S10.E20: Reunion Part 1

[zoeysmom]

Did Brooks have access to medical reports?  http://starcasm.net/archives/331843  I have always contended since Brooks worked specifically in the medical insurance field he would most likely have the ability to weasel a few convincing documents for sample. 

 

Am I the only one bothered by the fact that Vicki claims she doesn't have enough to prove Brooks has cancer does not have cancer?  The number of doctors' appointments weighs high on the Brooks has cancer side, (Whatever happened to her going to chemo sessions with him?)  Her inability to attend his doctor appointments because of her frequent trips to OKC (she had one during filming), she went to Chicago twice,  Tahiti and Florida during filming.  I find it hard to believe all of Brooks' appointments occurred during this time she was travelling.  Everyone can say they are working-Vicki works selling insurance at 1 am so how does she know he has all these appointments.  I believe the last test she mention was a bone marrow  during her all important shopping trip at her designer's shack  https://www.lls.org/managing-your-cancer/lab-and-imaging-tests/bone-marrow-tests and Brooks had a friend take him?  Seems a little shallow. 

[WireWrap]

I know she wouldn't be able to interpret it, but she would know what one would look like.  Like you said, whether or not they did PET scan on her is completely unknown (they do do them for cervical cancer but I suppose it depends on the severity). But, I still cannot imagine why, amid the crazy cancer controversy all season, she didn't mention it even once, especially considering that she'd already announced on Dr. Oz.

 IMO, she knew better than to talk about it on the show, for it to then become part of the shows storyline and then have to put up with Vicki/Brooks coming at her as a way to deflec their lies. I would also say it was strange and very telling that when Vicki/Brooks had Tamra over to look at his PET scan report that Vicki did not mention that Tamra faced cancer herself and would be THE person to go to for support.  

[lunastartron]

Unsurprisingly, Vicki's blog makes no sense. If Brooks "became very private with his health information the last few months of our relationship" (even though this saga supposedly commenced over a year ago and "last few months" would actually only apply to the span of time post-finale), why was she proclaiming at CUT that she had compiled all of his records in a "big binder" with colored tabs and had attended every appointment with him save for those that were scheduled when she was in Mourrea? If her travels, work, and filming prevented her from accompanying him to "treatments" (even though the bulk of scenes by herself/not meeting with the other women consisted of . . . accompanying him to tete-a-tetes with Lenka, etc), why was she chewing scenery over how Shannon "wasn't there at City of Hope," holding his hand, etc, etc, etc? Why is she *still* lamenting the lack of support from the cast if a) she herself has suddenly decided she was absent for most of Brooks's ostensible struggles and b) Brooks didn't want to discuss the subject in question?

[cherry slushie]

To the victors go the spoils:

 

 

 

OMG, It's Regina George (Tamra) and her crew!

 

You know, in the first half of the season, someone mentioned here that Shannon was a mean girl and a follower, and I defended her because I didn't think she was either.  I'm so disappointed to realize she is both.  She was looking for anything to pounce on Vicki once the 'cool' mean girls opened the door a crack to let her in.  Like I've said many times, the stuff Tamra, Heather and Meghan did to her was far worse than anything Vicki did, but yet she now thinks they're the bee's knees and can't stop gushing about her new 'true' friends.

 

These women are going to use her as a punching bag and/or push her to the corner when they're all hanging out together (for example, talk over her, like we've already seen, because they;re really not interested in what she has to say unless it's about Vicki/Brooks).  You can already see it in the way they look at her, make passive-aggressive comments to her, and the way the way they all call her Shannon BeaDOR in an almost mocking manner.

 

It may not be next season, but they will eventually come at her again (with Tamra leading the way) because she's too easy, and bullies feast on easy.

Edited October 17, 2015 by cherry slushie

[Freckledbruh]

So Tamra probably lied about having cancer too? Well damn.

[Bebecat]

Icky is pitiful but I have no pity or sympathy for her. She has dug herself into a corner with her cycle of lies, and face it, she is not even as "smart" as Tamra when she lies. She is the most unlikable person I can think of right now (besides Trump, lol).

[Scrambled Fog]

How is it that the individual who shall not be named produced a mock worthy medical document previously, but is now able to produce convincing medical documents?

Why is the conspiracy theory narrative changing in relation to the medical documents?

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Edited October 17, 2015 by Scrambled Fog

[b2H]

It was the first time any of us had heard she was diagnosed with cervical cancer and we were all in shock that she had never talked about it prior to that. No one at that time ever asked her for her medical records, and since then we haven't heard anything about it after that does that mean she was faking it for attention?? I mean if you are diagnosed with cervical cancer isn't that pretty serious?

 

I had this same condition back in the 80's.  No PET scans were done.  But that was a long time ago.  They just froze it out of me, checked me out twice a year for five years and that was the end of it.

 

Why didn't Tamra make it her story line?  Because she didn't have to.  Having lost my mother and sister to cancer, this storyline got on my nerves.

 

You know, in the first half of the season, someone mentioned here that Shannon was a mean girl and a follower, and I defended her because I didn't think she was either.  I'm so disappointed to realize she is both.  She was looking for anything to pounce on Vicki once the 'cool' mean girls opened the door a crack to let her in.

 

 

You know.... I'd like to think the 'mean girls' idea may be valid, but when someone tells me something in confidence and then, later, goes around vocally denying they ever said anything like that, that's questioning my credibility.  My credibility is one of the few things I can fully control.  Someone does that, which causes others to question my credibility, I'm gonna get in your face too.  Shannon has her issues, but she was outright told what she was told and has someone else who was told the same thing.

 

This isn't mean girl behavior.  This is calling a spade a shovel and smacking Vicky over the head with it.

Edited October 17, 2015 by b2H

[SweetieDarling]

She said flat out "I had cancer", not precancerous anything - CANCER. She said it was removed and she has to go every 6 months for tests.  So we should be hearing about it on the Reunion then, right?  If Tamra announced on National TV that she had cancer, why would she keep it off of RHoOC?  We've all seen the lengths she goes for a story line, and she has been known to lie, so why is she off the hook?

 

Vicki has a point here;

 

It was the first time any of us had heard she was diagnosed with cervical cancer and we were all in shock that she had never talked about it prior to that. No one at that time ever asked her for her medical records, and since then we haven't heard anything about it after that does that mean she was faking it for attention?? I mean if you are diagnosed with cervical cancer isn't that pretty serious?

I'm pretty sure if Tamra was faking it for attention, they'd have heard WAY more about it. 

[zoeysmom]

So Vicki doesn't believe Tamra had cervical cancer?  Somehow this makes it okay that Brooks has a dubious cancer claim?  I do believe at the relevant time Tamra said she could not carry a baby as a result of a medical procedure.  Sure most of us just chalked it up to her age but it is not advisable to get pregnant because there is a higher risk when the cervix has been compromised or removed.  Since Tamra's cancer did not involve or she did not assert that it involved chemo, radiation or something that could be part of a storyline why would there be a need to prove the cancer?  It is Brooks and Vicki's contradictory claims that put Brooks cancer at issue.  It doesn't somehow make Vicki a better person because she didn't ask for medical documents.  More importantly Tamra didn't play it up for a storyline.  This is Vicki's second dance with cancer on the show.  The first was with Briana and her surgery.  Briana didn't have  cancer but for three weeks Vicki sure made it seem as if she did.  Three weeks.  I would think Briana's results would have been available before she left the hospital.  Tamra didn't schedule filming with a cancer specialist and then back out when she refused to turn over her medical records.  Tamra didn't refuse treatment and extol the virtues of an alternative treatment and go on camera showing her blood being swapped about.  Brooks and Vicki did all this.

 

I noticed Tamra has tweeted she is shutting down for now in the twitter battle.

[Scrambled Fog]

I seem to recall Tamra using her cancer as an excuse to have her implants removed. She didn't want anything foreign in her body that might contribute to disease. She merely downsized, however. She had the larger ones removed, and had them replaced by smaller implants, if I remember correctly.

Now, this season, she had larger implants reinstalled again.

My own conspiracy theory is she is trying to compete w/ Lizzie on the mammary gland and cheekbone level. Her cheeks are wider now due to fillers or cheekbone implants, it looks like. Her eyes look tiny and squinty as a result.

It makes me wonder if Eddie made some comments about Lizzie's beauty. Could that be why Tamra was so out of control angry with Lizzie at the reunion?

Anyway, Tamra is the only HW out of all the franchises to attempt a date rape by proxy (using her own son!) on a coworker who was distraught over the declining health of her SO.

Didn't Jeff also have cancer?

[Freckledbruh]

So Vicki doesn't believe Tamra had cervical cancer?  Somehow this makes it okay that Brooks has a dubious cancer claim?  I do believe at the relevant time Tamra said she could not carry a baby as a result of a medical procedure.  Sure most of us just chalked it up to her age but it is not advisable to get pregnant because there is a higher risk when the cervix has been compromised or removed.  Since Tamra's cancer did not involve or she did not assert that it involved chemo, radiation or something that could be part of a storyline why would there be a need to prove the cancer?  It is Brooks and Vicki's contradictory claims that put Brooks cancer at issue.  It doesn't somehow make Vicki a better person because she didn't ask for medical documents.  More importantly Tamra didn't play it up for a storyline.  This is Vicki's second dance with cancer on the show.  The first was with Briana and her surgery.  Briana didn't have  cancer but for three weeks Vicki sure made it seem as if she did.  Three weeks.  I would think Briana's results would have been available before she left the hospital.  Tamra didn't schedule filming with a cancer specialist and then back out when she refused to turn over her medical records.  Tamra didn't refuse treatment and extol the virtues of an alternative treatment and go on camera showing her blood being swapped about.  Brooks and Vicki did all this.

 

I noticed Tamra has tweeted she is shutting down for now in the twitter battle.

Meh. If you publicly question someone's medical diagnosis, demand (oh sorry "suggest") someone give you their medical records in the name of "truth and justice" then you also open yourself up to be questioned. Tamra's "cancer" sounds fishy to me just like Shannon knowing about her husband's affair and using it for a storyline also sounds plausible. Does it mean Vicki or Brooks have clean hands? No. But since cancer/not cancer has been beaten to death, I'd like to know what these other ladies have been lying about. I didn't even know Tamra was on Dr. Oz claiming that she had cancer. So what is that all about? Why didn't she mention it at all during this quest for "truth and justice"? Pretty hinky.

[Scrambled Fog]

I just watched an interview w/ Heather and Terry Dubrow I found interesting.

In the interview, Terry stated he viewed the images (plural), from the scan. Were images fr/ the scan ever aired? I recall seeing a quick glance of a narrative printed fr/ a dictation, but not images.

When did Terry view the scan images?

Terry also said (I'm paraphrasing) the images are indicative of a person at the end of life and that he hoped the scans were not true b/c he likes you know who.

I seem to recall reading or seeing an interview w/ Vicki and her now ex boyfriend where it was stated the cancer was terminal.

Here's a link to the interview w/ the Dubrows I referenced. -

http://www.people.com/people/mobile/video/0,,20956066,00.html

ETA

Terry didn't seem to question the authenticity of the images he looked at. At least not in my view.

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Edited October 17, 2015 by Scrambled Fog

[Satchels of gold]

Vicki is an evil genius because we are now all talking about whether Tamra had cancer or not. Well played, Vicki, well played. I'm now convinced she knew. Her whole financial life is in jeopardy, not just some stupid story line. If she had any proof of his cancer or any proof that she believed it was true we would have seen it by now.

[pamme64]

 

As for the shady scan, once Terry said that it was an end of life scan is when I started to doubt. I just can't fathom how anyone could lie about cancer - it literally makes me sick, especially since I (like you and many others here) have loved ones who have battled it, not all winning. :(

 

 

 

  Very many years ago when the internet and I were very young, as part of a chat group, we had a liar.  She was good, and it lasted for a little over two years. (before cell's and skype). I still have a hard time that I got duped so massively. I have been very cautious ever since.  Maybe it's because of my experience that I found things too suspect... and then really just thought to myself that he's lying.  As it piles up, he's lying. But, the thing that I'm not surprised at (and surprised that I'm not) is Vicki. I think she finally found her true level and Brooks, lying about cancer and all the other crap, this is the real her.  

 These are the people that would do such a thing, like lie about cancer to get what ever payoff there is for them.  (lowlife pos).

[zoeysmom]

Hey I thought of a third Vicki and cancer storyline-Donn having prostate cancer.  She brought that up after they had filed for divorce and she was worried about paying alimony.  Feel sorry for Vicki, her serial cheating husband may get alimony from her.

[pamme64]

Icky is pitiful but I have no pity or sympathy for her. She has dug herself into a corner with her cycle of lies, and face it, she is not even as "smart" as Tamra when she lies. She is the most unlikable person I can think of right now (besides Trump, lol).

I like this very much.....   :)

[Satchels of gold]

So Brooks flies all the way to NY for an taped sit down to prove he has cancer....bullshit. He could have just as easily said I will take that 10,000 for the interview and fax you my records instead , or a thousand other things to prove it. I've had breast cancer and kidney cancer if I needed to prove it , it would take about 5 minutes.

[zoeysmom]

here is the Donn and Vicki story and she is discussing his remarkable recovery and PSA levels.  http://www.realitytea.com/2012/02/01/vicki-gunvalson-donn-gunvalson-cancer/

So Brooks flies all the way to NY for an taped sit down to prove he has cancer....bullshit. He could have just as easily said I will take that 10,000 for the interview and fax you my records instead , or a thousand other things to prove it. I've had breast cancer and kidney cancer if I needed to prove it , it would take about 5 minutes.

He is doing another interview that airs Monday and Tuesday.  Brooks should be getting better with his story.

[Freckledbruh]

Vicki is an evil genius because we are now all talking about whether Tamra had cancer or not. Well played, Vicki, well played. I'm now convinced she knew. Her whole financial life is in jeopardy, not just some stupid story line. If she had any proof of his cancer or any proof that she believed it was true we would have seen it by now.

Nah. Had Tamra and the rest acted like normal folks with some sense, I don't think anybody would question her "cancer" even if Vicki brought it up to deflect Brooks' cancer. It's one thing for viewers and bloggers to dig up "truth and justice" but having a castmember do it just opens herself up to the same kind of questioning. I've already stated how stupid Vicki's cast mates must be to have acted the way that they did because it's a bad look buuuut it also has opened up a Pandora's Box where nothing is really off limits to question. Heck, now I wanna see Tamra's medical records to prove her "cancer". I've seen Tamra lie waaay more than Brooks so what's good for the gander is good for the goose.

[StevieRocks]

To the victors go the spoils:

 

 

Posing as trashy hos at a baptism? God in heaven.

OMG, It's Regina George (Tamra) and her crew!

Ha! Yes--the geriatric version, which is somehow so much more lame. 

[Scrambled Fog]

Nah. Had Tamra and the rest acted like normal folks with some sense, I don't think anybody would question her "cancer" even if Vicki brought it up to deflect Brooks' cancer. It's one thing for viewers and bloggers to dig up "truth and justice" but having a castmember do it just opens herself up to the same kind of questioning. I've already stated how stupid Vicki's cast mates must be to have acted the way that they did because it's a bad look buuuut it also has opened up a Pandora's Box where nothing is really off limits to question. Heck, now I wanna see Tamra's medical records to prove her "cancer". I've seen Tamra lie waaay more than Brooks so what's good for the gander is good for the goose.

You made some excellent points.

I don't if I can agree about the part related to Tamra's medical records.

Do you really want to see extensive records devoted to Tamra's nether regions?

Think about what your asking.

Think about it.

Lol!

Posing as trashy hos at a baptism? God in heaven.

Ha! Yes--the geriatric version, which is somehow so much more lame.

Lol!

Thank you for the comic relief!

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[Freckledbruh]

You made some excellent points.

I don't if I can agree about the part related to Tamra's medical records.

Do you really want to see extensive records devoted to Tamra's nether regions?

Think about what your asking.

Think about it.

Lol!

Lol!

Thank you for the comic relief!

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LOL. Now I was joking about her medical records but I'm not believing that she really had it unless she coughs up some along with the doctor who treated her and a third party unrelated eye witness verifying that she saw Tamra at these alleged appointments.

[Almost 3000]

How is it that the individual who shall not be named produced a mock worthy medical document previously, but is now able to produce convincing medical documents?

Why is the conspiracy theory narrative changing in relation to the medical documents?

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Not that this is what happened but if there is truth that cancer was there at some time currently or in the past this is what I've been thinking might had happened with that messed up formatting to the doc he showed Tamra. I've found that the holistic Drs I've gone to don't often have the last technology. Its not their focus and they also often don't have the most lucrative practices for the upgrades in technology. I've had or have sent docs that printed weird because the software wasn't a current match. If that info was sent by an e-mail attachment to the dr and his staff printed it for the appointment or if the info was sent to Brooks and he printed it could have just been a formatting problem. I didn't think that document was the biggest red flag but combined with other info made it suspect.

 

If the whole thing is a lie then they did a piss poor job of making evidence. Dummies!

[Scrambled Fog]

LOL. Now I was joking about her medical records but I'm not believing that she really had it unless she coughs up some along with the doctor who treated her and a third party unrelated eye witness verifying that she saw Tamra at these alleged appointments.

I totally got that you were joking. I apologize if I didn't make that clear.

I was joking too.

I cosign on the doctor and third party verification.

[cherry slushie]

I had this same condition back in the 80's.  No PET scans were done.  But that was a long time ago.  They just froze it out of me, checked me out twice a year for five years and that was the end of it.

 

Why didn't Tamra make it her story line?  Because she didn't have to.  Having lost my mother and sister to cancer, this storyline got on my nerves.

 

 

You know.... I'd like to think the 'mean girls' idea may be valid, but when someone tells me something in confidence and then, later, goes around vocally denying they ever said anything like that, that's questioning my credibility.  My credibility is one of the few things I can fully control.  Someone does that, which causes others to question my credibility, I'm gonna get in your face too.  Shannon has her issues, but she was outright told what she was told and has someone else who was told the same thing.

 

This isn't mean girl behavior.  This is calling a spade a shovel and smacking Vicky over the head with it.

 

But she was hating on her before the Terry/IV deal.  Her whole beef, where she stopped returning Vicki's calls for 3 weeks, was because of the lunch where Vicki asked her to stop grilling her, and she didn't, so Vicki called her nasty and disgusting.  However, I don't think she was calling Shannon a disgusting person. she was referring to her actions (relentlessly asking for proof/medical records.).

Edited October 18, 2015 by cherry slushie

[Grneyedldy]

Not that this is what happened but if there is truth that cancer was there at some time currently or in the past this is what I've been thinking might had happened with that messed up formatting to the doc he showed Tamra. I've found that the holistic Drs I've gone to don't often have the last technology. Its not their focus and they also often don't have the most lucrative practices for the upgrades in technology. I've had or have sent docs that printed weird because the software wasn't a current match. If that info was sent by an e-mail attachment to the dr and his staff printed it for the appointment or if the info was sent to Brooks and he printed it could have just been a formatting problem. I didn't think that document was the biggest red flag but combined with other info made it suspect.

 

If the whole thing is a lie then they did a piss poor job of making evidence. Dummies!

I'm one of the few that has been defending Brooks' claim. I really didn't/don't want to believe this is all a lie. It's so disgusting if this was all bullshit. I was still on Brooks' side until the IV story. If there was a logical explanation, Vicki sure didn't give it in her blog. What I do believe is, if it's all bullshit, Vicki knew from the get go. I wouldn't be surprised if was even her idea.

People dump on Brooks all the time about how he's this horrible grifter. Well if he's a grifter, he's a pretty lousy one. What has Brooks gained since being with Vicki? Some teeth? Don't kid yourself, that was mostly free advertisement for the dentist? A place to stay? Yes, but that was very recent and people seem to forget........HE HAS TO LIVE WITH VICKI. He has to have sex with her and keep her inflated ego constantly afloat. A good grifter would have been married and divorced by now with a good chunk of change in his pocket. Brooks earns every penny. And every penny comes with major strings when Vicki is at the other end. I don't know if Brooks is any better than Vicki, but he sure as hell is not worse.

[Scrambled Fog]

Not that this is what happened but if there is truth that cancer was there at some time currently or in the past this is what I've been thinking might had happened with that messed up formatting to the doc he showed Tamra. I've found that the holistic Drs I've gone to don't often have the last technology. Its not their focus and they also often don't have the most lucrative practices for the upgrades in technology. I've had or have sent docs that printed weird because the software wasn't a current match. If that info was sent by an e-mail attachment to the dr and his staff printed it for the appointment or if the info was sent to Brooks and he printed it could have just been a formatting problem. I didn't think that document was the biggest red flag but combined with other info made it suspect.

If the whole thing is a lie then they did a piss poor job of making evidence. Dummies!

Oh I completely agree w/ your thoughts on the formatting.

A part of my job is translating the medical jargon in patients' charts into plain English for the patients. I have seen medical documents in patients' charts w/ less than ideal formatting.

That's why I don't consider the document Tamra tried to read as proof of a possible con due to the formatting.

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[PhilMarlowe2]

But she was hating on her before the Terry/IV deal.  Her whole beef, where she stopped returning Vicki's calls for 3 weeks, was because of the lunch where Vicki asked her to stop grilling her, and she didn't.

 

Shannon has said her beef was that Vicki was sending her antagonizing texts and e-mails telling her that she was nasty and a bad friend. Shannon decided to not engage with the drama.

[WireWrap]

But she was hating on her before the Terry/IV deal.  Her whole beef, where she stopped returning Vicki's calls for 3 weeks, was because of the lunch where Vicki asked her to stop grilling her, and she didn't.

Vicki got nasty to Shannon after that lunch in text messages/emails AND Brooks called her and yelled at her on the phone after that lunch as well. Vicki and Brooks esclated that disagreement, not Shannon IMO.

[Freckledbruh]

Shannon has said her beef was that Vicki was sending her antagonizing texts and e-mails telling her that she was nasty and a bad friend. Shannon decided to not engage with the drama.

Texts and emails that she hasn't produced. I "suggest" that she provides screenshots of these emails and texts so we can decide if they are actually antagonizing.

[zoeysmom]

But she was hating on her before the Terry/IV deal.  Her whole beef, where she stopped returning Vicki's calls for 3 weeks, was because of the lunch where Vicki asked her to stop grilling her, and she didn't.

No it was because she walked out on her again.  The first two times Shannon wasn't grilling her.  The next thing that happened is Vicki sent her a scorching text after lunch and told Tamra the lunch was nasty and then Brooks called and chewed her out and hung up on her.  So that is why she didn't jump when Vicki called. 

[zoeysmom]

Texts and emails that she hasn't produced. I "suggest" that she provides screenshots of these emails and texts so we can decide if they are actually antagonizing.

So the presumption is Shannon is lying?  This standard of proof is getting old.  Everything can't be show me.  Vicki is not denying she did it nor is Brooks.  I really am not interested in a show where each text and email has to be shown.  I get it Brooks is entitled to medical records privacy.  Doesn't mean every single damn thing from here on out needs to be proved up.  Last year dipstict Tamra produced a screen shot from Lizzie and it included her phone number and she had to change her number.

[Freckledbruh]

So the presumption is Shannon is lying?  This standard of proof is getting old.  Everything can't be show me.  Vicki is not denying she did it nor is Brooks.  I really am not interested in a show where each text and email has to be shown.  I get it Brooks is entitled to medical records privacy.  Doesn't mean every single damn thing from here on out needs to be proved up.  Last year dipstict Tamra produced a screen shot from Lizzie and it included her phone number and she had to change her number.

Meh, they opened that door. Question something as personal as a medical diagnosis and make it the whole season's storyline then expect to be transparent yourself (cast members not you). She claims that Vicki sent "antagonizing" texts and such then I want to see them just like they wanted to see Brooks medical info. She claims that Brooks made "mean" phone calls then record them like Jill Zarin kept Bethenny's voicemails. None of these folks are getting a pass from me after such classless behavior.

[FozzyBear]

I'm ok with assuming Shannon's lying. I think she lies a lot. Or at the very least her interpretation of events and my interpretation differs greatly.

[zoeysmom]

I don't think they went to Tahiti because they didn't show their passport stamps.  Or Napa for that matter-I live in Napa and I didn't see them

[Freckledbruh]

I don't think they went to Tahiti because they didn't show their passport stamps.  Or Napa for that matter-I live in Napa and I didn't see them

That's fine. Doesn't mean Shannon is telling the truth. For all we know, the "nasty" correspondence was "Shannon I really don't appreciate you badgering me with questions about Brooks' illness on film. That's not being a good friend." which is true not nasty. If these alleged emails and texts and phone calls are used as a reason that Shannon would treat Vicki this way then cough 'em up.

[zoeysmom]

That's fine. Doesn't mean Shannon is telling the truth. For all we know, the "nasty" correspondence was "Shannon I really don't appreciate you badgering me with questions about Brooks' illness on film. That's not being a good friend." which is true not nasty. If these alleged emails and texts and phone calls are used as a reason that Shannon would treat Vicki this way then cough 'em up.

You are missing the point-Vicki hasn't ask for them or denied sending them.  Vicki is not sorry for anything she said Shannon deserved it.  So there is no need for proof.

[WireWrap]

That's fine. Doesn't mean Shannon is telling the truth. For all we know, the "nasty" correspondence was "Shannon I really don't appreciate you badgering me with questions about Brooks' illness on film. That's not being a good friend." which is true not nasty. If these alleged emails and texts and phone calls are used as a reason that Shannon would treat Vicki this way then cough 'em up.

But all Shannon did was step back, take time to calm her butt down and give Vicki time to calm down as well. She didn't get nasty to Vicki and only said something when Billy made the claim that no one, the HWs, were supporting Vicki and therefore Brooks. Then Shannon said that she had supported Vicki until that lunch and the following text/email messages AND the nasty phone call from Brooks himself. Vicki has yet to deny sending angry texts/emails or the nasty phone call from Brooks to Shannon and had none of that happened, Vicki would have been tweeting denials 24/7.

[Freckledbruh]

You are missing the point-Vicki hasn't ask for them or denied sending them.  Vicki is not sorry for anything she said Shannon deserved it.  So there is no need for proof.

How is that an admission that they were "nasty"? She might feel Shannon "deserved" them because she was telling Shannon to knock it off which would be something Shannon deserved. Or that Shannon was being a piss poor friend which again would be something Shannon deserves to be sent. Heather said Shannon was an alcoholic that needs to be locked up in a mental institution. Was it nastier than that? Well, we won't know unless she coughs up the texts.

[zoeysmom]

Meh, they opened that door. Question something as personal as a medical diagnosis and make it the whole season's storyline then expect to be transparent yourself (cast members not you). She claims that Vicki sent "antagonizing" texts and such then I want to see them just like they wanted to see Brooks medical info. She claims that Brooks made "mean" phone calls then record them like Jill Zarin kept Bethenny's voicemails. None of these folks are getting a pass from me after such classless behavior.

Here is my take on Brooks and why I went for from really sympathizing with Brooks to doubting him.  He has now had two interviews on with Andy and one with E News.  If he was really standing behind medical privacy he would stop talking about his health.  There is just no way on earth I would not be armed with a letter from my treating physician with the diagnosis and course of treatment.  You can't keep screaming invasion of privacy, threatening to sue if you are that serious about medical confidentiality and continue to give interviews that don't offer substantial credible proof. 

 

The bottom line is I hope he is not suffering terminal cancer.

[Freckledbruh]

Here is my take on Brooks and why I went for from really sympathizing with Brooks to doubting him.  He has now had two interviews on with Andy and one with E News.  If he was really standing behind medical privacy he would stop talking about his health.  There is just no way on earth I would not be armed with a letter from my treating physician with the diagnosis and course of treatment.  You can't keep screaming invasion of privacy, threatening to sue if you are that serious about medical confidentiality and continue to give interviews that don't offer substantial credible proof. 

 

The bottom line is I hope he is not suffering terminal cancer.

Well I don't believe Brooks but I'm not pretending to be a "worried friend". My main issue is that nobody should have been questioning his diagnosis on camera like that while hiding behind alleged good intentions and the only reason some people find that acceptable is because it is Vicki and Brooks. If Meghan came on the show and had revealed that she had recently had a miscarriage, folks would be appalled if her cast mates started questioning whether or not Meghan was actually pregnant at all. The whole thing is unseemly whether I had sympathy for Brooks or not.

[zoeysmom]

How is that an admission that they were "nasty"? She might feel Shannon "deserved" them because she was telling Shannon to knock it off which would be something Shannon deserved. Or that Shannon was being a piss poor friend which again would be something Shannon deserves to be sent. Heather said Shannon was an alcoholic that needs to be locked up in a mental institution. Was it nastier than that? Well, we won't know unless she coughs up the texts.

Okay say Shannon is all of the above and Vicki stated the same. Why does Vicki want to talk to such a bad friend? Shannon does not have to take anymore haranguing from Vicki about being a bad friend and to state you are a bad friend because you stopped taking my calls after berating someone is not logical and is extremely presumptuous of Vicki or Rhonda to assume Shannon she be subjected to further insult.  Deserved or not.  Can't have it both ways.

[zoeysmom]

Well I don't believe Brooks but I'm not pretending to be a "worried friend". My main issue is that nobody should have been questioning his diagnosis on camera like that while hiding behind alleged good intentions and the only reason some people find that acceptable is because it is Vicki and Brooks. If Meghan came on the show and had revealed that she had recently had a miscarriage, folks would be appalled if her cast mates started questioning whether or not Meghan was actually pregnant at all. The whole thing is unseemly whether I had sympathy for Brooks or not.

A great example and people would question Meghan because in the first episode she claimed Jim had had a vasectomy. 

[Freckledbruh]

Okay say Shannon is all of the above and Vicki stated the same. Why does Vicki want to talk to such a bad friend? Shannon does not have to take anymore haranguing from Vicki about being a bad friend and to state you are a bad friend because you stopped taking my calls after berating someone is not logical and is extremely presumptuous of Vicki or Rhonda to assume Shannon she be subjected to further insult.  Deserved or not.  Can't have it both ways.

And yet you expected Vicki to just sit there at lunch and at that "baptism" to face even worse "haranguing". Why can't Vicki remove herself as well?

[Ubiquitous]

Part 1 of 3. The Orange County ladies reunite to rehash Season 10. Here, Meghan clashes with Vicki; Tamra reveals a family drama; a housewife from the past sounds off on Tamra; and Vicki shares memories of her mother.

One of THREE?!?!?!?!?! Oh no!!

[AKA...CJ86]

One of THREE?!?!?!?!?! Oh no!!

I'll be checking out Part Three as I'm sure all the good stuff will be saved until then...

[Satchels of gold]

I'm really getting tired of the show within a show. People will post about what was shown and then someone else will correct them with tweets or fb post about what went on behind the scenes. People bitch about behavior unbecoming of a baptism and other posters will point out it wasn't only a baptism it was the season finale. The show has now been divided into a metaphor of high school : the cool kids who know all of the off season gossip and the poor schleps who think everything they see each week and earnestly try to figure out what is going on. I know The powers that be at .bravo encourage this but I think it's destroying the franchise .

Ok now if someone would help me off this soapbox I would appreciate it, it's higher than I thought.

[AKA...CJ86]

I'm really getting tired of the show within a show. People will post about what was shown and then someone else will correct them with tweets or fb post about what went on behind the scenes. People bitch about behavior unbecoming of a baptism and other posters will point out it wasn't only a baptism it was the season finale. The show has now been divided into a metaphor of high school : the cool kids who know all of the off season gossip and the poor schleps who think everything they see each week and earnestly try to figure out what is going on. I know The powers that be at .bravo encourage this but I think it's destroying the franchise .

Ok now if someone would help me off this soapbox I would appreciate it, it's higher than I thought.

Number One rule for CyberJawa...just enjoy the show.  I don't check the blogs, social media, etc...that's what all you guys here are for and I usually take my favorite poster's word for it, LOL.

Edited October 17, 2015 by CyberJawa1986

[FozzyBear]

I thought when Vicki said "she deserved it" in reference to Shannon she meant what Billy's girlfriend said. I didn't think she was talking about any emails or phone calls Shannon said she received.