Social Media and Behind the Scenes: AKA Everything Else Not "News and Media"

[TanyaKay]

5) Who is most likely to dabble in angsty slam poetry: Oliver, Roy or Diggle? [Oh dear, now my brain is having a meltdown from trying to picture the impossible!]

 

of course it is Oliver who would write angsty slam poetry.

Both Diggle and Roy are far too well adjusted (yes I used the word well adjusted for Roy because season 3 Roy is the most emotionally healthy person in the Arrow Cave) to get into angsty poetry. Oliver has the market cornered on angst, I can't help but picture him composing angsty poetry while doing salmon ladder or watering the fern or just sitting on the foundry stairs.

[Velocity23]

 

Emily & Colton with Stephens stunds double at the Stunts Canada Christmas party.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Velocity23

[statsgirl]

My favorite parts of the AfterShow was the laughter at the villain disappearing in a smoke bomb (I hadn't noticed that at first, but it is hilarious) and Campea's comments on the comics influence on the show. I did roll my eyes at the praise for the EPs attention to detail because the handling of Sara's life/death. 

 

FYI: If you don't want to listen to Laurel-bashing, Campea does tone it down. He only listed an absent Laurel as a positive for the episode. A fan did ask him if he thinks the show could change his mind on Laurel, similar to the way he has been warming to Roy this season. He gives a five minute answer about how the writing has failed Laurel/KC and how they should handle the Laurel/BC storyline (either drop it completely or have Laurel as a background player for a season or two so people can get used to seeing her before trying BC).   

 

I would argue they have been using her as background character for the last two years, even if that wasn't their intention, and it's not working.

 

Laurel has been in the background but in her own stories which often had nothing to do with the Team Arrow ones and either in opposition to them (when she blamed the Hood for Tommy's death) or taking time away from them (Lance family dinner in ToD).  The EPs may argue that that's because she didn't know Oliver's secret but neither did Moira, Walter or Quentin and they've had a lot of fan support.

I think that if she had spent a couple of seasons, or even just one, cooking what Oliver catches and providing general ADA office support to Team Arrow and then Sara died, there would have been more positive feeling about her becoming a vigilante.  I would have liked to see her giving Team Arrow the info they couldn't get for themselves and helping them.  Phoning Felicity at QC to get info on a guy that her office could have got her and that she didn't have any justification to go after was pretty much the opposite of what they needed to do to get her better liked.

 

So basically, while I think KC was miscast, the writing just continues to make things worse, unless they're really trying to get rid of her after this season but that doesn't make any sense either.

[ban1o]

I'm not sure where to post this but I thought this was interesting. It was postedon reddit and imdb. Don't know 100% how accurate it is but  ichecked for Thea, Laurel and Lance in episode 8 and it was accurate.

 

Main Cast Member screen time

the brave and the bold

Oliver: 25mins, 11secs
Laurel: 1min, 12secs
Diggle: 10mins, 37secs
Thea: 0mins, 32secs
Felicity: 11mins, 45secs
Roy: 14mins, 5secs
Malcolm: 0mins, 0secs
Quentin: 1min, 24secs

 

season totals (so far)

Oliver: 3hours, 10mins, 19secs
Laurel: 55mins, 46secs
Diggle: 1hour, 7mins, 50secs
Thea: 27mins, 11secs
Felicity: 1hour, 37mins, 14secs
Roy: 1hour, 7mins, 58secs
Malcolm: 11mins, 46secs
Quentin: 16mins, 50secs

Edited December 7, 2014 by ban1o

[Starfish35]

So, rearranged by screen time:

1) Oliver: 3hours, 10mins, 19secs

2) Felicity: 1hour, 37mins, 14secs

3) Roy: 1hour, 7mins, 58secs

4) Diggle: 1hour, 7mins, 50secs

5) Laurel: 55mins, 46secs

6) Thea: 27mins, 11secs

7) Quentin: 16mins, 50secs

8) Malcolm: 11mins, 46secs

[statsgirl]

How do they define screen time?  Being on screen?  Speaking lines?  Being important in the current scene?  (As Mark Twain said, there are liars, damned liars, and statisticians.)

 

Roy may have been in the scene more than Laurel but he hasn't really had a storyline other than thinking he killed Sara. Thea has half the screentime but more of the storytime.

[Morrigan2575]

Screentime is exactly that, screentime. How long they were on screen. Opinions on quality or quantity of story is irrelevant, it's a numerical number based on when the character appears.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Morrigan2575

[TwistedandBored]

Most of Diggle, Roy, and Felicity's screen time has to do with Team Arrow stuff thought. 

[ban1o]

Most of Diggle, Roy, and Felicity's screen time has to do with Team Arrow stuff thought.

yeah this is true. It makes sense that Team Arrow has the most screen time. And laurel has been absent for the past 2 episodes which is why her screen time is lower but in episodes 1-6 she had quite a bit of screen time. And it will only increase after the show returns and

they do the BC arch.

 

 

How do they define screen time?  Being on screen?  Speaking lines?  Being important in the current scene?  (As Mark Twain said, there are liars, damned liars, and statisticians.)

how much they are on the screen

Edited December 7, 2014 by ban1o

[TwistedandBored]

I agree. I am expecting Laurel's screen time to increase in the coming episodes as well.

[statsgirl]

Screentime is exactly that, screentime. How long they were on screen. Opinions on quality or quantity of story is irrelevant, it's a numerical number based on when the character appears.

It the definition is being on-screen while supporting another character's storyline, I vote we include Sally and Fernlicity.  Sally was in the cross-over and Fernlicity has been an important part of two episodes.

 

Numbers without context can paint a misleading picture.  Looking at those numbers one might be tempted to conclude that Cisco is more important to the show than Malcolm, and Roy more than Laurel, instead of Roy spending most of his time supporting the Team Arrow story while Laurel's time is about herself and her development.  To make sense of those numbers, I'd want a mediating variable in there, showing if the screentime is about the individual him or herself, about a storyline the character is part of a group of people involved in it, or about someone else's storyline instead.

[ban1o]

It the definition is being on-screen while supporting another character's storyline, I vote we include Sally and Fernlicity. Sally was in the cross-over and Fernlicity has been an important part of two episodes.

Numbers without context can paint a misleading picture. Looking at those numbers one might be tempted to conclude that Cisco is more important to the show than Malcolm, and Roy more than Laurel, instead of Roy spending most of his time supporting the Team Arrow story while Laurel's time is about herself and her development. To make sense of those numbers, I'd want a mediating variable in there, showing if the screentime is about the individual him or herself, about a storyline the character is part of a group of people involved in it, or about someone else's storyline instead.

I wasn't trying to say anything or paint a picture about the numbers I was just pointing out how much screen time each of the characters had this season so far. How important or relevant the certain person's screen time is is always up to opinion anyway. Edited December 8, 2014 by ban1o

[statsgirl]

I know you weren't.  It's just me, I feel like there is screen time, and there is screentime, and pure numbers can be misleading.

Edited December 8, 2014 by statsgirl

[ban1o]

I know you weren't. It's just me, I feel like there is screen time, and there is screentime, and pure numbers can be misleading.

Lol true

Edited December 8, 2014 by ban1o

[BkWurm1]

I vote we include Sally and Fernlicity. Sally was in the cross-over and Fernlicity has been an important part of two episodes.

 

Fernlicity  -- I love!!!!

[Ceylon5]

My numbers are slightly different to those (though I haven't kept track of most of the cast; only Felicity and Diggle).  I can safely say that there is no empirical set-in-stone value when calculating screentime.  For instance: if it is simply the actual moments that the person is physically seen on screen, do you count scenes where they're just a blurry figure in the distant background of a shot?  Do you count the sound of their voice on the phone?  Do you exclude any scene that focusses on the close-up expressions of the person they're talking to in a scene that's very much includes them, just because they're not in the shot?

 

My methodology is as follows:

1) If a person is a principle part of a scene (e.g. an intense Felicity/Oliver conversation), then you include that full scene, including any and all parts where the camera is focussed exclusively on the person's scene-partner and they are not in shot.  

2) If the person is merely in the distant background of a scene and is excluded from the conversation entirely (e.g. Felicity working at her EA desk in the background of a shot of Oliver & a visitor in his office at QC back in S2), then I don't count that as their screentime. 

3) If a person is unconscious or dead in the background of a scene, I don't count that.  

4) If a person is on the phone during a conversation (e.g. Felicity with the guys on a mission), I count that as part of Felicity's screentime for as long as she's an active participant in the conversation.  When the action takes over for extended periods, though, I don't count that towards Felicity's time (even though we know she's listening in), except when it flashes to her or her voice.

5) If the guys are all splitting up and doing reconnaissance; if they're all talking to each other on comms, and it chops back and forth between them, I count it as time they're all on-screen, even though the camera can only focus on one at a time; but if it focusses on each in turn for a reasonable chunk of time, then I separate it out into each person's time.

6)  If we know that a character is technically in a scene with a bunch of other people, listening, but not participating, and the camera goes off them and never goes back on them again in that scene, if it's a long scene and it's pretty obvious that they aren't really a part of it, I exclude them from the time of their last appearance in shot.

 

All of it is a judgement call.  What to include; what to exclude; when to make the cut-off.  There's nothing simple about it!  Or particularly logical. And everyone will come up with slightly different figures, because they will choose to include or exclude different things (e.g. Laurel's time in the latest episode - the person above had her as being in it for 1m12; I get 47secs).  I can even come up with slightly different figures on different days for the same episodes - that's how subjective and mood-dependent it is! 

 

Having said all that, for anyone who's interested, my figures are as follows:

Felicity - 1h 36m 48s (S3 Eps 1-8)

Diggle - 1h 12m 25s (S3 Eps 1-8)

If you exclude the Felicity episode from both their times, then they have almost identical times for the rest of the episodes (D = 1h 8m 45s; F = 1h 10m 21s)

 

Interestingly, when compared to last season, the amount of time Felicity & Diggle spend together has greatly changed.  This time last season, Felicity was spending 72% of her screentime with Diggle.  This season, she's spent only 28% of her screentime with Diggle so far (and almost none of that was alone with him or with just him & Oliver, as was the case the majority of the time last season).  Much of Felicity's screentime is now with people other than Oliver and Diggle (45m30s so far; versus 8mins this time last year).

[Morrigan2575]

It seems to me that most figures I've seen are in the same ballpark. Obviously there's human error to account for, different methodology, etc.

Roughly the numbers are close and since this is a hobby and not a scientific experiment it doesn't need to be precise.

[BkWurm1]

Roughly the numbers are close and since this is a hobby and not a scientific experiment it doesn't need to be precise.

 

Wait a while and maybe someone will devote a web site to the counting of character screen time.  Ad agencies can correlate screen time to product placement success. 

Edited December 8, 2014 by BkWurm1

[Morrigan2575]

Wait a while and maybe someone will devote a web site to the counting of character screen time. Ad agencies can correlate screen time to product placement success.

From what I understand Netflix reports a lot of this type of stuff. What scenes are FF, which are replayed, etc. However that I expect to be more precise. Fans sitting down with a stopwatch app and keeping track for fun, not so much.

[Meredith Quill]

Discussion of characters screentime does not belong in this topic, consequently all posts relating to this have been moved to Slings & Arrows. Please be mindful that your post is relevant to the topic you are posting in.

 

Thank you.

[tv echo]

Katrina Law @Misskatrinalaw  ·  20h 20 hours ago

Hottie @david_ramsey 4 @KittCrusaders! Help save a kitty by purchasing a signed photo! #charity

https://twitter.com/Misskatrinalaw

Edited December 9, 2014 by tv echo

[Morrigan2575]

Hottie!

[Sakura12]

I'm not a cat person, but I'd donate to get a pic of Katrina Law, Caity Lotz and David Ramsey covered with kittens. 

[SmallScreenDiva]

I came across a Zap2It article about a character on "The Walking Dead" that fans want to come back and there are about 39,000 signatures on a Change.org petition. I'd come across a post on Tumblr about a similar petition to bring Sara back to "Arrow." Now, it's not a fair comparison by any means because TWD attracts 17 million viewers, and Arrow has maybe 4 million after Live + 7 ratings. Anyway, the petition for Sara had 726 signatures last night I looked. They'll need a whole lot more than that to convince anybody. This reminded me of my question a couple of months ago about whether the producers had data that convinced them killing off Sara was a risk they could take.

[tv echo]

I put this Twitter list together for myself so I can check for Arrow news and pics - just thought I'd share...

 

Stephen Amell
https://twitter.com/amellywood

 

Emily Bett Rickards
https://twitter.com/emilybett

 

David Ramsey
https://twitter.com/david_ramsey

 

Katie Cassidy
https://twitter.com/MzKatieCassidy

 

Willa Holland
https://twitter.com/willaaaah

 

Colton Haynes
https://twitter.com/coltonlhaynes

 

Paul Blackthorne
https://twitter.com/paulblackthorne

 

John Barrowman
https://twitter.com/team_barrowman

 

Brandon Routh
https://twitter.com/brandonjrouth

 

Manu Bennett
https://twitter.com/manubennett

 

Katrina Law
https://twitter.com/Misskatrinalaw

 

Charlotte Ross
https://twitter.com/charlotteross

 

Greg Berlanti
https://twitter.com/GBerlanti

 

Andrew Kreisberg
https://twitter.com/AJKreisberg

 

Marc Guggenheim
https://twitter.com/mguggenheim

 

Official CW Arrow
https://twitter.com/CW_Arrow

 

Arrow Writers
https://twitter.com/arrowwriters

 

Arrow Production Office
https://twitter.com/ArrowProdOffice

 

Geoff Johns
https://twitter.com/geoffjohns

 

DC Comics
https://twitter.com/DCComics

 

Grant Gustin
https://twitter.com/grantgust

 

John Campea
https://twitter.com/johncampea

Edited December 16, 2014 by tv echo

[looptab]

Edit: what Velocity posted in the spoilers thread :)

Edited December 9, 2014 by looptab

[JenMcSnark]

I want this DR photo.  So hot.

https://twitter.com/Misskatrinalaw

 

 

I'm not a cat person, but I'd donate to get a pic of Katrina Law, Caity Lotz and David Ramsey covered with kittens. 

Katrina Law has a few different pictures to choose from, including one called Nyssara:

 

And my personal favorite, HeirBall to the Demon:

 

Here is the link if you'd like to look at the others.  I think there is one more of KL plus one of the girl who plays Ivy on The Flash and a bunch of other people you may be familiar with.

 

http://kittcrusaders.wix.com/kittcrusaders#!photo-gallery/c1se

[JayKay]

I'd love for Sara to come back, but I hadn't heard anything about a petition. I just quit watching. So that could be a factor too.

[ban1o]

So  I just found out that Colton was really good at singing and I know EBR is good at singing and John Barrowman is good st singing. I think there  should be an Arrow musical episode lol. (Maybe the next Flash crossover with Grant Gustin and Jesse Martin added in) 

 

mostly kidding but it would be funny. 

Edited December 10, 2014 by ban1o

[Carrie Ann]

They've talked about this at Cons, I think? Stephen says absolutely never, and that makes me happy. :) I could see it on The Flash though, so maybe a crossover there instead, with only the singing Arrow cast members.

[Chaser]

I would be happy with BTS musicals. Just expand on the Grease-Bathroom-Single Along. Or film an entire scene in song and release in the special features. I think that would fun,

[Morrigan2575]

In that EBR Runway interview posted in the Felicity thread, EBR mentioned that she was shooting a scene with David and Colton and they were singing West Side Story.  Seems a lot of BTS signing goes on, pity no one ever thinks to make it an extra on the DVD sets.  Someone needs to talk to the Supernatural people, they know how to create fun/entertaining DVD extras for the fans.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Morrigan2575

[tv echo]

Arrow's A.T.O.M. Exosuit Mystery Explained (And There's An Iron Man Connection!)
By Russ Burlingame 12/09/2014
http://comicbook.com/2014/12/10/arrows-a-t-o-m-exosuit-mystery-explained-and-theres-an-iron-man-/?utm_source=latestarticle2

 

Partial quote:

In the case of Ray's super-suit at the end of Episode 307 and in the case of the one that you'll see now that's been revealed in 309, they pull an image off the Internet. Because it's for purely internal purposes, it's not meant to be shown in public. It's really just meant to give the studio and the network a sense of what's supposed to go there so that the characters are not looking at a blank shot.

Edited December 10, 2014 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Smoak and Arrow is seeking to trend "Olicity On The Climb" today:

http://smoakandarrow.tumblr.com/post/104696886704/join-us-wednesday-december-10th-as-we-trend

[tv echo]

Paul Blackthorne at Comic Con Portugal...

 

Comic Con Portugal - Paul Blackthorne Conferência de Imprensa
Published on Dec 8, 2014, by Dinha Gamer

[wonderwall]

Stephen's mom is SO CUTE:

 

[JenMcSnark]

That is one of the most adorable things I've ever seen.  haha  Poor Stephen's mom.  He really sold that last scene!

[BkWurm1]

I've never thought about how awful it must be to see your son or daughter die on screen.  :(

[BkWurm1]

I've mentioned it before, but the show does some beautiful things with water.  How gorgeous was that scene where the floor looked like glass, perfectly reflecting back images of Oliver and the torches? 

[looptab]

Such a troll lol :D

https://twitter.com/amellywood/status/542861598365216769

[bethy]

Stephen posted something on Facebook about their demonstrating the show is about more than just one character. I have a baaad feeling about this.

[blixie]

You should not need to kill off your main character to show that it's "about" more than one character, I can't think of any successful show that handles their ensemble cast, and supporting players WORSE than Arrow, that's including procedurals which at least there everyone gets equally crappy character development. 

[Angel12d]

Stephen posted something on Facebook about their demonstrating the show is about more than just one character. I have a baaad feeling about this.

 

Whaaaat? That's ridiculous. If this was called The Justice League or something I could understand but the show is called ARROW. Should we spell it out for them? Maybe they forgot.

[SonofaBiscuit]

I hope the trolling comes back to bite them in the ass with plummeting ratings in January.  They don't get what people love about the show, and they never will.

[AnalyzeAndCritique]

I wouldn't wish ill on anyone but clearly they have no comprehension of why their show is liked and need an epiphany. Tanking ratings should be a wake up they can't ignore.

[Angel12d]

I don't think the ratings for 310 will tank as much as some think. People will probably tune in just to see what happens with Oliver and the fallout of that. I wouldn't be surprised if a 'Sara' episode situation happened though, where people switched off halfway through. 

[NumberCruncher]

I get why Stephen is doing this but I hate that he has to do it because the EPs want to push other vigilantes on us. If fans are having a meltdown about what happened it's because they don't want Oliver to be dead/absent. The show is called "Arrow" for a reason rather than "The Justice League".

I don't think the 3x10 ratings will tank either, but after that, who knows? I suppose the comic book fans will be happy but I can't say the same for me. Oh well...my work schedule is usually crazy in January so maybe not having much time to watch the show will be a blessing in disguise.

[Danny Franks]

They won't be stupid enough to stretch out the suspense that long. Even if Oliver doesn't appear at all in most of 3.10, there will be a scene at the end showing him alive and in a coma or something. Just to get people to tune back in the next week. And then when they do, the writers can pretend it's because people love their work and want to see Bland Canary do her thing.

[lemotomato]

For reference:

Edited December 11, 2014 by lemotomato

[dtissagirl]

This dude is worse than my teenage cousins on social media. OWN YOUR WORDS, AMELL, THEY WILL SET YOU FREE.