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dtissagirl
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What bugs me is the implication that if you are not patient, you're watching it wrong. Naw, son. You don't get to tell me how I watch TV. I'm an actual pro at doing it.

WindofChange
WindofChange

Oh wow, Emily. I'm impressed because this is really brave and I'm really proud that she said this in such an eloquent way.

dtissagirl
dtissagirl

Ha. Reading those stage directions, and realizing how EBR went the opposite way [curious and skeptic rather than faint by hot guy] makes me understand 100% how fucking lost they were at that time, and

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wonderwall

wonderwall

Roger Federer is my hero and no one will compare!

 

I AM STILL ANGRY ABOUT WIMBLEDON DAMMIT. 

 

Ugh. 

 

I've actually really  been enjoying Stephen and Emily's tweets! But they don't compare to the bromance the Arrow writers/Elementary Writers/ Sleepy Hollow writers have on twitter. It's truly epic!

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Starfish35

Starfish35

I've actually really  been enjoying Stephen and Emily's tweets! But they don't compare to the bromance the Arrow writers/Elementary Writers/ Sleepy Hollow writers have on twitter. It's truly epic!

Haha is that still going on?

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catrox14

catrox14

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LOL yes I know, Jensen has no social media. I was  making a joke about SA and Jarpad's blossoming bromance IRL   and via twitter and precisely that Jensen is not a part of that tweetmance.  I guess my joke was more esoteric than I thought it would be.

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wonderwall

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IMO this debunks the whole fan pandering thing because the episodes shoot way in advance so the writers/EPs/actors/network must've seen something special between Oliver/Felicity before the audience. Just sayin'

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catrox14

catrox14

@wonderwall, I've been arguing that point for weeks now, because the EPs and writers have all said that it was what they saw in EBR's acting and the dailies after her first appearance and before her episode EVER aired that compelled them to expand her role.

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wonderwall

wonderwall

Hopefully this helps your argument :) And I've been on board with your argument from the get-go. It's the people out there *looks out to the internet fandom with dead eyes like Laurel did in the finale* who need convincing... And they're usually hard-headed when it comes to this stuff

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Starfish35

Starfish35

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I hate the "give them what they need attitude" but it doesn't seem quite as arrogant if they have been planning Oliver and Felicity as the romantic pairing since S1. I suppose they were trying to fulfil comic book canon by hooking up Oliver & Dinah Laurel Lance and also hooking up Arrow/Canary (Oliver/Sarah) even if it was WTF within the story.

The problem I have with believing that they decided to abandon Lauriver for Olicity during season one is that they were still talking about the Oliver/Laurel relationship after season one ended. MG made that infamous statement

The little magic trick that we have to do with Oliver and Laurel is, keep bringing them together and pulling them apart, bringing them together and pulling them apart.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=46389

in July of 2013. At that point it seemed like they were still considering them the show OTP.

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statsgirl

statsgirl

The problem I have with believing that they decided to abandon Lauriver for Olicity during season one is that they were still talking about the Oliver/Laurel relationship after season one ended. MG made that infamous statement

He made a bunch of ridiculous statements in that one.

 

I think any time you do a TV show, and you've got two people together who are star-crossed lovers and they're destined to be together, but you don't want them together because you run into the "Moonlighting" problem of your two main characters, once they actually end up together, in a committed relationship, then it seems to lose all of its sexual spark.The little magic trick that we have to do with Oliver and Laurel is, keep bringing them together and pulling them apart, bringing them together and pulling them apart.

 

And obviously we ended season 1 with them really in love with each other and the trick in season 2 is, well I don't think I'm spoiling anything, is how do we drive a little bit of a wedge between them without going back to where we were in season 1 where Laurel just really hated Oliver which quite frankly was necessary because of the fact that Oliver slept with her sister.  Generally speaking, that's a hard thing to get over and it took a whole season really for us to get Laurel over it...  That's a big boat to turn around and it took us 23 episodes to do it but we finally did and now that we've done it we have to get them to some sort of opposing position.  

What sexual spark?  And I thought Laurel ended s1 realizing she was in love with Tommy and is back to hating Oliver as The Arrow at the start of s2..

 

That interview was posted July 2/13, two months after the Huffingdon post column Orion linked to above where he was all about the Oliver/Felicity chemistry.  It would be so much easier to understand this show if I didn't listen to AK and MG.  Note to self:  listen only to Greg Berlanti and Stephen Amell.

 

Speaking of the Moonlighting Curse, Nathan Fillion was always adamant that Castle and Beckett should not get together because it would kill the spark.  In his interview with Michael Ausiello and SDCC last week, he said that he had been completely wrong about that.

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NumberCruncher

NumberCruncher

Note to self: listen only to Greg Berlanti and Stephen Amell.

Probably a good rule. Stephen never seems to oversell anything regarding storylines which I appreciate so much and I'm more apt to listen to Berlanti regarding the direction of romantic relationships since he has a proven track record at changing them according to what's working on screen between the actors (e.g. Dawson's Creek). That being said, the person that has surprised me most with his pro-Olicity comments is Kreisberg since he's generally known to be the biggest Oliver/Laurel supporter and comic book canon-clinger of all the EPs.

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wingster55

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Well, to be fair it still could be considered fan pandering as the intensity of the Felictiy/Olicity fanbase definitely played a part in her joining Oliver and Diggle's team. 

To me any "fan pandering" happened in season two. 

 

Also wonderwall..how dare you. I've been trying very hard to get past Wimbledon. But you RUINED EVERYTHING. ;)

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statsgirl

statsgirl

Well, to be fair it still could be considered fan pandering as the intensity of the Felictiy/Olicity fanbase definitely played a part in her joining Oliver and Diggle's team.

I think it was an opportunity to diversify the scenes in the Arrow lair which up to then seemed to have consisted of Oliver being intense and Diggle either offering him advice or acting as side kick, and to add some lightness to a rather morose show.  If I were writing, I'd rather be writing for the three of them than just Oliver and Diggle.   Even her first episode on the team, The Dodger, couldn't have been done the same way because having Diggle wear the blow-up collar and track the jewel electronically wouldn't have made as much sense.  A number of critics have talked about how the inclusion of the character of Felicity changed the the tenor of the show, implying it was for the better, which suggests that it was an EP decision to put her on the team rather than a call by fans to have her there.

(Is there a thread for discussing producers, writers and directors?)

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AnyoneButYou

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Well, to be fair it still could be considered fan pandering as the intensity of the Felictiy/Olicity fanbase definitely played a part in her joining Oliver and Diggle's team. 

To me any "fan pandering" happened in season two. 

 

 

 

Felicity was an unknowing member of Team Arrow since the third episode. It was story/character development for her to become a part of Team Arrow. It would have been ridiculous for her not to become a part of the team after all the ridiculous lies (energy drink in a syringe?) that Oliver was telling her to get her to help them.

 

I'm seriously sick of the term "pandering".

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BkWurm1

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(Is there a thread for discussing producers, writers and directors?)

 

@statsgirl

No there's not.  Someone could start one though.  How about:

 

The Undertaking: Producers, Writers and Directors

 

What makes it pandering is that they inserted a moment between them when it wasn't needed and often just stuck out like a sore thumb.

 

Ii think the trouble is that it becomes opinion on what scene sticks out like a sore thumb or isn't needed.  Often I live for those small little exchanges and character moments.  They are very often far more important to me than that week's plot.   

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TanyaKay

TanyaKay

Pointing out the moments where KC was inserted in an ep awkwardly doesn't refute my point of Felicity. 

Actually that one was a bit necessary I think. 

 

 

how was that important? She was not his girlfriend or even a friend whose presence was necessary and she did not discover anything new about Blood there. She tried to prosecute Moira so I am sure Moira did not want anything to do with her. Laurel had nothing to do with the main plot that episode which was all about Thea's abduction & Deathstroke. You cut that scene out and it takes absolutely nothing away from either that episode or the general story.

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I agree the entire show is pretty much fan pandering. I think Felicity's addition was a really good thing because it allows us to see a different side to Oliver. I'm kind of just ignoring any insinuations about pandering because it causes unnecessary grief. Let someone's opinion be just that.

No worries man. Life's too short for that.

Oh and I pretty much ignore all darn Felicity scenes that could be considered OOC like that "please save Oliver." That was a rubbish.

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ban1o

ban1o

I agree the entire show is pretty much fan pandering. I think Felicity's addition was a really good thing because it allows us to see a different side to Oliver. I'm kind of just ignoring any insinuations about pandering because it causes unnecessary grief. Let someone's opinion be just that.

No worries man. Life's too short for that.

Oh and I pretty much ignore all darn Felicity scenes that could be considered OOC like that "please save Oliver." That was a rubbish.

Yeah I don't know why people are offended. Most of the things they do on the show are fan pandering lol, including the addition of Felicity as a main character. Not that she isn't awesome. 

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wonderwall

wonderwall

I guess people are offended because when people use it, they use it as a way to justify hating a charater/scene/relationship and trying to undermine it when it shouldn't be a reason at all :/ 

 

Maybe we should all think of pandering as something positive on this site. I mean, there's a reason why an aspect of a show such as Olicity has so many fans. It just goes to show that, that aspect is working and the EPs see it too. 

 

Basically I'm going to say 'Thank you' to anyone who says it's pandering. Not only will it throw them off, but maybe it'll also make them stop using the word with such vitriol :p

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Lisin

Lisin

Hey gang, again I must insist, you talk about the show, not how great or dumb fans opinions of the show are. Period. End of thought. Stop harping on various fan groups. It's not on topic, it isn't relevant to the show. It's alienating other posters, it's rude. Done.

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ban1o

ban1o

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haha their comic-con pictures are funny. Especially the ones with  Emily, Colton and Willa. Arrow has a ridiculously good looking cast. 

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pootlus

pootlus

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I stood next to Manu Bennett and forgot to inhale :-(

Both John and Manu were adorable, John even signed my DVD sleeve of "Shark Attack 3: Megalodon" that I'd brought as a freebie. Manu isn't sure when or if Slade's coming back (or wasn't allowed to say).

I really hope someone gets Barrowman's panel up on YouTube - he was hysterical. I wrote up the Arrow bits but it's a million times better to hear it 'live'.

Manu's panel is tomorrow.

Oh and I talked to Scott and he confirmed that he suggested that Thea rather than Oliver was Merlyn's kid. Go Scott!

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Sakura12

Sakura12

When I met Manu, he had on so much cologne that we smelled him before he entered the room. lol. Stephen's got a great body and all, but Manu and David are like Greek gods. I'm upset that we didn't get more shirtless scenes with them because yes, I'm shallow and Manu's chest is rock hard (of which I leaned on when he gave me a hug. Not for too long, so I would not look like a creeper)

 

I'm looking forward to Barrowman having a panel when he's in my town, I just don't know how I'll feel about it, if KC's is there for it too. 

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foreverevolving

foreverevolving

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I stood next to Manu Bennett and forgot to inhale :-(

Both John and Manu were adorable, John even signed my DVD sleeve of "Shark Attack 3: Megalodon" that I'd brought as a freebie. Manu isn't sure when or if Slade's coming back (or wasn't allowed to say).

I really hope someone gets Barrowman's panel up on YouTube - he was hysterical. I wrote up the Arrow bits but it's a million times better to hear it 'live'.

Manu's panel is tomorrow.

Oh and I talked to Scott and he confirmed that he suggested that Thea rather than Oliver was Merlyn's kid. Go Scott!

Do you mean the SDCC 2014 one?

I think someone already did:

part1: 

part2: 

part3: 

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pootlus

pootlus

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No, San Antonio Wizard World which is happening this weekend.

@Morrigan2575 Nowhere yet! I'll wait a bit to see if the video does go up, because it'd be a million times funnier than my recollection.

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Sakura12

Sakura12

I can't imagine Barrowman reining himself in - if she didn't want to play along he'd just roll right on over her. The man has the energy of a twenty year old.

Agree with you there. At the SDCC Torchwood panel in '08, he stood on his chair, kissed David Gareth-Lloyd and Naoko Mori and started singing songs from Miss Saigon. 

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