Episode Discussion: TFGH

[HeatLifer]

37 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

Spinelli was more obnoxious than usual today.

He just acts like an OTT fanboy these days whenever he's around Jason or Sam. He's always been annoying, but the guest appearances make it worse because he does nothing else but kiss ass.

54 minutes ago, stlbf said:

Michael must really have brain damage. The only love he had as a child was via Jason and his full time parent, Leticia. 

Does Michael know that his mother used him to sleep with Jason? Ah, memories.

[Chairperson Meow]

4 hours ago, sunnyface said:

Hayden has Finn, Curtis, Nik and her mother circling her and Liz is grateful for attention from SABRINA and the serial killer.

She's just so happy that she's not alone....she's not alone anymore.   

If Sabrina dies, will that song die with her?  

[Oracle42]

Monica should've been at Jason's wedding, which shouldn't have been at Sonny's friggin house. Maxie too - I miss her friendship with Sam.

This show needs female friendships. Why haven't the writers bothered to develop any female friendships amongst their additions to the cast? Valerie/Liz might have been good for each other - Liz has spent more time with Valerie's family than Valerie has and Liz desperately needs a non-Sabrina friend.  It's easier to talk about your fuckups with someone else who has fucked up in a similar way - someone who betrayed a trust - but isn't, for instance, a serial killer who kidnapped your child as a newborn. 

[P3pp3rb1rd]

31 minutes ago, Chairperson Meow said:

If Sabrina dies, will that song die with her?

I don't know about the song, but who would claim her baby? Dr Joe is apparently the uncle (or secret daddy, since Sabrina tends to have "lots of sex"). But the Quartermaines, especially Tracy, might claim that possession is nine points of the law.

[LexieLily]

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But the Quartermaines, especially Tracy, might claim that possession is nine points of the law.

Don't let that baby anywhere near Sonny and Carly! Goodness knows they love that theory!

[P3pp3rb1rd]

37 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

It's easier to talk about your fuckups with someone else who has fucked up in a similar way - someone who betrayed a trust - but isn't, for instance, a serial killer who kidnapped your child as a newborn

Liz is sinking so fast in the Franco pit that she needs an intervention. Sabrina had a chance to say something, but she wimped out, claiming she knew what it is like to be drawn to a toxic dude. I think Liz is drawn to Freako because she is now on a self-destructive path, punishing herself for losing Jason and for lying to keep him as long as she did. She is just too accepting of his weird ambushes and tactics to get dates and conversations with her. A tape is playing in her head: "I'm only worthy of another reject, a serial killer whom no one else wants." She is rationalizing that he has changed. I'm not sure if she realizes that Heather still has vast influence over Freako. And Freako, in turn, is attracted to women who have deep personal problems buried like time bombs (for example, Nina and Carly, and now Liz).

Also, I don't think it was coincidence that Liz flatlined today after she heard about the JaSam wedding. The news will probably get Jasam to leave the wedding and run over to see her as an attention ploy.

Edited September 7, 2016 by P3pp3rb1rd
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[Asp Burger]

Funny: The last thing I remember seeing was Liz calling Jordan about the diamonds. Then for three days I was getting no General Hospital on my DVR, even though I had a series recording set up. I finally investigated further (I haven't been watching much of anything else since the conventions), and I realized that all of my HD channels were missing. I had to call about that and it took them a while to fix it, and by the time it was back, I was out of the viewing habit. I'm not sure I want to fall off the wagon again. It's like I was a smoker and then no store had cigarettes until I was over the withdrawal. Should I look at this as my gift escape? I'd miss this board, and there are actors on GH I do enjoy watching.  

But I cannot say that teasers like "Sabrina springs into action" are firing my curiosity.   

Edited September 7, 2016 by Asp Burger

[LeftPhalange]

I still can't think of any legit reasons why Paul hasn't murdered Ava.

I appreciated Spin performing the ceremony. It meant more than the guy at that Chinese restaurant doing it. 

I noticed Monica couldn't get out of Liez's room fast enough.

I wanted someone to punch Liez in the throat when she started whining again about being a town pariah. 

Sabrina comparing her situation with Carlos to Liez and Freako was a bit ridiculous. Carlos was just a stupid mobster, not a rapist serial killer. 

Sabrina seems to have no self-preservation skills. Too bad she won't take 20 characters with her when she ends up dead. 

Val was annoying as hell. I don't know why she was so offended at the mere suggestion that Hayden might be innocent. Curtis should dump her. 

How does that syringe having no prints on it prove the killer isn't an amateur? Wiping your prints off of incriminating evidence is a pretty well known thing to do.

I get the impression that Naomi could casually slit Freako's throat and dump his body on the side of the road. She should definitely do that. 

[rags]

The Spinelli character is just embarrassing now. The OTT fanwanking over Sam & Jason like he is an excited tween. Especially since BA is 36.  It's like Abby from NCIS. She is in her 40's now and still acts like a freakin goth club kid. Enough already.

Edited September 7, 2016 by rags

[dubbel zout]

6 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

How does that syringe having no prints on it prove the killer isn't an amateur? Wiping your prints off of incriminating evidence is a pretty well known thing to do.

That's our super experienced investigator at work!

[NutmegsDad]

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

But no one deserves Spinelli. Except for said Mack truck.

Spinelli is far away in Portland with Ellie. I'm happy.

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I HATE that Original Recipe Georgie died, but at least that helped her escape being chained to Spinelli. If only Little Georgie's paternity could be retconned. I'd even buy Dead Coop had phantom sex with Maxie and Little Georgie is a half-heavenly being.

I've always fanwanked that Georgie's death was faked, despite Mac seeing her autopsied body, and she's working deep undercover with the WSB, known only by Felicia and Frisco, and perhaps RFS. Oh, and Little Georgie is a Lante Baby. Because Helena.

[NutmegsDad]

15 hours ago, ulkis said:

Reminds me of this FV quote re: Kristina

She was in a relationship with a guy who beat her and we thought, “She’s not a dumb character; she’s not a naive character. She comes from a good family and a loving family” so there wasn’t a lot of basis and we couldn’t really move on with her until we addressed what happened.

YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!

[Aurora2]

On 9/6/2016 at 10:10 PM, dubbel zout said:

LOL at Monica running out of Liz's room when she got the page so she didn't have to explain Jason and Sam's wedding. You could see her thinking, "Thank god I can get out of here!" Heh.

Liz has had discomfort since she was brought in. You'd think GH would be a little more attentive to their second favorite nurse. (You know Sabrina is still number one.)

Valerie's indignation at Curtis was a bit much. This is her first case as a rookie, and she's talking like she's some seasoned investigator.

That "code blue" in the previews was hilariously casual.

After comparing the information Finn gave Curtis to what actually happened in the September 1 episode, I think Curtis might also need to check and consider ALL the facts before proceeding. 

So let's go back to the September 1 episode and review what happened during Jordan's questioning of Liz - and during her arrest of Hayden. Jordan was initially skeptical - both of Franco's interruptions and of Liz's accusation. In fact, she asked Liz if there were any witnesses - at which point a witness showed up. This witness (the nurse Eileen) not only said she saw the fight but also added that Hayden had made a verbal threat to Elizabeth.

Nurse Eileen: "Hayden Barnes slapped Elizabeth, and then said something about shutting her up."

That was when Jordan decided that the information she had was "solid enough to merit further investigation." And it was! I know the PCPD messes up often - and Jordan has especially been known for making rash judgments. However, in this case, she had enough motive and opportunity to bring Hayden in for questioning.

As for the actual arrest of Hayden on suspicion of pushing Liz down the stairs, Jordan and the uniformed cop caught Hayden about to leave town. Hayden's attempting to flee town legally can be taken as an admission of guilt on her part especially when Hayden responded to the notice of being arrested by saying: "Yeah. I knew this was coming." Shades of being guilty. I think so!!

As a clarifying point, while we did not see the bags Hayden had spoken of getting earlier, the dialogue indicated that those bags – evidence of planned travel - were there when the uniformed officer said: “Looks like you two were planning a trip. Guess your plans changed.”

So, summing up, Finn left a few facts out of his description to Curtis of Hayden’s arrest. While he knew about the witness, he downplayed the fight, omitting the slap and Hayden's verbal threat to Elizabeth.  As well, to give Curtis all the facts, he could and should have told Curtis that Hayden was caught about to flee the PCPD jurisdiction. So Curtis did not know the whole story that Valerie knew at the time of their conversation yesterday.

Now I'm not into defending the PCPD and especially Jordan who has had a tendency to rush to judgment; however, in this case, I do think she was on firmer ground about making an arrest - as Valerie is in defending the arrest.

So, while Curtis is right about keeping an open mind as an investigation is pursued, he also needs to be more thorough about objectively checking ALL the facts.  While the keen new cop Valerie may have an emotional investment in solving a case and proving her worth, BOTH Finn and Curtis have an emotional bias because of their friendship with Hayden. 

Edited September 9, 2016 by Aurora2

[peachmangosteen]

12 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

I think the only way to properly express my Spinelli hate is to say that I prefer Franco AND Nina to him, and it's not even close.

I definitely hate him more than Nina. But I don't know about Franco. That's a tough call.

Hayden getting arrested on the info they had is fine (not really but it's acceptable), but Valerie's smug assertion that she definitely totally did it and that they have tons of evidence is a bit much. And felt like it came out of nowhere. Also, her face makes her look like she's always smelling poop, which I never noticed before but now can't unsee and it drives me crazy.

Edited September 7, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[Sake614]

Another thing about Valerie.  She's a 'full fledged police officer'? Really? What is she, 5? What adult talks like that?

[LeftPhalange]

59 minutes ago, Aurora2 said:

After comparing the information Finn gave Curtis to what actually happened in the July 1 episode, I think Curtis might also need to check and consider ALL the facts before proceeding. 

So let's go back to the September 1 episode and review what happened during Jordan's questioning of Liz - and during her arrest of Hayden. Jordan was initially skeptical - both of Franco's interruptions and of Liz's accusation. In fact, she asked Liz if there were any witnesses - at which point a witness showed up. This witness (the nurse Eileen) not only said she saw the fight but also added that Hayden had made a verbal threat to Elizabeth.

Nurse Eileen: "Hayden Barnes slapped Elizabeth, and then said something about shutting her up."

That was when Jordan decided that the information she had was "solid enough to merit further investigation." And it was! I know the PCPD messes up often - and Jordan has especially been known for making rash judgments. However, in this case, she had enough motive and opportunity to bring Hayden in for questioning.

As for the actual arrest of Hayden on suspicion of pushing Liz down the stairs, Jordan and the uniformed cop caught Hayden about to leave town. Hayden's attempting to flee town legally can be taken as an admission of guilt on her part especially when Hayden responded to the notice of being arrested by saying: "Yeah. I knew this was coming." Shades of being guilty. I think so!!

As a clarifying point, while we did not see the bags Hayden had spoken of getting earlier, the dialogue indicated that those bags – evidence of planned travel - were there when the uniformed officer said: “Looks like you two were planning a trip. Guess your plans changed.”

So, summing up, Finn left a few facts out of his description to Curtis of Hayden’s arrest. While he knew about the witness, he downplayed the fight, omitting the slap and Hayden's verbal threat to Elizabeth.  As well, to give Curtis all the facts, he could and should have told Curtis that Hayden was caught about to flee the PCPD jurisdiction. So Curtis did not know the whole story that Valerie knew at the time of their conversation yesterday.

Now I'm not into defending the PCPD and especially Jordan who has had a tendency to rush to judgment; however, in this case, I do think she was on firmer ground about making an arrest - as Valerie is in defending the arrest.

So, while Curtis is right about keeping an open mind as an investigation is pursued, he also needs to be more thorough about objectively checking ALL the facts.  While the keen new cop Valerie may have an emotional investment in solving a case and proving her worth, BOTH Finn and Curtis have an emotional bias because of their friendship with Hayden. 

The PCPD is incompetent and has a long history of having corrupt/shady people on the payroll. The entire organization and its people should be looked at with suspicion until proven otherwise. Also, did anyone tell Hayden she had to stay in town during the investigation? If not, she was free to go wherever she wanted. Also also, the only thing the PCPD has to go on is what Liez - who hates Hayden - and that nurse told them. That would be enough to have Hayden brought in for questioning at best, not arrest them. 

Edited September 7, 2016 by LeftPhalange

[TeeVee329]

Yeah, it bums me out to say because I thought introducing a biracial Spencer via Pat was a smart idea, but Valerie is such a pointless drip.  And her being a Spencer doesn't even matter because she has no relationship with any of them.  Her last name could be anything, it wouldn't change the character's on-screen life a bit.  What a waste.

Edited September 7, 2016 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

They made her a Spencer so Dante could cheat on Lulu with her cousin. Since we didn't know Valerie at that point anyway, it didn't make much difference, IMO. 

[TeeVee329]

Sonny: Isn't it hilarious how I murdered your father slash Jason's brother and I'm still the beloved patriarch of Port Charles!

Carly: I know, what a riot!

This fuckin' show.

Edited September 7, 2016 by TeeVee329

[Cheyanne11]

15 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Sonny: Isn't it hilarious how I murdered your father slash Jason's brother and I'm still the beloved patriarch of Port Charles!

Carly: I know, what a riot!

This fuckin' show.

Who are these people?  Because they don't resemble the characters they have been portrayed on the show for years.

[LeftPhalange]

27 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

They made her a Spencer so Dante could cheat on Lulu with her cousin. Since we didn't know Valerie at that point anyway, it didn't make much difference, IMO. 

I don't even understand why she's still here.

[Aurora2]

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

Yeah, it bums me out to say because I thought introducing a biracial Spencer via Pat was a smart idea, but Valerie is such a pointless drip.  And her being a Spencer doesn't even matter because she has no relationship with any of them.  Her last name could be anything, it wouldn't change the character's on-screen life a bit.  What a waste.

Meh!  I still like her and I liked her scenes yesterday.  Good to see the theme finally played of the keen, young cop vs the experienced ex cop.  That's important for both her as a rookie and for Curtis's POV, too.

As well, in her key scene at the end, she did a really good job of highlighting that it's still hard for a woman in the uniformed professions like policing.

But you make one point with which I agree - not playing the Spencer family connection the way it should be played.

[Aurora2]

2 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

The PCPD is incompetent and has a long history of having corrupt/shady people on the payroll. The entire organization and its people should be looked at with suspicion until proven otherwise. Also, did anyone tell Hayden she had to stay in town during the investigation? If not, she was free to go wherever she wanted. Also also, the only thing the PCPD has to go on is what Liez - who hates Hayden - and that nurse told them. That would be enough to have Hayden brought in for questioning at best, not arrest them. 

I'm not generalizing about ALL PCPD activities - I'm just talking about this single cirumstance.

And, re leaving town - and with saying to Jordan:  ""Yeah. I knew this was coming" when Jordan approached her does, to me, suggest an implication of guilt. 

At this point - especially noting her plans to leave town - I still think that holding her for questioning was reasonable.  However, we can agree that actually arresting her for the crime went too far at this time.  But, up to this point, the handling of this case was better than some of the other policing decisions made. 

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Sonny: Isn't it hilarious how I murdered your father slash Jason's brother and I'm still the beloved patriarch of Port Charles!

Carly: I know, what a riot!

This fuckin' show.

Oh, look, it's LW, Mo, Chad, and Billy. 

[ulkis]

2 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Oh, look, it's LW, Mo, Chad, and Billy. 

Chad looks annoyed. 

[HeatLifer]

4 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Chad looks annoyed. 

He pretty much stood around the entire episode and just reacted with little dialogue. There were so many awkward moments during that wedding. I didn't even feel like I was watching GH or Jason/Sam/Carly/etc. I don't know what that was supposed to be. These writers don't know the characters at all and most of the actors don't even care anymore.

And that cake moment with the boys, who barely even smiled the entire time? What the hell?

/mini rant over.

[ulkis]

7 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

He pretty much stood around the entire episode and just reacted with little dialogue. There were so many awkward moments during that wedding. I didn't even feel like I was watching GH or Jason/Sam/Carly/etc. I don't know what that was supposed to be. These writers don't know the characters at all and most of the actors don't even care anymore.

And that cake moment with the boys, who barely even smiled the entire time? What the hell?

/mini rant over.

I thought it was mostly okay (if one has a high Spinelli tolerance) but the moment I thought was weird was when everyone started dancing* for two seconds and then immediately stopped.

*right over the spot where Dante was bleeding to death! I really wish Sonny had shot Dante in the foyer, cause when they have family events there all I can think is, "yup, right over all the bloodstains" and giggle. 

[HeatLifer]

9 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I thought it was mostly okay (if one has a high Spinelli tolerance) but the moment I thought was weird was when everyone started dancing* for two seconds and then immediately stopped.

*right over the spot where Dante was bleeding to death! I really wish Sonny had shot Dante in the foyer, cause when they have family events there all I can think is, "yup, right over all the bloodstains" and giggle. 

I just thought they were all out of character. I understand liking it on a Billy/Kelly level, though. I've never seen Kelly so comfortable and fun in a pairing.

[tricknasty]

Eating ribs in a white dress. How adventurous. When is Spinelli and his fucking orange soda leaving?

Edited September 7, 2016 by tricknasty

[HeatLifer]

LOL, Sam has to be supportive of Liz. I'm done. It is insane how they've gutted her character. 

[backhometome]

Lawd I knew this Liez shit would ruin the wedding. Sam is far too nice to the woman that tried to marry her husband last year. I hate how accommodating she has to be to the lying witch. Lord knows Liez wouldnt do the same at all. 

[TeeVee329]

Fuck off, Sonny, for getting all snitty about Ava being at Dunkin' Corinthos.  Kelly's apparently no longer exists, Sonny, where the hell else is a girl gonna get a cup of coffee?

As I was just saying in the spoiler thread, they need to move the Dillon/Kiki/Morgan triangle along.

[Harmony233]

I hate that kellys no longer exists.

[ulkis]

Is Morgan being on the wrong meds responsible for his atrocious facial hair? 

6 minutes ago, backhometome said:

Lawd I knew this Liez shit would ruin the wedding. Sam is far too nice to the woman that tried to marry her husband last year. I hate how accommodating she has to be to the lying witch. Lord knows Liez wouldnt do the same at all. 

At least this time she's not being assaulted by the man who is trying to guilt Jason for not paying enough attention to Liz?

Is this day 45 in a row Franco has been on?

[TeeVee329]

Previews...Robert!  Oh, but damn, that just means it's time for more of Lulu's baby rabies.  Ugh.

[rur]

Got tired of Sam and Spin saying the same thing over and over at the rib joint. (So happy to see you! So happy to see you! You're wonderful! No, you're wonderful!)

And, is it just me, or is what should be Liz's critical condition story becoming all about Franco? 

Edited September 7, 2016 by rur

[backhometome]

Everything is about Franco. Liez is just a prop Franco at this point. 

[TeeVee329]

3 minutes ago, rur said:

And, is it just me, or is what should be Liz's critical condition story becoming all about Franco? 

Oh, it was always about Franco.  And Rebecca Budig.  One day off from her and her swain and her mom, but all three are back tomorrow.  Ugh.

[lovelynn]

It drives me crazy that Griffin is in and out of surgery and updating Franco each time. There is no reason for Franco to be so in the loop about her condition. I know it's just to push the stupid sister story ahead but it is just ticking me off. Even when Liz is on death's door the story is all about Franco, the greasy haired man child serial killer who is eating the show.

Jason and Sam should be enjoying a honeymoon instead of having to deal with Franco/Liz. Please don't tell me this is how they are going to have Jason and/or Sonny do some investigating and solve the serial killer case the useless PCPD can't. I don't think I can take it if Spinelli is the one to do some hospital security footage hacking and discover that Paul is the big bad.

[LeftPhalange]

Of fucking course it's Sam's turn to comfort poor little victimized Liez. Get the fuck out of here with this shit. 

[HeatLifer]

2 minutes ago, LeftPhalange said:

Of fucking course it's Sam's turn to comfort poor little victimized Liez. Get the fuck out of here with this shit. 

The woman who slept with her husband and was going to marry him in front of her. Sam should hate Liz for fucking ever. I get that everyone is sick of the "wars" and that's fine, but sometimes characters hate each other! This is one of those instances. 

[TeeVee329]

5 minutes ago, lovelynn said:

It drives me crazy that Griffin is in and out of surgery and updating Franco each time. There is no reason for Franco to be so in the loop about her condition. I know it's just to push the stupid sister story ahead but it is just ticking me off.

Yes, THIS!  Franco's not family, he's not even really her boyfriend.  I know it's a soap thing and a "General Hospital" thing, but it's very annoying in this case.

[ulkis]

10 minutes ago, rur said:

Got tired of Sam and Spin saying the same thing over and over at the rib joint. (So happy to see you! So happy to see you! You're wonderful! No, you're wonderful!)

And, is it just me, or is what should be Liz's critical condition story becoming all about Franco? 

As @TeeVee329 said, it's been about him from the moment they connected in the art room. Franco is GH's green ham and eggs.

[magnolia11]

1 minute ago, ulkis said:

As @TeeVee329 said, it's been about him from the moment they connected in the art room. Franco is GH's green ham and eggs.

And its fetch as well. </gretchenweiners>  I cry uncle.  I'm starting a GoFundMe to pay Frank to make this shit stop.

[Sake614]

9 minutes ago, magnolia11 said:

I'm starting a GoFundMe to pay Frank to make this shit stop

 

I'm in! WHere do I send my donation?

Edited September 7, 2016 by Sake614

[P3pp3rb1rd]

I still think that Freako may have precipitated the whole spleen rupture development by putting all of his considerable weight and body mass on Elizabeth's hospital bed and then leaning over her. Her body position may have shifted enough to set off a chain reaction that caused the bruised spleen to fail.

[melody16]

Liz never told Franco to call Jason at any point and didn't even mention him until Monica brought him up. This is all Francos doing. And if Jason wants to be mad at people for not telling him, he should be mad at Michael and Monica.

But yes Sam should hate Elizabeth forever but it's not like Liz is begging Sam for accomodation or kindness or actively trying to interrupt jasams marriage. Elizabeth has been staying out of Jasam's way since Sam burned her house down unless I am forgetting something. 

Oh and I hate franco.

Edited September 7, 2016 by melody16
Franco sucks

[TeeVee329]

By the way, all the slobbering between Sonny/Carly/Jason/Sam made me sick.  Right back where we started froooommmmm!

[HeatLifer]

2 minutes ago, melody16 said:

But yes Sam should hate Elizabeth forever but it's not like Liz is begging Sam for accomodation or kindness or actively trying to interrupt jasams marriage.

For me, it's not about what Liz is currently doing. It's the fact that the writers will not allow Sam to hate Liz. And it takes away something from her character. She has no attitude, no spunk, no conflict. Everything is just zen in her world. 

[P3pp3rb1rd]

3 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

He pretty much stood around the entire episode and just reacted with little dialogue. There were so many awkward moments during that wedding. I didn't even feel like I was watching GH or Jason/Sam/Carly/etc. I don't know what that was supposed to be. These writers don't know the characters at all and most of the actors don't even care anymore.

And that cake moment with the boys, who barely even smiled the entire time? What the hell?

/mini rant over.

And a fine rant it is, because this wedding was one of the most awkward I have seen on a soap. Everyone standing there with goofy smiles staring at Sam before she walked down the aisle. An unprepared Spinelli not knowing about the vows. Kristina insisting that the bride change her choice of dress and put another one on. The short and awkward dancing. Carly's orgasmic laughing, so fake. Jason buttering up the mobster don while Sonny spouted "family family family" .

The most realistic part was a drunken Alexis reeling from glass to glass of champagne.