S02.E09: Conflict

[Chief Queef]

Wait, did Sean just use a hammer to pound a SCREW into the wall? And it looked like he really tore up the drywall%u2014it'll take some serious spackle to get the security deposit back on that short-term lease. I could not cope with someone who can't handle basic household tasks and can't even have a disagreement without emotionally shutting down and regressing to his childhood bullying. Davina is no prize either but that dude is a MESS.

The therapy sessions were bullshit. I hate this "the experts fixed all our problems in 5 minutes!" narrative, it's so disingenuous and scripted. And Dr. Joseph freaks me out. His advice is odd, his speech and delivery are odd, he looks odd, and he looks even odder when he smiles. I'm still not convinced he isn't a sentient robot who terminated a kid at prom and stole his tuxedo jacket.

[Snarklepuss]

True, but at the same time, the location issue was also there before they had sex. So if that was such a dealbreaker for him, maybe he shouldn't have led Jaclyn on by having sex with her and making her think that he was serious about this marriage. I think it's more likely that he started to get annoyed by her personality and by her pronounced need for physical intimacy.

 

And, like others have mentioned, interestingly, when Jaclyn was away, instead of visiting his mother and niece, he invited his friends over to drink and play cards. (Of course, we don't know if he did or did not visit his family during this time, but if he did, it wasn't shown.)

 

Things are definitely not black and white, and nobody is perfect, that's for sure. :)

 

I agree that maybe he should have known better, but looking back to what I know about guys his age a lot of them don't realize that women often interpret having sex differently than they do.  Women can often attach meaning and significance to it that men don't.  If she had gotten into bed with him and said, "I'm ready to have sex with you because I finally feel like I want a lifetime commitment with you", I am sure he would have gotten right out and told her that having sex with her didn't necessarily mean that to him.  I'm sure he saw having sex with her as taking the relationship to a new level, just not the ultimate level that Jaclyn took it to that he saw in her behavior afterward.  He may have thought that in her mind it meant that he was finally out of the "friend zone" and into what we used to call a "going steady" phase, just not a pledge my undying love and commitment to you forever phase.

 

I have to say that this show creates a difficulty for the couples in that the fact that they are married up front leads them to believe they have the expectation of a lifetime commitment regardless of whether their spouses have the feelings to match it.   I think Jaclyn has been snagged by making the assumption that just because Ryan was pursuing her she had the whole thing in the bag because of the marital contract.  I think she forgot that they have 6 weeks to decide if they want to remain married and she didn't realize that Ryan had not made his decision and was intending to use every one of those 6 weeks to make it.  I can't imagine that she didn't discuss this with him or sense his ambivalence before having sex with him, so I can't totally let her off the hook for going through with having sex with him anyway.  I know I would have sensed it, then again I am more tuned into those things about men than other women might be.  I am wondering just how much they discussed their feelings about each other before she had sex with him.  If I were her I would have made damn sure he was on the exact same page with me before doing it.

[Waterlilly]

Maybe Ryan shouldn't have gott n down on one knee and proposed to Jaclyn. Maybe he was joking but some of us ladies would take that serious.

[suzeecat]

I'm glad that this group weren't the first season players, otherwise I doubt there would have been a second season.  The first season couples seemed to be more open, trusting and committed to the process than this season.  Maybe there was just more inherent chemistry between the first season couples.  At this point I'm not optimistic about any of these couples and am already hoping for a better batch the next time.

Edited May 14, 2015 by suzeecat

[bichonblitz]

So Jessica and Ryan are actors. Isn't anything real anymore? I officially hate this show now. 

[shopper73]

I agree that maybe he should have known better, but looking back to what I know about guys his age a lot of them don't realize that women often interpret having sex differently than they do. Women can often attach meaning and significance to it that men don't. If she had gotten into bed with him and said, "I'm ready to have sex with you because I finally feel like I want a lifetime commitment with you", I am sure he would have gotten right out and told her that having sex with her didn't necessarily mean that to him. I'm sure he saw having sex with her as taking the relationship to a new level, just not the ultimate level that Jaclyn took it to that he saw in her behavior afterward. He may have thought that in her mind it meant that he was finally out of the "friend zone" and into what we used to call a "going steady" phase, just not a pledge my undying love and commitment to you forever phase.

I have to say that this show creates a difficulty for the couples in that the fact that they are married up front leads them to believe they have the expectation of a lifetime commitment regardless of whether their spouses have the feelings to match it. I think Jaclyn has been snagged by making the assumption that just because Ryan was pursuing her she had the whole thing in the bag because of the marital contract. I think she forgot that they have 6 weeks to decide if they want to remain married and she didn't realize that Ryan had not made his decision and was intending to use every one of those 6 weeks to make it. I can't imagine that she didn't discuss this with him or sense his ambivalence before having sex with him, so I can't totally let her off the hook for going through with having sex with him anyway. I know I would have sensed it, then again I am more tuned into those things about men than other women might be. I am wondering just how much they discussed their feelings about each other before she had sex with him. If I were her I would have made damn sure he was on the exact same page with me before doing it.

Yes, she thought he was committed to her, when in fact even his toast on New Years suggested he had not made a decision to stay married forever.

[Snarklepuss]

Maybe Ryan shouldn't have gott n down on one knee and proposed to Jaclyn. Maybe he was joking but some of us ladies would take that serious.

 

 

That's true, but wasn't that before they had sex and before she smothered him so much that he couldn't even breathe?  Of course he would want to marry the laid back Jaclyn that he can pursue but have reservations about the person she became after consummating the relationship.   She was holding something back from him after all.  OK she grew into more feelings for him but held back until after having sex, then became so different he began to have reservations about her.  And he's been whining about needing to be close to the family for weeks.  If she couldn't see that this was ambivalence about the relationship I don't know what to say.  I wouldn't necessarily take a proposal as a sign of anything except being a romantic when they're already married, but I agree that it's confusing given the way this show puts the end before the beginning.  It would be confusing for both of them at best.  I wouldn't be surprised if that proposal was staged by the show, either.

[CindyBee]

That's true, but wasn't that before they had sex and before she smothered him so much that he couldn't even breathe? 

 

No the proposal happened after they started having sex.    Timeline went something like this:

 

1. move into producer picked out place in Queens; order pizza and consummate the marriage

2. have lots of sex or at least that's what Ryan implies with his "her libido is off the charts" talking head bits

3. get home from New Years eve dinner; Jaclyn drops ring and it rolls under the stove so Ryan gets it out and proposes while down on one knee when he retrieves ring

4. Ryan pulls back for whatever reason, confusing Jaclyn

[SaucyMommy]

I'm glad that this group weren't the first season players, otherwise I doubt there would have been a second season.  The first season couples seemed to be more open, trusting and committed to the process than this season.  Maybe there was just more inherent chemistry between the first season couples.  At this point I'm not optimistic about any of these couples and am already hoping for a better batch the next time.

 

Yep - this cast is horrible

[BunnySlippers]

I agree that maybe he should have known better, but looking back to what I know about guys his age a lot of them don't realize that women often interpret having sex differently than they do.  Women can often attach meaning and significance to it that men don't.  If she had gotten into bed with him and said, "I'm ready to have sex with you because I finally feel like I want a lifetime commitment with you", I am sure he would have gotten right out and told her that having sex with her didn't necessarily mean that to him.  I'm sure he saw having sex with her as taking the relationship to a new level, just not the ultimate level that Jaclyn took it to that he saw in her behavior afterward.  He may have thought that in her mind it meant that he was finally out of the "friend zone" and into what we used to call a "going steady" phase, just not a pledge my undying love and commitment to you forever phase.

 

I have to say that this show creates a difficulty for the couples in that the fact that they are married up front leads them to believe they have the expectation of a lifetime commitment regardless of whether their spouses have the feelings to match it.   I think Jaclyn has been snagged by making the assumption that just because Ryan was pursuing her she had the whole thing in the bag because of the marital contract.  I think she forgot that they have 6 weeks to decide if they want to remain married and she didn't realize that Ryan had not made his decision and was intending to use every one of those 6 weeks to make it.  I can't imagine that she didn't discuss this with him or sense his ambivalence before having sex with him, so I can't totally let her off the hook for going through with having sex with him anyway.  I know I would have sensed it, then again I am more tuned into those things about men than other women might be.  I am wondering just how much they discussed their feelings about each other before she had sex with him.  If I were her I would have made damn sure he was on the exact same page with me before doing it.

 

I think this demonstrates why the whole concept of this "experiment" (as interesting as it is for us to watch the show) is so wonky. If the people who end up being matched have such different views and expectations about getting married in this way, then I'm not sure that making these people get married like this and open themselves up to a stranger (and the whole world), is fair to the person who is inevitably going to get hurt. I don't know if the experts discussed these issues with the candidates, but I can imagine that before they were matched, everybody had said that they were going to take this whole thing seriously, they were going to give it their all, and that they were in it for the long run, and not just to get a few weeks of fun and sex out of it. I'm not saying that Ryan went into this with that kind of attitude, and it's totally conceivable that his thoughts and feelings are along the line you have described. At the same time, I feel like if he was serious about wanting to make this marriage work, then he wouldn't behave as if they were just dating and were just making those first few steps of "going steady" and then figure out later how much commitment he was willing to give to Jaclyn - who, because of how this show is set up, is already his wife. To Jaclyn's credit, even though she didn't have any physical attraction to him in the beginning, she was willing to give him a chance and give this marriage her all.

 

I think if it was just a dating show, it's possible that Jaclyn wouldn't have had sex with him already. I agree that she felt (apparently, wrongly) that she was safe and secure in this relationship. But, who knows? We only see what the editors let us see, so I could very well be wrong.

 

I think you're absolutely right, though, that she should have made sure that she and Ryan were on the same page before she had sex with him. I tend to think that she didn't realize that he didn't really have those kinds of feelings for her, because she doesn't strike me as someone who would just throw herself at somebody like that, but it's entirely possible, too, that, because her feelings for him had changed and she'd been starved for sex, she decided to give it a shot. We don't know, and because of how little the producers show us, and how much they twist things around, it's really hard to tell.

 

I know I'm very curious to find out how their relationship will turn out in the end. They were the only couple I had hopes for, but now I'm not so sure.

 

Edited May 14, 2015 by BunnySlippers

[Snarklepuss]

No the proposal happened after they started having sex.    Timeline went something like this:

 

1. move into producer picked out place in Queens; order pizza and consummate the marriage

2. have lots of sex or at least that's what Ryan implies with his "her libido is off the charts" talking head bits

3. get home from New Years eve dinner; Jaclyn drops ring and it rolls under the stove so Ryan gets it out and proposes while down on one knee when he retrieves ring

4. Ryan pulls back for whatever reason, confusing Jaclyn

 

I'm thinking she must have revved up to a full boil after all this.  Plus, it looks like the ring episode was just a matter of being cute under the circumstances.  He must have thought her initial sexual enthusiasm would die down a bit but it probably didn't and after a while it totally overwhelmed him.  A woman that frisky can end up making any average guy feel woefully inadequate.  (Don't ask me how I know that, LOL).  This is life experience talking.  A woman has to pace things with a guy.  She can't expect him to be the energizer bunny all night even at that age.   I doubt his libido is any less than any average guy.  He doesn't strike me as a sexual putz.  I do think he's probably more conservative sexually than she is, though.  I have to wonder if she didn't reveal a kinky side that's totally squicking him out and it's the one big issue that's giving him these reservations.

 

 

I think you're absolutely right, though, that she should have made sure that she and Ryan were on the same page before she had sex with him. I tend to think that she didn't realize that he didn't really have those kinds of feelings for her, because she doesn't strike me as someone who would just throw herself at somebody like that, but it's entirely possible, too, that, because her feelings for him had changed and she'd been starved for sex, she decided to give it a shot. We don't know, and because of how little the producers show us, and how much they twist things around, it's really hard to tell.

 

Just from watching Ryan's talking heads it was obvious that he wasn't 100% invested in the relationship.  He was talking for weeks in front of her about his issues with being away from the family.  That was no secret to her.   I think hope springs eternal and she was lead on by all the other things going on like setting up an apartment,  and GETTING MARRIED just to name a few misleading things that could make her think things were farther along in his heart than they really were.  Of course, Ryan doesn't strike me as a great communicator either.  He strikes me as the kind of guy you have to pull everything out of and even when you do you can't be 100% sure it's representative of what he really feels deep in his heart of hearts.  I don't even think he really knows what he feels and that the entire process (not to mention Jaclyn herself) has confused him so much that even pulling it out of him might not have yielded any more accurate information.

[BunnySlippers]

Hmm, very good points! I haven't considered these things before. I thought he only started to complain about feeling homesick after they had sex, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice. ;)

 

I'm sure curious what will happen now. I guess I'll just have to wait and see. :)

Edited May 14, 2015 by BunnySlippers

[Jellybeans]

I once had a relationship with a man who "push/pulled"like Ryan is doing to Jac. The come here, go away kind of shit. Then one day when he said come here, I wasn't there. Jac should dump Ryan's ass and let him move back in his mom's basement.

[KYBlonde]

I can totally envision Jaclyn being VERY bossy in bed.  "More to the right!!! No - your other right!!!"  I see whips, chains, ball gags!! Bless your heart Ryan......

[sleekandchic]

Maybe maintaining the illusion that his hair and teeth are real has gotten overwhelming to Ryan? 24/7 maintenance for a woman's benefit is too much work for a mama-pampered guy like Ry. He'd prefer to grab a beer, lounge in his underwear, settle in for the ballgame on tv. In this episode, the beer-fueled poker game with male buds was much more illustrative of the authentic Ryan.

I personally refuse to plumb the inner depths of a guy who thought doing a show like this was a good idea. Its exhausting enough to understand people we actually know in RL. Trying to dissect tv-strangers' innermost motivations and traits is a waste of time, imo. To me, Ryan just LOOKS like a deer in headlights, and, he is his OWN number one problem. Not Jaclyn or her sex drive, not the niece, not the mother or brothers, not the family abode or the real estate job on LI. Ryan's problem is Ryan. Everywhere Ryan goes, he's still gonna find Ryan.

He's an able-bodied adult, presumably of sound mind and average intelligence. Ryan is responsible for his decisions, his happiness and his conduct. Blaming Jaclyn's personality or his prior-family responsibilities for his actions now is, to me, a cop-out. He needs to stand on his own feet. Jmo.

That said, I wont be surprised if the show still gives RyanR the hero's edit at the finale. What choice will the producers really have?

Edited May 14, 2015 by sleekandchic

[zxy556575]

I personally refuse to plumb the inner depths of a guy who thought doing a show like this was a good idea. Its exhausting enough to understand people we actually know in RL. Trying to dissect tv-strangers' innermost motivations and traits is a waste of time, imo.

 

Aw! It's pretty much my primary form of entertainment! :)

 

I didn't pay attention to their surroundings, but I guess I assumed that Ryan had scurried right back to Long Island while Jaclyn was out of town and that the poker game was held there. Or maybe the production company didn't want to haul their camera crew out and set up in a different location.

Edited May 14, 2015 by lordonia

[Jellybeans]

I have no problem with people who have false teeth. My daughter was born with seven missing adult teeth so of course something had to be done when she grew older.

[sleekandchic]

Aw! It's pretty much my primary form of entertainment! :)

 

I didn't pay attention to their surroundings, but I guess I assumed that Ryan had scurried right back to Long Island while Jaclyn was out of town and that the poker game was held there. Or maybe the production company didn't want to haul their camera crew out and set up in a different location.

:-) I do my fair share of analyzing and observational crap here, that's for sure! I do think, though, there's a fine line between commenting on what we see and judge from our unique standpoints versus trying to jump into tv characters' skins and ascribing motives and emotions to them that none of us can really know. Does that make sense?

I think Im feeling particularly sorry for Jaclyn's depiction as a sex-crazed succubus attacking the dainty, genteel Ryan. Yes, he brought up the sexual incompatibility issue in his THs, so the subject is fair game for discussion. But something else is happening, IMO, when Jaclyn's behaviors and desires are described as though we can KNOW for sure whats going on in their bed. None of us can KNOW for sure.

Jaclyn seems brash and loud, touchy-feely and openly affectionate. If Ryan hates those traits, so be it. But Im not comfortable painting Jaclyn as the problem. Just my opinion. :)

[Janet Snakehole]

I agree, sleekandchic. I am not getting how responsibility is only being passed on to Jaclyn for sleeping with him when she caught feelings. They got married and he spent time pursuing her. While I disagree with the notion that some have that Jessica made a mistake sleeping with Ryan the first night, I get it more than this.

I completely get that Jaclyn is a whole lot of personality. I was on Ryan's side of slowing down the talking about kids thing, and I do think she has a very "on" personality. I would not want to date someone like that (I would be friends with her though, I like her self awareness), but I think Ryan did seem into her. Time apart is great and needed in a relationship, but him pulling back to the point of not texting her is just cowardly. And I have to agree that it is not an issue of missing his family as much as he says it is, if the first thing he does when she leaves is hangs out with the buddies. Which again, there is nothing wrong with, but don't play up a sob story about your niece and then not use an opportunity to see her.

Frankly, as much as she seems exhausting, he is just as much so. She says what she means, and he just plays games and will not come out with what he means.

Edited May 14, 2015 by Janet Snakehole

[sleekandchic]

I have no problem with people who have false teeth. My daughter was born with seven missing adult teeth so of course something had to be done when she grew older.

And I hope that I didnt give the impression that I would have a problem with that either, Jellybeans. :)

What I'm wondering specifically with Ryan (hence my comment re maintaining illusion) is whether he's been open and honest about himself to Jaclyn, or if he is struggling to look a certain way 24/7. All of that would be mentally exhausting, imo -- the subterfuge, the maintainence.

[Jellybeans]

And I hope that I didnt give the impression that I would have a problem with that either, Jellybeans. :)

What I'm wondering specifically with Ryan (hence my comment re maintaining illusion) is whether he's been open and honest about himself to Jaclyn, or if he is struggling to look a certain way 24/7. All of that would be mentally exhausting, imo -- the subterfuge, the maintainence.

Good question but the editing on the show is awful. I can't tell what is going on. Season One played around with the editing too but at least you could root for someone or follow the story.

This season is a mess imo.

[Waterlilly]

Great point jellybeans regarding the editing! This week drove me crazy with the jumping around, it is hard to tell when something happened and the flow of events. Especially with Ryan and Jessica, I do not think the fighting and making up and New Years with friends and counseling happened in the order we saw it. The Sean and Davina in the park was the same scene as last week. Ryan R and friends, I had to look away because beer bottles kept appearing and disappearing. I feel like I am missing something important, this week was so confusing to me.

[Snarklepuss]

I don't single Jaclyn out for the problems in their relationship.  In my last post I said that the situation has set Jaclyn up for confusion plus Ryan himself is not the most communicative nor self aware guy on the planet.  Plus in many other posts I have said that he needs to cut the apron strings and grow up.  I think he is confused about his feelings for Jaclyn too, which both of them might share responsibility for.  He is responsible for not being so self or other aware and she is for helping to make him confused by coming on like a ton of bricks.  They are a great match in some ways but he has his reservations, some of which are very valid for him, and she is a very strong personality, the likes of which most people could probably not tolerate.  I don't think that makes him a bad guy or her at fault either.  I think responsibility for their problems is shared on both sides.  Just because in one post I come down on Jaclyn doesn't mean I couldn't spend hours coming down on Ryan too.  Plus I also think that the situation isn't making things easy for any of these couples.  Of course in the end it comes down to the fact that they are responsible for putting themselves in that messed up, unnatural situation so in that sense if they have expectations that it should work out like a fairy tale under those circumstances, I think they are being highly unrealistic.

 

Also, a show like this just begs for analyzing and looking for the inner motivations of the participants and I for one don't consider that a waste of time or I wouldn't have gotten an advanced degree in Psychology.  If I wasn't into that sort of thing I think I'd probably be happier watching something like "How it's Made" on the Science Channel.  Just sayin'.

Edited May 15, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[sleekandchic]

Is Dr. C gay?  Because that is the vibe I get from him.  I also got the same vibe from Sean from like the 2nd episode and still think he is at least bi.

butterbean1, I replied to your post in The Experts thread. :)

http://forums.previously.tv/topic/24626-the-experts/page-3#entry1148275

[Nicci Rocks]

Did anyone notice right after Jessica and Ryan D fight, Jessica had red hickie marks on her body and neck? Yea...it was the makeup sex duh!! That's what got Jessica all goosey goosey and "Well...maybe we can work it out" lol.  Same As RYAN D.  Once they had sex I noticed that morning, they were giggling on the way to the to see DR. C! Jessica should not be fooled.  Once the sex wears off and the cameras...he will go back to his abuse and making her feel like crap.  Seems like that's what he does best. 

[Neurochick]

I don't know about Ryan D.  I really don't sense that he's abusive.  Sometimes I think words like abuse, racist and bully get thrown around too often.  What I think Ryan D is, is an immature brat who needs someone to tell him so.  

 

I think the entire "experiment" is designed to fail and to bring about maximum drama.  These "experts" seemed to match people based on certain traits, which I get; but they didn't take other things into consideration, like Davina not wanting to leave Manhattan, or Sean not wanting to live in the city; or Ryan R's relationship with his mother and niece, or Jaclyn's not wanting to leave New Jersey.  I may be a 100% perfect match for a man who lives in Australia, but that won't work if he doesn't want to come to the US or I don't want to go to Australia.  People can be matched up based on psychological tests, but they also have to be matched up based on reality.

[molshoop]

I may be a 100% perfect match for a man who lives in Australia, but that won't work if he doesn't want to come to the US or I don't want to go to Australia

 

  You could both live half way in between.

[Bella]

I may be a 100% perfect match for a man who lives in Australia, but that won't work if he doesn't want to come to the US or I don't want to go to Australia

 

  You could both live half way in between.

 

And commute to your jobs from there, and visit family on the weekend, and just live your normal lives, except you'll be on a boat in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. But you need to be flexible and accommodating - that's what marriage requires, after all.

 

Yeah, this season is a major joke, and the kind of joke that falls flat and gets the comedian bumped off the list to return to the club.

[Passthepopcorn]

1- This episode was the most boring yet. It felt like a patchwork of random things. (My living room ended up all tidied up and clean though, lol.)

2- It gave me the sense that they are all doomed. It actually made Jess and RD look like the ones with the most chance.

3- Seeing the previews for next episode, I don't know what is more disturbing: Dev. sucking her big toe or Sean's friend telling him "f*** your wife, dude". Weird. And Geez.

4- Seeing the Lego sets I thought, "there goes $150. Can I have them for my kids? They won't go to waste.

 

Not much more to say...

 

 

[Snarklepuss]

Well, I don't think there is much depth to plumb in Ryan's case. He's an introvert, but there is nothing about him that seems to indicate that he has a rich inner-life waiting to be discovered.

 

I know!  I usually say, "Still waters run deep" but in his case I think there's only a kiddie pool, LOL.  Something about his monotone voice and whiney attitude says he's really just a mama's boy who wants a woman who'll take care of him, i.e., make sure there's always a fresh beer and a bowl of nuts by his side when he's watching the game.  I think Jaclyn wants the world and herself to believe she's that person, but I'm not buying it.  I think she needs someone with a more interesting personality.

[Neurochick]

I agree. I think he'll bore her after the cameras are gone.

 

Ryan R. bores me with the cameras there.  

Edited May 15, 2015 by Neurochick

[essexjan]

Okay that was an odd episode. 

 

1) It felt like filler to me and we're already not getting much with the "experiment" being only 6 weeks, so filler felt like a big cheat.

 

 

I've noticed that a lot of the content from the past 2-3 weeks seems to have been shot over the same short period of time with Sean/Davine and Jessica/Ryan. This makes me wonder if they split well before the end of the experiment, so there's been frantic editing of the little material available in an attempt to fill the schedule.

[absolutelyido]

I know!  I usually say, "Still waters run deep" but in his case I think there's only a kiddie pool, LOL.  Something about his monotone voice and whiney attitude says he's really just a mama's boy who wants a woman who'll take care of him, i.e., make sure there's always a fresh beer and a bowl of nuts by his side when he's watching the game.  I think Jaclyn wants the world and herself to believe she's that person, but I'm not buying it.  I think she needs someone with a more interesting personality.

 

That's exactly it. Ryan R is just not very interesting, I suspect because he may not be the brightest bulb on the tree. His talking heads drive me crazy because he continually says, "Me and Jacklyn this or that". Would you say "Me did that"? Of course not, you would say, "I did that", so the proper grammar is "Jacklyn and I did that".  (Ryan, I hope you are reading this.)

[cherry slushie]

Even easier - Me and person equals "us" and person and I equals "we". So he essentially said "us did this or that" instead of "we did this or that".  Sorry, in a weird grammar mode LOL

 

Now, tell me if I'm crazy and just seeing/hearing things, but, in the coming attractions, doesn't Ryan D. tell a friend that Jessica has great tits, using it as a positive point about their relationship? If I'm recalling this correctly, that's objectifying her.  Add that to the verbal abuse, and he's the epitome of a chauvinist pig.

[Kareem]

Another ride on the crazy train. Sean has too many feelings. Ryan R has not enough feelings. Jessica scares me in that she wants to work things out with a man like that. Her dinner with the mother-in-law seemed to be the most pointless thing I've seen in ages. I don't think she gained any insight into time bomb boy there.

Have to admit I snickered when Divina cut sensitive Sean off midsentence right in front of the doctor. Back to "ay ay, Capitain!" mode for you, Sean! Give up. There is no hope in making that thing happy. The advice he was given, to jump back in and fight for his demanding emotional wreck of a wife seems like a stretch for him. If the reality show rumors are true, I also find it hard to picture him analyzing his feelings at every stop of the Amazing Race.

I thought his mom was a big ole grouch. Now I understand her reservations at the beginning of this "experiment". I think the coworkers who label him a player must be hallucinating. If there were ever anyone who got no game, it's Sean. Still think he's gay.

Ryan R truly disappoints me. He unceremoniously dumps her on the bed in her wedding gown like a sack of potatoes, then he claims he wants "romance", then he resents the dude label, then he comes home and is still all in for sex, and then decides she's a lot to handle, that he misses his old life? Man needs to pick a direction and run with it.

At this point, I am hoping that Jaclyn comes out of this happy, one way or another. I think maybe the rest of them deserve whatever they get.

[Neurochick]

Now, tell me if I'm crazy and just seeing/hearing things, but, in the coming attractions, doesn't Ryan D. tell a friend that Jessica has great tits, using it as a positive point about their relationship? If I'm recalling this correctly, that's objectifying her.  Add that to the verbal abuse, and he's the epitome of a chauvinist pig.

 

 

I think that was Sean talking to someone about Davina.

[Waterlilly]

Well then Sean's a pig too, although Devina does have rather large breasts. I mean just sayin.... Ok back to my corner.

[JenE4]

So I attempted to watch this twice and yet somehow I missed practically everything but the Lego building and Jessica's dinner with Ryan's mom both times. So the highlight as far as I could tell was the scrumptious looking quiche and salad takeout that Davina was eating. That's all I got. (Shrug)

[cherry slushie]

I think that was Sean talking to someone about Davina.

Ahhh, okay.  Thanks for that!  Like Waterlily said, Sean is a pig.  He just wanted to be on TV and get laid. I'm thinking the only people who took this seriously are Davina and Jaclyn (maybe Ryan R.).  I still think Jessica did it for her career.

[mamey2422]

I think that was Sean talking to someone about Davina.

It was actually Sean's friend saying that to Sean. I thought it was Sean at first too and thought it was so inappropriate so I re watched. Sounds like his friend was telling him to get over his issues and have sex with Davina.

[cherry slushie]

It was actually Sean's friend saying that to Sean. I thought it was Sean at first too and thought it was so inappropriate so I re watched. Sounds like his friend was telling him to get over his issues and have sex with Davina.

So I called Ryan D. a chauvinist, then Sean a pig, then found out it was neither of them!!  Boy do I feel silly. The PMS witch is stirring the cauldron in mah belly!  My apologies!

[Canada]

I actually felt bad for Davina this episode.  She is annoying as hell, but she isn't wrong in her complaints about Sean.  However, instead of simply saying "he's a self-absorbed jerk who shows no interest in knowing more about me", which is a valid complaint, she's goes off on these waffling tangents that make no sense.  So the so-called expert then views that she's the one with the problem.  And Sean then gets to carry on being a dick.  Irritating.

[PityFree]

Well then Sean's a pig too, although Devina does have rather large breasts. I mean just sayin.... Ok back to my corner.

Yup. In fact, I noticed how incredibly LONG her cleavage was. And I don't think your cleavage is supposed to be long. She needs to spend her $$ on better bras.

 

Considering she went running in a parka with her hair down (?????), I doubt she bothers with a proper sports bra. 

[Waterlilly]

I absolutely do not mean this mean but I noticed that too! I have never seen such I long cleavage especially on someone young who has not had children. I always think of Staci on What Not Too Wear preaching about proper foundations.

[Snarklepuss]

LOL, I thought she needed a bra fitting too - Big WNTW fan here!  Davina needs a visit to Intimacy or Town Shop. I think she thinks that looks good!

[shopper73]

I think Davina shows signs of having been significantly heavier at one time. He arms are very loose, I noticed when she was in her wedding dress. It is her skin, not a muscle problem. I think she has lost a lot of weight, and it affected her boobs and probably her stomach. Maybe Sean got a better look and got turned off. I still don't like him though!