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Let's hook Cara up with a PTV account, she'd fit in perfectly here. Liz can seriously go choke, all she does anymore is defend Franco, and doing it at the expense of the sister of one of Franco's victims is all kinds of fucked up. I actually think Franco acquitted himself better in this situation than Liz did.

Everything with Charlotte and Valentin was some fine advertising for Shriners Hospital for Children, but I didn't mind because they do good work and deserve recognition. Plus, I thought all parties involved did a nice job acting today.

Carly didn't regain her connection to Jason? Really? Because I thought she was all friendly with Jake Doe long before she knew he was Jason.

"Steve Burton returns Tuesday," the ads proclaimed, and then they only give us a view of his eyes. Tune in tomorrow to see if we get a shot of his nose or perhaps an ear. It's like a game of hangman, where we have to come up with a reason to care about all this before he's fully revealed.

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2 minutes ago, Linny said:

Carly didn't regain her connection to Jason? Really? Because I thought she was all friendly with Jake Doe long before she knew he was Jason

 

and about Spinelli's connection with Jake-son????

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Color me shocked they hauled Felix out of the mothballs and had him show up at the gallery.

So I guess Jason will be going to the Facility That Sonny Found™?

Ugh, I really want Dangerous Wheelchair Patient 6 to get up and strangle Ava solely because she stupid enough to poke the bear.

I hate everything about this Two Jasons nonsense, but I'll give the show credit for one thing: Ava being the first person who sees him is good soap. She saw him before he got hit by a car and became Jakeson. I was afraid they'd have Jason lurking around the docks and Sam would see him and everyone would think the toxoplasmosis was back. That could still happen, of course, but it's not the first appearance of SBu.

16 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

And Liz having no sympathy for the sister of a murder victim and instead declaring that she said "awful things" and rushing to comfort Franco's wubbies?

I don't get it. Why does this show insist on forcing the narrative that Franco has changed, and everyone has to accept it without question? Let people be mad at Franco. Let Liz be deeply misguided and decide he's the new love of her life. I'll never understand why everyone has to be one way or the other. It's so boring.

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15 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't get it. Why does this show insist on forcing the narrative that Franco has changed, and everyone has to accept it without question? Let people be mad at Franco. Let Liz be deeply misguided and decide he's the new love of her life. I'll never understand why everyone has to be one way or the other. It's so boring.

Yeah, it can be both: he can have changed and people can still despise him for his past acts.  It's not that hard, writers.

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25 minutes ago, seasons said:

"Maybe it was baseball shirt day down at the playground. Who knows?!?"

 

I love you, Scott.

Relatedly, is anyone else getting a smidge worried that the show is setting up Scotty to go under the bus here somehow?  He's been very adamant about Franco dropping this, same as Betsy and Heather.

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30 minutes ago, Linny said:

Carly didn't regain her connection to Jason? Really? Because I thought she was all friendly with Jake Doe long before she knew he was Jason.

Carly is awfully anxious to pull the plug. It's been, what, two weeks in show time since Jason was shot.

The actor playing the clinic nurse looked really familiar.

The Shriners stuff was pretty good. It helps there wasn't some obnoxious little turd drama-queening around town that his life was ruined by the tiny scar on his cheek.

7 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

is anyone else getting a smidge worried that the show is setting up Scotty to go under the bus here somehow?  He's been very adamant about Franco dropping this, same as Betsy and Heather.

I like to think he's trying to block out the circumstances that led to him being Franco's father.

ETA: Until today, it was totally some random guy playing Dangerous Wheelchair Patient 6, because random guy had rather beautiful hands. SBu's are decent but not noteworthy.

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29 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I don't get it. Why does this show insist on forcing the narrative that Franco has changed, and everyone has to accept it without question? Let people be mad at Franco. Let Liz be deeply misguided and decide he's the new love of her life. I'll never understand why everyone has to be one way or the other. It's so boring.

This has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time.  And it's not just Liz, but also Alexis, Carly, Sam, basically everyone who is a defender of Sonny, etc.  Why don't these ladies just say "look I know he's fucked up but I love him anyway" and just own it?  People fall in love with the wrong person all the time.  Or maybe this person is your dad or your friend.  That's all fine, but at least acknowledge it.  I would respect that so much more, plus it would be so much more believable.

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Ava:  Why should they make me beautiful on the outside when I'm so ugly on the inside?   (And that's what makes Ava and Julian better than Sonny and Carly, because they know that they are ugly on the inside.)

"It's not a decision Jason would have made back in the day."  Seriously?  How many times are you going to anvil that this is not Steve Burton's Jason.  Also, the Jason you know was brain-injured, Carly.  He wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

Also, why is Carly so willing to pull the plug on Jason when she found for Michael?  Is it because she no longer feels "the connection" to him?  How utterly obnoxious of her.

It makes sense that Valentine would have Charlotte checked for scoliosis since she's his biological child.  I guess this is Lulu softening towards him. He's wearing his wedding ring but he and Nina is divorced.   

Oh look, the Russian clinic has a Latina nurse.  And the sister of Franco's victim is familiar -- she's the suspicious cop on the Aurora Teagarden mystery movies.

Dante must work the shortest shifts ever.  He still had 25 minutes before he started when Lulu took Charlotte to see Valentine and she was still awake when he finished.

I am so tired of the Steve Burton Is Coming! writing.

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10 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I guess this is Lulu softening towards him.

I didn't quite get why she said she was glad she called Valentin—Charlotte asked her to. One thing both Lulu and Valentin have been careful to do is honor Charlotte's requests about the other parent unless it's genuinely not feasible. 

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Lulu sad she was glad they had come over.  Charlotte asked to phone Valentine but Lula took her over to visit him.  Dante's suggestion?  Or maybe she wanted to spoil Valentine's romantic evening since hers was spoiled by Charlotte asking to phone Valentine..

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I'm watching Monday's episode now. 

Ugh.  I should have known they'd take Curtis and make him Shawn 2.0. I hope he has better aim.  Liz is absolutely goregous and has the best clothes.  I didn't hate Franco this episode.  I imagined RH playing um another character and it worked. 

I have to confess that I have a ship.  Finn and Anna.  And..... Ava and Jason Hoodie.  Idk, you keep Burton quiet with no weapons and a big hood on..idk but MW made it work.  Lol that they obviously used Haus of Death from the Nina list days.

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1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Dante must work the shortest shifts ever.

Liz also works weird shifts.  She was at work when Finn told her about Hayden losing the baby and leaving for good.  Then she went off shift and headed to the gallery.  then said she was going back on shift to be there when Jason gets transfered to the facility that Sonny found, which wasn't supposed to be happening until "tomorrow'.  Nursing shifts don't work that way, writers.  

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4 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Liz also works weird shifts.  She was at work when Finn told her about Hayden losing the baby and leaving for good.  Then she went off shift and headed to the gallery.  then said she was going back on shift to be there when Jason gets transfered to the facility that Sonny found, which wasn't supposed to be happening until "tomorrow'.  Nursing shifts don't work that way, writers.  

Liz has the dream shifts.  She only works when people she knows are sick.  But poor Griffin is the only one working there sometimes. 

 

Why is Grey Haired Lady upset about Franco "raising " Jason's son?   I think that BM might be playing "real Franco " and had to get surgery after Jason killed him.  Which means Steve and Roger are the twins, while BM is playing a psycho.  They could just say reasons, Heather Webber baby seller Inc.  Unless Helena did the ultimate FU and Steve & Frank did the ultimate FU to the audience and make Steve play Nicholas or AJ.

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1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

Relatedly, is anyone else getting a smidge worried that the show is setting up Scotty to go under the bus here somehow?  He's been very adamant about Franco dropping this, same as Betsy and Heather.

Yea, I got 'Scotty knows more than he's saying' vibes from today's scenes. Which would make no sense, so it'll definitely happen.

I fast forwarded all of the scenes involving the sister of a Franco murder victim because I just knew I would lose my mind.

I thought the Shriner's hospital stuff was bad tbh. Well, maybe not that actual talk of Shriner's hospital since I fast forwarded that because the stuff leading up to it was too stupid for me to care.

I tried to watch the Ava/Steve Burton scenes but they were just so boring so I started fast forwarding them about mid way through.

I fast forwarded everything related to Sonny/Carly, obviously.

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16 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

And who is looking after Jake and her two missing children?

The not revealed yet Jason Triplet- Greyson. There's Jason,  Mason, and Greyson.  Because the more Jason, the merrier!  Grayson is taking excellent care of Jake,  Collin, and Ampersand.  

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2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Carly is awfully anxious to pull the plug. It's been, what, two weeks in show time since Jason was shot.

The actor playing the clinic nurse looked really familiar.

The Shriners stuff was pretty good. It helps there wasn't some obnoxious little turd drama-queening around town that his life was ruined by the tiny scar on his cheek.

I like to think he's trying to block out the circumstances that led to him being Franco's father.

ETA: Until today, it was totally some random guy playing Dangerous Wheelchair Patient 6, because random guy had rather beautiful hands. SBu's are decent but not noteworthy.

She is Alla Korot, ex Jenna Norris of Another World in the early 90's.  

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1 hour ago, Chairperson Meow said:

I think that BM might be playing "real Franco " and had to get surgery after Jason killed him.  Which means Steve and Roger are the twins, while BM is playing a psycho.  

But then why would Franco think that he's Franco if he isn't Franco?

I think Steve's Jason and Billy's JAson are the twins.  The fact that Susan wouldn't know she was pregnant with twins considering the baby daddy was a doctor is just, well, something that makes too much sense.  Allan raises Steve's Jason while Heather sells Billy's Jason to Betsy, who raises him for a couple of years.  Then my prediction only (mostly spoiler free here).  Franco shows early signs of the sociopathic psycho that he grows up to be.  Betsy fears for B's J so she gets rid of him, to Helena, Jerry, Faison, whoever was the big bad in those days.  This is why Franco would remember a kid being there for awhile and has a photo of "Jason" because being identical twins S & B would look the same.  

Whoever the big bad is had Billy on CI, brainwashing him into believing he's Steve.  Why?  Don't ask questions.  Meanwhile, Steve's been in the Russian clinic this entire time because Dr. Bronsky is part of Helena's stable of wackadoodles.  Why?  Don't ask questions.  

Fast forward, Robin's working on "Jason" and assumes it's Steve but it's really Billy because they're identical.  Robin and Billy escape.  Billy gets run over by Ava and needs a new face, turning him into Jake Doe and then "Jason" Morgan with all of Jason's memories.  

Eh, that's all I got.  

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6 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Ugh, I really want Dangerous Wheelchair Patient 6 to get up and strangle Ava solely because she stupid enough to poke the bear.

 

Oh my god, she is so fucking needing and lonely, that she continues to have conversation with a man that she has been told is catatonic, psychotic, and heavily medicated. She has been warned to stay away from him to the point that they will throw her out of the clinic and she keeps going back to him.

And then to hear go on and on about Nikolas being her friend. They spent a week together because she decided to stick her nose in Nikolas' business after he faked his death because she had nothing better to do.

It is the same issue when she got mad at Griffin for not being totally into her after they spent a few days together when he was trying to draw her out of being a hermit.

Desperation is so horribly annoying to watch.

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16 minutes ago, Star Aristille said:

Question: Is Betsy Frank being played by the same actress as before, or is this a recast?

Recast.  Before it was James Franco's actual mother playing her, because meta! performance art! James Franco!

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It's very convenient that now that OGJason is coming back, Carly suddenly doesn't feel connected to Jason2.0. 

So I guess we all imagined the many scenes of her talking to Jake Doe saying it was like she knew him. 

Or her hard-on to find out his true identity and her "I KNEW IT!" attitude once it was revealed (or not).

Or the endless times she's metaphorically humped his leg the past 3 years.

Now that OGJ is back?  She's like "meh, why we wasting this respirator on this dude?" 

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6 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I just...it's really hard to buy that the Cassadines, any of them, would give this much of a shit about Jason, any Jason.

Because Sam is married to him, Sam is Alexis' s daughter, Alexis is the love child of her husband and some woman.   Ergo Helena hates Jason by default because hurting,  changing, whatever him will hurt Sam.  Also, Robin has a deep affinity for Jason.   Helena likes to hurt her too.  She stole her for a year.  Also,  Jason fathered a kid for Liz.  Helena hates her too.   Jason has more different branches than Sonny, as Sonny's are him and his kids.  Helena would also want ELQ because of money and power.   She drew out Fluke,  so she'd def take an interest in a set of Quartermaine twins.  They're boy children.  They will inherit everything.  

6 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I just...it's really hard to buy that the Cassadines, any of them, would give this much of a shit about Jason, any Jason.

Because Sam is married to him, Sam is Alexis' s daughter, Alexis is the love child of her husband and some woman.   Ergo Helena hates Jason by default because hurting,  changing, whatever him will hurt Sam.  Also, Robin has a deep affinity for Jason.   Helena likes to hurt her too.  She stole her for a year.  Also,  Jason fathered a kid for Liz.  Helena hates her too.   Jason has more different branches than Sonny, as Sonny's are him and his kids.  Helena would also want ELQ because of money and power.   She drew out Fluke,  so she'd def take an interest in a set of Quartermaine twins.  They're boy children.  They will inherit everything.  

6 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I just...it's really hard to buy that the Cassadines, any of them, would give this much of a shit about Jason, any Jason.

Because Sam is married to him, Sam is Alexis' s daughter, Alexis is the love child of her husband and some woman.   Ergo Helena hates Jason by default because hurting,  changing, whatever him will hurt Sam.  Also, Robin has a deep affinity for Jason.   Helena likes to hurt her too.  She stole her for a year.  Also,  Jason fathered a kid for Liz.  Helena hates her too.   Jason has more different branches than Sonny, as Sonny's are him and his kids.  Helena would also want ELQ because of money and power.   She drew out Fluke,  so she'd def take an interest in a set of Quartermaine twins.  They're boy children.  They will inherit everything.  

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Frankly (no pun intended) I wonder why the Show hasn't made one or more of Liz's sons go missing instead of playing the aging game. Masked Stranger could return as an adult, prompting the question: is he Jason himself, a twin, the real son, Jason's twin and thus uncle to Lost Son,  Lost Son's twin, or Cousin, or Complete Imposter.

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I'm still super irritated and calling bullshit over Valentin's using French to talk to Charlotte while she never answers HIM in real French. Charlotte should speak French back to him at many points. C'mon Show, that wouldn't be hard to do. The Charlotte actress could always say "Oui Papa!" or "Non Papa" or "Merci Papa" or even "La plume de ma tante, Papa!" Kids who are much younger than Charlotte are bilingual, and in real life Valentin would be encouraging and even demanding that Charlotte practice her French sometimes. French isn't that hard to learn or speak for child actors.

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16 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Relatedly, is anyone else getting a smidge worried that the show is setting up Scotty to go under the bus here somehow?  He's been very adamant about Franco dropping this, same as Betsy and Heather.

Yes.  But I've also partially hoped that Scotty really hates Franco and didn't want to talk to him.

I wonder who's the bigger loser?  The cast member who has to play Steve's twin or the serial killer?   I think they want us to think any of the three could be Jason or Jason's twin since Roger's Franco didn't interact with Steve's Jason,  Jason missed his brother 's last Tour of BS by like an hr or so, Billy's Jason dealt with Evil Nikolas, but apparently whatever Steve is now is connected to him.  And his Jason has never met Ava.  Tbh I think the twin will be Alan Jr just so we "get" AJ Quartermaine on the show,  but it is not AJ.   

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10 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

It's very convenient that now that OGJason is coming back, Carly suddenly doesn't feel connected to Jason2.0. 

Contradicting everything we've seen on-screen since Jake(son) hit the scene. 

But it's a pretty standard soap trope.  I remember Jessica on OLTL, out of nooowhere, saying that she didn't feel as connected to VicTodd as she had been before his face changed right as the Tale of Two Todds was really ramping up.

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Helena enjoyed tormenting the Spencer's, Emily, Elizabeth and making snide remarks to Alexis, but never gave a shit about Sonny, Carly, Jason or Sam.  Nope.  Never!  It is only under this regime that Helena hurled nasty remarks at Sam or even bothered to speak her name out loud.  

Franco sucks, period.  

#FreeElizabethImogene Webber!

I still see no need to give Jason a freaking twin.  Why can't Fake Jason just be some poor stooge that looked enough like Jason that he was used by Helena and Victor?!  

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2 minutes ago, Darklazr said:

Helena enjoyed tormenting the Spencer's, Emily, Elizabeth and making snide remarks to Alexis, but never gave a shit about Sonny, Carly, Jason or Sam.  Nope.  Never!  It is only under this regime that Helena hurled nasty remarks at Sam or even bothered to speak her name out loud.  

 

Exactly.  That's why the whole 'curse' on Sam by Helena was eye-rolling.  But god forbid she wasn't shoehorned into a story that had zero to do with her.

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1 hour ago, Darklazr said:

Why can't Fake Jason just be some poor stooge that looked enough like Jason that he was used by Helena and Victor?!  

Hello, my name is NutmegsDad, proud member of the Schlub Conspiracy Theory Club for years. :)

Not only is Fake!Jason a schlub, but also Franco (Franco!Franco has been dead for years, and Todd!Franco is just a schlub with fake memories), and Jake is a mini-schlub who was programmed by Helena to let loose the Chimera.

(So, when are we going to get to my other conspiracy theory that Maxie's Det. Plank is actually the rightful Cassadine heir?)

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I was positive when I saw those drops of blood by Nikolas's name on Valentin's copy of that Cassadine Family Tree, it foreshadowed Nik was Patient 6 at that creepy clinic. But Patient 6 has been revealed to look like old Jason. (SB)  I have no idea where the writers are going with this two Jason's plot (please don't let this dumb, rambling story-line be a Dream......Jason was never shot & kicked into the harbor, Morgan was never blown to bits in that car, Scout was never born ) and I doubt as the writers say it will take nine months to resolve this plot......or many viewers will find it interesting enough to keep turning in for that length of time.

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Remember that the clinic where Ava and Patient 6 currently are is known to have achieved miraculous results in "plastic surgery".  They can whatever they want with a face.  It would not be difficult for this Dr. Boransky to turn Nic's face into Jason's face, complete with blond eye lashes and set off with those shell-like ears Burton has. Goodness, look what the surgeon at GH did with the wrecked body of Jason when they made him look like Billy Miller, <VBG>.

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20 hours ago, coffee drinker said:

She is Alla Korot, ex Jenna Norris of Another World in the early 90's.  

She also played Dr. Allison "Allie" Doyle on All My Children. She was mostly associated with Jake Martin and David Hayward.

So who's the deceased Megan Gordon-Harrison lookalike from One Life To Live? Please don't tell me SHE'S Megan!

ETA: I just heard it. Her name is Cassandra. Nice to see GH is still a dumping ground for actors from other cancelled ABC soaps.

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This Kristina/Parker storyline completely skeeves me out. It's right up there with Sonny/Emily when it comes to ability to turn my stomach.

Then again, thee are few storylines that aren't completely irritating me right now. Carly bitching about Nelle. Nelle in general.  Carly in general.  Sonny is still on my screen after MB has been phoning it in for at least a decade. Jason might not ever recover so we get to see Sam snotting all over her sweater while we sit bored because we know he is going to be fine. Assman Landers is one giant pile of ridiculousness that I am just hoping will all turn out to be a lie by Amy as a way to get close to and eventually bag Nathan. Shrines Hospitals for Children episodes are just a drinking game waiting to happen. Finn and Anna running all over Morocco is dumb. Nikson is, no doubt, going to turn out to be a terrible storyline. But, more than anything, I hate the Kristina and Parker storyline.  Parker looks like a predator.  Kristina looks pathetic. And for the love of god, stop talking about how you "made love".

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What is it with the weird highlights on the women's hair today?  Molly, Kristina, Parker, Kiki and even Cassandra looked like they had had a bucket of highlighter dumped over them. Or they were old women with white hair.

That said, it was nice to see Jessica Tuck on the show.  As an actor, she raises the level of the show.

Carly to Michael:  Nelle was accused of a crime! You have to know for sure!  Me:  yeah, and Sonny was convicted of more than one, including the murder of Michael's father.  I remember how you immediately dumped Sonny as soon as you found out.  Oh, wait...

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Wait, so Anna drugged Jessica Tuck to facilitate a meet-cute between her and Dr. Michael Easton?  I mean, I guess that's standard spy stuff, but something about it rubbed me the wrong way.

Also annoying?  Dr. Michael Easton getting his Bones on whining that he's not a spy when it's clear how desperate the show wants to retrofit him into John McBain.

It was nice to see Jessica Tuck so there's that.

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Now we have Monaco establishing shots? What is the line item for this in the budget? LOL that the set was the same restaurant Ava tracked down Roxy in NYC.

Where exactly is the Shriners Hospital for Children that seems a quick drive from Port Charles? What did Lulu do with Rocco? Olivia has her kid as well as a job (ostensibly), so I hope Lulu got an outside sitter.

I know Parker's lecture was a Veiled Reference to Her Life, but the class is small enough she should be encouraging more student participation. Parker is a terrible teacher.

11 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Wait, so Anna drugged Jessica Tuck to facilitate a meet-cute between her and Dr. Michael Easton?  I mean, I guess that's standard spy stuff, but something about it rubbed me the wrong way.

Same here, probably because it has to do with Anna still being fixated on Valentin. And it meant Finn giving her something she wouldn't need otherwise. Gross. However, great to see Jessica Tuck. I hope she enjoyed her gig.

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I just can't with Carly twisting herself into knots on the possibility that Nelle's a black widow out to hurt Michael, when evidence shows that Michael's relationship with Sonny is a FAR more legitimate threat to his safety. Shut up, Carly, forever and always.

Parker's class was tiny, but I'm actually shocked they paid for that many extras and gave several of them speaking lines. But the book Parker was holding had Jane Austen's name misspelled, so good job, prop department. Kristina's hair color looked dreadful, especially paired with that blush pink top.

I dislike these shots they're giving us to establish where in the world GH is pretending to be today. It always looks so glamorous, and then we see Finn and Anna hanging in a white cloth version of Kelly's. They're in Monaco, can't we get something a little flashier? Anna drugging the woman seemed like poor judgment, what if she had really gotten hurt? I didn't like that at all.

It's not fair they keeping talking about Valentin's disfigured past and aren't showing us the hilariously awful picture. I was actually enjoying the détente between Lulu and Valentin, but I guess if she's going to be at his throat again I'd rather it be about Nikolas and Ava rather than Charlotte.

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16 minutes ago, Linny said:

the book Parker was holding had Jane Austen's name misspelled

OMG, I didn't notice this! Dying.

I cracked up at Valentin staring all dreamy-eyed at the Shriner's doctor. 

"You have to put yourself in my position, Michael. I'm a nosy, boundary-ignoring mother who doesn't trust you as far as I could throw you, despite all of my lip service that you're the best of Sonny and me. Plus, I have an unhealthy need to control all aspects of your life." 

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