relationship for lack of a better term, where the guy knew I would sometimes overreact and get mad. Guy didn't seem to mind it when I went off on people who gave him grief, but somehow freaking out over a missing essay that I knew was in my bookbag was the deal ender he brought up in later fights. OK ? and granted we were teens and I can't expect a teenage boy to know his own feelings, much less mine but suffice it to say I still have trust issues from that. 

If you don't want crazy, don't marry crazy. I'm being flip here because for once, Quinn's suspicions are entirely justified, but speaking as someone who has anxiety and does still have bad days and has accepted that this will never go away...I know I'd much rather be alone the rest of my life than to be with someone who would dismiss me for this one aspect that I can't always control. It does not excuse the other party's shitty behavior and I still have the mental capacity to see bullshit for what it is. My mom even pulls this shit with me when I point out how being her free therapist to her love life fucked me up and I couldn't even get one single hug the day my heart was broken at 16. (That's the other reason I have trust issues, but I digress).

Nor is it right to hold someone's past against them when they've made strives to move away from that-- tell me the last conservation she's had with Liam or the last time she's run interference in Wyatt's life or the revenge she got on Katie for her buttinski antics and obvious thirst for Eric that stopped short of modeling lingerie for him. I'll wait. Eric knew what Quinn was about and she never hid that unlike the last sociopath he married. And Sheila too.

*And even that is debatable because he could've been honest with Caroline about his situation instead of breaking up with her for no reason. That's no excuse for how Thomas behaved, but loathesome as Ridge is and his justifications for keeping that info from Thomas, it doesn't justify Eric punishing Ridge for not sharing that info with everyone else. Brooke still kept her seat at FC for a whole year after Hope was born and fucked over their own daughter in the process so I've never been cheering Ridge to lose the one time he did the least amount of wrong.

Edited November 11, 2018 by Anna Yolei

[CharlizeCat]

At least Ridge took a shower yesterday.

[Swiss]

Quote

 

Really? I could smell him through my TV screen!

44 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

At least Ridge took a shower yesterday.

 

6 minutes ago, Swiss said:

 Well, my attempt at quoting CharlizeCat was a complete disaster.  My apologies.

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by Swiss

[ByTor]

14 minutes ago, Swiss said:

Really? I could smell him through my TV screen!

Well, Ridge said he was taking a shower, and I do think I heard water running, but I suppose that's not actual proof that he took one :)

[Gam2]

This show was preempted today in our neck of the woods. Did anyone get a chance to see it and could you give us a quick recap? Thanks!

[slayer2]

On 11/2/2018 at 9:21 PM, thewhiteowl said:

Hey! Quinn has a storyline! It's stupid but I'll take what I can get that doesn't involve interns. Pam is a nutjob but she's a vet so that doesn't suck. Nice to see Eric even when he's a douche.

Same.

[slayer2]

9 hours ago, ByTor said:

Donna: "I was in the kitchen talking to Eric"  Ummmm, no.  Talking to Eric would have been "How's your great-granddaughter doing?"  or "How's the new collection coming?"  NOT "Remember when I used to squirt honey all over your naked body?"  100% team Quinn on this issue.

 

If this were a better show, I'd note the parallels between Quinn inciting Pam's crazy by quasi making fun of her mental health issues and everyone inciting Quinn's crazy by acting like she has nothing to feel crazy about. It's kind of a weird turnaround that everyone is treating Quinn like she should be perfectly fine with everything when she shouldn't and that is what is making her unravel which is how they are treating her anyway and same for what Quinn insinuated with Pam and Charlie that Pam was off her rocker and not fit to marry. Although I do stand firmly with Quinn that Pam needs to pack up the wedding demands and get the Sam Hell out of Quinn and Eric's house. But this is on Eric, Quinn would be less likely to gun for Pam if she had the support she needed from Eric and Pam wouldn't feel so entitled if Eric made it clear that he puts Quinn's (his wife's) feelings first before his former sister-in-law's. Donna has always been ridiculous, I do love Jennifer Gareis though, leftover love from being at a table of one for a decade shipping Grace and Nick.

[ByTor]

15 hours ago, Gam2 said:

This show was preempted today in our neck of the woods. Did anyone get a chance to see it and could you give us a quick recap? Thanks!

Quick recap?  Same shit different day :)  

The beginning of the show was backstage as the intimates fashion show was about to happen.  Zoe was acting a little too friendly with Xander as she was trying to ease his nerves for his pending modeling debut (giggling and touching his arm) for Emma's taste and she watched them with her constipated/pissy look.  Hope was feeling nostalgic & was a little sad that this wasn't a HFTF show...we even got a flashback to the last HFTF show, during which we got to relive the horror of Emma's "dance" routine on the runway.  Hope expressed her disappointment to Steffy, but wished her luck and told her to "break a leg", which she may have kinda sorta meant it literally :)  Actually no, they were ok with each other.  Emma & Hope weren't the only unhappy campers, Brooke was pissy at Ridge for choosing the intimates line over HFTF, and she also wanted to discuss Bill with Ridge, much to Ridge's pleasure.  We also see Bill & Justin talking, having the same conversation about Ridge bribing the judge.  Bill is positive that Brooke knows, but he's not upset with her for standing by Ridge, he said Brooke is loyal & would expect her to do so.  However, he said it's just a matter of time before her conscience gets to her & she'll admit everything to Bill, since she was on Bill's side about the custody issue from the start.  Meanwhile, Brooke and Ridge are having the same argument about the judge (Ridge: He would have ruled that way anyway.  Brooke: Then why would you feel the need to interfere?).  Ridge tells Brooke that Bill is now seeing Will whenever he wants, so could they just move past it?  Brooke says she's not sure it's possible, she doesn't think it's up to them.  She then tells Ridge that Bill's onto him, that he has a feeling Ridge had something to do with the ruling & that he & the judge are somehow connected.  The end.

14 hours ago, slayer2 said:

I do love Jennifer Gareis though, leftover love from being at a table of one for a decade shipping Grace and Nick.

Ohhh @slayer2, you are of quite the unpopular opinion! :)

[Petunia13]

I don't care about Zoe, Emma, and Xander ?? 

[ByTor]

1 hour ago, Petunia13 said:

I don't care about Zoe, Emma, and Xander

But...but....TPTB think we do :)

[Joimiaroxeu]

OMG, did we really need a flashback of Emma and her dancers looking like they were having mass seizures on stage? AFAIC, it wasn't that great the first time we saw it.

Why are they now emphasizing that Steffy was pregnant when she committed adultery with Bill? Does that make it worse? Neither Bill nor Steffy knew she was knocked up so I don't see how that's a factor. Maybe this is the shows way of trying to shut down the continuing spumors that Kelly is Bill's kid? Gee thanks, Show.

(BTW, when TK was on AMC, his character married a woman who was openly pregnant with another man's baby. He gave an interview where he said he personally thought it was disgusting for his character to be having sex with a woman while she was carrying another man's child. It was something that struck many fans as oddly old-fashioned if not kind of macho. Wonder if TK had some say Ridge's latest takes on Bill sleeping with Steffy?)

Kinda tired of hearing Hope whine about HFTF, too. Unless FC owns the trademark, she and Brooke have the means to produce the line anyway. Heck, take it to Bill and let him be a secret investor. He'd love to stick it to Ridge right underneath his nose.

Edited November 8, 2018 by Joimiaroxeu

[ByTor]

6 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Why are they now emphasizing that Steffy was pregnant when she committed adultery with Bill? Does that make it worse? Neither Bill nor Steffy knew she was knocked up so I don't see how that's a factor. Maybe this is the shows way of trying to shut down the continuing spumors that Kelly is Bill's kid?

Maybe, because I thought we were supposed to believe that Steffy got pregnant after renewing her vows with Liam, which of course happened after she was with Bill.

6 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Kinda tired of hearing Hope whine about HFTF, too. Unless FC owns the trademark, she and Brooke have the means to produce the line anyway.

I don't understand what the deal is with HFTF at all.  I thought Forrester was allocating more funds to intimates & it was specifically said that HFTF was not being shut down, but now they are acting like it was.  But if it was, then why is Hope still working there?

[CountryGirl]

I haven't been watching for several days. It's honestly refreshing...I'm sure I'll get sucked back in, eventually, but I'll continue to read and post here. 

[domi]

Is it my imagination or the  show of lingerie when Steffy congratulated Quinn on her jewelry, Ridge said something and looked Quinnfor a long time?

Edited November 8, 2018 by domi

[Gam2]

Ridge is creeping me out by the way he looks at and talks to his daughter. There’s something very off about the way he smiles at her and stares at her.  She parades around in barely any underwear (although she looked fantastic today) and he leers at her. Yuck. Just yuck.

[Swiss]

Yuck is right.  Ridge is in love with his own daughter. 

Edited November 8, 2018 by Swiss

[Waldo13]

Of course Ridge had to get to the show. He had to eye fuck his daughter.  No no no, Sally was the showstopper, Stuffy just went last.  I don't understand why one of the male models was wearing leather gloves. Mink gloves always worked for me.  

[Petunia13]

The way the writing and performances are going I'm beginning to suspect they will undo Ridge's paternity of Steffy. 

He should not lavishing praise, lighting up googly eyed, and hugging and petting his daughter or staring at her in lingerie. 

Also Brooke is the female lead of show, highly educated, very experienced in romance and life. Whyyy is Ridge talking to her and treating her like a subservient child?  I find myself wanting to yell at him she's a chemist and has a dozen relationships in her past when Ridge does his patronizing "listen here you beautiful stupid girl" routine. 

Sally should have been the show stopper and worn the skimpiest outfit. Not being a superficial jerk she puts a lot of work into her fitness and it shows. 

I could tell JW was pregnant mostly when she turned in or had sideviews. She looks like she's having a girl by how high the bump is.  Zoe is not pretty in her face, I find it hard to believe she's a model. 

Meanwhile, as the most low rent version of a Savage by Rihanna runway show occurred and the raspiest man in Bel Air leched at his Fembot daughter, his beautiful wife had an adult and normal conversation in a chic setting with an attentive man. Bill was right the best thing is to come clean. 

[KLovestoShop]

3 hours ago, Gam2 said:

Ridge is creeping me out by the way he looks at and talks to his daughter. There’s something very off about the way he smiles at her and stares at her.  She parades around in barely any underwear (although she looked fantastic today) and he leers at her. Yuck. Just yuck.

This, a million times over.  As a daughter, there’s no way on earth I’d parade in front of my father in my undies, much less hug him.  It’s just beyond creepy. Bell must love the thought of gross father/daughter interactions. 

[Gam2]

My dad would have died if I’d walked into his den in a slutty outfit like the ones shown today. And then I’d have died of shame.

[slayer2]

13 hours ago, ByTor said:

Ohhh @slayer2, you are of quite the unpopular opinion! :)

Trust me girl, if there's a doomed, hopeless ship I will find it. 

11 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

I don't care about Zoe, Emma, and Xander ?? 

I was so excited to see more Black People, it didn't last.  Why can't they find Black people that can act? #fml

Edited November 9, 2018 by slayer2