S07.E15: Don't Be All, Like, Uncool

[KungFuBunny]

hi kfb!!         ita with you.....i'm usually going  omg i can't believe she just said or did such & such

 

also i still like dorinda even if she is a sloppy drunk...she had me going 'what the heck''

 

Hi jaybird2!

 

I just cant believe the other HW's still give her a pass. By the time a reunion comes along all is forgiven.

 

As for Dorinda - or ANY of the other HWs - their antics amuse me. Hopefully with her first season behind her, Dorinda will learn to cut back on the liquor when they are filming - but even if she ends up a hot mess like Sonja - I say bring it

[comatoast]

OMG I was just telling someone, I know the majority of people cant stand Ramona - but she cracks me the hell up.

She thinks she is the greatest thing since sliced bread - I don't think she is but I do think she makes great Reality TV

I've always enjoyed Ramona, too, though I'm sure if I knew her in real life I'd be telling her to fuck off all the time. Ramona's grubby little finger prints are all over a good chunk of what we snark about. And not only does her derriay look awesome for her chronicle age, but she is the gift that keeps on giving and stirring.

[jaybird2]

bunny, i can't figure out how to reply to your post

 

they are all 'pot meet kettle' .

 

yalk to you later

[KungFuBunny]

I've always enjoyed Ramona, too, though I'm sure if I knew her in real life I'd be telling her to fuck off all the time. Ramona's grubby little finger prints are all over a good chunk of what we snark about. And not only does her derriay look awesome for her chronicle age, but she is the gift that keeps on giving and stirring.

 

Every season she is on...she talks about being renewed...and how calm she is...and how much reflecting she has done.

 

Take her in T&C, then interrupting the Bethenny Sonya conversation, coming out and saying how upset she is, I can't I can't...and then jumping around and twitching at the bug in her crotch - i was laughing so hard.

 

If you think about the last morning in T&C...Ramona did not throw Luanne under the bus. All she kept saying to Heather was go talk to Luanne. She never said it was Luanne's dude...she just said go talk to Luanne. Look at the shit storm that ensued - LOL

[Freckledbruh]

It still is not slut-shaming, in my opinion. I didn't take it as something to be taken literally, either, as I don't believe Carol herself thinks Luann would do ANYONE, including under aged boys.  However, Luann has shown herself to not be very picky about her penises and that is how I took Carol’s statement. It wasn't just a ONS, it was two in four days, with men she had just met, and she didn't care that one was married. This doesn't include whatever Carol has seen through the years off-camera. Luann does love her men, after all.

If Luann feels slut-shamed by anything this episode and on WWHL, then she is projecting, in my opinion.

Saying someone would have sex with "anyone" just because she has had a couple of ONSs is slut shaming to me. You don't know her criteria so you have no idea how picky she is. I haven't seen her bed homeless dudes on the street but maybe you know different.

[MollyBrown]

I just read Dorinda's blog. I think she is still drunk from the fuck dinner.

[comatoast]

Your call for LuAnn to mount her Ho-bag flag on the pole of her choosing would make a great cartoon.  

 

Too bad it would have to be classified as porn.

With the game that woman has, it could totally be a how-to reference guide type of cartoon. The Joy of Sex Countess style. And even though my lady bits aren't outgoing enough to handle the amount of socializing the Countess does, I would watch and take detailed notes, because there would be A LOT to learn.

 

Take her in T&C, then interrupting the Bethenny Sonya conversation, coming out and saying how upset she is, I can't I can't...and then jumping around and twitching at the bug in her crotch - i was laughing so hard.

Oh, the bug in her crotch was classic! Interesting also, because I always thought she had a bug up her ass!

[snarts]

Who's right, wrong, exaggerating, dramatic, slutty, prudish aside,  after the episode, I still love LuAnn but now like Heather less.   

 

Now admittedly, I'm a live and let live kinda gal.  Those who tend to get all moralistic can lose me.  Heather's too busy getting up in everyone's business this year. 

 

Good for Ramona for getting some, but she should've owned up to her role in the dramatics.  

[comatoast]

Saying someone would have sex with "anyone" just because she has had a couple of ONSs is slut shaming to me. You don't know her criteria so you have no idea how picky she is. I haven't seen her bed homeless dudes on the street but maybe you know different.

I just don't assume I know how Carol feels about sleeping with anyone just because she said Luann sleeps with anyone. Had she said, Luann will sleep with anyone and should be ashamed or that is just wrong, filthy, nasty, trashy, etc., then yes, that would be slut-shamming to me. Perhaps I missed something, but I don't remember her saying that.

As far as my own opinion, I'll never change my mind that if she knew he was married beforehand, then she should be ashamed. Otherwise, fuck anyone you want, Countess, just stop acting like it is a big deal if people find out. 

[Freckledbruh]

I just don't assume I know how Carol feels about sleeping with anyone just because she said Luann sleeps with anyone. Had she said, Luann will sleep with anyone and should be ashamed or that is just wrong, filthy, nasty, trashy, etc., then yes, that would be slut-shamming to me. Perhaps I missed something, but I don't remember her saying that.

As far as my own opinion, I'll never change my mind that if she knew he was married beforehand, then she should be ashamed. Otherwise, fuck anyone you want, Countess, just stop acting like it is a big deal if people find out.

Well if Carol really did say Luann would sleep with anyone (I didn't watch WWHL), then that is actually the epitome of slut shaming. Why? It implies that Luann couldn't possibly be raped or receive unwanted sexual advances or harassment because she is always game. Her having sex with a few men that she chooses to enjoy doesn't mean she will do anybody, and in my opinion, saying that is "shaming". I put shaming in quotes because I generally hate the term. I prefer putting it bluntly - sexist, dangerous rhetoric used to police women's bodies.

[Grneyedldy]

<snip>

Every time I see your User Name, I read it as Freckled Bush. Then I giggle. Yeah I'm fifteen. Lol

[Freckledbruh]

Every time I see your User Name, I read it as Freckled Bush. Then I giggle. Yeah I'm fifteen. Lol

My iPad always wants to replace it with "Freckled Run".

Back on topic: Luann should seriously think about putting out a sunglasses line because she was looking "cool".

[KungFuBunny]

Oh, the bug in her crotch was classic! Interesting also, because I always thought she had a bug up her ass!

 

The bug that ended up stuck to the crotch area of The Noodles macrame dress...had crawled out of her ass earlier....Im not sure if it was making a break for it or if it was trying to crawl back in

[IKnowRight]

I just don't assume I know how Carol feels about sleeping with anyone just because she said Luann sleeps with anyone. Had she said, Luann will sleep with anyone and should be ashamed or that is just wrong, filthy, nasty, trashy, etc., then yes, that would be slut-shamming to me. Perhaps I missed something, but I don't remember her saying that.

As far as my own opinion, I'll never change my mind that if she knew he was married beforehand, then she should be ashamed. Otherwise, fuck anyone you want, Countess, just stop acting like it is a big deal if people find out.

I agree, I saw it the same way, in a way. Never assume someone's implying something, IMO, unless you know them like the back of your hand. I truly think Heather & Carole's angst was over the safety issue, not how many men the Countess has bed under their common vacation roof.

I see both sides here. They are all grown women. The difference between what LuAnn, Ramona or Sonja (the usual topic of this conversation! :) ) do with other men, it's truly irrelevant, what's relevant is when you are sharing space and one party compromised the safety of the other party. If LuAnn, Sonja or Ramona invited guests to a separate unit, thus would not be germaine to this conversation. That's not shaming, that's confronting another that their choices have consequences for all parties, not just the people who invited the male guests to their place.

[IKnowRight]

I am so glad you picked up on this nuance. I thought it when I saw the episode and thought, No, she didn't say it was Luann's dude, she said talk to Luann. These ladies should know that when Ramona passes the buck, it means she did something. Haha

 

 

 

 

It does not mean she would not be believed if she were raped at all. I think using the word slut shaming, not calling you out, it has been slung around since this thread started, brings the conversation to an extreme context and hinders it. I hate when the conversation devolves into Well if you say this, you must mean this. Which is exactly how the conversation over Fuck happened. Ramona, in my opinion, was being cutesy when she said she was picking up curse words from Heather. Heather defended her use of the word, then Luann had to go all extreme Well if you say this you must think this, and it was a lost cause after that. And that is how I feel now, when the stupid phrase, slut shaming, comes out of its hole. The Luann sleeps with anyone comment, needs to be taken in the context where it was said. It was a flippant, humorous remark. Carole didn't say Luann sleeps with anyone so she better not ever cry rape. 

 

I don't even think anyone has called Luann a slut. Some just think she likes to get scratched regularly, and doesn't have a problem with it being whatever dude is handy if he strikes her fancy. Others are bringing in the slut word. No one on the show has said she is a slut. And a funny thought to me, I thought that Luann would have been banging those two dudes on the boat when the ladies were walking down the pier [previous episode], if she had not had those pesky ladies with her to hinder her. Fly your freak flag Luann! Own it on camera. 

 

eta Not calling out the poster I quoted, I am just beyond reading the words slut shaming. Good grief. It's like "the purple cloth", a little Young and Restless reference for those who watch that show. 

 

eta another thing Luann can loose me with being a language police. Her phrase should also be Be fucking, don't be all, just saying fuck.

YUP. YES. THIS.

And that Ramona? She's no dummy. She chose her words carefully. That's why I love to hate the RamonaCoaster!

[KungFuBunny]

Every time I see your User Name, I read it as Freckled Bush. Then I giggle. Yeah I'm fifteen. Lol

 

Are you in pigtails? SOL

[Freckledbruh]

"Carole didn't say Luann sleeps with anyone so she better not ever cry rape. " - She doesn't have to say it explicitly because it is a dog whistle. If she didn't say "anyone that she chooses" then what she is saying is that Luann is game for anyone which definitely could invite unwanted advances or dangerous situations. Heather can yell, accuse and cry over something that "could" happen but Carole gets a pass for putting Luann in an even worse position? She could have said Luann is sexually free and leave it at that. Saying she will sleep with anyone is some dangerous, sexist stuff.

[AnnA]

If you think about the last morning in T&C...Ramona did not throw Luanne under the bus. All she kept saying to Heather was go talk to Luanne. She never said it was Luanne's dude...she just said go talk to Luanne. Look at the shit storm that ensued - LOL

 

 

I am so glad you picked up on this nuance. I thought it when I saw the episode and thought, No, she didn't say it was Luann's dude, she said talk to Luann. These ladies should know that when Ramona passes the buck, it means she did something. Haha

 

No, she didn't say it was LuAnn's dude but when asked about naked man, she did say "I didn't do anything."    

 

That seems to imply that someone else did.

 

Edited July 18, 2015 by AnnA

[KungFuBunny]

My thoughts on Luanne

 

Girl Code was not about anything in T&C.

It was an opportunity for Luanne to make a few bucks.

The only reason they tied it to the T&C trip was so that it would make sense and be "current"

 

If anything, I think the song is more about what went down with the Pirate in St Barth's.

When Luanne was with Jacques - as it appeared on the show they were in a serious monogomous relationship.

For all we know off camera, they might have had an open relationship.

Once the pirate story aired, her relationship with Jacques didn't survive much longer,

Even though it was the Bravo cameras that showed her making a quick call to her friend to back her up on the pirate story, she has never forgiven Carole or Heather for discussing the incident on camera and in their individual talking head shots.

Though Luanne was not married to Jacques, the fact that she seemed to be in a serious relationship, she came out looking like the "cheat"

It did not help when it was revealed that Sonja baked some Pirate sausage in her back door toaster oven.

Doesn't matter that Luanne went first...for me...that was kind of gross.

 

I think the song also refers too all of the times they have all gone out off season. Luanne does not want her real persona antics revealed as it clashes with her TV Countess Luanne persona.

 

She's a hypocrite, but I still find her amusing

 

 

 

 

[Freckledbruh]

This made me want to call Andy and have him set up a Luann and Jax (Vanderpump Rules) show.

I've never watched that show so I don't get the reference.

[ButterQueen]

I'm with Carole & Heather on this one. Hey, the ladies can bang whoever they want, but not bring them back to the house, where other women are sleeping in unlocked rooms, and let them stay over. Heather was naked when she got out of bed. Huge breech of trust.

If I was Carole and Heather, this event would keep me from returning to the show unless boundaries are established.

I am so sick of Ramona.

That last morning was cut short -- guess Bethenny was waiting back in NY.

[Aunt Kiki]

I agree, I saw it the same way, in a way. Never assume someone's implying something, IMO, unless you know them like the back of your hand. I truly think Heather & Carole's angst was over the safety issue, not how many men the Countess has bed under their common vacation roof.

I see both sides here. They are all grown women. The difference between what LuAnn, Ramona or Sonja (the usual topic of this conversation! :) ) do with other men, it's truly irrelevant, what's relevant is when you are sharing space and one party compromised the safety of the other party. If LuAnn, Sonja or Ramona invited guests to a separate unit, thus would not be germaine to this conversation. That's not shaming, that's confronting another that their choices have consequences for all parties, not just the people who invited the male guests to their place.

I agree with all you posted.  IMO and to echo other's sentiments, if the guy was sprawled in a common area, or at least in the area of the person that brought them home, that's one thing.  Ramona has the "don't shit where you eat" down to a science.  Take no responsibility to get the guy out of the house after you have buyer's remorse about boinking him.  Classic who did it and ran.   Instead the guy is either taken or stumbles into Bethenny's bedroom unbeknownst to Carole and Heather.

 

I wonder if it was a foregone conclusion that LuAnn at the very least was almost expected to pick up someone to hook up with.  If I were one of  the other HWs, I would have anticipated it and planned accordingly. 

[DeeplyShallow]

Moving away from the naked man discussion- has anyone discussed Heather's comment about Kristen being a stereotypical "blonde"? It was during the denim and diamonds thing. I thought it was rather obnoxious and she wasn't saying it in a joking way. It also shows, to me anyway, that Heather really isn't a friend of Kristen's. Heather would never say anything like that about Carole.

Edited July 18, 2015 by DeeplyShallow

[Aunt Kiki]

I wonder if Dorinda is all sensitive about Hannah because even she is getting skeptical about the four years of grieving that required leave from school. Her kid is basically a trustafarian at this point. I'd be ashamed if she were my kid.

Hope her real dad has big bucks because her stepsiblings seemed to get everything but the Berkshires house.  Dorinda seems to be in denial about everything and does nothing about it.  John's no prize, but he is a saint to put up with the way the daughter treats him and the way Dorinda goes after him if she doesn't like what he's saying or doing. 

[WireWrap]

Moving away from the naked man discussion- has anyone discussed Heather's comment about Kristen being a stereotypical "blonde"? It was during the denim and diamonds thing. I thought it was rather obnoxious and she wasn't saying it in a joking way. It also shows, to me anyway, that Heather really isn't a friend of Kristen's. Heather would never say anything like that about Carole.

Um they have shown Heather and Kristen joking and Kristen jokes about Heather's bossy side several times! It was said as a joke IMO.

[DeeplyShallow]

Um they have shown Heather and Kristen joking and Kristen jokes about Heather's bossy side several times! It was said as a joke IMO.

I, personally, didn't think so. And I think Kristen's "jokes" about Heather's bossiness have a ring of truth to them. After they got into it last year about that particular topic, I get the feeling that Kristen doesn't want to be on Heather's bad side and think she's being passive aggressive when she "jokes" about Heather. Again, my opinion. And I don't know if I'm misreading your comment, as can often happen in forums or over texts, but I found the "um" unnecessary and off putting. Hope I am wrong and misinterpreted the intention.

[AnnaMayWong]

Ah, stewedsqash, I was nodding in agreement while reading your comments until (lol)your mention of liking Dorinda(ha!ha!). I find Dorinda to be insufferable and duplicitous.

[WireWrap]

I, personally, didn't think so. And I think Kristen's "jokes" about Heather's bossiness have a ring of truth to them. After they got into it last year about that particular topic, I get the feeling that Kristen doesn't want to be on Heather's bad side and think she's being passive aggressive when she "jokes" about Heather. Again, my opinion. And I don't know if I'm misreading your comment, as can often happen in forums or over texts, but I found the "um" unnecessary and off putting. Hope I am wrong and misinterpreted the intention.

Umm -  is me scratching my head. LOL

[NewDigs]

Finally saw this. Good grief!

How old are these women? I think middle-schoolers could have handled what went down at that beadazzlng party better than these people! Luann's self-righteousness (misguided, imho) was a sight to behold. And Ramona really is a horrible person. Her expression through this all looked, to me, to be nothing more than a self-congratulatory smirk, like she was proud of her "Ask LuAnn" misdirection. How old.....?

Does Bethy ever stop posing? I think she practices in front of a mirror. And while I think it's a big ol' cop-out when she exits situations early I can't say I'm sorry to see her go. Ugh. Her shoes could have their own show. Wonder what her feet will look like in a few. Or how her calves and whatever variety of tendons are involved will respond in a few.

Not crazy about the "blonde" comment. Seemed, to me, to be more of an aside than a joke.

[FozzyBear]

I agree with all you posted. IMO and to echo other's sentiments, if the guy was sprawled in a common area, or at least in the area of the person that brought them home, that's one thing. Ramona has the "don't shit where you eat" down to a science. Take no responsibility to get the guy out of the house after you have buyer's remorse about boinking him. Classic who did it and ran. Instead the guy is either taken or stumbles into Bethenny's bedroom unbeknownst to Carole and Heather.

I wonder if it was a foregone conclusion that LuAnn at the very least was almost expected to pick up someone to hook up with. If I were one of the other HWs, I would have anticipated it and planned accordingly.

I think Ramona felt like she did put him in a common area. She put him in a room that wasn't being used by anyone. I can see both sides of this. I don't think Heather was wrong to be upset, but I also don't see a big difference between telling someone to sleep in an empty bedroom and telling them to sleep on the couch. That's where Heather kind of looses me. If she feels it is unacceptable to have invited that man to stay that's fine, but I don't get why it was extra wrong to put him in a room no one was using. And I really don't get why she continued to be mad at Luanne about it.

[izabella]

Once the pirate story aired, her relationship with Jacques didn't survive much longer,

Even though it was the Bravo cameras that showed her making a quick call to her friend to back her up on the pirate story, she has never forgiven Carole or Heather for discussing the incident on camera and in their individual talking head shots.

Though Luanne was not married to Jacques, the fact that she seemed to be in a serious relationship, she came out looking like the "cheat"

 

Luann came out looking like a cheater because she was a cheater.  Luann is a cheater, and doesn't care if she is the other woman when a married man is cheating with her.  She doesn't seem ashamed of any of it, except that she doesn't want it shown on camera, so apparently, there is some part of her that is ashamed and doesnt' want people to know that she is indiscriminate about her fucking choices.

 

Ramona had zero respect for the other women in the house when she left her "guest" on his own without telling the women whose suite he was sharing.

 

Does that make either of them sluts?  Shrug, I don't know what the definition of a slut is and I don't care.  But it does make them assholes and highly disrespectful of other people.

[Aunt Kiki]

Aww, I kind of like John. I think because of how he looks, he comes across as a bozo but I think there is something underneath. He seems intelligent, has a very interesting business, has a sense of humor, is caring towards Dorinda, even during an argument. He didn't seem to react in an obnoxious way when Luann, Dorinda and Ramona were having their blowout when he was out of the room and then he walked back in. I don't even think he was up to no good at the stupid pickup bar. I think it is just one of those places that you can hang out in and not be on the prowl. I like him, and even with all her meltdowns, I like Dorinda and hope both return next season.

I like John too.   I think he has been made via the magic of editing to look like a real boor.  He also strikes me as a nice guy and a good businessman, although the way Dorinda acted at his business (talking about wanting someone's outfit), I wonder if he regretted being filmed there.  He seems to be very emotionally invested in Dorinda and I don't understand their relationship based on the way she treats him at times.

[izabella]

I think Ramona felt like she did put him in a common area. She put him in a room that wasn't being used by anyone. I can see both sides of this. I don't think Heather was wrong to be upset, but I also don't see a big difference between telling someone to sleep in an empty bedroom and telling them to sleep on the couch. That's where Heather kind of looses me. If she feels it is unacceptable to have invited that man to stay that's fine, but I don't get why it was extra wrong to put him in a room no one was using. And I really don't get why she continued to be mad at Luanne about it.

 

Heather is mad because it's a lot easier for a guy to slip through the connecting bathroom into Heather's room where she was asleep, than it is to slip through closed bedroom doors.  Also Heather would never have run into naked sleeping guy unless he was in the same suite as her and Carole.  It's also different for her to wander naked around her own suite and find a naked man sprawled out there, than to be dressed and awake and run into a guy sleeping downstairs on a couch.

 

And she was mad at Luann for dismissing her concerns as though they were nothing, and then trying to make her feel like an "uncool" asshole for even being upset at finding naked guy in her suite. 

Edited July 18, 2015 by izabella

[NewDigs]

I see a problem with putting him in any common area. And, imho, to install him in an unlocked room adjoining other unlocked rooms was just wrong. I think if you invite an overnight or bed companion that invitee stays with the inviter. Not given free rein of the premises. IMO Ramona was all kinds of wrong.

[DeeplyShallow]

Umm - is me scratching my head. LOL

LOL, thank you for the explanation! My friends use "um" before they say something rude or condescending so I wasn't sure! I feel better now, thanks :)

[Freckledbruh]

Heather is mad because it's a lot easier for a guy to slip through the connecting bathroom into Heather's room where she was asleep, than it is to slip through closed bedroom doors.  Also Heather would never have run into naked sleeping guy unless he was in the same suite as her and Carole.  It's also different for her to wander naked around her own suite and find a naked man sprawled out there, than to be dressed and awake and run into a guy sleeping downstairs on a couch.

 

And she was mad at Luann for dismissing her concerns as though they were nothing, and then trying to make her feel like an "uncool" asshole for even being upset at finding naked guy in her suite.

Her bedroom door was open? I thought it was closed. Also, she wouldn't have found the naked guy had she not entered a room that wasn't hers.

[izabella]

Her bedroom door was open? I thought it was closed. Also, she wouldn't have found the naked guy had she not entered a room that wasn't hers.

 

I don't know if the doors to the bathroom from each of the two bedrooms in the suite were open or not.  Regardless, Ramona gave him the opportunity to wander around that suite when she put him in a room that was part of a suite.  And she didn't give two shits about it.

[FozzyBear]

I also think part of the reason that Luann and Dorina were blasé about the whole thing is that they had met the guy the night before, gotten to know him, and decided he was ok or at least not dangerous. In all honesty, people make those sort of judgment calls all the time. Meet someone and decide to go to dinner. Go to dinner and decide to go home together. Smart or not, people often trust their gut about others. And in this case, as far as we know, they were right. The guy had too much to drink, made out with Ramona, went to sleep in an empty room, and didn't bother, rob, or assault anyone. Heather and Carole weren't given the opportunity to form any opinion of their own. They just woke up and the guy was there so they were freaked out. Luann and Dorrina had a totally different take on it. I really do get both sides of this. But in any case, Carole was right, a naked man singles time to go home. By the way, did Carole pack a full sized vanity mirror in her suitcase? That was weird.

[Freckledbruh]

I don't know if the doors to the bathroom from each of the two bedrooms in the suite were open or not.  Regardless, Ramona gave him the opportunity to wander around that suite when she put him in a room that was part of a suite.  And she didn't give two shits about it.

But he didn't do that. Heather did....several times. I would be more afraid of her assaulting me than a passed out drunk dude.

[talula]

One night stand...funny?!?

Like something out of an American Pie movie — and about as funny — actor Eddie Kaye Thomas, best remembered as Paul "Shit Break" Finch from the long-running film franchise, had to call a SWAT team on a knife-wielding female houseguest whom he had met just 24 hours earlier at a diner and brought back to his Hollywood Hills home.

According to the LAPD, Thomas asked the woman to leave after she spent the night, causing her to fly into a rage.

TMZ reports that Thomas managed to escape after the unidentified woman grabbed a kitchen knife and threatened to kill him.

Once outside he phoned the police, who sent a SWAT team to engage in an hours-long standoff with the barricaded one-night stand.

Before the cops were finally able to evict the woman, she apparently went apeshit over Thomas's stuff, breaking a phone, a guitar, and other possessions.

The suspect was evaluated at a nearby hospital before being booked on a charge of felony vandalism.

http://gawker.com/5994971/american-pie-actor-has-knife-pulled-on-him-by-one-night-stand

[shoegal]

One night stand...funny?!?

Like something out of an American Pie movie — and about as funny — actor Eddie Kaye Thomas, best remembered as Paul "Shit Break" Finch from the long-running film franchise, had to call a SWAT team on a knife-wielding female houseguest whom he had met just 24 hours earlier at a diner and brought back to his Hollywood Hills home.

According to the LAPD, Thomas asked the woman to leave after she spent the night, causing her to fly into a rage.

TMZ reports that Thomas managed to escape after the unidentified woman grabbed a kitchen knife and threatened to kill him.

Once outside he phoned the police, who sent a SWAT team to engage in an hours-long standoff with the barricaded one-night stand.

Before the cops were finally able to evict the woman, she apparently went apeshit over Thomas's stuff, breaking a phone, a guitar, and other possessions.

The suspect was evaluated at a nearby hospital before being booked on a charge of felony vandalism.

http://gawker.com/5994971/american-pie-actor-has-knife-pulled-on-him-by-one-night-stand

Sounds like this guy just needed the negating power of Ramona Singer. If she sleeps next to your one night stand, things go from scary and dangerous to OMG Best Day Ever!!! in 0.5 seconds flat.

[Grneyedldy]

Her bedroom door was open? I thought it was closed. Also, she wouldn't have found the naked guy had she not entered a room that wasn't hers.

Heather's path has always made sense to me. She was probably trying to be quiet as to not wake up Carole. She (Heather) said she woke up, went to the bathroom and then was going to go downstairs to make coffee. She grabbed her robe and headed out through the "what any other person under these circumstances would have expected EMPTY room".

As an aside, not in response to your post.....

It's not a real stretch to worry that some stranger's intent is to rob you. It's pretty common to find some shady, yet charming locals that target wealthy tourists. As FozzyBear posted, Heather and Carole didn't know that he was a straight off the boat horny Scotsman.

[Freckledbruh]

Heather's path has always made sense to me. She was probably trying to be quiet as to not wake up Carole. She (Heather) said she woke up, went to the bathroom and then was going to go downstairs to make coffee. She grabbed her robe and headed out through the "what any other person under these circumstances would have expected EMPTY room".

As an aside, not in response to your post.....

It's not a real stretch to worry that some stranger's intent is to rob you. It's pretty common to find some shady, yet charming locals that target wealthy tourists. As FozzyBear posted, Heather and Carole didn't know that he was a straight off the boat horny Scotsman.

I don't think she should have had any expectations that this room was empty. Folks were drunk and partying so she doesn't know what sleeping arrangements people made. It wasn't her room so she had no reason to go in there. Ramona or Luann could have been in there because they decided they wanted that room instead. If heather wasn't nosing around, she wouldn't have even found the guy. I would co-sign her crying and yelling if the guy had been in their shared bathroom and saw Heath naked but none of that happened.

As for being worried about getting robbed. I agree but worried doesn't equal bursting into people's rooms, yelling at folks and crying like an idiot. Absolutely nothing happened. Does she cry when she sees a suspicious person walking down the street?

[lunastartron]

So . . . Carole and Heather can point out the logical and/or practical dangers of inviting a stranger into one's abode but the inconsistencies in their reasoning aren't subject to the same deconstruction? These narratives and references to the abstract and/or inherent danger involved in picking up strangers is non-germane to the discussion because ***** Heather and Carole themselves contend that they had zero problem with the premise of a stranger in the house *****. If he had slept on the couch, he would had have the same ease of access to Heather and Carole's room as he did in the guest suite. All he would have had to do in both situations is open a door. If Ramona was intoxicated to the point of passing out, how is she going to prevent this hypothetically threatening stranger - who is somehow at once both intoxicated himself and yet nefariously nimble - from sneaking into their room; masturbating over them; donning their jewelry; and/or murdering H/C if that's what he wanted to do? Heather and Carole said they have *no problem with strange men in the house while everyone is unconscious* but it's a problem that demands hysterics if he's in a bed in an unoccupied room separated from theirs by two doors as opposed to on a couch separated from their room . . . by a flight of stairs and a single door. Those are two TOTALLY different situations! How dare anyone point of the pragmatic similarities between the two scenarios; they're as different as apples and spaceships!

[SCS]

"Carole didn't say Luann sleeps with anyone so she better not ever cry rape. " - She doesn't have to say it explicitly because it is a dog whistle. If she didn't say "anyone that she chooses" then what she is saying is that Luann is game for anyone which definitely could invite unwanted advances or dangerous situations. Heather can yell, accuse and cry over something that "could" happen but Carole gets a pass for putting Luann in an even worse position? She could have said Luann is sexually free and leave it at that. Saying she will sleep with anyone is some dangerous, sexist stuff.

Or it's all a matter of perception.

Does she cry when she sees a suspicious person walking down the street?

Giving this deep thought. I'm going to go out onto the assumption limb and say, " no, she doesn't." And then add the vital IMO.

[Freckledbruh]

Or it's all a matter of perception.

Well my perception is that since Carol had an open relationship with a rock musician and is now sleeping with a not yet thirty year old, she will just sleep with anybody and anything. Hide yo puppies. Hide yo goldfish. Lock up your silver. Carole is on the prowl.

[SCS]

Well my perception is that since Carol had an open relationship with a rock musician and is now sleeping with a not yet thirty year old, she will just sleep with anybody and anything. Hide yo puppies. Hide yo goldfish. Lock up your silver. Carole is on the prowl.

Does this mean Carol would sleep with Antoine Dodson, too?

[talula]

Eight women together...no ground rules...and it's the LAST night for a one-night-stand. Or to scratch an itch as said up thread. Poor planning or Bravo genius.

I would have thought Ramona & Luann could have screwed the guys in the ocean... and or the pool. To stash a guy in a upstairs bedroom adjoined to the same bathroom as an occupied bedroom was ludicrously rude and possibly dangerous. Just a thought to how all parties could have been satisfied and not caused so much angst and bad blood between themselves and the RHONY audience!

Though it should drive the reunion ratings sky high.

[missy jo]

Heather's path has always made sense to me. She was probably trying to be quiet as to not wake up Carole. She (Heather) said she woke up, went to the bathroom and then was going to go downstairs to make coffee. She grabbed her robe and headed out through the "what any other person under these circumstances would have expected EMPTY room".

 

 

Yes, when she explained it, I felt like I understood it clearly.

[SCS]

Dang it Petey, get off my computer.

 

Sorry, Petey was on my computer.

 

eta Petey is my dog.

Commence the canine shaming! At once!