NFL Thread

[Carey]

It's the best decision.  Probably not the best time to announce it but the right call here.

[Crs97]

So many players end up with unscrupulous money managers and/or friends with “can’t fail” investment opportunities that *surprise, surprise * fail.  By the time they think to ask questions the money is long gone and they find out one of the documents they signed was a POA authorizing the person to act on his/her behalf.

For a little while the NFL hosted an annual rookies camp where they had speakers cover these types of topics.  They used to commandeer a hotel in my town, which was about 60 minutes from Canton.  It’s also a place that is so quiet they couldn’t find trouble.  What we heard was the NFL decided it was too expensive and the teams could do it themselves.  Missed opportunity.

[Lady Whistleup]

I hope Hamlin's family lets him know about the absolute outpouring of love and concern for him. Even my mom who barely follows football was asking about him. I imagine that being upbeat might help in his recovery.

[Danielg342]

34 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

I guess some of the guys don't have the same motivation in the NFL as they did in college, especially after hitting the football lottery!

In my first year of University, I remember knowing a woman who disliked one of her classes. She thought she could pull the trick you could do in high school- skip enough classes and they kick you out of the course automatically- but in university it doesn't work like that.

I remember thinking about how refreshing it was in university that I was treated like an adult for once and not babied like I was in high school. It was still an adjustment, but I managed successfully. Sounds like the transition from college to the pros is the same way, and with good reason. The stakes are too high at the pro level for the coaches to have patience with people who aren't yet mature enough to handle what it takes.

25 minutes ago, Black Knight said:

This CBS Sports article just posted lays out some scenarios they're kicking around to try to make it a bit fairer to the teams most negatively affected by the cancellation.

Out of the two options present, the neutral site AFC Championship Game might be the best option but I still feel like they're punishing the Bills and Bengals for something they didn't do. Plus, how would Option #1 work? Would the #1 seed play #7 in the first round?

I'm still a proponent- as I laid out before- of keeping all the scenarios that would have been in play with a result in Bills-Bengals in play and working your way from there. It would take some figuring out and may still not make everyone happy, but it would at least ensure that no one is hurt from abandoning a game they didn't want to abandon.

[Carey]

2 minutes ago, Danielg342 said:

Out of the two options present, the neutral site AFC Championship Game might be the best option but I still feel like they're punishing the Bills and Bengals for something they didn't do. Plus, how would Option #1 work? Would the #1 seed play #7 in the first round?

I'm still a proponent- as I laid out before- of keeping all the scenarios that would have been in play with a result in Bills-Bengals in play and working your way from there. It would take some figuring out and may still not make everyone happy, but it would at least ensure that no one is hurt from abandoning a game they didn't want to abandon.

I don't know if I'd call it punishing Buffalo & Cincinnati.  They didn't penalize them to the level of teams forfeiting a game.  If the Bills and Bengals said they were done, that was a decision made by the organizations, not the league.

Basically, Option one is the Top 2 seeds swapping but in the event of them meeting, the "new" 2 seed would host the one seed

I agree that they could've waited, but I understand & respect why they didn't.  As time passed, it made less sense to resume the game.

Sure a lot of teams are going to be unhappy.  All I can provide is...

A: Be happy for Damar

2: Should've won more earlier, and

D: Buffalo can still finish behind Cincy (SOV)

[Danielg342]

18 minutes ago, Carey said:

I don't know if I'd call it punishing Buffalo & Cincinnati.  They didn't penalize them to the level of teams forfeiting a game.  If the Bills and Bengals said they were done, that was a decision made by the organizations, not the league.

Basically, Option one is the Top 2 seeds swapping but in the event of them meeting, the "new" 2 seed would host the one seed

I agree that they could've waited, but I understand & respect why they didn't.  As time passed, it made less sense to resume the game.

Sure a lot of teams are going to be unhappy.  All I can provide is...

A: Be happy for Damar

2: Should've won more earlier, and

D: Buffalo can still finish behind Cincy (SOV)

On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 8:15PM EST, the Buffalo Bills had the opportunity to claim the No. 1 seed in the AFC. For them to lose the opportunity because they couldn't finish the game against the Bengals is penalizing them.

It's not a formal punishment, per se, but it will sure feel like it...and that is surely not fair.

Yes, the Bills should have won any (or all) of the three games they did lose earlier this season, but that's beside the point. Before the game against Cincinnati, the Bills still had the chance to make up for those losses.

To tell them they don't get that opportunity and that they should "suck it up" because they "should have won earlier" just isn't right. Buffalo didn't ask to abandon the game and their chances to earn No. 1 overall should not be hurt because of it.

[Chit Chat]

Does anybody think that maybe it's too risky for the players to squeeze this game into the schedule?  Maybe the NFL is worried about player safety.  If they did play it, would it mean they'd have to make a quick turnaround to play the next game?  I think it's too difficult to try to move other games around at this point.  I'm glad I don't have to figure it out!

[DrSpaceman73]

4 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I know the NBA has people who specifically work with rookies showing them the ropes and how to be responsible.  I doubt the NFL does that.

The nfl does this as well. But nba contracts guaranteed and longer careers. 

 

 

[merylinkid]

Other good things to come from this:

 

Damar Hamlin's Dad has asked that people donate to the hospital.   Obviously not to pay his bills but to help others.

The Saints and Pelicans owned by Gayle Benson are donated AEDs to area youth rec programs.   Because apparently that Commotion Heart thing is a major problem in youth baseball.   So they are making sure the programs have AEDs even if they won't have ambulances on standby and all the medical personnel the NFL has.

[Carey]

8 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

Does anybody think that maybe it's too risky for the players to squeeze this game into the schedule?  Maybe the NFL is worried about player safety.  If they did play it, would it mean they'd have to make a quick turnaround to play the next game?  I think it's too difficult to try to move other games around at this point.  I'm glad I don't have to figure it out!

Not just risky, but sorta unnecessary.  The league's worry about player safely might've been more toward their chances at showing up in court than the well-being of another human being doing something none of them have done before.

Danielg342: I was referring to the other teams in the league when it came to winning more, not necessarily the Bills & Bengals.  Most specifically, the Steelers and Ravens.  We'll never know if Buffalo could've escaped, but a loss may have put them in a spot where they'd probably have to travel back to Cincinnati, as the Bills would've been the 3rd seed, even if they'd beaten New England

[Carey]

After 2 decades, Cincinnati will repeat as AFC North Champions for the first time ever.  That's aided by their no-contest result where a loss keeps Baltimore alive for their quest for their 7th division title.

In the aftermath of that, if the Ravens beat the Bengals AND they occupy the 3rd and 6th seeds, the venue for their game will be decided by a coin flip

[DrSpaceman73]

While I agree with the college NIL I fear the money issues will be even worse now with college players. 

[Bastet]

1 hour ago, ChitChat said:

Maybe the NFL is worried about player safety.

And maybe my cat is actually a unicorn whose horn fell off.

[Danielg342]

2 hours ago, Carey said:

We'll never know if Buffalo could've escaped, but a loss may have put them in a spot where they'd probably have to travel back to Cincinnati, as the Bills would've been the 3rd seed, even if they'd beaten New England

Actually, the Bills would have had the chance (in this case) to be the No. 2 if the Chiefs lose to the Raiders. That would put Buffalo and Kansas City at 13-4 with Buffalo having the tiebreak.

In this case, Cincinnati would have had to have beaten Baltimore anyway to claim the top spot, because that would force a three-way tie at 13-4. The Bengals would have won the No. 1 because they would have beaten both the Bills and the Chiefs, the Bills would be No. 2 because they beat the Chiefs and the Chiefs would be the No. 3 because they lost to both teams.

[mojoween]

Ok what about this.  Take the upcoming Texans / Colts game.  Assign one team to Buffalo, and one to Cincinnati.  Whoever wins, the team assigned to them gets the win added to their total for 2022.  Whoever loses, their assigned team gets the loss.  Then they don’t need to move the AFC Championship Game.

[Carey]

1 hour ago, mojoween said:

Ok what about this.  Take the upcoming Texans / Colts game.  Assign one team to Buffalo, and one to Cincinnati.  Whoever wins, the team assigned to them gets the win added to their total for 2022.  Whoever loses, their assigned team gets the loss.  Then they don’t need to move the AFC Championship Game.

Nah.  I'd rather go with the teams in question but with a different plan.  Assuming both teams win, whoever wins by more gets that win added to their total.  For instance, if Buffalo beats New England by 14 but Cincinnati wins by 10, then the Bills get the extra win.  If the Bills win by 14 but the Bengals win by 17, then Cincy gets the extra win

[merylinkid]

I like @Careyidea.   It puts control in the hands of the teams affected.   it gives them incentive to win.   It just like they had in the game.   

Which means it will never happen.   

The owners vote today at noon because it is a major change from the policy manual for this season.   Which if they don't approve any of the changes, then what?   They have to resume a game the NFL already said would not be resumed?

I hate the neutral site idea because teams work hard all season to get that home fiield in the playoffs.   Yes this was beyond anyone's control but you shouldn't have to lose all that hard work either.    One neutral site being floated is the Lucas Oil.   It's not like the Colts are going to be using it.

[mojoween]

Ugh a dome when the game could be played outside in January in Buffalo, Kansas City or Cincinnati.

[mojoween]

Buffalo reported that Damar’s breathing tube was removed overnight.  Can’t think of much better news than that.

[merylinkid]

He's already facetimed the team too.   He is TALKING.   

 

 

 

I kinda feel sorry for the Patriots this weekend.

[bluegirl147]

4 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

I kinda feel sorry for the Patriots this weekend.

I don't.  The Steelers need for them to lose if we want to get in the playoffs. We also need Miami to lose.  Of course the Steelers also need to win against the Browns.

15 minutes ago, mojoween said:

Buffalo reported that Damar’s breathing tube was removed overnight.  Can’t think of much better news than that.

It's been all good news so far. Really hope this guy makes a full recovery. Although I don't know if he will be able to ever play contact sports again.

[Carey]

13 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

20 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

I kinda feel sorry for the Patriots this weekend.

I don't.  The Steelers need for them to lose if we want to get in the playoffs. We also need Miami to lose.  Of course the Steelers also need to win against the Browns.

Bluegirl, you're a Steelers fan.  You could've stopped at "I don't" when it came to discussions on feeling sorry for the Patriots or not LOL!

15 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

31 minutes ago, mojoween said:

Buffalo reported that Damar’s breathing tube was removed overnight.  Can’t think of much better news than that.

It's been all good news so far. Really hope this guy makes a full recovery. Although I don't know if he will be able to ever play contact sports again.

I think all Damar needs to do is be on a roster, or even spend one second in Mini Camp or training camp.  That would be enough to win CPOY.

Short of playing a snap or whatever, it's over for him.  A decision he wouldn't make but respect, while the Bills & the NFL would have to prevent him from playing again.  I think it would be nice if he got to play a snap, series or whatever Alex Smith did.  Similar to Charles Barkley's reasoning, I imagine Hamlin would not want his final on-field appearance to be getting shipped off on a gurney.  Of course, there's no comparison between the injuries to Sir Charles and Damar.

At the end of the day, there are several that are ruined forever, and some die from the sport.  Damar Hamlin living his life is what counts.  Without life, there's no football anyway.

[bluegirl147]

1 minute ago, Carey said:

Damar Hamlin living his life is what counts.  Without life, there's no football anyway.

I was talking to a friend about if Hamlin would even mentally be able to play.  He went through an incredibly traumatic event.  A lot of times the sheer magnitude of what happened to someone doesn't really register with the person till after they have come through it and had time to absorb it.  I like your idea of letting him play a down.

[Black Knight]

14 hours ago, Danielg342 said:

On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 8:15PM EST, the Buffalo Bills had the opportunity to claim the No. 1 seed in the AFC. For them to lose the opportunity because they couldn't finish the game against the Bengals is penalizing them.

It's not a formal punishment, per se, but it will sure feel like it...and that is surely not fair.

I don't really know if the Bills see it that way. I looked at some of the online Bills forums after that game to see what they were saying during the game itself. Fans were unanimous that the players shouldn't have to resume and that the team should just forfeit the remainder of the game if the NFL tried to make them play. Nobody cared about what it would mean for the standings or the playoffs. Of course, obviously emotions were especially high then, but now there's the good news about Hamlin, which is the most important thing. Teams aren't doomed in the playoffs if they don't get the #1 seed or home field advantage.

If the Bills don't do well in the playoffs, it's going to be far more because their heads got fucked with by watching their teammate almost die than because they didn't get the #1 seed, and there's nothing anyone can do to change that the Bills went through that traumatic experience.

The Bengals are fighting the NFL's thought of a coin flip vs. going by winning percentage for the site of the wild card game. They could make it moot by beating Baltimore this weekend, and ordinarily I'd favor them to win. But, like the Bills, they're traumatized by watching someone almost die feet from them, and again, there's just nothing anyone can do to change that.

[merylinkid]

Hamlin named NFLPA Community Player of the Week for week 18.   This is given to a player who makes an impact in his community each week.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/06/damar-hamlin-named-nflpa-community-mvp-for-week-18/

 

I do believe its the first time it has been given to a player who was unconscious most of the week.   But the money raised for his charity will do A LOT OF GOOD.

[emma675]

I would love to see a video of the team when they FaceTimed with Damar. I can't imagine the emotions running through the room. What a fantastic few days. I hope his family can finally catch their breath and rest now.

[Jane Tuesday]

If it was commotio cordis, I wouldn't think he's necessarily precluded from playing again unless the ongoing cardiac event has damaged his heart in some way.  It's a fluke of timing, and has nothing to do with the person's cardiac health.  Chris Pronger was playing hockey again four days later (although it should be noted he woke up on his own almost immediately and didn't spend days on a ventilator, etc.)

Whether Damar ever wants to play again is something else, but the mind is a funny thing.  It protects us from remembering things that might overwhelm us with fear.  I was in a horrible car accident in my 20s, and I've never been able to remember the crash, or even the events leading up to it.  If I had remembered, I probably would have had trouble getting behind a wheel again.

[emma675]

4 minutes ago, Jane Tuesday said:

If it was commotio cordis, I wouldn't think he's necessarily precluded from playing again unless the ongoing cardiac event has damaged his heart in some way.  It's a fluke of timing, and has nothing to do with the person's cardiac health.  Chris Pronger was playing hockey again four days later (although it should be noted he woke up on his own almost immediately and didn't spend days on a ventilator, etc.)

Whether Damar ever wants to play again is something else, but the mind is a funny thing.  It protects us from remembering things that might overwhelm us with fear.  I was in a horrible car accident in my 20s, and I've never been able to remember the crash, or even the events leading up to it.  If I had remembered, I probably would have had trouble getting behind a wheel again.

That was my question (maybe one of our medical professional posters can weigh in). If it was a fluke event, he has no lasting cardiac or respiratory damage, and wants to play again, could he? I realize we're getting way ahead of ourselves at this point, but I have wondered if it's possible to play again after a commotio cordis event.

[Fukui San]

Not sure if this directly applies, but Tedy Bruschi played again after recovering from a stroke. Just as a data point. 

[Carey]

That is a fair point.  Yes it's 2 different cases, but it is fair.  It would've been less likely if Tedy's situation occurred 17 years later or even 10 years.  I'm talking about his return from his stroke which wasn't on the field in 2005.

It just depends on the person though not completely up to that individual.  Bruschi age was 8 years higher than Damar, who is in his second season.  Whatever happens, I'm not betting one way or another.  Way too soon to tell; I'm just paying attention the how the news is more positive as we move forward.

[meowmommy]

23 minutes ago, Jane Tuesday said:

If it was commotio cordis, I wouldn't think he's necessarily precluded from playing again unless the ongoing cardiac event has damaged his heart in some way.

Do the team or league physicians have the authority to deny a player the right to play?

39 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

I do believe its the first time it has been given to a player who was unconscious most of the week.   But the money raised for his charity will do A LOT OF GOOD.

Given that the amount was light years beyond what was requested, I hope that they spread the wealth around a little bit to other deserving causes.  Like cardiac research and funding for community emergency resources like AEDs.

[bluegirl147]

7 minutes ago, meowmommy said:

Do the team or league physicians have the authority to deny a player the right to play?

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't players have to be insurable.  So if Hamlin now has an irregular  heartbeat or something like that could he be insured?  

Isn't it doctors who clear players from concussion protocol?

[Jane Tuesday]

Yeah, I'm not sure how you would even buy that many toys!  ❤️

His family is encouraging donations also go to the University of Cincinnati Trauma Center, as well as first responders everywhere.

[Grrarrggh]

If Hamlin had been shot dead, even by police, he'd only get 1/100th of this attention. American's priorities are so f*cked up.

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, emma675 said:

I realize we're getting way ahead of ourselves at this point, but I have wondered if it's possible to play again after a commotio cordis event.

I saw the news conference with 2 of the doctors who are treating Damar, and they said that they still have more tests to run to determine what happened.  They were asked if he could play again, but they said that's a conversation for another day.  It's just too early to have those discussions (per the doctors).  If it were me, I'd never play another contact sport again!  The doctors will advise him what they feel is best, but it's ultimately going to be his decision.  As others have said, if he can play, will the league allow it?

One thing that was brought up at the news conference was that there were several doctors (I believe from the hospital) on the field.  One is an airway specialist.  He said that Damar was intubated while in the ambulance.  They also said that the "high quality" CPR given to him on the field helped save him.   The doctors/staff on the field recognized the severity of the situation and started their protocols immediately.  They said he had a pulse to start with, but then it was gone.  I always assumed that there were several team doctors on any given field, but IIRC, there were several specialists from the hospital there. 

At least in a violent sport like football, they've got the help they need standing by.  The doctors said that this case should be the protocol for situations of cardiac arrest, and they stressed quality CPR and an AED.   

20 minutes ago, Grrarrggh said:

If Hamlin had been shot dead, even by police, he'd only get 1/100th of this attention. American's priorities are so f*cked up.

Maybe the attention given to this will inspire people to go take a CPR class.  You could be at a restaurant and see someone in distress.  Knowing CPR and how to use an AED is something everyone should know.  I have to take a CPR class every 2 years for my job.  I haven't had to use it, but am hopeful that if presented with that situation, I could at least help someone.  The Red Cross has an excellent CPR/AED/First Aid course.  

[mojoween]

HOF noms are out.  If I were a voter, I would put five, mayyyybe six, of these men in on the first ballot. 

 

[bluegirl147]

5 minutes ago, mojoween said:

HOF noms are out.  If I were a voter, I would put five, mayyyybe six, of these men in on the first ballot. 

You know you are getting old when you realize you saw these player's entire careers.  I swear it feels just like yesterday that the HOF candidates were players I had only heard about. 

 

[meowmommy]

21 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

You know you are getting old when you realize you saw these player's entire careers. 

I saw *Terry Bradshaw's* entire career.

[Court]

1 hour ago, mojoween said:

HOF noms are out.  If I were a voter, I would put five, mayyyybe six, of these men in on the first ballot. 

 

Curious which 5 you would choose! Ware is my all time favorite player ever but I have zero idea if he would deserve to be in. 

[mojoween]

4 minutes ago, Court said:

Curious which 5 you would choose! Ware is my all time favorite player ever but I have zero idea if he would deserve to be in. 

Revis, Thomas, Freeney, Allen, Woodson are my five and Ware is my mayyyybe six.

[Grrarrggh]

1 hour ago, ChitChat said:

 Maybe the attention given to this will inspire people to go take a CPR class.  You could be at a restaurant and see someone in distress.  Knowing CPR and how to use an AED is something everyone should know.  

Oh I'm not saying it's not nice that something good will come from this. Just that too many people have a very skewed sense of the important. It reminds me a slight bit of when a cat/dog is killed and people are up in arms for weeks, but a child is killed and it's like nothing happened. 

[Notabug]

7 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I was talking to a friend about if Hamlin would even mentally be able to play.  He went through an incredibly traumatic event.  A lot of times the sheer magnitude of what happened to someone doesn't really register with the person till after they have come through it and had time to absorb it.  I like your idea of letting him play a down.

There is a high rate of PTSD and depression in those who suffer life threatening illnesses.  Add in the fact that Damar is probably going to have to adjust to life without football; he is going to need a lot of psychologic support in the aftermath of this life changing event.  Even if he recovers completely physically, he will never be the same.

I do like the idea of the Bills putting him on the roster and letting him play a down if it it feasible and he wants to do it

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Do the team or league physicians have the authority to deny a player the right to play?

Sure, every draftee and roster player undergoes a complete physical annually and the doctors can order additional testing for players who may be at high risk for certain problems.  If the player don't pass, he don't play.  I presume it's in the NFLPA agreement.

As far as Damar, presuming the final diagnosis is commotio cordis, it is hard to say, mainly because it is so rare, affecting only a few hundred people a year; most of them teens playing non-pro sports.  Returning as a professional football player is just not something that anyone has done before.  Teens who recover from commotio and have no signs of permanent cardiac problems etc, can usually resume all sports; but playing at NFL level is a whole 'nother ballgame.

As he recovers, I imagine Damar's heart is going to be evaluted in-depth with imaging studies as well as continuous heart monitoring to be sure he doesn't have some sort of occasional arrhythmia.  It is probably going to be months before the doctors will be comfortable predicting whether playing pro football is something he could do.

Edited January 6, 2023 by Notabug

[Chit Chat]

3 hours ago, Grrarrggh said:

Just that too many people have a very skewed sense of the important.

I disagree.  This event happened on national TV, thus the outpouring of concern. It was a shock to everybody.  I'm sure I can speak for all of us in saying that we sat there in disbelief, shock, and fear for this young man's life.  It didn't matter who he was.  People simply cared about another human being.  

Things happen all of the time that we don't see.  We read about it in the news, and of course we care, but this was one of those moments that for those of us who were watching it live, we're following his progress because it's as if we were there too and want to know how he's doing.   

3 hours ago, Grrarrggh said:

and people are up in arms for weeks, but a child is killed and it's like nothing happened. 

I don't find that to be true either.  Of course, people are upset when kids get killed.  Just because you don't see our sadness or anger over such things doesn't mean we turned a blind eye to that family's suffering.  It's times like that when people donate money to GoFundMe accounts, or whatever the victim's family needs. People step up and help as best they can.  

[Irlandesa]

6 hours ago, meowmommy said:

Do the team or league physicians have the authority to deny a player the right to play?

Yes they do have the right.  But team doctors are more likely to be science-based/evidence-based in their recommendations.

But just because he's cleared by a doctor doesn't mean teams have to hire him/play him. I'd guess they're going to make their decisions with a bit more emotion.

Edited January 7, 2023 by Irlandesa

[Danielg342]

This is not mine. Found it in the Bills Mafia Facebook group. Obviously, this was created by a Bengals fan. Hope this clears everything up with regards to the scheduling scenarios.

[meowmommy]

35 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

But just because he's cleared by a doctor doesn't mean teams have to hire him/play him. I'd guess they're going to make their decisions with a bit more emotion.

And even if someone hires him, who's going to want to engage in contact with him?  They'd all be terrified of being the one who sets him off again, even if that is medically astronomical odds.

Maybe if the Bills are winning at the end of a game, they can let him take the snap in the victory formation.  Even if that means leaving someone off the active roster for that game.

4 hours ago, Grrarrggh said:

but a child is killed and it's like nothing happened. 

If that child is killed while playing a major sport on national television, then something would happen.  But it's not a zero sum game.  You can care about both.

[Danielg342]

39 minutes ago, meowmommy said:

Maybe if the Bills are winning at the end of a game, they can let him take the snap in the victory formation.  Even if that means leaving someone off the active roster for that game.

Buffalo was Washington's first opponent since Sean Taylor died. If I remember correctly, the 'Skins and the Bills made a deal where on Buffalo's first play on offence, the 'Skins would line up with ten men (symbolism for Taylor's absence) and the Bills would take a knee.

Perhaps a similar agreement could be made for Damar Hamlin. In, say, Buffalo's first game in 2023, he could play the first snap on defence in his regular position, with the running back running towards him and sliding in his direction so all Hamlin has to do to "make the tackle" is touch him when he's down. Then Hamlin can say he returned to play and left the game on a high note.

[Fukui San]

29 minutes ago, Danielg342 said:

Buffalo was Washington's first opponent since Sean Taylor died. If I remember correctly, the 'Skins and the Bills made a deal where on Buffalo's first play on offence, the 'Skins would line up with ten men (symbolism for Taylor's absence) and the Bills would take a knee.

Someone put this play on YouTube. Washington lined up with 10 men on the first play as tribute to Sean Taylor, and Buffalo ran to the left for 30, 40 yards. I don't think Washington let Buffalo in on the tribute.

[Carey]

9 hours ago, mojoween said:

HOF noms are out.  If I were a voter, I would put five, mayyyybe six, of these men in on the first ballot. 

Today (really the recent week or weeks) got off the rails to where I never got around to posting this.  They were delayed out of respect to Hamlin (the announcement, not my posting of the news).

Right this second, I think Revis and Joe Thomas are in.  I think whoever misses had a night shot in 2024 before Eli is eligible.

Gotta pick the games for Saturday (since the NFL chose to put Saturday games in January BEFORE playoff action.  Raiders & Titans.  There you go

 

[mojoween]

Our DVR has gone kaput so I had to watch shows I had been saving before we take it back (starting with Lawrence Taylor’s “A Football Life” that I had recorded in September 2018, heh.  I’m a TV show hoarder).

Speaking of LT, I finally watched “All Madden” from 2021.  The special started with Taylor and ended with Taylor; therefore, that proves that he is the greatest player of all time.

Also 95% of the things LT did on the field are currently banned.