TanyaKay December 6, 2014 Share December 6, 2014 5) Who is most likely to dabble in angsty slam poetry: Oliver, Roy or Diggle? [Oh dear, now my brain is having a meltdown from trying to picture the impossible!] of course it is Oliver who would write angsty slam poetry. Both Diggle and Roy are far too well adjusted (yes I used the word well adjusted for Roy because season 3 Roy is the most emotionally healthy person in the Arrow Cave) to get into angsty poetry. Oliver has the market cornered on angst, I can't help but picture him composing angsty poetry while doing salmon ladder or watering the fern or just sitting on the foundry stairs. 1 Link to comment
Velocity23 December 7, 2014 Share December 7, 2014 (edited) Emily & Colton with Stephens stunds double at the Stunts Canada Christmas party. Edited December 7, 2014 by Velocity23 2 Link to comment
statsgirl December 7, 2014 Share December 7, 2014 My favorite parts of the AfterShow was the laughter at the villain disappearing in a smoke bomb (I hadn't noticed that at first, but it is hilarious) and Campea's comments on the comics influence on the show. I did roll my eyes at the praise for the EPs attention to detail because the handling of Sara's life/death. FYI: If you don't want to listen to Laurel-bashing, Campea does tone it down. He only listed an absent Laurel as a positive for the episode. A fan did ask him if he thinks the show could change his mind on Laurel, similar to the way he has been warming to Roy this season. He gives a five minute answer about how the writing has failed Laurel/KC and how they should handle the Laurel/BC storyline (either drop it completely or have Laurel as a background player for a season or two so people can get used to seeing her before trying BC). I would argue they have been using her as background character for the last two years, even if that wasn't their intention, and it's not working. Laurel has been in the background but in her own stories which often had nothing to do with the Team Arrow ones and either in opposition to them (when she blamed the Hood for Tommy's death) or taking time away from them (Lance family dinner in ToD). The EPs may argue that that's because she didn't know Oliver's secret but neither did Moira, Walter or Quentin and they've had a lot of fan support. I think that if she had spent a couple of seasons, or even just one, cooking what Oliver catches and providing general ADA office support to Team Arrow and then Sara died, there would have been more positive feeling about her becoming a vigilante. I would have liked to see her giving Team Arrow the info they couldn't get for themselves and helping them. Phoning Felicity at QC to get info on a guy that her office could have got her and that she didn't have any justification to go after was pretty much the opposite of what they needed to do to get her better liked. So basically, while I think KC was miscast, the writing just continues to make things worse, unless they're really trying to get rid of her after this season but that doesn't make any sense either. 5 Link to comment
ban1o December 7, 2014 Share December 7, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure where to post this but I thought this was interesting. It was postedon reddit and imdb. Don't know 100% how accurate it is but ichecked for Thea, Laurel and Lance in episode 8 and it was accurate. Main Cast Member screen time the brave and the bold Oliver: 25mins, 11secsLaurel: 1min, 12secsDiggle: 10mins, 37secsThea: 0mins, 32secsFelicity: 11mins, 45secsRoy: 14mins, 5secsMalcolm: 0mins, 0secsQuentin: 1min, 24secs season totals (so far) Oliver: 3hours, 10mins, 19secsLaurel: 55mins, 46secsDiggle: 1hour, 7mins, 50secsThea: 27mins, 11secsFelicity: 1hour, 37mins, 14secsRoy: 1hour, 7mins, 58secsMalcolm: 11mins, 46secsQuentin: 16mins, 50secs Edited December 7, 2014 by ban1o 1 Link to comment
Starfish35 December 7, 2014 Share December 7, 2014 So, rearranged by screen time: 1) Oliver: 3hours, 10mins, 19secs 2) Felicity: 1hour, 37mins, 14secs 3) Roy: 1hour, 7mins, 58secs 4) Diggle: 1hour, 7mins, 50secs 5) Laurel: 55mins, 46secs 6) Thea: 27mins, 11secs 7) Quentin: 16mins, 50secs 8) Malcolm: 11mins, 46secs Link to comment
statsgirl December 7, 2014 Share December 7, 2014 How do they define screen time? Being on screen? Speaking lines? Being important in the current scene? (As Mark Twain said, there are liars, damned liars, and statisticians.) Roy may have been in the scene more than Laurel but he hasn't really had a storyline other than thinking he killed Sara. Thea has half the screentime but more of the storytime. Link to comment
Morrigan2575 December 7, 2014 Share December 7, 2014 (edited) Screentime is exactly that, screentime. How long they were on screen. Opinions on quality or quantity of story is irrelevant, it's a numerical number based on when the character appears. Edited December 7, 2014 by Morrigan2575 2 Link to comment
TwistedandBored December 7, 2014 Share December 7, 2014 Most of Diggle, Roy, and Felicity's screen time has to do with Team Arrow stuff thought. Link to comment
ban1o December 7, 2014 Share December 7, 2014 (edited) Most of Diggle, Roy, and Felicity's screen time has to do with Team Arrow stuff thought. yeah this is true. It makes sense that Team Arrow has the most screen time. And laurel has been absent for the past 2 episodes which is why her screen time is lower but in episodes 1-6 she had quite a bit of screen time. And it will only increase after the show returns and they do the BC arch. How do they define screen time? Being on screen? Speaking lines? Being important in the current scene? (As Mark Twain said, there are liars, damned liars, and statisticians.) how much they are on the screen Edited December 7, 2014 by ban1o 1 Link to comment
TwistedandBored December 7, 2014 Share December 7, 2014 I agree. I am expecting Laurel's screen time to increase in the coming episodes as well. Link to comment
statsgirl December 8, 2014 Share December 8, 2014 Screentime is exactly that, screentime. How long they were on screen. Opinions on quality or quantity of story is irrelevant, it's a numerical number based on when the character appears. It the definition is being on-screen while supporting another character's storyline, I vote we include Sally and Fernlicity. Sally was in the cross-over and Fernlicity has been an important part of two episodes. Numbers without context can paint a misleading picture. Looking at those numbers one might be tempted to conclude that Cisco is more important to the show than Malcolm, and Roy more than Laurel, instead of Roy spending most of his time supporting the Team Arrow story while Laurel's time is about herself and her development. To make sense of those numbers, I'd want a mediating variable in there, showing if the screentime is about the individual him or herself, about a storyline the character is part of a group of people involved in it, or about someone else's storyline instead. 1 Link to comment
ban1o December 8, 2014 Share December 8, 2014 (edited) It the definition is being on-screen while supporting another character's storyline, I vote we include Sally and Fernlicity. Sally was in the cross-over and Fernlicity has been an important part of two episodes. Numbers without context can paint a misleading picture. Looking at those numbers one might be tempted to conclude that Cisco is more important to the show than Malcolm, and Roy more than Laurel, instead of Roy spending most of his time supporting the Team Arrow story while Laurel's time is about herself and her development. To make sense of those numbers, I'd want a mediating variable in there, showing if the screentime is about the individual him or herself, about a storyline the character is part of a group of people involved in it, or about someone else's storyline instead. I wasn't trying to say anything or paint a picture about the numbers I was just pointing out how much screen time each of the characters had this season so far. How important or relevant the certain person's screen time is is always up to opinion anyway. Edited December 8, 2014 by ban1o Link to comment
statsgirl December 8, 2014 Share December 8, 2014 (edited) I know you weren't. It's just me, I feel like there is screen time, and there is screentime, and pure numbers can be misleading. Edited December 8, 2014 by statsgirl Link to comment
ban1o December 8, 2014 Share December 8, 2014 (edited) I know you weren't. It's just me, I feel like there is screen time, and there is screentime, and pure numbers can be misleading. Lol true Edited December 8, 2014 by ban1o 1 Link to comment
BkWurm1 December 8, 2014 Share December 8, 2014 I vote we include Sally and Fernlicity. Sally was in the cross-over and Fernlicity has been an important part of two episodes. Fernlicity -- I love!!!! Link to comment
Ceylon5 December 8, 2014 Share December 8, 2014 My numbers are slightly different to those (though I haven't kept track of most of the cast; only Felicity and Diggle). I can safely say that there is no empirical set-in-stone value when calculating screentime. For instance: if it is simply the actual moments that the person is physically seen on screen, do you count scenes where they're just a blurry figure in the distant background of a shot? Do you count the sound of their voice on the phone? Do you exclude any scene that focusses on the close-up expressions of the person they're talking to in a scene that's very much includes them, just because they're not in the shot? My methodology is as follows: 1) If a person is a principle part of a scene (e.g. an intense Felicity/Oliver conversation), then you include that full scene, including any and all parts where the camera is focussed exclusively on the person's scene-partner and they are not in shot. 2) If the person is merely in the distant background of a scene and is excluded from the conversation entirely (e.g. Felicity working at her EA desk in the background of a shot of Oliver & a visitor in his office at QC back in S2), then I don't count that as their screentime. 3) If a person is unconscious or dead in the background of a scene, I don't count that. 4) If a person is on the phone during a conversation (e.g. Felicity with the guys on a mission), I count that as part of Felicity's screentime for as long as she's an active participant in the conversation. When the action takes over for extended periods, though, I don't count that towards Felicity's time (even though we know she's listening in), except when it flashes to her or her voice. 5) If the guys are all splitting up and doing reconnaissance; if they're all talking to each other on comms, and it chops back and forth between them, I count it as time they're all on-screen, even though the camera can only focus on one at a time; but if it focusses on each in turn for a reasonable chunk of time, then I separate it out into each person's time. 6) If we know that a character is technically in a scene with a bunch of other people, listening, but not participating, and the camera goes off them and never goes back on them again in that scene, if it's a long scene and it's pretty obvious that they aren't really a part of it, I exclude them from the time of their last appearance in shot. All of it is a judgement call. What to include; what to exclude; when to make the cut-off. There's nothing simple about it! Or particularly logical. And everyone will come up with slightly different figures, because they will choose to include or exclude different things (e.g. Laurel's time in the latest episode - the person above had her as being in it for 1m12; I get 47secs). I can even come up with slightly different figures on different days for the same episodes - that's how subjective and mood-dependent it is! Having said all that, for anyone who's interested, my figures are as follows: Felicity - 1h 36m 48s (S3 Eps 1-8) Diggle - 1h 12m 25s (S3 Eps 1-8) If you exclude the Felicity episode from both their times, then they have almost identical times for the rest of the episodes (D = 1h 8m 45s; F = 1h 10m 21s) Interestingly, when compared to last season, the amount of time Felicity & Diggle spend together has greatly changed. This time last season, Felicity was spending 72% of her screentime with Diggle. This season, she's spent only 28% of her screentime with Diggle so far (and almost none of that was alone with him or with just him & Oliver, as was the case the majority of the time last season). Much of Felicity's screentime is now with people other than Oliver and Diggle (45m30s so far; versus 8mins this time last year). 9 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 December 8, 2014 Share December 8, 2014 It seems to me that most figures I've seen are in the same ballpark. Obviously there's human error to account for, different methodology, etc. Roughly the numbers are close and since this is a hobby and not a scientific experiment it doesn't need to be precise. Link to comment
BkWurm1 December 8, 2014 Share December 8, 2014 (edited) Roughly the numbers are close and since this is a hobby and not a scientific experiment it doesn't need to be precise. Wait a while and maybe someone will devote a web site to the counting of character screen time. Ad agencies can correlate screen time to product placement success. Edited December 8, 2014 by BkWurm1 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 December 8, 2014 Share December 8, 2014 Wait a while and maybe someone will devote a web site to the counting of character screen time. Ad agencies can correlate screen time to product placement success.From what I understand Netflix reports a lot of this type of stuff. What scenes are FF, which are replayed, etc. However that I expect to be more precise. Fans sitting down with a stopwatch app and keeping track for fun, not so much. 1 Link to comment
Meredith Quill December 8, 2014 Share December 8, 2014 Discussion of characters screentime does not belong in this topic, consequently all posts relating to this have been moved to Slings & Arrows. Please be mindful that your post is relevant to the topic you are posting in. Thank you. Link to comment
tv echo December 9, 2014 Share December 9, 2014 (edited) Katrina Law @Misskatrinalaw · 20h 20 hours agoHottie @david_ramsey 4 @KittCrusaders! Help save a kitty by purchasing a signed photo! #charity https://twitter.com/Misskatrinalaw Edited December 9, 2014 by tv echo 8 Link to comment
Sakura12 December 9, 2014 Share December 9, 2014 I'm not a cat person, but I'd donate to get a pic of Katrina Law, Caity Lotz and David Ramsey covered with kittens. 2 Link to comment
SmallScreenDiva December 9, 2014 Share December 9, 2014 I came across a Zap2It article about a character on "The Walking Dead" that fans want to come back and there are about 39,000 signatures on a Change.org petition. I'd come across a post on Tumblr about a similar petition to bring Sara back to "Arrow." Now, it's not a fair comparison by any means because TWD attracts 17 million viewers, and Arrow has maybe 4 million after Live + 7 ratings. Anyway, the petition for Sara had 726 signatures last night I looked. They'll need a whole lot more than that to convince anybody. This reminded me of my question a couple of months ago about whether the producers had data that convinced them killing off Sara was a risk they could take. 1 Link to comment
tv echo December 9, 2014 Share December 9, 2014 (edited) I put this Twitter list together for myself so I can check for Arrow news and pics - just thought I'd share... Stephen Amellhttps://twitter.com/amellywood Emily Bett Rickardshttps://twitter.com/emilybett David Ramseyhttps://twitter.com/david_ramsey Katie Cassidyhttps://twitter.com/MzKatieCassidy Willa Hollandhttps://twitter.com/willaaaah Colton Hayneshttps://twitter.com/coltonlhaynes Paul Blackthornehttps://twitter.com/paulblackthorne John Barrowmanhttps://twitter.com/team_barrowman Brandon Routhhttps://twitter.com/brandonjrouth Manu Bennetthttps://twitter.com/manubennett Katrina Lawhttps://twitter.com/Misskatrinalaw Charlotte Rosshttps://twitter.com/charlotteross Greg Berlantihttps://twitter.com/GBerlanti Andrew Kreisberghttps://twitter.com/AJKreisberg Marc Guggenheimhttps://twitter.com/mguggenheim Official CW Arrowhttps://twitter.com/CW_Arrow Arrow Writershttps://twitter.com/arrowwriters Arrow Production Officehttps://twitter.com/ArrowProdOffice Geoff Johnshttps://twitter.com/geoffjohns DC Comicshttps://twitter.com/DCComics Grant Gustinhttps://twitter.com/grantgust John Campeahttps://twitter.com/johncampea Edited December 16, 2014 by tv echo 5 Link to comment
looptab December 9, 2014 Share December 9, 2014 (edited) Edit: what Velocity posted in the spoilers thread :) Edited December 9, 2014 by looptab Link to comment
JenMcSnark December 9, 2014 Share December 9, 2014 I want this DR photo. So hot. https://twitter.com/Misskatrinalaw I'm not a cat person, but I'd donate to get a pic of Katrina Law, Caity Lotz and David Ramsey covered with kittens. Katrina Law has a few different pictures to choose from, including one called Nyssara: And my personal favorite, HeirBall to the Demon: Here is the link if you'd like to look at the others. I think there is one more of KL plus one of the girl who plays Ivy on The Flash and a bunch of other people you may be familiar with. http://kittcrusaders.wix.com/kittcrusaders#!photo-gallery/c1se 5 Link to comment
JayKay December 9, 2014 Share December 9, 2014 I'd love for Sara to come back, but I hadn't heard anything about a petition. I just quit watching. So that could be a factor too. 1 Link to comment
ban1o December 10, 2014 Share December 10, 2014 (edited) So I just found out that Colton was really good at singing and I know EBR is good at singing and John Barrowman is good st singing. I think there should be an Arrow musical episode lol. (Maybe the next Flash crossover with Grant Gustin and Jesse Martin added in) mostly kidding but it would be funny. Edited December 10, 2014 by ban1o 3 Link to comment
Carrie Ann December 10, 2014 Share December 10, 2014 They've talked about this at Cons, I think? Stephen says absolutely never, and that makes me happy. :) I could see it on The Flash though, so maybe a crossover there instead, with only the singing Arrow cast members. 1 Link to comment
Chaser December 10, 2014 Share December 10, 2014 I would be happy with BTS musicals. Just expand on the Grease-Bathroom-Single Along. Or film an entire scene in song and release in the special features. I think that would fun, 3 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 December 10, 2014 Share December 10, 2014 (edited) In that EBR Runway interview posted in the Felicity thread, EBR mentioned that she was shooting a scene with David and Colton and they were singing West Side Story. Seems a lot of BTS signing goes on, pity no one ever thinks to make it an extra on the DVD sets. Someone needs to talk to the Supernatural people, they know how to create fun/entertaining DVD extras for the fans. Edited December 10, 2014 by Morrigan2575 3 Link to comment
tv echo December 10, 2014 Share December 10, 2014 (edited) Arrow's A.T.O.M. Exosuit Mystery Explained (And There's An Iron Man Connection!)By Russ Burlingame 12/09/2014http://comicbook.com/2014/12/10/arrows-a-t-o-m-exosuit-mystery-explained-and-theres-an-iron-man-/?utm_source=latestarticle2 Partial quote: In the case of Ray's super-suit at the end of Episode 307 and in the case of the one that you'll see now that's been revealed in 309, they pull an image off the Internet. Because it's for purely internal purposes, it's not meant to be shown in public. It's really just meant to give the studio and the network a sense of what's supposed to go there so that the characters are not looking at a blank shot. Edited December 10, 2014 by tv echo Link to comment
tv echo December 10, 2014 Share December 10, 2014 Smoak and Arrow is seeking to trend "Olicity On The Climb" today: http://smoakandarrow.tumblr.com/post/104696886704/join-us-wednesday-december-10th-as-we-trend Link to comment
tv echo December 10, 2014 Share December 10, 2014 Paul Blackthorne at Comic Con Portugal... Comic Con Portugal - Paul Blackthorne Conferência de ImprensaPublished on Dec 8, 2014, by Dinha Gamer Link to comment
JenMcSnark December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 That is one of the most adorable things I've ever seen. haha Poor Stephen's mom. He really sold that last scene! Link to comment
BkWurm1 December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 I've never thought about how awful it must be to see your son or daughter die on screen. :( 3 Link to comment
BkWurm1 December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 I've mentioned it before, but the show does some beautiful things with water. How gorgeous was that scene where the floor looked like glass, perfectly reflecting back images of Oliver and the torches? 2 Link to comment
looptab December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 Such a troll lol :D https://twitter.com/amellywood/status/542861598365216769 Link to comment
bethy December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 Stephen posted something on Facebook about their demonstrating the show is about more than just one character. I have a baaad feeling about this. Link to comment
blixie December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 You should not need to kill off your main character to show that it's "about" more than one character, I can't think of any successful show that handles their ensemble cast, and supporting players WORSE than Arrow, that's including procedurals which at least there everyone gets equally crappy character development. 4 Link to comment
Guest December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 Stephen posted something on Facebook about their demonstrating the show is about more than just one character. I have a baaad feeling about this. Whaaaat? That's ridiculous. If this was called The Justice League or something I could understand but the show is called ARROW. Should we spell it out for them? Maybe they forgot. Link to comment
SonofaBiscuit December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 I hope the trolling comes back to bite them in the ass with plummeting ratings in January. They don't get what people love about the show, and they never will. 3 Link to comment
AnalyzeAndCritique December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 I wouldn't wish ill on anyone but clearly they have no comprehension of why their show is liked and need an epiphany. Tanking ratings should be a wake up they can't ignore. Link to comment
Guest December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 I don't think the ratings for 310 will tank as much as some think. People will probably tune in just to see what happens with Oliver and the fallout of that. I wouldn't be surprised if a 'Sara' episode situation happened though, where people switched off halfway through. Link to comment
NumberCruncher December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 I get why Stephen is doing this but I hate that he has to do it because the EPs want to push other vigilantes on us. If fans are having a meltdown about what happened it's because they don't want Oliver to be dead/absent. The show is called "Arrow" for a reason rather than "The Justice League". I don't think the 3x10 ratings will tank either, but after that, who knows? I suppose the comic book fans will be happy but I can't say the same for me. Oh well...my work schedule is usually crazy in January so maybe not having much time to watch the show will be a blessing in disguise. 4 Link to comment
Danny Franks December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 They won't be stupid enough to stretch out the suspense that long. Even if Oliver doesn't appear at all in most of 3.10, there will be a scene at the end showing him alive and in a coma or something. Just to get people to tune back in the next week. And then when they do, the writers can pretend it's because people love their work and want to see Bland Canary do her thing. 3 Link to comment
lemotomato December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 (edited) For reference: Edited December 11, 2014 by lemotomato Link to comment
dtissagirl December 11, 2014 Share December 11, 2014 This dude is worse than my teenage cousins on social media. OWN YOUR WORDS, AMELL, THEY WILL SET YOU FREE. 1 Link to comment
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