B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[CountryGirl]

5 minutes ago, backhometome said:

Carter yelling at your employers and threatening them is not going to give you what you want. 😒

RB is cute in glasses. 

Didn't Katie fire Steffy after the whole Bill thing? 

At least Ridge knows to read the papers. 

It works for Steffy.

[norcalgal]

3 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

And it's infuriating to watch Steffy lecture Katie, of all people, about the evils of a woman trying to seduce her husband. I'm just dying for someone to finally snap at her and say "bitch, do you even know your own life??  Have you gone after so many women's men that you can't even remember when you're talking to one of those women?"  Steffy getting to repeatedly be a sanctimonious asshole to women she's done so much worse to over the years is not entertaining.

Sooooo much WORD to this!  But my question (that I've rhethorically asked a bazillion times) is why the other characters - esp. the ones directly involved - are never, ever allowed to point out Steffy's sins (like what was posted above)?!  

Answering my own question: I posited in a previous post that maybe the Steffy stans are so vocal, that they would stage a boycott of the show / do a full spectrum mass media blast to cancel the show if Steffy is ever read for filth for all her misdeeds.  Whereas the Hope/Brooke/Ivy/Phoebe fans just take the show as it comes and won't riot if their favorite character is ill treated by the writers.

[KerleyQ]

32 minutes ago, norcalgal said:

Sooooo much WORD to this!  But my question (that I've rhethorically asked a bazillion times) is why the other characters - esp. the ones directly involved - are never, ever allowed to point out Steffy's sins (like what was posted above)?!  

It's so maddening. It's bad enough listening to someone with her history acting like one kiss is the worst thing any woman has ever done. But when you add in that the people she bitches about it the most to are people she's done way, way worse to?  It's ridiculous writing. Even her bitching at Brooke about it is maddening when you remember all the manipulation she's engaged in to get her mommy and daddy back together when he was married to Brooke. 

Yesterday, Ridge should have really reacted more when Steffy fully admitted it was personal, after all of her "it's not personal, it's business!" protestations of the past two weeks. 

[Waldo13]

Please tell me what kind of doctor works from home?  Please tell me how can a doctor really check on his patients without seeing them?  It’s a doctor that is a doctor by proxy.  

What kind of a so called executive acts out of a personal animus without considering the overall impact on their company.  I guess Ridge loves smelling Stuffy’s farts also. He knows what Stuffy is not kosher but he won’t go against his little princess.

Finn Finn Finn stop smelling Stuffy farts and realize Stuffy as a friend, to Liam, played hide the salami with him.  Maybe kissing was not involved. 

Taylor Taylor Taylor don’t you know about the old saying of people who live in glass houses?  Another person whose shit does not stink. 

Such 🐂💩, Ridge and Stuffy clearly signed the papers before Ridge notice that Carter’s name was on the papers.  So what’s next?  What are Ridge and Stuffy are going to do about it. 

I have an idea. Let the monkeys with a keyboard grow a backbone and let Hope sue Stuffy and FC for wrongful termination. It would be a hoot to see the look on Stuffy’s face when the stick is pulled out of her ass. 

[NinjaPenguins]

Is there anything better than listening to vile hypocrite Taylor smarmily snickering about horrible Hope to hand puppet Finn? Why, yes! Listening to Steffy spew her misogynist venom while her spineless father stood there was the true treat of the day. Talk about a family filled to the brim with toxic, damaged idiots. 
 

[Artsda]

Steffy needs to be slapped. Running around calling Hope a bitch and Ridge who claims Brooke he love so much has no problem Steffy trashing them. Carter has more respect for Brooke than Ridge. 

[Cool Breeze]

Not sure if these are acting choices from LSV but that is the absolute wrong way to speak to your boss(es).  “Don’t talk to me like I’m an employee!”  ?!  Bruv, you are an employee!  And as an employee, your bosses are under zero obligation to flesh out your ideas that will irrevocably change the character of their 60-year-old company and burden said company with billions of dollars of debt.  You do not have skin in this game.  It’s their money, not yours.  That’s the advantage of being an employee.  You can bounce whenever you like.  Debt-free!
 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Sure looks like the actress playing Hope is pregnant.  She looks more filled out and today the way she was resting her folded arms across her stomach plus that jumpsuit she has on seems to be deliberate to hide it.  

Do all the women now have to sport the latest hairdo of being flat to the head then curled half way down?  Taylor., Hope and Brooke today.  

[KerleyQ]

4 hours ago, Foghorn Leghorn said:

Do all the women now have to sport the latest hairdo of being flat to the head then curled half way down?  Taylor., Hope and Brooke today.  

I read an article a while ago about how that hairstyle is preferred by TV shows for a few reasons. I can't remember all of them, but I do remember that one was that it's easier for continuity, because the style is kind of loose, free-flowing, and forgiving, so it's harder to notice little differences in it. So when they tape out of order, the hairstyles don't make it noticeable. 

Then, on the other hand, you have Steffy's wigs, which noticeably change frequently. 

[Waldo13]

Revisionist history?  I went back to the video to check and Ridge did sign the documents then handed them to Stuffy. Stuffy signed and then handed them back to Ridge.  

Taylor is just the turd in the punch bowl nothing more nothing less even though she distracted Ridge enabling him to sign the document. 

I wish Carter could hear the way they talk about him especially Stuffy. He’s falling out of favor and now they are questioning his judgement. Ridge says he like a brother to him but if Stuffy wanted to cut him, it would be Carter who. 

Now what’s up with Brooke?  She overhears the plot to take over FC but who will she side with?  Will she back the love of her life, Ridge, and go against Hope to try to talk them out of the take over?  

 

[KerleyQ]

Yesterday, Steffy was proudly declaring to Ridge and Carter how firing Hope was absolutely personal, and that she'd happily lose sales if it meant she never had to see her in the office again.  Today, as soon as mommy enters the scene, she's right back to little miss innocent whose only concern is the company's well-being, and darn it, gosh, golly, she doesn't know why Carter thinks this is about a personal vendetta. Then, later, she's fawning all over mommy again, gushing about how happy she is she's there. This is someone who has been conditioned to not rely on her parent's love, support, and presence in her life, so she has to be on her very best behavior around her and has to constantly praise her and talk about how much she needs her. 

If Brooke does bust Carter before he can get those papers filed, I hope that it all still results in Steffy losing her position. She's been running the company on her personal feelings, and then today, Ridge was, rightly, questioning the paperwork, but then Taylor wandered in, and Steffy was urging Ridge to just hurry up and sign it, saying it's Carter, they can trust him. This, despite her being very clear lately that she questions Carter and doesn't fully trust him.  She just may have handed the company over to Carter, just because she was so eager to get special time with mommy and daddy that she told Ridge to ignore his concern. 

And, ugh to Brooke whitewashing Steffy's multiple intrusions into Hope's relationship with Liam over the years as "Liam felt torn in two directions because he shares children with both of you."  Yes, absolutely, Liam is the one who owed Hope loyalty and fidelity, but Steffy pulled so much shit, all of which makes Hope's one drunken kiss of Finn Steffy's Husband, look like child's play. 

[Soapy Goddess]

8 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Will she back the love of her life, Ridge, and go against Hope to try to talk them out of the take over?  

Since Taylor is waiting in the wings, I'm guessing she backs Hope.

[NinjaPenguins]

Instead of this convoluted LLC stuff, Carter and Hope should have gone scorched earth with a hostile work environment/wrongful termination lawsuit, won a fat stack of cabbage and then started their own company. Carter’s most valid concern, Steffy’s tinpot dictatorship fueled by her Logan hatred, should be what deals a blow to Forrester. Steffy and her enabling, idiot parents need to be left holding the bag when Eric asks WTF happened. It sounds like there are already squabbling factions at FC, but Steffy blithely assumes that everything is going to be dandy fine now that Hope is out. And, honestly, what a thin skinned baby Steffy is, unable to handle the terrible trauma of… checks notes… looking at Hope during the workday. I wonder if Steffy goes home and tells Kelly that her sister’s mother is a bitch?

Speaking of gross mother-daughter relationships, Taylor needs to stop dropping by Forrester. She doesn’t work there and can see Steffy at home. 

[CharlizeCat]

Casually "dropping by" FC, is just a veiled excuse for Taylor to see Ridge. 😉

I completely agree with @NinjaPenguins. Wouldn't it be a lot less messy and, ultimately cheaper, for Hope to just sue FC for wrongful discharge and a hostile work environment than to try to pull this stupid LLC coup? 

[Cool Breeze]

A wrongful termination action against FC and Steffy/Ridge would get real messy.  Largely because absolutely no one behaves professionally in that office, including Hope and Carter.  Heck, Hope once tried to slap Steffy.  (I'm sure we'd see footage from heretofore unseen cameras documenting that attempted assault.)  And lingerie'd atop the CEO's husband?  Hope might still prevail but she would take many public hits to get there.

And how exactly is Carter going to just assert his managerial position of the LLC?  "Haha, mfers, I'm in charge!  Beat it!" 

"Make us." 

The end. 

In the real world, Carter could only enforce his rights legally, i.e., in court.  And in court, he'd have to prove he was authorized to name himself manager.  And there was no such authorization.  Moreover, he'd likely be sued for fraud, civilly, and charged with the same crime criminally.  He'd be toast.

But BelLA law prevails so Ridge and Steffy will probably just slink out of the office, promising retribution at a later date.

[Skarzero]

5 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Instead of this convoluted LLC stuff, Carter and Hope should have gone scorched earth with a hostile work environment/wrongful termination lawsuit, won a fat stack of cabbage and then started their own company.

Yes, but then that would've involved dragging up Steffy berating of Hope and Brooke over the last two and a half years and possibly even her prior shenanigans prior to the 2020s and bringing up her frequent personal/emotional decision making concerning Thomas. Speaking of which, there's Thomas' treatment of Brooke & Hope, some of which was criminal as well. All of which I'm sure is on camera too...

So between that and having Carter and Hope look like dumb criminals with this LLC thing, I humbly ask, which scenario do you think would be more appealing to the average Steffy/Thomas/Tridge fan? 

2 hours ago, Cool Breeze said:

Heck, Hope once tried to slap Steffy.  (I'm sure we'd see footage from heretofore unseen cameras documenting that attempted assault.

If Hope didn't have grounds for wrongful termination, fine. But she sure as shit had one for hostile work environment. Hell, I said that back in 2022-23 when at the height of Steffy's "Brooke-Logan ain't shit & my mother is better for Ridge" tirades(most of them at their workplace and to their faces). And again, when Steffy was complaining that Hope wasn't cooperating enough with Thomas and/or threatened to cut her line for not wanting to work with him initially. Steffy would have a helluva time explaining to a judge(well maybe not a BellLA judge) why she threatened Hope into working with someone who she knew tried to trade sex with her for custody of his son, and had tried to kidnap her after she discovered her child was alive(no thanks to him). Steffy and Ridge would have far more to answer for in court than not. They would not come out of any kind of lawsuit looking morally/ethically correct, professional, and/or fair....Not even compared to the likes of Hope & Carter as they are now. 

Edited Friday at 07:57 PM by Skarzero

[backhometome]

Logan women being called under dogs is laughable. 

Carter doing this for Hope is pathetic. He has loved her for like 5 business days.

Surprised Brooke told Ridge. Thought she would side with Hope. Thankfully it wasn't a drawn out secret. 

Doesn't Carter have to file the papers before he is declared in charge of the company. Brooke said he was in charge. IDK.

[Anna Yolei]

19 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Ridge says he like a brother to him

Like the brother whose wife he raped?

(This has multiple correct answers btw)

15 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

And, ugh to Brooke whitewashing Steffy's multiple intrusions into Hope's relationship with Liam over the years as "Liam felt torn in two directions because he shares children with both of you." 

Oh, what complete malarkey!

Dude was a waffle from jump, well before any kids were involved. He certainly didn't think much about Beth being around Thomas when he decided to use Kelly this entire last year to (thank God, unsuccessfully) come between Steffy and Finn.

But Brooke is married to the Waffle King, so... :|

Edited Friday at 07:30 PM by Anna Yolei

[Waldo13]

What is wrong with this picture?  Brooke will betray Hope for the sake of Ridge but Ridge would never betray Stuffy for the sake of Brooke. 

Carter, you say that Ridge is your best friend but he will betray your friendship for Stuffy.  

Any ounce of respect I have for Brooke is all gone.  I guess Brooke is most loyal to her  “Golden Cooter” and requires Ridge’s  “Golden Key” more than anything, even her self respect.  

It didn’t seem that Electra was upset to see Remy unless she was faking it. So what is she really upset about in her past?  

[Cool Breeze]

Electra likely doesn’t know her friend Remy is her stalker.  

[Js Nana]

It would have been a much better idea for Carter to have written in Brooke's name on the new incorporation papers than his own.

[Js Nana]

It has entered my mind that Taylor and Finn might end up in the sack together - if Brooke could end up in bed with her daughter's husband, why not Taylor, the only difference being that it would be highly unlikely that the 49-year-old Taylor would end up pregnant with her son-in-law's baby, although you never know what's possible in the soap universe.

[Artsda]

Brooke is a fool. She runs to ridge to rat out Carter and her daughter, but Ridge doesn't trust them, now believe in them Ridge helped Steffy kick Hope out, stood there as Queen bee called her a slut, bitch and who knows what else. 

[KerleyQ]

Lord, the writing is so damn lopsided. Hope and Carter aren't even going to get a temporary "win."  Princess SuperBitch must always prevail at all times, even if Hope's mother has to deliver that win to her on a silver platter. 

I'm confused about the Electra/Remy stuff now. I can only assume that @Cool Breeze is right, and Electra is not aware that he's her stalker. I mean, he has to be a stalker, right?  Non-stalkers don't have shrines to people like that. 

Can we just get to the point where Ridge waffles over to the limp beige dishrag, already?  It's so obvious it's going to happen, and the build up is tedious, especially with her and her bitchass daughter feigning innocence as to their goals. And does the WRP not have her practice to tend to? She can just spend every day hanging out in the FC offices pretending she's not trying to glom onto her ex?  Related: Can you even imagine being one of her patients and then finding out exactly what kind of a pathetic disaster she is? 

49 minutes ago, Js Nana said:

It has entered my mind that Taylor and Finn might end up in the sack together - if Brooke could end up in bed with her daughter's husband, why not Taylor, the only difference being that it would be highly unlikely that the 49-year-old Taylor would end up pregnant with her son-in-law's baby, although you never know what's possible in the soap universe.

I thought for sure we were going in that direction back when KA was playing Taylor, and Finn and Steffy were having Sheila-related difficulties. At this point, though, I don't think he's ever straying from his owner. She could fuck Liam and Bill at the same time, on the coffee table right in front of him, and he'd still be devoted. Hell, he'd probably lament how Hope and the rest of the Logans made her do it. And then the next day he'd show up at the FC offices to tell her how amazing she is. 

[NinjaPenguins]

If Brooke felt any loyalty toward her daughters, one of them wouldn’t exist. I generally like Brooke, but then she follows her heart a bit too far.

Bell really understands drama, especially how to suck all traces of it out of the show. Thank goodness he pulled back before we were exposed to something fresh and different. Don’t promise me a delicious pizza and serve me a cow flop sliced six ways, please.

 

[smartyshorts]

It would've made so much more sense for Brooke to confront Hope and Carter as soon as she heard them plotting. She could have told those two knuckleheads to knock it off and read them the riot act. And when Hope inevitably begged her mother to keep her secret...AGAIN...Brooke could just remind her that she has been keeping secrets for Hope for months but this is too much. But nope she ran straight to that Greasy Hobo (who was so excited that his backup chew toy was at his office that he couldn't be bothered to ask questions about the sketchy nature of some important tax documents!) And spilled ALL of Hope's tea. 

Andplusalso... the plan is dumb. 

They're making Hope sound like she really is manipulating Carter. "I know this is so hard for you...but YOU HAVE TO DO IT. for You, of course" I'm gonna need Hope to get some real therapy to figure out why she and everyone around her keeps saying she is out of character, irrational, not herself. It's been remarked on so many times by so many people that it's upsetting that it isn't being addressed.

Carter, Carter, Carter..my COO in Christ...the people have said they don't want to do your plan. You went to Eric, who DID sit and hear you out but still said No. Perhaps it's time to put a pin in it, circle back in like 6 months or a year. Even I am finding this Push for a global brand of Wines and Cheeses and Fine Leather Goods to be overhyped and annoying. Why is the clock ticking so loudly for him? 

It makes me giggle to think this multi millionare $Bill Spencer gets mail delivered to a regular mailbox at his HOME.

 

[ASpring1900]

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but the "sexy" saxophone music during the Carter/Hope love scenes is so, so cringe. Dated, hokey music for this young-ish couple. 🙄

[Anna Yolei]

On 11/22/2024 at 8:11 PM, Js Nana said:

It has entered my mind that Taylor and Finn might end up in the sack together - if Brooke could end up in bed with her daughter's husband, why not Taylor, the only difference being that it would be highly unlikely that the 49-year-old Taylor would end up pregnant with her son-in-law's baby, although you never know what's possible in the soap universe.

They already did Taylor banging her daughter's boyfriend with Rick, but hey, B&B loves recycling stories so I suppose we're overdue! 🙃

Karma due to Steffy aside, I just don't like or care about this drowned meerkat parading as Taylor and I just want her gone at this point.

 

[RuntheTable]

When Brooke took over FC’s, it was so exciting and satisfying. There had been years of build up with Brooke and Stephanie’s relationship that laid the groundwork. Then there were the months leading up to it, with all the scheming and planning by Stephanie, Eric, and Steve. No matter whose side you were on, you couldn’t look away.

Compared to this LLC stuff? I’m just not feeling it. Yeah, Steffy and Hope have been at odds most of their lives, but their rivalry doesn’t have the same gravitas that Brooke and Stephanie had. It seems more like bitchy catfighting, i.e. The Real Nepo Babies of Bell L.A. Stephanie and Brooke had a deep seated animosity that was layered and complex, and wasn’t all about dislike and hatred.

Additionally, Show has given me a wicked case of motion sickness with this breakneck speed writing. Carter and Hope pledging their mutual love in a week? Carter pitching his ideas, and deciding in a day to stage a takeover when the CEO’s weren’t on board? Which I might be ok with, but now it seems it has morphed from what Carter wanted to do with FC’s, into what Carter wants to do for Hope.

I really just hate all of it actually. The SL has no tread, and it has absolutely no meat. If handled with finesse and care they could have woven an exciting SL that I would want to invest in. There is not enough for me to want to see Carter succeed. Ridge being a shit? How is that unusual. Steffy firing Hope? That was off base for sure, but Hope should have put on her big girl panties and told Steffy that she was involved with Carter. Steffy calling Hope a bitch? Please. Good stories can’t be built without a solid foundation, and this is a bunch of twigs being held together with some Elmer’s.

I find myself really fucking pissed off at Finn and Brooke. Finn arrogantly brushing off any attempt to explain what happened or defend Hope, so cocksure that Hope is working a massive boner for him. Finn hasn’t seen Hope in weeks, how does he know she isn’t seeing someone? There is also the burning question of how Hope could have known he would be coming into the design office that day. Deep down Finn knows there is more to it, but he isn’t going to go there. Going there would deduct valuable points from the obedience fund he has been diligently working on, because there would no longer be anything for him to be offended about.

Brooke? Oh man, I am so massively disappointed in my girl. As @smartyshorts said, why not confront Hope and Carter? You instead run straight to Ridge? Do you think that is going to help Hope’s cause? Just because you can now tell Ridge about Hope and Carter doesn’t mean he is going to be ok with anything. I suspect he will be angry that you didn’t tell him about them from jump, and now he finds out about an attempt to takeover the company? At the same time, this might be the best thing Brooke could have done. I saw in the previews that Ridge makes a comment to Brooke about “your daughter conspired to”, so maybe this will be what splits them up. Brooke will think Ridge will give her a pass because she tattled on Hope, but I think he will attack her and hold her accountable. For me, no more Bridge would be the best thing to come out of this mess, because I know any takeover is not going to last.

[norcalgal]

2 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

When Brooke took over FC’s, it was so exciting and satisfying. There had been years of build up with Brooke and Stephanie’s relationship that laid the groundwork. Then there were the months leading up to it, with all the scheming and planning by Stephanie, Eric, and Steve. No matter whose side you were on, you couldn’t look away.

Compared to this LLC stuff? I’m just not feeling it

So it begs the question:  what changed over the years/decades?  Yes, the writers have changed, but isn’t Bell THE head honcho, able to override whatever dumbass plot the writers cook up?  Unless…Bell IS the problem because the mandate for the stupid plots and craptastic dialogue originated from him/given the green light from him.

[backhometome]

Hope and Carter are a pathetic pairing. I think worse than Thope. At least they had chemistry together. 

 

[Waldo13]

10 minutes lost, at the beginning, due to a special report. I guess nothing was really missed.  

Ridge is still an ass hole and Brooke is still loves the ass hole even above her daughter.  Brooke tell me what’s right about Stuffy kicking Hope to the curb for personal reasons and Ridge allowing it, when Carter is taking over mainly for business reasons.  Brooke can’t be that delusional in trying to make Ridge see the errors of his ways especially when Stuffy doesn’t  give 💩💩 about what anyone else wants. 

 

[CharlizeCat]

10 hours ago, norcalgal said:

Unless…Bell IS the problem because the mandate for the stupid plots and craptastic dialogue originated from him/given the green light from him.

I think you answered your own question. I have been a long-time viewer, and after Bell Sr. passed and his son became EP and head writer, the storylines have been slowly circling the drain. In the case, the apple fell several oceans away from the tree! 

[ByTor]

On 11/21/2024 at 10:53 PM, KerleyQ said:

"Liam felt torn in two directions because he shares children with both of you.

Hey Taylor, remember the circumstances of Steffy having a child with Liam?

[backhometome]

I dont get why I am supposed to care about Electra and her stalker. Bring back Luna.

Cant wait for this to blow up in Carter/Hopes faces. 

Brooke already blaming Steffy for this coup. Of course. They could have started their own company or other jobs. 

[KerleyQ]

2 hours ago, ByTor said:

Hey Taylor, remember the circumstances of Steffy having a child with Liam?

Considering that Taylor tried to murder one of the possible baby daddies over it, you'd think she'd remember. 

I laughed yesterday when Ridge said they could have found new jobs. Well, I mean, technically, Carter did, in fact, find himself a new job, Ridge. Yours. 

Edited 7 hours ago by KerleyQ

[norcalgal]

5 hours ago, ByTor said:

Hey Taylor, remember the circumstances of Steffy having a child with Liam?

 

3 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Considering that Taylor tried to murder one of the possible baby daddies over it, you'd think she'd remember. 

Gasp!   [clutches pearls]   But…but…but…no one’s allowed to bring up Steffy’s or Taylor’s sins!  That’s verboten, don’tchya know. 

[Anna Yolei]

On 11/25/2024 at 7:23 AM, RuntheTable said:

For me, no more Bridge would be the best thing to come out of this mess, because I know any takeover is not going to last.

I'd love for Bridge to be done but I know I'm my heart that's not going anywhere long term either. Ridge will fuck off to Taylor until some other scheme to push Tridge together is found out or Brooke moves on to someone else (Probably Bill because who else would it be?) and then we'll have "destiny" all over again.

I'm already bored.

On 11/25/2024 at 9:34 AM, norcalgal said:

So it begs the question:  what changed over the years/decades?  Yes, the writers have changed, but isn’t Bell THE head honcho, able to override whatever dumbass plot the writers cook up?  Unless…Bell IS the problem because the mandate for the stupid plots and craptastic dialogue originated from him/given the green light from him.

I mean Brad Bell has been the one common denominator across the show's since 2003.

Officially, he took over the day-to-day in 1993 with Bill Bell as a consultant but I won't lie, in my classic B&B watch, many of the hallmarks of modern B&B were there too after he became in charge. Most notably for me was the very lovely relationship between Darla and Bill Spencer Sr that seemed to be going somewhere and when when Brad took over, POOF! Disappeared without a word.

And then, there was Thorne and Macy's entire relationship, which I was NOT prepared for. I thought Ridge was absolute shit, but at least he would get dragged on occasion, which happened far less often than with Thorne. I will never complain aboutbthe three weeks Liam and Hope spent in 2012 crying about being "robbed" by Rick's antics when Macy became an entire alcoholic over a mistake that it took A YEAR for either of them to clear up, yeesh.

But man, 2003 was really the first time I noticed a truly sharp decline beginning with that stupid Ridge/Bridget shit into what was IMO a damn good story that should have been about Stephanie the Good and Moral™ being exposed as a hypocrite, followed by 2011 when the show became all about Steffy & Hope, and then 2020, where Bell took the excuse of pandemics limiting the number of actors on set to never do more than one storyline at a time ever again.

I know from Y&R's revving door of head writers to be careful what we wish for but until Bell leaves, nothing will fundamentally changed on this show, for better or for worse.