Spoiler Discussion Thread

[SleepDeprived]

Maybe Palmer and Felicity go to Central City as part of some QC/PT business thing and they decide to drop by STAR labs so Palmer can have Cisco check his suit out. Of course, something will, inevitably, come up that leads to superhero-ing. I like the idea of Felicity's nemesis in the Smoak Signals comic showing up in 1x18 of The Flash since reality-based, gritty Arrow might not do it justice even if I really wished that they'd stop putting interesting insights/storylines of Felicity there instead of her own show.

 

I'm okay with whatever Palmer and Felicity do with the Central City gang leading to her getting hurt and needing Mama Smoak to return to be with her at the hospital idea in 3x18 as long as it, also, makes Oliver realize that this life he leads is the exact same life she is living. That she's hero-ing it up in her own way and it could get her killed so all the effort he's been putting at keeping them at arm's length is unnecessary and just time wasted which they could've spent being happy. I just need this realization to be sooner rather than later because I can't deal with another wasted 6/7-month time jump that they'll put in the digital comics. I want to see their relationship developments on the screen, damnit!

 

Has there been any further speculation as to what information Sin could have about Sara's murder? Since the team has been hiding it from almost everyone I'll be curious to see how she could even know.

 

Well, all of Team Arrow already knows who killed Sara and the only ones who don't and who need to know are Quentin, Laurel, Thea, and Sin. I'm guessing that Laurel and, maybe, Thea figure it out in the Uprising (3x12) episode because of Sin since she's supposed to be pivotal. Sin will probably question why Laurel is masquerading as the dollar store version of Sara in black leather at night leading her to investigate and find out the truth; or we'll have a deus ex machina reveal that Sin saw Thea the night Sara died, all sweaty with Oliver's DNA, acting like a mind-controlled drone of non-average height while wearing a black hood and carrying a bow with black arrows in her quiver. Nothing contrived at all like Malcolm's Vine Video of Thea's Greatest Hits or anything like that. Or, perhaps, Felicity, in her "mad as hell" moment lets Malcolm's dumb convoluted plan that got Oliver killed slip with Laurel, Sin, or/and Thea overhearing it. Quentin, sadly, will remain in the dark because his frail heart wouldn't be able to take it and he'll keel over at the news. Someone needs to set him up with this for emergencies.

[Ariah]

I'm getting more and more certain Oliver is not fully back in 3.12, Felicity is mad at the Team (for Malcolm connected reasons) and decides to quit and go polish the ATOM suit with Ray, which is why they're together in Central City in Flash 1.18.

 

I hope I'm wrong.

[SmallScreenDiva]

Yes, it's tropey and predictable and all kinds of bad ... but Felicity getting hurt and Oliver gets all ragey about it and smacks down Ray? YAAASSSSSSS!

[apinknightmare]

Yes, it's tropey and predictable and all kinds of bad ... but Felicity getting hurt and Oliver gets all ragey about it and smacks down Ray? YAAASSSSSSS!

 

I love it too, it'd be like fanfic come to life. Which isn't always a good thing, but for me?  GOOOOOOD THING

[chaos is welcome]

Yeah I have had a scene in my head forever of Oliver smashing Ray into a hospital corridor wall for not having her six, and ry dealing some truth Bombs. It would be nice if, after waiting through 8 eps of buckles, they could give us that.

Edited January 21, 2015 by chaos is welcome

[Danny Franks]

I'm getting more and more certain Oliver is not fully back in 3.12, Felicity is mad at the Team (for Malcolm connected reasons) and decides to quit and go polish the ATOM suit with Ray, which is why they're together in Central City in Flash 1.18.

 

I hope I'm wrong.

 

And if that's the case, then you've got at least six episodes of Felicity being remote from Team Arrow to look forward to. Six episodes of her hanging around with 50 Shades and his strap-on compensation device.

 

It sounds like Felicity will be all-in with 50 Shades until she gets hurt, and then Oliver will get all righteous woobie over it, and blame her new squeeze. Probably wrongly, which will make Oliver look like an ass.

[quarks]

I think the low ratings on the return stems a lot from the fact that these mid-season breaks absolutely kill momentum.

 

 

I don't want to make any predictions about what the ratings will be tonight, but as a point of reference:

 

Arrow first season, total viewers:

 

Year's End, aired December 12, 2012, 3.11

 

Burned, aired January 16, 2013, 3.06

 

Arrow second season, total viewers:

 

Three Ghosts, aired December 11, 2013, 3.02

 

Blast Radius, aired January 15, 2014, 2.52

 

Which is to say, Arrow had a slight drop after the hiatus in the first season, and a 17% drop in total viewers after the hiatus in the second season.

 

Back to spoilers - so, if I am understanding this correctly, Ray is going to make an appearance on Flash before Laurel, Roy, Quentin and Thea? I don't have a problem with it - I think Ray and Cisco will be a good match, and the spoiler isn't clear about how long that appearance will be - a full crossover event like Felicity's previous appearance or the Arrow/Flash crossover, or just a few quick scenes, like Cisco/Caitlin popping over to Arrow last season. Probably the second.  At least it allows Ray to interact with other people.

[Password]

Well it sounds like Felicity may reject him on return so, it wouldn't be self righteous to beat the snot out of Ray...just once.

[statsgirl]

quarks, do you have the numbers for the second episodes after the winter break?  I expect a number of people will tune in for Left Behind because of the cliff-hanger but Midnight City may be more telling.

[HighHopes]

Nothing will make me turn away from this show more than having Ray be responsible for Felicity getting hurt and Oliver attacking him. I know Ray is disliked by a  majority of the fandom, but leave that in fanfic. Don't give the fandom a reason to hate a character more. I would be saying the same about Laurel being responsible for Felicity getting hurt and I dislike Laurel. That trope is overdone and not something I'm into at all. 

[ban1o]

I just read the spoilers about Ray on The Flash. They are really pushing for this Atom spin-off lol. 

[SleepDeprived]

And if that's the case, then you've got at least six episodes of Felicity being remote from Team Arrow to look forward to. Six episodes of her hanging around with 50 Shades and his strap-on compensation device.

 

Nah. If Felicity does leave Team Arrow, temporarily, in 3x12, I'm pretty sure she'll be back in the foundry by, at least, 3x14 when Slade returns. DR told that story about SA being back with him, CH, and EBR in the foundry trying to join their fun and them being all 'oh, yeah, you're here' and they were filming 3x14 around that time.

[apinknightmare]

Nothing will make me turn away from this show more than having Ray be responsible for Felicity getting hurt and Oliver attacking him. I know Ray is disliked by a  majority of the fandom, but leave that in fanfic. Don't give the fandom a reason to hate a character more. I would be saying the same about Laurel being responsible for Felicity getting hurt and I dislike Laurel. That trope is overdone and not something I'm into at all. 

 

IF Ray somehow has an indirect hand in Felicity getting hurt (via some suit nonsense or him trying to take someone in the street with Felicity nearby or...whatever), I don't need an actual fist fight. Words'll do me juuuust fine. It is an overdone trope, but personally I'm totally into it.

[chaos is welcome]

It won't ACTUALLY be his fault though (Rays)... Just Oliver having a freak out, blaming Ray, coming to terms with how he feels, what they do, what it means that she'd do it anyway even if it isn't with him.

But I doubt we'll get that much on screen.

[quarks]

More numbers!  (I love numbers.)

 

Arrow first season, total viewers:

Year's End, aired December 12, 2012, 3.11

Burned, aired January 16, 2013, 3.06

 

Trust but Verify, aired January 23, 2013, 3.14

 

Vertigo, aired January 30, 2013, 2.97

 

Arrow second season, total viewers:

Three Ghosts, aired December 11, 2013, 3.02

Blast Radius, aired January 15, 2014, 2.52

 

Blind Spot, aired January 22, 2014, 2.49

 

Tremors, aired January 29, 2014, 2.95 

 

#

 

For what it's worth, the all time series low was for Seeing Red, aired April 23, 2014, 2.19, right after Laurel found out Oliver's secret identity, decided not to go public, and hugged him.

[ban1o]

Wow Tremors had a lot of viewers relative to the previous episode. However viewers don't matter. 18-49 demo maters more.  

[apinknightmare]

It won't ACTUALLY be his fault though (Rays)... Just Oliver having a freak out, blaming Ray, coming to terms with how he feels, what they do, what it means that she'd do it anyway even if it isn't with him.

But I doubt we'll get that much on screen.

 

I wonder if he'd really get freaked out about her getting hurt in the field though. His issue with being with her hasn't ever been safety related (I think that's a fandom-made reason). She's gone out in the field tons of times, and he seems fairly comfortable with it now. I think if she did get hurt because of Ray it would be the issue in which he left her exposed to danger. Because there's only one time Oliver has actually left her defenseless - and that was with Slade. Every other time he's been there with her. Not that she's helpless, but there's being there to make sure she's safe while she's risking her safety (which Oliver does), and then there's being careless (even if it's not on purpose, but based on not having a lot of experience), which Ray might do. IF it's Ray related at all. Which maybe it isn't.

Edited January 21, 2015 by apinknightmare

[SleepDeprived]

For what it's worth, the all time series low was for Seeing Red, aired April 23, 2014, 2.19, right after Laurel found out Oliver's secret identity, decided not to go public, and hugged him.

 

No shame in loving numbers. They're fun! Thanks for the data but... Are you trying to imply something with this, quarks? ;)

[statsgirl]

Thanks for the numbers, quarks.

It's interesting that they picked up for the second episode in s1, but went down even further for the second on in s2 Blind Spot, which was about Laurel.  I guess we'll know in 9 days.

 

I understand the atavistic gratification for Oliver getting angry at Ray if Felicity gets hurt, but then I remember that it's taking away her autonomy to have the men fighting each other for not protecting her.

 

I was looking at the promo pictures for Midnight City.  There's one of Laurel in her BC outfit, flowing blonde hair and mask around her eyes, and in the row below, there's one of Felicity with her flowing blonde hair and dark glasses around her eyes.  Probably not what KC was intending.

 

 

Wow Tremors had a lot of viewers relative to the previous episode. However viewers don't matter. 18-49 demo maters more.  

Trivia:  people in the biz do think that the 18-49 demo matters more because when ABC was down on overall numbers, they launched a campaign about their younger demo, telling the advertisers that younger people are more likely to change brands because of advertising.  All the research says this isn't true, that older viewers are equally likely to change brands based on advertising as younger ones, but the myth still persists.

[kismet]

Personally, I do not hate Ray. I do have some residual hatred towards him as Shaw from the whole Chuck/Sara meddling that he did in that show. So I must admit I hope that is not the role he plays here in this show. But there is something about BR's acting that makes me not trust him. He seems so prone for the appears all good, but really is a villian. I do think that the crossover episodes are the EPs trying to get a spin-off, they seem very desperate to expand the brand. So Im not concerned, I actually think it might be good for his character to have more than 1 show to be on, it will allow his arc to not take so much time out of Arrow. I do think his character is interesting, and I do enjoy a platonic friendship btwn him & felicity.

 

I have a feeling the show might do an in season time jump. It would make more sense to ATOM suit more complete, BC journey as being better fighter, team arrow as more successful & Oliver as more healed. Those are not injuries you just return from... Plus I think we might not get Oliver back until beyond 312, as sad as that seems.

 

I definitely think Felicity is gonna be hurt prior to 318, which is why Mama Smoak will be visiting in the hospital. The crossover will probably contribute to her injury. 1 its good story telling, 2 it may bring a new audience to the show, to see what happens to her. To be honest, I think this is when Oliver will come out of hiding officially. The injury will be enough for him to realize that he cant be out of her life cua 1 hes is love with her and 2 who better to keep her safe. He might be floating around the show in present time, but not really making himself known to protect those he loves. Or because I think hes working on a secret mission for either Ras or Malcolm.

 

Lastly, Felicity's mad as hell behavior is probably all linked to her grieving. The writers are totally channeling all of the Kubler-Ross's 5 stages of grief to round out her journey as moral compass. She's gonna peace out on team Arrow, because of Merlyn, which makes perfect sense. I'm not as concerned with her woman you love comment, because I think its just a tease to get us all going. I don't see much romance in the next few episodes, I just hope they can minimize any unnecessary melodramatic angst.

[quarks]

Colton Haynes has a large, loyal fanbase - twitter following 1.7 million, higher than Stephen Amell (684K), John Barrowman (330K); Emily Bett Rickards (341K); Katie Cassidy (301K); Willa Holland (154K), Paul Blackthorne (62.6K), Brandon Routh (84.2K) although Haynes, like Blackthorne and Routh, doesn't really tweet all that much (a total of 5878 tweets since 2010). 

 

In very related news, this is why Haynes is on the show.

[New Rules 14]

 

ban1o, on 21 Jan 2015 - 4:30 PM, said:

    Wow Tremors had a lot of viewers relative to the previous episode. However viewers don't matter. 18-49 demo maters more.

 

statsgirl:

 

Trivia:  people in the biz do think that the 18-49 demo matters more because when ABC was down on overall numbers, they launched a campaign about their younger demo, telling the advertisers that younger people are more likely to change brands because of advertising.  All the research says this isn't true, that older viewers are equally likely to change brands based on advertising as younger ones, but the myth still persists.

 

 

Actually, it's not about brand loyalty. The numbers are being over-analyzed as more people flee television due to poor

choices by executives and gradually worsening acting skills. The networks can tout the demo as much as they want, but

if no one watches their shows, the networks eventually go out of business. Viewers do matter, and anyone saying

otherwise should stop and consider who is making this argument and why.

[Ariah]

Ok, so Midnight City is the episode when Ray gets to fight some bad guys, right? (refered to here: https://twitter.com/Loli_2807/status/532338022818148352/photo/1 )

http://gatv.ksitetvcom.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/gallery/midnight-city/AR311B_0424b.jpg

Edited January 21, 2015 by Ariah

[SleepDeprived]

^ I knew it! Palmer's superpowers lie in using his crazy eyes against the bad guys!

[apinknightmare]

I understand the atavistic gratification for Oliver getting angry at Ray if Felicity gets hurt, but then I remember that it's taking away her autonomy to have the men fighting each other for not protecting her.

 

Depending on how or why she got hurt, I don't think it takes away her autonomy at all, as long as no one tells her she can't be a part of the team when she gets better. If she somehow gets hurt because of irresponsible vigilantism, I'd be behind Oliver getting angry about it. Apart from loving Felicity (which would obviously play a huge part in that anger), she is his partner. She can handle herself to a certain extent, but he's only left her completely defenseless once - any other time she's been out in the field, he lets her do her thing and stays a safe, easily crossed distance away so he can get to her if she needs him (and she has in the past - at the casino, when they were trying to catch the Dollmaker). He protected her in both instances without removing her autonomy - and he was responsible in the way he utilized her on the team. Allowed her to do what they needed while realizing that hand-to-hand combat isn't really her thing and that he should stick around in case she gets in trouble. I'd see his anger at Ray stemming from something like that. IF that even happens.

[foreverevolving]

The thing is....a ponytail would actually be immensely more practical, not to mention flattering for KC. And it would distinguish her from Sara's look. And BC did have a ponytail for a while. I just figured they didn't do it because the ponytail has kind of become Felicity's thing.

I disagree, but only because I always found long hair for a crime fighting vigilante idiotic. You wanna go for the short hair wig, this way your opponent has nothing to try and grab while fighting. That is why batgirl custome always pisses me off, you have the mask ala batman, tuck your goddamn long hair in it.

Edited January 21, 2015 by foreverevolving

[Danny Franks]

Ok, so Midnight City is the episode when Ray gets to fight some bad guys, right? (refered to here: https://twitter.com/Loli_2807/status/532338022818148352/photo/1 )

http://gatv.ksitetvcom.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/gallery/midnight-city/AR311B_0424b.jpg

 

It's good to know that the Single White thing is equal opportunities on this show. I don't even watch the show, and those pics have me rolling my eyes in how obvious and irritating they are. Try to look a bit more helpless and desperate for his protection, EBR, I don't think that's enough for Guggenheim. Wrap your legs around him too.

[Starfish35]

Well yes, long hair at all is impractical. Better to do a bun as apinknightmare said (MCU's Maria Hill for example) But at the very least a ponytail keeps it mostly out of your face.

[catrox14]

^ I knew it! Palmer's superpowers lie in using his crazy eyes against the bad guys!

It really looks like he should be shooting lasers out of those crazy eyes

[apinknightmare]

It's good to know that the Single White thing is equal opportunities on this show. I don't even watch the show, and those pics have me rolling my eyes in how obvious and irritating they are. Try to look a bit more helpless and desperate for his protection, EBR, I don't think that's enough for Guggenheim. Wrap your legs around him too.

 

She doesn't look helpless or desperate for protection though? If anything she just looks panicked. More like she's grabbing him to move out of the way than the other way around.

[Kymmi]

Judging from the Midnight City promo pics, no need to come back and see that episode.  Laurel looks pretty.  That's as nice as I can be.

[Morrigan2575]

Colton Haynes has a large, loyal fanbase - twitter following 1.7 million, higher than Stephen Amell (684K), John Barrowman (330K); Emily Bett Rickards (341K); Katie Cassidy (301K); Willa Holland (154K), Paul Blackthorne (62.6K), Brandon Routh (84.2K) although Haynes, like Blackthorne and Routh, doesn't really tweet all that much (a total of 5878 tweets since 2010).

In very related news, this is why Haynes is on the show.

I know Tremors was the Roy episode but I always attributed the bump in ratings to Michael Jai White/Bronze Tiger. He was featured in both 302 and 312 and both episodes a scored the same ratings (1.1) in the demo. Edited January 21, 2015 by Morrigan2575

[wonderwall]

Sad for all of us, but good for Susanna.

 

[BkWurm1]

Late to the party but...

Haynes: There was a storyline that didn’t happen – I can say this – that put Roy in a very romantic setting with someone on the team. Who knows if that’s going to happen, but it hasn’t happened yet. That’s all I can say. So look for awkward eye movements!

 

CH likes to tease.  What if the very romantic setting was between he and Diggle or Oliver?  That would have been hilarious. 

 

About Felicity and Ray on The Flash.  Yes, it would bother me that Felicity's storyline is developed on a different show but I'm totally watching both so all I see is "Yay!  More Felicty!"  This will be the third time she's on the show.  She's practically a regular, lol. 

 

I'm sure it really does have more to do with showcasing Ray but that doesn't bug me. At least he FINALLY will be interacting with someone else besides Felicity plus more Barry/Felicity and Caitlin/Felicity bonding.  Yeah, I can totally see her being in a hospital bed the whole time during 3.18.  Wouldn't surprise me if she's in a coma for most of the episode.  It would make filming back to back episode easier. 

[apinknightmare]

Sad for all of us, but good for Susanna.

 

Absolutely. Good for her.

[BkWurm1]

Sad for all of us, but good for Susanna.

 

It's petty, but I'm glad.  You kill my character and then claim there is no more story to tell only to want me back to tell more story?  Too little, too late. 

Edited January 21, 2015 by BkWurm1

[AnalyzeAndCritique]

Sad for all of us, but good for Susanna.

Smart woman. She was freed from this monstrosity. No need to chain yourself to it again.

[ban1o]

Sad for all of us, but good for Susanna.

 

This makes me sad. Moira was my favorite character :( I guess she won't be in "The Return" then. 

Edited January 21, 2015 by ban1o

[wonderwall]

This makes me sad. Moira was my favorite character :( I guess she won't be in "The Return" then. 

This is what happens when a show mistreats a character by killing them off or giving them shitty storylines or just not utilizing their characters to their fullest potential ( Looking at how they treated Walter). God dammit, Arrow. 

[foreverevolving]

Actually, it's not about brand loyalty. The numbers are being over-analyzed as more people flee television due to poor

choices by executives and gradually worsening acting skills. The networks can tout the demo as much as they want, but

if no one watches their shows, the networks eventually go out of business. Viewers do matter, and anyone saying

otherwise should stop and consider who is making this argument and why.

Also with Internet getting faster and the wait time for an episode to find its way online to be streamed (legally or illegally depending on how patient you are) is anywhere between five minutes to a day, many viewers chose to opt-out of watching live and just watch on their computer. This is largely true for the supposed coveted 18-35 age group, this age group usually has less money to spend (and little time too) so they chose to get a faster Internet connection and simply do all their TV online (like I do- which cut down the amount of crap tv I watch to zero). I actually wrote a paper on the topic on the rise of Internet TV(netflix, hulu, amazon) a couple of years ago; for anyone interested check the Nielsen website for their quarterly or yearly stats, the numbers keep on growing, there's also some thesis's and books on the subject.

It's all very interesting.

[quarks]

I know Tremors was the Roy episode but I always attributed the bump in ratings to Michael Jai White/Bronze Tiger. He was featured in both 302 and 312 and both episodes a scored the same ratings (1.1) in the demo.

 

That too. But I'd still argue that Roy is one of the safest characters on the show.

 

Meanwhile, although I certainly don't blame Thompson at all, I need to be sad for a bit.

[BkWurm1]

like I do- which cut down the amount of crap tv I watch to zero)

 

Lol, I went the other way when I got my DVR.   I record all my fav's but the DVR also automatically records the Prime Time TV for the big 4 ( CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX) so I find myself watching marginal crap too...even if I have good episodes waiting for me.  I end up saving the good stuff for the perfect TV viewing moments rather than when I'm multi-tasking or other people are there to distract me. 

[SleepDeprived]

I wonder how they'll end tonight's episode/what the episode tag will be. Will they go with Laurel's "I'm the justice you can't run from" *snerk* to set up the Single White Canary Diaries with a panoramic shot of the city burning as Laurel looks on? Or will they go with that scene of whoever finding Oliver in the snow and pounding on that heavy oak door to pull spoiler-free viewers in to see what happens to him? Or will they go with something else, like Brick reveling in the chaos he's caused?

[Morrigan2575]

That too. But I'd still argue that Roy is one of the safest characters on the show.

 

Meanwhile, although I certainly don't blame Thompson at all, I need to be sad for a bit.

oh I agree, he's safe. I think CH gave an interview way back (either when he was cast or promoted to series regular) where he talked about being hired to attract a certain demo.

[foreverevolving]

Lol, I went the other way when I got my DVR.   I record all my fav's but the DVR also automatically records the Prime Time TV for the big 4 ( CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX) so I find myself watching marginal crap too...even if I have good episodes waiting for me.  I end up saving the good stuff for the perfect TV viewing moments rather than when I'm multi-tasking or other people are there to distract me.

Right but you probably have a cable/satellite subscription (or an antenna). what I'm referring to are what is referred to (and i think i remember the term correctly) are TV-less households, who don't have cables but may still own a physical TV set; Those homes are unlikely to own a DVR and would exclusively consume their TV viewing by streaming it.

[statsgirl]

Networks still have problems figuring out how to integrate streaming, DVRing and internet things into their numbers so they still rely pretty heavily on ratings at this point. That will probably change, once they figure out how to analyze all the numbers.

 

 If she somehow gets hurt because of irresponsible vigilantism, I'd be behind Oliver getting angry about it. Apart from loving Felicity (which would obviously play a huge part in that anger), she is his partner. She can handle herself to a certain extent, but he's only left her completely defenseless once - any other time she's been out in the field, he lets her do her thing and stays a safe, easily crossed distance away so he can get to her if she needs him (and she has in the past - at the casino, when they were trying to catch the Dollmaker). 

I agree, she can handle herself only to a limited amount. But she also knows how much that is and she's been good at telling Ray where the boundary line for her is.  Iif she can't tell him "I've been in situations like this and I don't feel safe doing this", she has to bear some responsibility if she gets hurt.

 

I wonder how they'll end tonight's episode/what the episode tag will be. Will they go with Laurel's "I'm the justice you can't run from" *snerk* to set up the Single White Canary Diaries with a panoramic shot of the city burning as Laurel looks on? Or will they go with that scene of whoever finding Oliver in the snow and pounding on that heavy oak door to pull spoiler-free viewers in to see what happens to him? Or will they go with something else, like Brick reveling in the chaos he's caused?

I was going to say Laurel's "I'm the justice you can run from", and then it occurred to me that they'll want people to come back for next week so now I think the snow and the pounding on the door, unless they show that at the start of the episode.

[SleepDeprived]

I'm inclined to think they'll avoid showing anything with Oliver (other than possible flashbacks) until after Malcolm shows Team Arrow the bloody sword to maintain the illusion that Oliver really died. Then, they might cut to him being rescued by dude in heavy snowcoat and dragging him to whoever's behind the door to show that he might still be alive.

 

It's really weird to feel no excitement for the upcoming episodes at all. More curiosity and a little anxiety that the writers will mess up my fave characters in trying to make them fit the plot points the writers wanna tackle. I have some faith in a few of the actors being able to make me care about what's happening, though.

[AyChihuahua]

I just wanted to tell you all thank you for making me laugh, esp about Ray's Crazy Eyes of Doom and Laurel's oh-so-important fingerless lace gloves and matching lip/eye colors (courtesy of KC, who obviously knows what is important in character creation)!  I'm in the midst of breaking up with Arrow, because he won't stop inviting his arrogant, smug, super-boring drunk of an ex on all our dates, and this is helping.  

[pootlus]

I have to say, while I have no wish to harm Felicity in any way, I love that EBR's expressions always get me right in the feels.  That expression she's got in the still with Ray just makes me want to give her a hug and then put her somewhere safe.

 

As for Moira not coming back - sad for me and the show, but good on Susanna.

 

AyChihuahua, I'm here for the snark, which is frequently glorious (like yours!).

Edited January 22, 2015 by pootlus

[Artsda]

Good for her for declining.