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I thought a love triangle involves one person torn between two other people. Those people know about each other and compete against each other for the third person's heart. I guess SID can call it a love triangle instead of the sad, soulless, libido-crushing affair it is, but if I called the penny in my wallet a million dollar bill and tried to buy a diamond-encrusted dildo with it, I bet I'd be fucking myself the old-fashioned way that night. 

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2 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

but if I called the penny in my wallet a million dollar bill and tried to buy a diamond-encrusted dildo with it, I bet I'd be fucking myself the old-fashioned way that night. 

well, you could wear diamond rings.  Just saying...; )

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26 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

It truly is hilarious that they won't call it what it is. An AFFAIR. CHEATING. Like, um, I think THAT'S why Jack doesn't know about it! Crazy, I know!

It is the first time I've seen a straight up affair called a triangle. Lol. They also described it as a "torrid affair" - I think it was a typo. Should have read "torpid."

Give. It. Up. Show.

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20 hours ago, miamama said:

I was thinking Billy crossed the line when he told Jack that he was useless to Phyllis and was better off on the island with Kelly.

And Phyllis crossed the line when she attacked Jack for "not even making it to OUR HONEYMOON!"

Yeah. Can't wait to see what these two fuckers have in store now.

....O_o 

If they crossed any more lines, they will have sailed the entire circumference of the Earth. Twice. Dear God, this is to Y&R what George Lucas did to Anakin Skywalker in the prequel. But even for the hack he was found out to be, it was painstakingly obvious I was supposed to hate pre-Vader Anakin by the end. I'm not sure if or when that hammer is gonna drop on Philly.

2 hours ago, miamama said:

It is the first time I've seen a straight up affair called a triangle. Lol. They also described it as a "torrid affair" - I think it was a typo. Should have read "torpid."

Give. It. Up. Show.

Haha, torpid. I love this.

Anyone know how we can get on the staff of this show? :p

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So Billy is screwing Phyllis and trying to  physically attack Travis? This might possibly be one of the worst characters on daytime. Not exaggerating. 

Also, LOL @ Jack's face with Hilary.

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10 minutes ago, miamama said:

Do you think Billy's attack of Travis is because Phyllis is his EVERYTHING?

Maybe he thinks Travis is Phyllis' husband? Or did he realize Travis is Real!Billy!?

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26 minutes ago, miamama said:

I can't stop watching Jack's face. It's somewhere between WTF? and Well hello.

lol.

I wish we had writers who could do funny.

I wish we had writers who would stop trying to stifle Jack. :/ If I was writing this show, Jack would be able to see right through Hilary. I'd also have Jack already know about Philly's affair, unbeknownst to everyone, including the audience, and purposely send Billy to that cabin for the ultimate GOT 'EM.

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10 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I wish we had writers who would stop trying to stifle Jack. :/ If I was writing this show, Jack would be able to see right through Hilary. I'd also have Jack already know about Philly's affair, unbeknownst to everyone, including the audience, and purposely send Billy to that cabin for the ultimate GOT 'EM.

Jack tied up and smacked around by Kelly was a metaphor for how the writers have treated Jack for years. I live for the little moments now with his character. Otherwise I'd quit watching.

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11 minutes ago, miamama said:

Jack tied up and smacked around by Kelly was a metaphor for how the writers have treated Jack for years. I live for the little moments now with his character. Otherwise I'd quit watching.

It's such a waste of PB's talents. And such a waste for the character of Jack to continuously be everybody's victim.

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So spoilers for next Thursday US (June 30 aka the first day of sweeps) from three different sources say:

Billy and Phyllis cross the line (posted upthread)

Billy and Phyllis engage in risky behaviour

Billy and Phyllis play with fire

Since they have been doing all of the above it for weeks it has GOT TO MEAN they are caught by Jack (see how I'm trying to convince myself) on the Thursday or for the Friday cliffhanger. In other words what those spoilers are saying without giving it away is: Billy and Phyllis GO TOO FAR.

Also Jess Walton is on the following week. So I'm thinking she will come back for Billy's stupidity (i.e. Philly fallout).

If Jack doesn't find out in the next week or two I'll need therapy.

I probably already do.

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I don't know if it means they're caught by Jack or just the fact that they're screwing on Jack's birthday in that cabin with the possibility that Jack could come back. Hmm. They're both such trash. On his BIRTHDAY. 

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Billy and Phyllis play with fire? Let me guess. They burn down the Abbott cabin with their love, their fiery, sizzling, volcanic, incandescent, nuclear, blazing love. We then spend two weeks watching Jack wonder why Phyllis smells like burnt sadness and I Can't Believe It's Not ButtBiscuit, the preferred spread of knobs everywhere. 

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2 hours ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

I don't think Jack learns. I think it will be another close call though. 

This is what I'm afraid of. I think show wants to milk the Ashley-Phyllis working together, Hilary sniffing around Jack and the spectacularly dull "angst-ridden performances" of JT and GT for as long as possible. I'm starting to think it won't even be a close call. It'll be another conversation of "What IS this? I am an alley cat. But I can't LOSE YOU."

9 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

I don't know if it means they're caught by Jack or just the fact that they're screwing on Jack's birthday in that cabin with the possibility that Jack could come back. Hmm. They're both such trash. On his BIRTHDAY. 

It is beyond fucking gross.

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And what is this, right? I mean in heavy handed soap language? To be this level of trash? Is Pratt trying to tell us their WUV is so powerful they would behave in this manner? And it's not "reckless" -- it's actively viciously sociopathic-level CRUEL. To a man they both profess to love and who without a doubt loves them with all his HEART.

It's sadism, actually. Pratt really does get off on torture porn. And for some reason PB is his fantasy victim.

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I just love the "what is this?" melodrama, as if their affair is something unique and so powerful that there's nothing in the human language that can possibly describe it.

I recommend that Billy and Phyllis take a sample of "it," pack it in a petrie dish and send it off to the CDC. I bet they have a name for "it."

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4 hours ago, miamama said:

And what is this, right? I mean in heavy handed soap language? To be this level of trash? Is Pratt trying to tell us their WUV is so powerful they would behave in this manner? And it's not "reckless" -- it's actively viciously sociopathic-level CRUEL. 

What's crazytown is I'm pretty sure we're supposed to be rooting for Philly, specifically Billy. 

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24 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

What's crazytown is I'm pretty sure we're supposed to be rooting for Philly, specifically Billy. 

Right. The dark hero is positively puke, er, swoon-worthy.

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Just now, HeatLifer said:

He's young and hot! That beats old and boring! 

Right. Poor Phyllis, she can't even pretend to be into Boring Jack now that she's had herself some up of that yummy ButtBiscuit. I mean Jack and Phyllis and their two decades of history have NOTHING on that narcissistic sister-in-law fucking LOSER saying he wants to be Peter Pan to her Wendy.

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On 6/24/2016 at 1:17 PM, HeatLifer said:

So Billy is screwing Phyllis and trying to  physically attack Travis? This might possibly be one of the worst characters on daytime. Not exaggerating. 

Also, LOL @ Jack's face with Hilary.

hahaha, the bar from ikea moved when billy slammed travis against it..

real bars are heavy and solid and do not move..

so, h

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32 minutes ago, miamama said:

Right. Poor Phyllis, she can't even pretend to be into Boring Jack now that she's had herself some up of that yummy ButtBiscuit. I mean Jack and Phyllis and their two decades of history have NOTHING on that narcissistic sister-in-law fucking LOSER saying he wants to be Peter Pan to her Wendy.

Phyllis actually does deserve a loser like Billy, TBH. Jack was always too good for her.

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I'm not sold on Hijack at this point. Obviously he's too good for Philizard, but Hilary is such an evil little bitch. Why, oh why can't Jack be with someone like Nikki, who for better or worse, stands by her rotting corpse man. I don't mean I want Jack with Nikki, just a woman who is good to him for more than five minutes.

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Nikki left Jack the morning after their wedding to chase after missing Victor. Hillary may be a scammer, but by the gods she has never exhumed the old cryptkeeper's dick for her own dubious pleasures. #HiJack #UntouchedbyNewmanpeen

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3 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

Phyllis actually does deserve a loser like Billy, TBH. Jack was always too good for her.

I agree. But he should be the one to decide that. Instead she keeps choosing others over him. And show gives the cheaters a big love story while Jack gets thrown crumbs. And obviously I could be talking about Phick or Philly.

I can't believe they are doing it AGAIN.

Just sick of it. GT's Phyllis was presented as devoted to Jack. He was the love of her life. Finally she acted like he was who she wanted always. Then they blew that to SHIT with this contrived affair with Billy. I can't even believe it when I read or hear Phyllis AND Billy. It's such a slap in the face to the characters and history.

And it's too big a betrayal AGAIN. Jack can't take her back this time. I just find it ridiculous that in all these years Jack Abbott has not had ONE woman who is in love with just him (who isn't insane). I really thought they were settled on Phyllis. She doesn't deserve him. But GT did her best to sell her as deeply loving him.

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I agree. But he should be the one to decide that.

I completely understand and I'm with you on this. I'm just not confident it will be presented in that way, unfortunately. The writers have made this whole thing about Billy/Philly's love that I expect Phyllis to just be like, "Sorry, Jack, I love your brother!" And she either chooses Billy or Jack "let's her go." 

When TPTB don't see this story as an ULTIMATE betrayal considering Phack's history, as well as Billy/Jack's history, I lose all hope. That's why I'm just on Team #FreeJack. I want to get to that moment where the character can finally have nothing to do with those two. Let Phyllis fight Vic/Chloe/Fiona/Bethany/etc for Billy.

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I want him freed as well but I don't think I can stomach Phyllis fighting for Billy. I quit watching during the Phick years because I was so disgusted. And here I admit I am the morality police. Can show not demonstrate the ugliness and destructiveness of cheating instead of treating it as just another beautiful way people meet? I get it happens. I do. But it is not without consequence. It is the messiest way to end a relationship. But even then the relationship that dies should get some attention. But this is all Philly and the amazing awesomeness that is Billy.

I just can't deal. 

Jack will let her go. He'll get to dump her. They gave him that with Phick too -- even though it was straight up bullshit since she was all about Nick. And PB even talked about that scene recently, how he was personally hurt because MS was more than happy to leave him in the dust and move on to her Big New Love Story in Phick.

I guess I just can't believe the show is putting PB and his fans through the identical shit. It floors me to be honest. Especially for a pair of newbies.

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But even then the relationship that dies should get some attention. But this is all Philly and the amazing awesomeness that is Billy.

Especially when the relationship that's "dying" is the one with the history, the years, the longtime story, the fanbase that has been through the ringer...how do you not treat that with a bit more respect? End Phack, I don't care. Do the "hot" cheating story with the wife-brother. I'm not a shipper. But at least give Jack/Phack some of the emotional pull and devastation. Instead, we get scenes with Billy alone crying on Phyllis' flowers like THEY are the married ones. 

I still wish Jack somehow knew and it was all a set-up, lol. That would SO make up for his scenes where he just kisses their asses and says cliche shit like, "I hope you had some pleasure on your business trip." Like, how cool and shocking would those lines be if they did that twist? /im crazy 

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But at least give Jack/Phack some of the emotional pull and devastation. Instead, we get scenes with Billy alone crying on Phyllis' flowers like THEY are the married ones. 

I'm still not accepting it. I still think Phyllis will come to regret her "choice." I think all this love and connection shit is to justify the length of this affair (which was entirely to push JT) but also to save the characters of Phyllis and Billy. Not saying it's working. But if they just had them fucking for lust how off the charts gross would that be? Phyllis has been sexually violated and so she decides she needs Jack's little brother for some excitement sexually on the side???? And Billy would destroy his brother also for sex or even revenge on Jack?

I don't know. I think they are trying to present confusion on everyone's parts. Phyllis was shown very nearly broken down from the Marco business (the court scenes, her RAGE, her choices to have Adam kidnapped or making her kid lie under oath). Billy is completely fucked in the head. He is clearly jealous over Victoria's new love. He does want revenge on Jack (for what I don't know). But he deeply resents him and this is shown in the dialogue (and not just JT's performance). 

Anyways, I think they are having Philly get caught up in this love story so they come across as less horrid. They believe it's "real" and would only hurt Jack this badly for something "real." It's trash writing. No one as old as Billy and Phyllis are would hurt Jack the way they are doing if they loved him, but I'm setting that aside for the moment and trying to get into Pratt's brain.

I just don't see where they go with this if they stay with Philly. So the Abbotts carry on and Phyllis Abbott will be Mrs. Billy Abbott instead of Jack's wife? Or Phyllis will once again (at her age) be in a triangle with Villy as she was with Shick? REALLY? I just don't see it.

I think Phyllis will be confused and "torn" for some time. But watching HiJack she'll get all jealous. And Billy will likewise need to go fight for Vicki. And these losers will realize they destroyed what they really wanted. Hence all the anvils of crashes and destruction we've been watching for months (including Peter Pan). 

Jack has been written as far too devoted, as you quote above. If they want to go Philly end game, they just need to have Jack be an ass for five minutes, or succumb to the temptation of Hilary. But they are making Philly really really really BAD and Jack really really really GOOD. Even when Jack is hard on Phyllis or Billy, he's written to be right.

I think that is for a reason (besides Pratt's penchant for sadism).

I don't want Phack. I want Phyllis to WANT Phack. And I want Billy to die. So maybe I'm seeing what I want to see. But I'm not convinced this is a Phick redux. 

And if it is a Phick redux, I won't be watching. Been there, done that.

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10 minutes ago, miamama said:

No one as old as Billy and Phyllis are would hurt Jack the way they are doing if they loved him, but I'm setting that aside for the moment and trying to get into Pratt's brain.

 

That will be a lonely, scary  place. Put on your high waders, Miamama.

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But they are making Philly really really really BAD and Jack really really really GOOD.

This is how I see it, yeah. But I guess what I'm still questioning is whether this is actually the writers' intention. Because, so far, it's the "bad guys" who have the screen time, the POV, the standalone scenes, the flashbacks, the Obligatory Romantic Speeches, etc. They're not being portrayed as "bad." They're being portrayed as two people in love who have an obstacle/husband/brother in the way.

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39 minutes ago, babyhouseman said:

That will be a lonely, scary  place. Put on your high waders, Miamama.

It is. It IS!!

24 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

 

This is how I see it, yeah. But I guess what I'm still questioning is whether this is actually the writers' intention. Because, so far, it's the "bad guys" who have the screen time, the POV, the standalone scenes, the flashbacks, the Obligatory Romantic Speeches, etc. They're not being portrayed as "bad." They're being portrayed as two people in love who have an obstacle/husband/brother in the way.

I don't disagree. And this is where I am wavering. (When I fear it will go the way of Phick.)

At the start I thought this was about Jack. As it should have been. But clearly it is not. It's about Philly and more about Billy. I used to think JFP and Pratt really liked PB and Phack. So all this was a surprise. (I had no idea the true power of FOJ love until JT arrived.) But I still think Pratt does think highly of PB and doesn't really want to sideline him. As for love stories, he likes unhappy couples. He doesn't know how to write couples in love. I think it's Pratt miscalculating and being tone deaf. I mean he put Jack through all that shit on Kelly Island and Drug Boat and had hit him shot and we, the audience, were supposed to giggle and say "whoa, fun Victor-Jack battle." He just doesn't get how humans respond. So I think he just sees this as a prolonged affair that would get people a-talking and was following JFP orders to cement JT as a player on show. I expect the Phack drama to come when the affair is outed. 

The other day Hilary told Devon they could never have lasted because they were built on an ugly affair. A few weeks ago Hilary told Jack that Hevon always found a way to be together -- despite loving Neil -- because they were "drawn" together or meant to be or some such shit. That planted a seed in Jack's head re: Philly and we were about to head into the "affair" proper with the "trying to be together" stuff with Philly.

Now Hilary is singing a different tune and I expect to see the "cheaters can't build a love on pain" play out.

Always with the plot with Pratt.

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15 hours ago, miamama said:

Right. Poor Phyllis, she can't even pretend to be into Boring Jack now that she's had herself some up of that yummy ButtBiscuit. I mean Jack and Phyllis and their two decades of history have NOTHING on that narcissistic sister-in-law fucking LOSER saying he wants to be Peter Pan to her Wendy.

You mean Jack was schutupping a 22 year old SyPhylis?   

As I've stated previously, I like GT and she's fine as Phyllis, except when I remember that the character is a grandmother, lol.  

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11 hours ago, miamama said:

I'm still not accepting it. I still think Phyllis will come to regret her "choice." I think all this love and connection shit is to justify the length of this affair (which was entirely to push JT) but also to save the characters of Phyllis and Billy. Not saying it's working. But if they just had them fucking for lust how off the charts gross would that be? Phyllis has been sexually violated and so she decides she needs Jack's little brother for some excitement sexually on the side???? And Billy would destroy his brother also for sex or even revenge on Jack?

I don't know. I think they are trying to present confusion on everyone's parts. Phyllis was shown very nearly broken down from the Marco business (the court scenes, her RAGE, her choices to have Adam kidnapped or making her kid lie under oath). Billy is completely fucked in the head. He is clearly jealous over Victoria's new love. He does want revenge on Jack (for what I don't know). But he deeply resents him and this is shown in the dialogue (and not just JT's performance). 

Anyways, I think they are having Philly get caught up in this love story so they come across as less horrid. They believe it's "real" and would only hurt Jack this badly for something "real." It's trash writing. No one as old as Billy and Phyllis are would hurt Jack the way they are doing if they loved him, but I'm setting that aside for the moment and trying to get into Pratt's brain.

I just don't see where they go with this if they stay with Philly. So the Abbotts carry on and Phyllis Abbott will be Mrs. Billy Abbott instead of Jack's wife? Or Phyllis will once again (at her age) be in a triangle with Villy as she was with Shick? REALLY? I just don't see it.

I think Phyllis will be confused and "torn" for some time. But watching HiJack she'll get all jealous. And Billy will likewise need to go fight for Vicki. And these losers will realize they destroyed what they really wanted. Hence all the anvils of crashes and destruction we've been watching for months (including Peter Pan). 

Jack has been written as far too devoted, as you quote above. If they want to go Philly end game, they just need to have Jack be an ass for five minutes, or succumb to the temptation of Hilary. But they are making Philly really really really BAD and Jack really really really GOOD. Even when Jack is hard on Phyllis or Billy, he's written to be right.

I think that is for a reason (besides Pratt's penchant for sadism).

I don't want Phack. I want Phyllis to WANT Phack. And I want Billy to die. So maybe I'm seeing what I want to see. But I'm not convinced this is a Phick redux. 

And if it is a Phick redux, I won't be watching. Been there, done that.

Calling this a Phack redux is an insult to Phack.

The pairing got a bit long in the tooth and never needed to be a ten year marriage (or however long they were together), but Caveman Nick to his credit sprang for a hotel at least. And there was also that whole thing about  logical story telling with motivations and the story not being so one-sided in their favor. Sharon outed Nick and Jack kicked Phyllis to the curb, all of which happened before learning she was pregnant IIRC.

Plus, they were torn for only each other and their respective spouses. Butt Biscuit is still trying to mark his territory around the only credible threat to having Vikki's undivided attention and banging other randoms. And I'm sorry, but old Phyllis was too much of an egomaniac to put up with that rubbish, married or not.

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So July 4 spoiler says "Phyllis takes a big step in her relationship with Billy."

So the love story continues. Jack is written like a fucking idiot for MONTHS, treated like shit, insulted, seen as positively repulsive to his wife for no other reason than to justify these newbies getting a front burner love story. 

Wow. I got nothing but wow.

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26 minutes ago, jewel21 said:

Maybe that big step will be her finally telling Jack she wants out so she can devote herself to Billy full-time, without pesky Jack in the way?

Yeah, I got nothing.

The fact it is described as a relationship??? Why all this hiding? Why the fuck not just end Phack and let Philly be in love? Oh right. Because no one would give a fuck about two newbies. Aargh.

I need a mental health break. This show has done me in. 

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30 minutes ago, miamama said:

So July 4 spoiler says "Phyllis takes a big step in her relationship with Billy."

So the love story continues. Jack is written like a fucking idiot for MONTHS, treated like shit, insulted, seen as positively repulsive to his wife for no other reason than to justify these newbies getting a front burner love story. 

Wow. I got nothing but wow.

Takes a big step....takes a big step.....hmmmmm, what could it be?  Does she take him on a romantic getaway to her favorite dumpster?

Maybe they do a His and Hers trip to the STD clinic?

Give into their furrie fetish and buy matching animal outfits?  I suggest ferret and wolverine.

Maybe she surprises ButtBiscuit with a pristine copy of "Size is Just a Number" when he gives her a week's supply of "World's Best Granny" panties?

There are just so MANY big steps for Phyllis - and ButtBiscuit - to take in this epic love story.

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1 hour ago, miamama said:

So July 4 spoiler says "Phyllis takes a big step in her relationship with Billy."

So the love story continues. Jack is written like a fucking idiot for MONTHS, treated like shit, insulted, seen as positively repulsive to his wife for no other reason than to justify these newbies getting a front burner love story. 

Wow. I got nothing but wow.

I don't even get what could possibly be new here. Her saying ILY? I personally don't need the words for it to be a "big step." Her trash behavior already says it all. She loves Billy. Jack is practically some random she just met. A "big step" would be her telling Jack, divorcing him, and choosing Billy. 

What will happen with Philly when they no longer have to sneak around and do the heavy-breathing OMG sex! routine? Hmm.

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On 17/06/2016 at 4:13 PM, Anna Yolei said:

Tv has changed, but basic story structure hasn't. When I want to see assholes be assholes for no reason, I can watch Archer or It's Always Sunny in Philadephia. But even there, things makes sense within the universe.

I miss the old days where there were more white hats and black hats on soaps. When a good girl did go "bad," like Jill Foster, it was a long time in the making. The biggest thing is that it was all entertaining throughout because I care about them as characters.  I don't care about anything today, beyond the history of the show being eroded.

I miss the old days too but they are over.. and not coming back..Y&R is not the only soap that can't get it right.So I either watch them as is.. or I come here to bitch LOL

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