B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[Waldo13]

Yes Ridge, stick your head in the sand and don’t make a comment about Hope’s demise.  Another lesson in the ineptness of the FC C-Suite. 

If Taylor is such a renowned Phycologist then why can’t Taylor afford a place of her own?  Why is she conducting business in Stuffy’s home.  A home that she bought, from Bill, after she played ride the wild stallion with him.  What’s with the supposedly strong woman, Stuffy, that needs daily affirmation that she is right.  

So Electra has a stalker.  By the way, that is a terrible picture of Electra.

Taylor is such a hypocrite. She tells Brooke that it’s inappropriate behavior for Hope to go after Finn, but it’s not inappropriate behavior for her to go after Ridge.  

RJ and Luna have been replaced by Electra and Will.  Two beautiful girls, paired with two dweebs.  

 

[KerleyQ]

I was really hoping that, when Brooke was saying "oh, yes, what was that yoga pose called again?" she'd say "I believe it was the hypocrite?"  Because Brooke shouldn't have been upset by seeing Dishrag in Ridge's lap because they were just doing a yoga pose, and she just needed to listen to what was really happening, but Dishrag's bitchass daughter gets to end Hope's career without stopping to listen to what actually happened?  And Dishrag's "I don't want Hope to be shamed." Oh, the fuck you don't. You practically orgasmed when Ridge co-signed Hope being fired and marched out of the office in front of everyone. 

Electra, just tell your family that you have an obsessive ex, and you'd rather not be made a public face of the company, for fear of attracting his attention to your whereabouts. Yes, this is a business, but this is also your family.  

You just know that the whole reason Princess SuperBitch is so on board with the jewelry line is so she can point to Ivy and say "if I was making business decisions on my personal feelings, would Ivy work here?"  

Whenever it comes out that Hope was waiting for Carter, I hope Brooke, Hope, and Carter all tell Ridge to go fuck himself if he tries to act like, "if I'd only known the truth..." 

[CountryGirl]

11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Whenever it comes out that Hope was waiting for Carter, I hope Brooke, Hope, and Carter all tell Ridge to go fuck himself if he tries to act like, "if I'd only known the truth..." 

We can hope but I doubt we'll ever get that.

Andplusalso? It doesn't matter.

Even if it had been Finn Hope was waiting for, it wasn't grounds to fire Hope.

Steffy wasn't even thinking that in firing Hope and killing HFTF, she put many, many folks out of work besides Hope and Zende. But Bitch could not care less that some FC will likely struggle to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table and the holidays are coming up.

Speaking of the holidays, you're a mean bitch, Steffy Grinch.

More lyrics to come later if I'm feeling festive as we approach the season of joy and giving. Something Steffy knows nothing about.

I hope Hope and company jump ship and form their own fashion house, but barring that, I hope Carter finds some loophole to oust the Fauxersters from the top spots.

Finally, the premise that Carter is up on his high horse about Hope, is a bit faulty. Yes, Steffy and Ridge are technically his bosses but he is not just the COO, he's lead counsel for FC, so as such, it behooves him to point out when the company, including its C-Suite employees are acting illegally to you know, avoid litigation.

 

[KerleyQ]

2 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Finally, the premise that Carter is up on his high horse about Hope, is a bit faulty. Yes, Steffy and Ridge are technically his bosses but he is not just the COO, he's lead counsel for FC, so as such, it behooves him to point out when the company, including its C-Suite employees are acting illegally to you know, avoid litigation.

I was wondering why Carter hasn't explicitly pointed the potential legal issues out to them. Then I realized that that if part of his plan to get back at them involves those issues, he's not going to give them the heads up on what those legal issues are. (Which isn't really ethical and all, but this whole storyline has thrown any kind of ethical standards out the window, so...) 

[Cool Breeze]

5 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Steffy wasn't even thinking that in firing Hope and killing HFTF, she put many, many folks out of work besides Hope and Zende. But Bitch could not care less that some FC will likely struggle to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table and the holidays are coming up.

The problem with Steffy (ok, one of several) is that she's a "boss", not a leader.  She barks orders and speaks in brusque, clipped tones like she's some kind of badass.  But all she is is a bully.  She directs and commands but she doesn't inspire or lead or protect.  Leaders lead, and the best of them think of it as more a service position, taking care of their people, etc.  Bosses just bark.  Steffy's a "boss".

 

ETA, I thought KKL did a good job in her conversation with "Taylor' yesterday.  She was direct and not whiny.  And she wasn't afraid of shifting the tone of the conversation, like when RB chuckled at the idea of Brooke seeing her and Ridge in yabyum.  She just said quietly but directly "I didn't think it was funny."  Well done.

Edited Tuesday at 07:35 PM by Cool Breeze

[backhometome]

Brooke is the most insecure woman over a pathetic man. 

[aussieinsydney]

1 hour ago, backhometome said:

Brooke is the most insecure woman over a pathetic man. 

One could say that about Steffy and Finn.

[CountryGirl]

13 minutes ago, aussieinsydney said:

One could say that about Steffy and Finn.

Steffy fired Hope with zero cause because of her insecurity. 

Brooke may be insecure where Ridge is concerned but until she fires someone for so much as looking in her lover's direction, Steffy is going to take the prize.

[backhometome]

49 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Steffy fired Hope with zero cause because of her insecurity. 

Brooke may be insecure where Ridge is concerned but until she fires someone for so much as looking in her lover's direction, Steffy is going to take the prize.

It wasn't based on insecurity. Hope was after Finn for months fantasizing about him and kissing him at a family party. And walked in on her on top of Finn. Also Finn has expressed no interest in Hope romantically. Ridge has been on this merry go round of Taylor/Brooke for decades. 

[Artsda]

Brooke should let Taylor have him, drop Ridge off at Steffys. 

[Waldo13]

Stuffy thinks nothing of interfering with Brooke and Ridge but woe to anyone who interferes with  her family.  Same for Taylor. 

 

Beside replacing Luna/RJ with Electra/Will, Luna and Electra have a similar story with moving from place to place to eventually wind up in LA.  I wonder if Luna and Electra have a hazardous duty clause, in their contract, because they have to kiss these dweebs. 

 

 

As an aside:  Laneya Grace (Electra) was in a 2024 movie, 72 Hours with Pierson Fode, Thomas Forester from 2015 to 2018. 

 

[KerleyQ]

3 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Steffy fired Hope with zero cause because of her insecurity. 

Brooke may be insecure where Ridge is concerned but until she fires someone for so much as looking in her lover's direction, Steffy is going to take the prize.

And, at least Ridge has given Brooke many reasons to be insecure. When has Finn Steffy's Husband given her even a moment to be insecure about where his heart is? 

Didn't Steffy and Ridge already have this exact same conversation about breaking up their family when she was a kid like a year ago?  

It really bugs me that nobody on this show draws the obvious parallel between Steffy firing Hope for "going after my husband," and Taylor repeatedly, with Steffy's assistance, going after Ridge. Like when Brooke reminded Taylor today that she and Ridge are in a committed relationship, it would have been the right time to say "and since you and your daughter have been up in arms thinking Hope is going after Finn Steffy's Husband, to the point of Steffy firing her, I know you're not going to be hypocrites and mess with my relationship."  

I laughed out loud when Taylor started going on about her wonderful full life. So wonderful and full that she skulked around stalking her ex in Europe and then followed him home with her Broken Heart Syndrome, then just settled in to die. 

[Snaporaz]

4 hours ago, backhometome said:

It wasn't based on insecurity. Hope was after Finn for months fantasizing about him and kissing him at a family party. And walked in on her on top of Finn. Also Finn has expressed no interest in Hope romantically. Ridge has been on this merry go round of Taylor/Brooke for decades. 

Finn may not have expressed any interest in Hope, but he certainly gave her mixed signals with his numerous temple massages.  His intentions might have been innocent, but how dim is he for not thinking that could be construed as an intimate moment?  And Hope was sloshed when she kissed him.  Not an excuse, but it is an extenuating circumstance.

This boring version of Taylor is so unbelievable as a lifelong rival for Brooke, or the object of Prince Omar's obsession..  I know she's supposed to be some beloved soap vet, but... she's pretty terrible.  

[norcalgal]

10 hours ago, Snaporaz said:

And Hope was sloshed when she kissed him.  Not an excuse, but it is an extenuating circumstance.

THIS!!!  What was Steffy’s “extenuating circumstance” when she f@cked (not merely kissed) Hope’s husband?!  None, zero, nada. 

[backhometome]

10 hours ago, Snaporaz said:

Finn may not have expressed any interest in Hope, but he certainly gave her mixed signals with his numerous temple massages.  His intentions might have been innocent, but how dim is he for not thinking that could be construed as an intimate moment?  And Hope was sloshed when she kissed him.  Not an excuse, but it is an extenuating circumstance.

Being friendly with someone is not a go a head to kiss them. And he is a Dr. so him giving her a head massage was that. She was the idiot that took it as something else. She was not innocent in this. She created this whole mess herself. 

[CountryGirl]

22 hours ago, backhometome said:

It wasn't based on insecurity. Hope was after Finn for months fantasizing about him and kissing him at a family party. And walked in on her on top of Finn. Also Finn has expressed no interest in Hope romantically. Ridge has been on this merry go round of Taylor/Brooke for decades. 

Secure women don't illegally fire employees for actions that have nothing to do with the workplace. Secure women, who trust their husbands, men who have given them zero reason to distrust them, know that it does not matter if a million women throw themselves at their husbands. Because a loyal, faithful husband won't give another woman a single thought. Finn has made it more than abundantly clear that he never was and never will be interested in Hope. That should have been enough for Steffy but it isn't and that's all on Steffy.

Steffy torpedoed her marriage to Liam by cheating with his father and nearly did the same for Hope and Liam's marriage and her own committed relationship to Finn by cheating with Liam. She does not have any legal or moral high ground here. Again, it's her own insecurities from her own very checkered past that are in play here. 

Steffy had zero grounds to fire Hope. She did it to punish her for ONE kiss when Hope was drunk which Hope has apologized, profusely, over and over again, to Steffy and Finn.

The lingerie incident was an accident and had nothing to do with Finn and even if it did, again, it is not grounds for firing. 

I also fail to understand how one drunken kiss is being inflated and conflated with Steffy fucking her own father-in-law or her ex-husband who was married to Hope at the time. As far as Hope fantasizing about Finn, to that I say, if temptation is a sin than Christ himself was a sinner. Thoughts are...thoughts. Actions are...actions. 

The only difference is that Hope has shown remorse for her actions. Steffy will never, ever own her shit and with her team of apologists at her side (her trifling enabling parents most of all) she never will. 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:13 PM by CountryGirl

[Waldo13]

I have nothing against aligning your chakras if you are into that but it’s just not very exciting to know Stuffy’s and Taylor’s inner feelings. I want no part of the monkeys with a keyboard trying to humanize Stuffy and Taylor.  

[Js Nana]

On 11/11/2024 at 1:27 PM, norcalgal said:

Ridge surviving a fall out of a helicopter without a scratch

I can't stop laughing over the mental image this forms.

[CharlizeCat]

Was I the only one hoping that after a "session" with Scamdra, that Steffy would reemerge as a kind, compassionate, humble person?

Nah. Didn't think so.  

Edited Thursday at 03:40 AM by CharlizeCat

[CountryGirl]

13 hours ago, Js Nana said:

I can't stop laughing over the mental image this forms.

I could watch this over and over. Skip to the 4:58 mark. You're welcome.

 

[RuntheTable]

The very thought of Ridge and Steffy standing in judgement of Hope, or anyone for that matter, is downright hilarious. These two serial offenders have long, winding roads that are littered with the detritus of their betrayals. Ridge has always waffled, but historically, he would not step out on whoever he was with. But Ridge is an entirely different character now and has had no problem hurting those he claims to love. He got into a relationship with his brother’s wife, which eventually led to their divorce. After that ended, he and Brooke reunited and got engaged. Shortly after that he began a kissing affair with his stepmother that went on for months and involved a lot more than one drunken kiss. Then, he devastated Brooke again by leaving her for Shauna, a woman he eventually married. When it was discovered that Shauna and Quinn had conspired to fake Ridge and Brooke’s divorce, and that his marriage to Shauna was null and void, instead of being angry he felt he owed it to Shauna to give her a legal marriage. And just recently he ran away to Aspen to be with Taylor when he believed that Brooke had called CPS on his beloved son. For months he and Taylor carried on in an open affair without one thought of how it was humiliating Brooke. I don’t need to outline Steffy’s offences as my fellow posters have done an excellent job of that. However, I would like to say that Steffy’s transgressions go further back than Stallion Night. She has made a career out of interfering in other people's relationships, usually with the goal of splitting them up. This goes all the way back to Oliver, and includes Bill, Liam, Marcus, Rick and Thomas. Outside of that, Steffy is a nepo baby, who was gifted a top spot as a peace offering from her hated step grandmother. At that time, she had made no real significant contributions to Forrester and should have had to work her way up. When Brooke took over the company, she certainly had no business experience, but she had made a ginormous contribution with BeLief, a contribution the Forrester’s did their damnedest to take from her. Brooke continued to contribute after taking over by developing the men’s line, the oversees office, and Brooke’s Bedroom. What has Steffy contributed since becoming Co-CEO? I can’t think of one thing, but she has made a lot of really bad decisions. Decisions that are always hand waved away or brushed under the rug. The most glaring would be running Thomas out of town, leaving FC’s most profitable line with no head designer. Then, when the line begins to tank, Steffy wants to immediately pull it, with no one but Hope and Brooke being willing to voice that Steffy is the one responsible for the problems with HFTF.

None of that is to say Hope was right to kiss Finn, particularly when I believe it was in large part to get one up on Steffy. That desire morphed into something else in Hope’s head, and she began to believe her own fantasies. The nonsense with the lingerie and tripping onto Finn isn’t even worth a comment because it was just a stupid accident. If Hope had done that intentionally it would be a whole different set of circumstances.

The scales just do not balance here. It is the ninth inning for Steffy and Ridge, with the bases loaded, no outs, 3-0, with a 20 run lead.

[CountryGirl]

 to everything you wrote, @RuntheTable.

 

[backhometome]

Deacon trying to drag Finn into the Team Hope bandwagon. 😒 

Hope is only honest when it suits her. She begged Finn not to tell Steffy about the kiss. Wish Finn would have called that out.

So sick of Carter playing the best friend card. 

Was that a dress or a robe Hope was wearing?

[Anna Yolei]

On 11/12/2024 at 6:19 AM, CountryGirl said:

Steffy wasn't even thinking that in firing Hope and killing HFTF, she put many, many folks out of work besides Hope and Zende.

This right here is something I've noticed old B&B paid attention to. Every time some line or Spectra was on the line, they'd have someone point out that this is a business and that people's livelihood was on the line. Ridge may be rude to a random employee on occasion but it never went unchecked by Eric or anyone else that was in earshot.

Among many other reasons, I've never been much invested in Hope and Steffy's feud because it all just came across as Rich People Problems™ over shit the majority of us only wish we had as an issue, especially me as a California native who got priced out of my home state entirely.

[NinjaPenguins]

Finn is a broken man. He’s now referring to himself as Steffy’s husband. I think he needs a few intense sessions with a cult deprogrammer.

Steffy is positively deranged. She loves to murmur that Hope is gone and her line is cut like it’s some kind of comforting mantra. Someone stands up for Hope? Hope must be influencing them with her magic mind control powers. Someone not showing the proper deference to her royal highness? They’ve changed in some nefarious way - it couldn’t possibly be that Steffy did something objectionable. When Finn told her he was such a good doggie at Deacon’s and Steffy gave him a big smile and a Milkbone, I almost threw up in my mouth a little. Their relationship is a series of disgusting loyalty tests with Steffy punishing or rewarding Her Husband accordingly.

Ridge was so arrogant and high handed talking to Carter. Wow.

Hey, uh, when was the last time Brad Bell saw a computer? If Steffy is using whatever the hell that was to run the company, she’s a shittier CEO than I imagined.

[smartyshorts]

On 11/8/2024 at 9:42 PM, Waldo13 said:

Carter, if I were you, I would tender my letter of resignation immediately.  What Ridge was describing, for the LLC, is actually an attempt at a tax dodge which most likely would not work especially in their overseas operations.  

I'd like Carter to pretend to Acquiesce, get that ridiculous request in writing (since he is ACTING CFO as well as COO) then turn FC in to the IRS. And resign three days before the inevitable audit. Cuz the way Ridge spoke to him was deplorable, but predictable. I've definitely been there..someone you thought was your friend really only used you to fulfill an agenda. It hurts so bad and makes you doubt your own instincts. 

Can you imagine the fallout if Brooke decides to pause or shut down Brooke's bedroom line? That's the only successful thing Forester has going on right now. 

No father/son design competition will save them, even if Esther Valentine and Marie Osmond buy 5 gowns each! 

Luna is such a cute lil' psycho. Love her! Can she get a good disguise (no magic plastic surgery, please. I want to keep this actress!) And haunt Taylor and Steffy as Phoebe? 

Since HFTF has been scrapped, did RJ already leave to travel the world and post tik tok dances, or whatever he was doing?

[Waldo13]

Stuffy you are so wrong. When you don’t have a man in your life, you go after Liam.  

 

Did Stuffy actually say that there was no fallout from firing Hope or cutting HFTF?  How can she judge the fallout in a couple of days.  I guess nobody will notice that Stuffy deleted Hope from their website.  

 

Does Deacon really think that Finn would defend Hope. Finn knows that Hope tripped but if he said that to Stuffy, he would be missing more than his balls.  

 

Ridge, if you do business in Europe you have to pay taxes in Europe.  Since you are an American company, you have to pay taxes on your European profits, that’s tax law, but at a reduced rate.  You get more of a tax benefit from a sub section S Corp than you would from  LLC. 

 

Stuffy, really Hope can do nothing about it?  Hope can sue your ass off for not complying with  CA labor law.  

[Artsda]

All the Steffy, Ridge in charge and in control today seems like something will change that power trip. 

[KerleyQ]

All I could think during Steffy's scenes at FC, other than how fucking annoying she is, was how uncomfortable JMW must have been with the way that top was cutting into her chest. 

And I will keep beating this dead horse, but the meditation scenes would have been a great time for Steffy to end up reliving some memory where she's young and Taylor is gone, leading to Taylor having to actually own up to her bullshit and get off that fraudulent pedestal she's been perched on. If Steffy is going to keep reliving her childhood and the disappointment that her parents weren't together, then she should also relive the fact that her mother may have been taken away initially the times she left, but she eventually hit a point where she chose to stay gone.  And she still does that now. If Ridge's dick isn't an option, she decides to be all philanthropical and hit the road. 

I'm very confused as to how time has worked in the past two episodes. Carter is over at the cabin to see Hope, but he has to get to the office. He goes in, has one meeting, and then he's right back to the cabin?  Did the entirety of one day pass in minutes? And Ridge and Steffy treat him shittier and shittier by the day. 

Finn Steffy's Husband clearly even knows that he is required to offer up daily (at least) affirmations of his love for her. "Hey, I just talked to Deacon, and he wanted me to help Hope, but don't you worry, I didn't do it. I was a good boy. And I came running right over here to tell you. Did I do good? Did I?"  

[NinjaPenguins]

Now, I am not a professional writer by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps this LLC plot twist is not as dumb and lazy as it appears. Sometimes one must work hard to suspend disbelief in order to enjoy a good face cracking.

Way to stand firm on your principles, Eric.

Does the show need two psycho stalkers at once? I mean, technically it would be three, but Sheila’s been quiet lately.

There’s Steffy, monotonously repeating that Hope is gone, her line is cut and it’s NO for the future. Haha, fuck off. By the way, I’m not a businessperson either, so if someone could explain the term of art I heard in the previews? I believe it was “bitch.” Surely Steffy wasn’t using it in a personal way. 

[Waldo13]

Why in the world would FC be a LLC in the first place and even restructuring the LLC when Carter, as COO, should know that FC should be restructured into a Sub S Corporation. 

 

The pen is mightier than the pseudo Foresters.  

[KerleyQ]

Is poor delicate Princess SuperBitch going to have to ban all FC employees from uttering Hope's name while in the office?  I love how she doesn't even try to pretend that firing Hope wasn't personal, but then alongside detailing exactly how personal it was, she always throws in a "the line was failing," and Eric and Ridge just allow themselves to be placated with that bullshit. 

I assume that, at some point, Luna is going to be free. I really hope she blames Steffy and Finn Steffy's Husband for her getting busted and has plans to fuck with them for revenge. 

If the story is that Electra has a stalker, I really hate how they're having her act like it's something she needs to be ashamed of like this. 

I'm going to laugh for days if letting their bitchass daughter/granddaughter run things by her personal whims costs Ridge and Eric control of FC. 

 

[CaffeineFree]

Anyone for Luna and Electra's stalker teaming up? They could go to Sheila for tips...

[KerleyQ]

5 minutes ago, CaffeineFree said:

Anyone for Luna and Electra's stalker teaming up? They could go to Sheila for tips...

I honestly had the thought during today's show that they could pair them up romantically.  

[Cool Breeze]

8 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Why in the world would FC be a LLC in the first place and even restructuring the LLC when Carter, as COO, should know that FC should be restructured into a Sub S Corporation. 

 

The pen is mightier than the pseudo Foresters.  

No real-world operations apply here.  Carter referred to himself as "Head of Counsel".  The actual title is "General Counsel".  And if he's thinking about signing his name to paperwork to make himself CEO, a single call to the State Bar would have him in a whole bunch of trouble.  With legal action to follow. 

And he's willing to do this, throw his career, relationships and life away for Hope?  Whom he just kissed a few weeks ago?  And who, at the end of the day, is Brooke's daughter so she has plenty of money and will never ever be fully persona non grata with the Forresters.  Carter has no such ties so he will be out.

[RuntheTable]

On the first part of the journey

When I came into Steffy’s life

There were pills and lies and guns and things

There was paternity tests and proposals and rings

 

The first thing I saw was a young woman with a buzz

And an empty bottle of meds

She needed help, so I decided to try

But I didn’t know that who I am would die

 

I came to LA as Dr. Finn

But now I’m a man with no name

I’m just a sap and have no shame

In Steffy’s world you’re not allowed to remember your name

Cause your “Steffy’s Husband” now and she runs the game

 

On to other topics........

I don't know much about LLC's, but it seems to me if you forge a name and get the powers that be to sign it, that there would be some sort of legality that would make that document null and void. 

Or, it could just be a simple matter of those in charge being smart enough to read a document before they sign it. 

Ridge knows about this stuff. He got Brooke to sign the contract robbing her of the BeLief patent without her knowledge, but as Carter said, Seffy and Ridge don't have a clue. 

I guess as long as they both get a swift kick in the pants I am on board, but I would much rather have seen Carter sign Hope's name on that dotted line. 

I don't think Electra's stalker is an angry ex. I am envisioning some sort of cult, or maybe she was in the naked photo biz and he was the photographer. B level porn? 

You know, because I just dislike the character so much, I have to mention how Steffy is never complete unless she is in a fight. Or if she hates someone. Brooke, Hope, Sheila; she steps from one battlefield to another. And it is always about control. She got Sheila out of Finn's life, now she has refocused on the Logan's. Hope and Finn's friendship is over, although that is mostly on Hope, but Finn could have been a bit more understanding. I mean, when you consider he was able to get passed Steffy fucking Liam and maybe being pregnant with his kid, you would think he could get passed a drunken kiss. But his keeper makes those decisions for him, so he can't be friends with Hope anymore. Now, Steffy has got Hope out of Forrester and I am sure her plan was for Ridge to support her and cause problems with Brooke. She is just like her namesake, unable to leave well enough alone. Unable to leave those she viewed/views as her enemies alone. 

I know it won't last, because Steffy must always win, but I am kind of looking forward to the floor collapsing beneath her. 

I also have to mention how disgusted I am with Brooke. She just rolled over and played dead. The character has become far to understanding and forgiving. Those previews for next week have me a bit alarmed. Brooke overhears Carter and Hope? Will she support her daughter or her destiny? I put my bets on destiny.