Spoiler Discussion Thread

[way2interested]

Ha, the new clip showing that Chase continues to be so extra.

[ladylaw99]

Wouldn't it be great if Samantha was Chase's ex and brings her to the island to punish her for sleeping with Oliver and Chase finds out there is a possibility that kid is his.  Dare to dream.  I can't remember did Barry do a DNA test to prove Oliver was the father?  I block this episode from my mind.

[looptab]

3 minutes ago, way2interested said:

Ha, the new clip showing that Chase continues to be so extra.

Ha, that's true, but also at least he (and the writers) puts some imagination into it instead of the mindless LoA/Ghosts attacks we had the prior seasons.

Edited May 10, 2017 by looptab
Mixing up adverbs is never a good thing.

[BkWurm1]

I love Anatoly.  "You didn't tell me there was a bar here."  (or something like that)

[lemotomato]

Anatoly and Chase are the MVPs of season 5, IMO.

[Belinea]

10 minutes ago, ladylaw99 said:

I can't remember did Barry do a DNA test to prove Oliver was the father?

Didn't Felicity see the DNA comparison in the alternate timeline and therefore figured out what Oliver was keeping from her and confronted him? 

[leopardprint]

If Flashpoint changed the paternity of that kid, I will never say a bad word about Barry again. (This is a huge sacrifice for me.)

ETA: Why is Curtis, an engineer, explaining to Dinah, a police officer, how to apprehend a criminal? It's like a textbook example of mansplaining. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by leopardprint

[tv echo]

OK, I bit the bullet and took another look at (portions of) 408. Yes, Barry did the DNA test. :(  However, he used William's hair strand and Oliver's blood sample for the test... And Oliver got William's hair strand from a ball cap that Samantha was carrying when he approached her initially in 408, and which she just happened to drop when she was talking to him. So it's possible that Samantha was carrying a ball cap with doctored hair strands. (I don't know if this is even possible, but Arrow isn't exactly known for strict adherence to reality.)

Barry: "Okay, here you go. I gene sequenced the hair strand with the blood sample you gave me. Still not sure what it has to do with Damian Darhk, but the Y chromosomes match. Are you okay?"
*  *  *
Felicity: "This kind of lead? He didn't know what he was giving me. But I run enough tests on your blood to recognize your DNA sequence anywhere."

I fully realize that I'm grasping at straws, but I'm looking at anything that will get this kid off the show permanently (short of killing him).

Edited May 10, 2017 by tv echo

[ladylaw99]

7 minutes ago, tv echo said:

OK, I bit the bullet and took another look at (portions of) 408. Yes, Barry did the DNA test. :(  However, he used William's hair strand and Oliver's blood sample for the test... And Oliver got William's hair strand from a ball cap that Samantha was carrying when he approached her initially in 408, and which she just happened to drop when she was talking to him. So it's possible that Samantha was carrying a ball cap with doctored hair strands. (I don't know if this is even possible, but Arrow isn't exactly known for strict adherence to reality.)

 

Barry: "Okay, here you go. I gene sequenced the hair strand with the blood sample you gave me. Still not sure what it has to do with Damian Darhk, but the Y chromosomes match. Are you okay?"
*  *  *
Felicity: "This kind of lead? He didn't know what he was giving me. But I run enough tests on your blood to recognize your DNA sequence anywhere."

I fully realize that I'm grasping at straws, but I'm looking at anything that will get this kid off the show permanently (short of killing him).

Thanks @tv echo for taking one for the team.  I couldn't bare to watch that episode ever again.  I wish we could get rid of him but I think we are stuck.  

[insomniadreams88]

I wouldn't mind just the possibility that the kid was Chase's and that Samantha knew that back when she took the checks from Moira but wanted the money - and cashed that second check that disappeared into a black hole somewhere. 

[leopardprint]

26 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

I wouldn't mind just the possibility that the kid was Chase's and that Samantha knew that back when she took the checks from Moira but wanted the money - and cashed that second check that disappeared into a black hole somewhere. 

I mean if she was friends with Laurel and hooked up with Oliver, she was probably a party girl as well as lying to the father of her child. I don't know why they chose to portray her as an innocent flower plucked by the big bad seducer. She was a dumb kid who had to grow up quickly just like Oliver. (Yes, I am comparing raising William to surviving an island full of killers) 

Edited May 10, 2017 by leopardprint

[bijoux]

Why can't Oliver just wear a balaclava?

[insomniadreams88]

Wasn't the dialogue tease - or something very similar to it - in the sizzle reel? Chase to Oliver?

[Morrigan2575]

Could it be Yao Fei in a flashback/hallucination?

Just checked the sizzle reel, it is Yao Fei.

Edited May 10, 2017 by Morrigan2575

[bijoux]

I went to check, it's Yao Fei. Nice catch, @Morrigan2575. Starts at 0:22.

[insomniadreams88]

2 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Could it be Yao Fei in a flashback/hallucination?

Just checked the sizzle reel, it is Yao Fei.

Nice catch. Why did I think Yao Fei was in 522? (I'm guessing it's because of all those returns in 523, and I just looped all the returns into the last 2 episodes of the season in my head.) 

[BkWurm1]

Oops, never mind.  Got episodes mixed up.  

Edited May 10, 2017 by BkWurm1

[Morrigan2575]

Rene missed the hearing because Chase/BS/Artemis/Talia kidnapped him. Right?

[calliope1975]

1 minute ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Rene missed the hearing because Chase/BS/Artemis/Talia kidnapped him. Right?

That's my guess. I wonder if that's who the phone call is from. 

[Primal Slayer]

4 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Rene missed the hearing because Chase/BS/Artemis/Talia kidnapped him. Right?

[calliope1975]

If the team starts to go missing one by one, that could explain Felicity's giant gun and freeze jerkwad scene. There seems to be a lot to pack in to 2 more eps. 

[Morrigan2575]

1 minute ago, calliope1975 said:

If the team starts to go missing one by one, that could explain Felicity's giant gun and freeze jerkwad scene. There seems to be a lot to pack in to 2 more eps. 

Seems like that's what they're setting up. My guess is Dig/Felicity are last 2 taken and Then Merlyn shows up when Oliver is all alone (Sizzle scene).

[BkWurm1]

How do we end up with Cake at the END of next week's episode?

And do they just think Rene is hiding out, too embarrassed to show his face? How long has passed?  

Edited May 11, 2017 by BkWurm1

[SmallScreenDiva]

Who was the one getting pulled on the floor at the end of the teaser? 

[jay741982]

3 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

Who was the one getting pulled on the floor at the end of the teaser? 

Looked like Dinah

[Guest]

I feel like the birthday party must take place at the start of the episode, surely?

[statsgirl]

That's just what I was thinking.  Other than Rene being missing, everyone is in a good place right now.  How can the next episode start with blood and end with cake?  The other way around makes more sense.

[strikera0]

54 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

Who was the one getting pulled on the floor at the end of the teaser? 

That's Curtis. 

[KenyaJ]

14 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

How can the next episode start with blood and end with cake? 

Maybe the episode starts in present time and then we get a "___ hours earlier" card. And maybe the episode ends with Chase helping himself to Oliver's cake after he's kidnapped everyone.

[leopardprint]

Or they start the party, assorted horrible things happen...everyone is gone and all Oliver has left is his cake...

Edited May 11, 2017 by leopardprint

[insomniadreams88]

I'm going to laugh if Rene has been taken, no one really notices because he's been busy at the mayor's office a lot lately/Lance thinks he just skipped out on the hearing, and they throw Oliver a party. 

[leopardprint]

Maybe no one noticing Rene is gone will be S5's Roy In A Puddle. 

[BkWurm1]

49 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

That's just what I was thinking.  Other than Rene being missing, everyone is in a good place right now.  How can the next episode start with blood and end with cake?  The other way around makes more sense.

The cake ending idea is great. But maybe starting with blood is something as simple as a paper cut.  

[SmallScreenDiva]

1 hour ago, jay741982 said:

Looked like Dinah

I just looked again and was able to freeze the moment, it's Curtis :)

[Guest]

Never mind. 

Edited May 11, 2017 by Guest

[bijoux]

As I remember it, it wasn't the episode, but Oliver's birthday that started with blood, and not with cake. That can take place earlier in the episode.

[bijoux]

• Ah, so Chase got thrown into the ARGUS prison to be able to free BS. Got it.

[bijoux]

I know serious shit is about to go down, but those birthday party scenes look like they will be fun. Particularly since I felt robbed of the drinks the team was going to get after catching Chase.

[Mellowyellow]

I thought the drapey looking dress would be ugly but Felicity is really pretty in it. 

I wonder if we'll get an Olicity scene. 

[Midnight Lullaby]

4 hours ago, statsgirl said:

That's just what I was thinking.  Other than Rene being missing, everyone is in a good place right now.  How can the next episode start with blood and end with cake?  The other way around makes more sense.

I thought he said it starts with violence and it ends with cake? Oliver hits Curtis at the beginning before realizing it's a surprise party..maybe he meant that?

[BkWurm1]

Hee!  Of course a surprise party is a bad idea, well at least for anyone dumb enough to stand near the door in the dark.  

Oliver probably was a bit sad that he wasn't being invited over just to see Felicity.  

Looks like Thea and Felicity might actually talk to each other. At least they are standing right next to each other, both looking really cute.  Maybe they planned it together.  

[Morrigan2575]

3 hours ago, bijoux said:

• Ah, so Chase got thrown into the ARGUS prison to be able to free BS. Got it.

Excellent point.

[Trisha]

I thought after this episode Felicity would find Samantha and William and think it would be safe enough to invite them to the surprise party since Chase is locked up, but they don't appear to be there in the preview. I'm really curious about how the kid comes back into play. 

[Midnight Lullaby]

15 minutes ago, Trisha said:

I thought after this episode Felicity would find Samantha and William and think it would be safe enough to invite them to the surprise party since Chase is locked up, but they don't appear to be there in the preview. I'm really curious about how the kid comes back into play. 

I don't think she finds them..I think one after one they will all disappear and Chase will tell Oliver if he wants them back he has to come and get them..

[bijoux]

I came across a totally scary fic in which Samantha dies and Oliver and Felicity take William. ? Nooooo. so, now I'm like, protect Samantha at all costs. Maybe the phonecall Oliver gets in the promo is William calling. Are you my Daddy? I'm having fun playing Wilhelm Tell here with this girl, Evelyn. Hold on, I've gotta put the apple in my mouth now.

[Mellowyellow]

I've got a feeling they are going to inherit the little moron. Based on the weird thing MG said about biological kids. 

[statsgirl]

So Rene didn't miss the party because Chase took him?  Or Chase did take him and no one noticed?

Okay, maybe the "it starts with violence" is Oliver taking down Curtis.  But no way does that episode end with cake, unless it's Chase enjoying it.

8 hours ago, bijoux said:

• Ah, so Chase got thrown into the ARGUS prison to be able to free BS. Got it.

I guess he really values her that much.  Certainly she's more powerful than Evelyn.

But Oliver + Diggle + Felicity + Dinah + Curtis + Rene + Slade + Malcolm + Lance+ Boomerang vs Slade +BS + Evelyn + Sampson doesn't seem like a fight worth betting on.

[insomniadreams88]

18 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

So Rene didn't miss the party because Chase took him?  Or Chase did take him and no one noticed?

It sounds like Rene and Dinah are the first two to go missing, so is Dinah not at the party either? I don't think I saw her in the promo, but that doesn't mean anything.

I'm guessing Lance tells the others that Rene missed his hearing and they all just figure he's off somewhere by himself maybe? But then after the party - I think Felicity's wearing the same earrings at the party as she is when she's in the green jacket in the bunker - they realize something's going on and maybe Rene's not off brooding?

As much as I'm looking forward to any Oliver/Felicity interaction at his party, I'm also hoping for something with Felicity/Lance and/or Felicity/Thea since they'll be in the same room. At this point, I'm even willing to take them talking in the background. Just something. 

[Sunshine]

28 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

 

Okay, maybe the "it starts with violence" is Oliver taking down Curtis.  But no way does that episode end with cake, unless it's Chase enjoying it.

I think starts with violence ends with cake is about birthday party only.  I'll be surprised if it lasts past title card.  They probably couldn't get hold of Rene and when Dinah doesn't show they will know something is up.

[way2interested]

Just now, Sunshine said:

I think starts with violence ends with cake is about birthday party only.  I'll be surprised if it lasts past title card.  They probably couldn't get hold of Rene and when Dinah doesn't show they will know something is up.

Yeah, I'm thinking this is exactly how it'll go down, although I'll go one further and say that the party probably lasts a bit longer than the title card to at least give some establishing about "we won, yay!" and some character moment about his birthday and then exposition about Rene missing his hearing/the party to kick the plot back into gear.