S02.E06: Moving In

[CindyBee]

 

 

I love Ryan and Jackie and I think they will do the best. They are both very thoughtful and considerate of the other. Ryan is so laid back and low key, but I think he's pretty funny, and Jackie likes to laugh. I smile whenever they're on. Which is good because Sean and Davina make me want to claw out my own eyeballs.

 

I knew I'd like Ryan when he deadpanned to Jaclyn "I'm unemployed" when she asked him what he did for a living after their wedding.  She busted out laughing when he told he was kidding and his real occupation and I think she's been laughing alot since.  

[Jack Sampson]

She and Ryan D are the biggest narcissists out there. There is a reason they are both still single. All they do is talk about themselves and how much money they have. What the heck does Ryan D even do for a living? I highly doubt he has that successful of a business. I don't believe he's spending $1500 a month on eating out. That's insane.

If you search for "Ryan Oehl" it comes up that he's the sales director for EPAY Systems - Northeast Region, Greater New York City Area.  I guess DeNino is his stepfather's name.

[SaucyMommy]

Dr. Logan said he's an entrepreneur and he said he's a business consultant. He says POS and Payment solutions to companies. Any Joe Schmo can do that job. This guy is ridiculous. My college friend was a MORON and worked for Paychex. Also on Ryan's Resume. What a joke.

[Wings]

If you search for "Ryan Oehl" it comes up that he's the sales director for EPAY Systems - Northeast Region, Greater New York City Area.  I guess DeNino is his stepfather's name. 

 

 

How did you know his last name?  I am impressed.  Well, unless it was mentioned on the show.  In that case, I rescind my awe.  

[Kareem]

Well, that was fun! Wow. Once again, Jaclyn and RR seemed to be the most relaxed, the most normal to me. She stays, she goes, who knows in the end, but they seem to communicate better than most. Davina's I-Me-itis continues at an alarming pace while Sean tries to determine whether relationships really are his bag. What a mess. Where's the seemingly together, gracious guy from the wedding?? I've lived in central Jersey all my life. Manhattan doesn't scare me. He seems not concerned but terrified! Unless the fear is of that maneater he met and married a week ago... Hmmm. Still feeling a bit sorry for Jessica, living with a man who may detonate at any moment...

[Snewtsie]

God help Sean if he does sleep with Davina, because she will just point out how it didn't match her expectations. And then she will make him talk about it with her for 14 hours.

[girlplease]

It probably wouldn't have made much difference in Sean's commute, but I don't see why Davina and Sean had to live all the way on the UES? Why not a further south part of Manhattan, or gasp, Hoboken? Wait, I think I just answered my own question.

 

That said, an hour and a half commute is nothing if you're in love. Sean was freaking out and didn't want to be there, period.

[Jack Sampson]

How did you know his last name?  I am impressed.  Well, unless it was mentioned on the show.  In that case, I rescind my awe.  

Impressed?  I thought it made me look creepy. 

[JapMo]

 

Uhm...his behavior during the honeymoon is enough for me or anyone else to detect an asshole. If his way of showing a partner affection is flipping her off a jet-ski, he's an asshole. And he asked "Why is that funny" in a very defensive tone. He steamrolled her with the closet situation and yes, she should have spoke up for herself but had she done that it would've been a huge blowup. Did you see the preview for next week? The guy is a straight up bully.

 

The question I responded to said Ryan was an asshole about the whole closet thing. You're going all the way back to the honeymoon, which was 2 episodes ago, to validate that point. Two episodes ago he was, IMO (because I tend to shy away from generalizing that anyone else or everyone else agrees with a statement) immature and kind of a jerk. Again IMO, he's been decent the last two episodes. I did not hear him say "Why is that funny" (I actually thought he said "What's so funny" but I didn't tape it so I can't be sure) in a very defensive way. His voice didn't sound hard or angry or irritated to me...it sounded like a genuine question. And I didn't see any steamrolling going on when he suggested he take the entire closet. I thought it was a little selfish to even think that a woman wouldn't want at least 1/4th of the closet, but he is a little selfish but how many men aren't? That's something that can be fixed, and Jessica could have teased him and said "oh right, yeah...like I'm going to let you take the whole closet". And you are totally assuming that she didn't do it because there would have been a huge blowup. They have had one argument that we have actually seen, and though it was a doozy, it was over two weeks ago in show time. I don't think that should be held against him forever. And yes, I have seen the preview for next week. There is another argument, but are you inferring that it's automatically all his fault? The preview shows he's angry, but I didn't see anything that showed he was a bully. You're opinion of him is your own business, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, and although he was presented in a pretty damaging way on the honeymoon (a lot of it was his fault, I agree), he seems to have been trying very hard these last two weeks to be a good husband. If he had been dismissive of Jessica's apartment and said "I won't live here" some people on this site would have been screaming about it, but he was very accommodating and said he would have no problem living there. I think that shows unselfishness and an ability to compromise. I don't see an abuser or a bully. Maybe future episodes will show something different but for now that's how I see it.

 

Dr. Logan said he's an entrepreneur and he said he's a business consultant. He says POS and Payment solutions to companies. Any Joe Schmo can do that job. This guy is ridiculous. My college friend was a MORON and worked for Paychex. Also on Ryan's Resume. What a joke.

 

Why is working at Paychex a joke? It's gainful employment.

[Wings]

Impressed?  I thought it made me look creepy. 

 

 

Creepy?  Nah, look outside your window.  I am the one standing there with a bouquet of sharpened pencils.  

[SaucyMommy]

I get you really like Ryan and feel compelled to defend him. Myself and many others do not like him. Paychex is sleazy sales much like pharmaceutical sales.

[Liberty]

Interesting that Ryan D had a somewhat modest apartment in Staten Island, yet spent quite a bit of money on eating out.  Everyone makes choices.

[Bella]

Okay, folks, it's getting too heated in here.

 

Let's all stand up, stretch, say "it's only a TV show and I don't know these people," and go look outside the window at the beautiful budding trees for a moment.

 

It's either that, or I make you all hug it out.

 

Thanks!

[humbleopinion]

How hard is it for one of those two Bickersons to suggest getting a couple of wardrobe racks so all their clothes can be hung up?

Both of them rush to the place where someone is being selfish and someone is being bullied/disrespected, exhausting to watch.

Their fighting is turning me off to their segments, switching over to the NBA playoffs and staying.

The Sean/Davina drama is getting to the point that we don't care about them, just shut up, Davina, shut up.

 

Ryan and Jacklyn will be the only reason I will stick it out to the end.

Oh and to discuss with you guys.

Edited April 22, 2015 by humbleopinion

[JapMo]

I get you really like Ryan and feel compelled to defend him. Myself and many others do not like him. Paychex is sleazy sales much like pharmaceutical sales.

I do not know the man. I do not feel compelled to defend him. This is a show I like and have followed since day 1, and I like to interact with others who also follow the show. I enjoy reading comments on this board because it makes me think and read different opinions. In that vein, I realize most of the postings about him have been negative. That's fine...everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What bothers me is that so many posts are making the leap from what was actually shown on the TV to speculation and out and out declarations of pretty serious statements that include he's abusive, is not attracted to her, isn't ready for marriage, has checked out, thinks less of her because she slept with him right away, and more. 

And most salesman are considered sleazy...it's a perception that goes way way back to the snake oil salesman in the late 1800s and probably earlier than that. I worked in a casino dealing cards for 8.5 years. Many people thought that was immoral and sleazy. I tried to tell them it was not Mafia run anymore and everything is on the up and up, but they wouldn't listen.  

 

Okay, folks, it's getting too heated in here.

 

Let's all stand up, stretch, say "it's only a TV show and I don't know these people," and go look outside the window at the beautiful budding trees for a moment.

 

It's either that, or I make you all hug it out.

 

Thanks!

(/quote]

Don't kick me off. I like it here.

[ElectricCityy]

All I am going to say is, Jessica said she didn't speak up about the closet because she didn't want it to be an argument. Judging by their dynamic so far, IMO it would have been an argument. Last episode I believe she stated she feels like walking on eggshells with him. That is all.

[SaucyMommy]

Throwing the stuff off the bed, taking her on a jet ski and crashing it, tipping the kayak 2 times, the fight in the restaurant, and the closet moment was dismissive of her needs. He does steamroll her. Even Dr. Logan last night said that Jessica will continue to be steamrolled if she doesn't speak up. I also don't like Jessica. I think she cries too much and has no spine. But thus far she's done nothing to deserve how Ryan treats her. I didn't find him accommodating of her needs at all.

[moonxyz]

Got around to watching the episode:

 

Ryan D and Jessica : We are at episode 6 and I still don’t get why this guy signed up for this show. He is decent looking, with lots of money and has never had troubles finding a girl, yet signs up for MAFS ? Huh ?

 

And he talks about trashy and walks around in a velour tracksuit and manky beanie cap pushed back ¾ of the way on his head. Jess is not as petty as l would be. I would have totally called him out on his thug attire.

 

I didn’t get the closet scene, I don’t think it was a big deal and I think FYI could have left that on the cutting room.
As much as I hate this pairing, I fell that they are being the most real out of the others. Not afraid to show the ugly.

 

 

Jaclyn and Ryan : Something about them seems fake. Jaclyn is faking the funk 100%. As I stated before the editing is showing this pair in a favourable light and skewing the real narrative IMO.

 

Ryan is still giving me blah. He is a nice guy but that’s it. His personality is too meek. I wonder if that’s what Jaclyn asked for. Someone who would let her have the spotlight and who she could boss around?

 

Davina and Sean : At this point I doubt they will  be able to stand each other at week 6. I think they will implode before. I don’t think either should have signed up for the show, let alone be selected. The « experts » completely failed with these two.

 

There are too many inherent negative traits attached to someone who is a self hater for one to have a healthy relationship. I don’t think she can have a healthy relationship without sorting out her identity issues.

 

I wish the « experts » would have put more weight into what the parents and friends think. For Sean, his parents were rightfully against him taking part to the experiment. Davina’s friend didn’t believe the marriage would work and he is right.  So much for your bullshit « instruments » Dr C.

[Bella]

Okey-dokey. I tried a light approach, but you're continuing.

 

I'm editing posts. 

 

Word to the wise: Do not use the word "you" in your posts or try to characterize other people's opinions. State your own opinion and move on from there.

 

And if you've stated your opinion a few times, accept that you're not going to convince people who think differently. All of you are entitled to your opinions, whatever they may be. You're also entitled to state those opinions here. You are NOT entitled to get pissy with each other or restate the same thing into infinity.

 

I'm a nice person and I like this forum, but this line of discussion has made me grumpy. Don't make me get grumpier.

[Liberty]

 

Ryan D and Jessica : ... I still don’t get why this guy signed up for this show. He is decent looking, with lots of money and has never had troubles finding a girl, yet signs up for MAFS ? Huh ?

 

And he talks about trashy and walks around in a velour tracksuit and manky beanie cap pushed back ¾ of the way on his head. Jess is not as petty as l would be. I would have totally called him out on his thug attire.

 

A couple of excellent points!

 

He does have a sense of style I am not familiar with.

[Wings]

 

Ryan D and Jessica : We are at episode 6 and I still don’t get why this guy signed up for this show. He is decent looking, with lots of money and has never had troubles finding a girl, yet signs up for MAFS ? Huh ?

 

 

I think it is the lure of being on TV and the doors it could open.  We don't know how many others he tried. I doubt this was his first choice!   

Edited April 22, 2015 by wings707

[Jack Sampson]

Also, I'm beginning to think that every time someone uses the word "experiment", it's a line being fed directly from a producer.

[leighdear]

Ryan, shut up about leaving your mommy.

Seriously!  He's temporarily moving an hour down the road, not being embedded in a sniper unit in Afghanistan.  Dial it back a notch, buddy.

 

I still like him & Jaclyn the best.  Jessica is just such a bad actress to me.  I can't believe a single thing she says.

[JenE4]

I know the city is the ultimate in terms of culture and entertainment and diversity, but, you guys, Sean is from the home of Six Flags Great Adventure amusement park! He probably has season passes and a souvenier cup for discounted refills for the season! Ooh, boy, could you imagine Davina on rides? Nope, me neither. The way she was soooo far out of her comfort zone making a freaking snow angel, I can't imagine what she'd be like at an amusement park--the saddest patron of Six Flags ever. If I were him, I'd go to work and not come back!

Jessica and Ryan... Ugh! At least Davina is an entertaining-for-TV type of annoying. These two just make me want to call a crisis center on their behalf. If they were matched to solve each other's issues, please get a therapist in here STAT to explain how they would go about getting started. Jessica needs to learn to speak up, and Ryan needs to learn how to listen or ask for her to share her feelings. That closet/dresser thing was ridiculous. Just SAY something, Jessica! I really felt like Ryan was trying to get her to say whether it was a problem, but instead of ASKING whether it was okay, he was just stating that it was okay because she has the dresser. Also, Jessica said the one thing she had in the closet was her wedding dress. Why?! She still has her apartment; leave it there. Didn't everyone just bring what they'll need for a few weeks?

Good Ryan and Jaclyn are too adorable! I'm just loving them as a couple. She was too cute the way she was gushing over how she was just staring at his sweater and missing him. I really hope that the compromise location isn't still too overwhelming for both of them. I want to see these two live happily ever after. We need someone to root for in this mess!

Edited April 22, 2015 by JenE4

[cardigirl]

Also, Jessica said the one thing she had in the closet was her wedding dress. Why?!

I wondered that too, in the show.  I really don't like Jessica's pouty face which she seems to have on all the time.  She does need to speak up.  Men aren't mind readers...at least none of the ones I've known were.

 

I think I like Sean D and I feel a little bad for the way he's being portrayed.  Temper?  Yeah, he's got one, but so far he walks away when he feels he might get outta control.  He's married to someone who is so uptight around him, she doesn't seem to be able to let go.  I mean, when he said he liked to spend, I was all like "yay!!! A man who is willing to spend money!!"  I think those are pretty rare, for sure.  Most men are CHEAP! 

 

I don't think Jessica is the best match for him, not sure what the "experts" saw in her that made them think she and Sean would be able to communicate.

 

Still like Jaclyn and Ryan, and I hope that it's a real connection and not just something playing out for the cameras.  She does a real good job on her FB page of including the fans in the show.  And Ryan De Nino tries to.  Jess doesn't post much, Ryan R post some, and Sean posts kind of generic stuff. 

 

I talked with my daughter about this season and we agree that we are not hearing the couples say "We're married, we have to make this work" as much as last season.  I dunno, the whole feel of the show seems less sincere?  Of course it IS a reality show.

Edited April 22, 2015 by cardigirl

[zxy556575]

That said, an hour and a half commute is nothing if you're in love. Sean was freaking out and didn't want to be there, period.

 

Screw the commute! If Sean had the slightest interest in being near and/or having sex with Davina, he would have slept over. Not in any way implying that it was justified, but I can see why he was a target for bullying as a kid. His timid and frightened side was clearly on display in this episode. Easy pickings.

 

I'm somewhat doubting Ryan's interest in Jaclyn, too. He's so quiet and laid back. He barely had any reaction when she was snuggling with him on the couch and seemed to ever so slightly draw away when she kissed him. I hope he's not as tepid in bed as his demeanor would suggest. But then, maybe Jaclyn doesn't need that. I don't know these people!

Edited April 23, 2015 by lordonia

[JapMo]

I, too, was startled that Jessica complained about the only thing she had in the closet was her wedding dress.  I thought...how stupid if you didn't have a lot of space to put the one thing in there that you won't wear anymore.  But then I remembered...she's a newlywed.  Of course she would do that.  It's still very important to her.  Give it a few years and she'll realize it just takes up space.  

 

One of the posters above said this year seemed different - I agree.  It just doesn't seem as interesting. I think it's the selections. They're all OK...but just lacking in something.  I think I even like Vaughn & Monet more than any of these couples.  I'm still rooting for them, but not as invested.  Last year Jason & Courtney had such a sweet romance going on right away, and then you had Jamie being a total bitch to Doug so he was easy to root for.  I just remember at the end of the show when they had to make their decisions, I was absolutely convinced Jamie was going to ask for a divorce.  If you can call it a nail biter, that was what that was for me.  For this year, it's kind of like they selected three strong, dominant people (Davina, Ryan D and Jaclyn) with 3 passive people (Jessica, Ryan R and although he can be pretty strong and dominant too, I'll put Sean in here too because he constantly self-analyzes himself and bends over backwards to be accommodating).  And of those 3 passive people, it's like they're generic enough (especially Jessica and Ryan R) to be paired with probably a lot of people.  Last year you had a real doormat in Doug, but Jamie, Vaughn and Monet were anything but.  Jason and Courtney were so in sync with each other that I wouldn't call them passive or aggresive.

[kalamac]

RyanD is clearly a dick, but I don't see why Jessica should automatically get the closet on the basis of "SHE'S THE WOMAN" as the recapper stated...admittedly I say this as woman who doesn't give a fuck about storage (I keep my extensive t-shirt collection in a row of cheap laundry baskets lined up next to my bookshelves, and they get chucked in straight from the dryer without being folded).

[crazychicken]

In a bonus clip on the A&E site Sean said that he would need to leave at 5am and would get home at 9pm on a good traffic day. I would hate to do a 4 hour commute and a 12 hour shift in a demanding job and then come home to nagging about what I was doing wrong, that being said he probably could have stayed the first night since he didn't plan to come back for 2 days. It was funny to me though that the mention of Davina wanting more affection sent him running from the shoebox apartment.

[Bella]

DH is an attorney and has the expected complement of nice suits. I work from home a lot but need business clothes too. We could both argue for the closet, but we share it like I imagine most couples do.

Anyone entering a marriage should expect to share, and expect to share things they don't want to share. That seems rather basic. Yet I'm not seeing it much on this show.

[Gigi43]

I think I like Sean D and I feel a little bad for the way he's being portrayed.  Temper?  Yeah, he's got one, but so far he walks away when he feels he might get outta control.  He's married to someone who is so uptight around him, she doesn't seem to be able to let go.  I mean, when he said he liked to spend, I was all like "yay!!! A man who is willing to spend money!!"  I think those are pretty rare, for sure.  Most men are CHEAP! 

 

I talked with my daughter about this season and we agree that we are not hearing the couples say "We're married, we have to make this work" as much as last season.  I dunno, the whole feel of the show seems less sincere?  Of course it IS a reality show.

 

In general I think the first season of a reality show is the "realest" they get. The expectations are pretty low, people haven't figured out "the game" ect. Even in those HW shows, if you look at the first seasons a lot of them are a LOT different. When this season started to film, had Married At First Sight First Year begun? The first couples didn't know they'd continue but now this group is seeing Jamie and Doug extending their 15 minutes. But I really want Ryan and Jaclyn to be legit! ...And so does my own mother.

 

Re Men spending money: You should meet my brother! He doesn't waste money by any means, but geeze, when he does go out, well, he even insists now on going to the movie theater with recliners as seats, I'm always doing the "yeah, some place nice, right?" line from that Friends episode to him.  Ryan D liking to spend was fine with me, but I didn't get his whole thing about eating out. Like if Jessica wants to try too cook for you, and she likes going food shopping, what's the big deal? All the guys I know would love a girl that cooks as long as its good. That's what she's used too and I don't get the imposition he was acting like it was. He did seem better than Davina though in terms of not expecting Jessica to actually spend money she didn't want too last night, where as Davina wants Sean to pay for half of whatever she wants.

Edited April 23, 2015 by Gigi43

[crazychicken]

Only part way through the episode but WTH was that apartment/s that Jess & Ryan looked at that had the seperate bedroom across the landing. Do you need to lock your bedroom while going to the kitchen as they landing was open to anybody.

[ElectricCityy]

In general I think the first season of a reality show is the "realest" they get. The expectations are pretty low, people haven't figured out "the game" ect. Even in those HW shows, if you look at the first seasons a lot of them are a LOT different. When this season started to film, had Married At First Sight First Year begun? The first couples didn't know they'd continue but now this group is seeing Jamie and Doug extending their 15 minutes. But I really want Ryan and Jaclyn to be legit! ...And so does my own mother.

This season began filming in December and The First Year aired in January. I can't even see them doing First Year on these couples. No one is likable enough. They only have one good couple.

[Adeejay]

God help Sean if he does sleep with Davina, because she will just point out how it didn't match her expectations. And then she will make him talk about it with her for 14 hours.

 

I have a feeling that if Sean was "sleeping" with Davina, being in Manhattan would be a lot more tolerable.

[mamey2422]

In a bonus clip on the A&E site Sean said that he would need to leave at 5am and would get home at 9pm on a good traffic day. I would hate to do a 4 hour commute and a 12 hour shift in a demanding job and then come home to nagging about what I was doing wrong, that being said he probably could have stayed the first night since he didn't plan to come back for 2 days. It was funny to me though that the mention of Davina wanting more affection sent him running from the shoebox apartment.

Do you have a link for that clip? I couldn't find it on the website.

[sleekandchic]

So if things play out the way they seem to be playing out, MAFS season 2 will have one successful pairing.

Season 1 supposedly managed two workable marriages.

Three out of six equal a 50% success rate, which is basically the success rate in the RL world of happenstance meetups at work, clubs, church or your gf's housewarming party.

This social experiment's fabulosi instruments are kinda useless, I'm thinking.

[crazychicken]

Do you have a link for that clip? I couldn't find it on the website.

It was titled Davina demands Manhatten sorry i can't link from A&E on my tablet as it knows I am an aussie.

[Jack Sampson]

So if things play out the way they seem to be playing out, MAFS season 2 will have one successful pairing.

Season 1 supposedly managed two workable marriages.

Three out of six equal a 50% success rate, which is basically the success rate in the RL world of happenstance meetups at work, clubs, church or your gf's housewarming party.

This social experiment's fabulosi instruments are kinda useless, I'm thinking.

Exactly, and I'm not confident in Doug and Jamie's long-term prospects.  With the combined analytical power of these "experts", I'd expect something substantially better - anyone know eHarmony's success rate for married couples?  I'd bet it's better.

[Snarklepuss]

In a bonus clip on the A&E site Sean said that he would need to leave at 5am and would get home at 9pm on a good traffic day. I would hate to do a 4 hour commute and a 12 hour shift in a demanding job and then come home to nagging about what I was doing wrong, that being said he probably could have stayed the first night since he didn't plan to come back for 2 days. It was funny to me though that the mention of Davina wanting more affection sent him running from the shoebox apartment.

 

Yeah, I know that was what I was thinking knowing what the traffic is like that commute would be way more than 1.5 hours each way.

 

Regarding Ryan D and Jessica and the closet - My take on that is that Ryan was not being selfish about the closet - He saw that she was not using it and just said in effect, "Well OK, then I'll use the closet and you'll use the drawers" like it was the obvious solution.  He was telling her what he thought was a good solution based on what it looked like she wanted, not being selfish.  If she told him she wanted half the closet I really doubt he would have given her any resistance over it.  I got the feeling he was just saying that because she didn't put anything in the closet.  Perhaps he should have said, "If you don't need the closet then how do you feel about me using it for my suits and you can use the drawer?"  But really that would be a nitpick.  It wasn't like he was ordering her not to use the closet.  He was very easygoing about it.  I don't see any reason she could not have responded by telling him, "Oh yeah, actually I do need some of the closet, why don't we split it?"  But she for some reason can't do that.  She really needs to get over her past relationship baggage and speak up.  In this case he was not being a selfish douche, IMHO, but she was acting as if he was one.  He was actually trying to be a mind reader because she's not that open with him about what she needs.  I think he wants to know what she needs and would be willing to compromise if she would just tell him what they are.

[Kareem]

Remember last season when Monet chose to jam her brunch down Vaughn's throat? I wondered why she didn't just ask him if he had interest in going along one day instead of her "everybody likes brunch! You have to come! How can anyone not like brunch?! Brunch brunch BRUNCH!" Some in these couples seem to do the same. So Ryan doesn't ask and ends up calling the closet shots and Jessica goes into pout mode. Davina can't just ask what's his nose about his reservations and so he's doomed to a world of "I want you to pay close attention to my emotions!" and "I expect to be courted!" and "I expect you to love Manhattan!" and "I expect you to stay here and seduce and produce!". When this is all over, maybe they should sit and watch Ryan and Jaclin discussing their 80 mile issue over turkey clubs while smiling and finding a way... Just incredible to me that simple civil conversation is so alien to people their age. Editing aside, these people are a trip.

Edited April 23, 2015 by Kareem

[Neurochick]

All I am going to say is, Jessica said she didn't speak up about the closet because she didn't want it to be an argument. Judging by their dynamic so far, IMO it would have been an argument. Last episode I believe she stated she feels like walking on eggshells with him. That is all.

 

I have a feeling Jessica would feel that way no matter who her husband/boyfriend is.  My issue with Jessica is that what she's doing can be seen as passive/aggressive.  If you have something to say, say it, but for her to say to the camera, "I'm afraid we'll have a fight" bugs me.  Being with someone like Jessica would piss me off too.  I have a feeling that Jessica really doesn't know what she wants in a relationship.

 

As for Davina not wanting to move.  I think too often, the woman was always the one expected to sacrifice for the man.  I think Davina thinks that men are pigs, probably because of her father's behavior.  That's what I think Davina needs therapy.  If she believes that all men are pigs, nothing a man does will be good enough for her, they'll always be lacking in some way.  

 

On the other hand, one of the great things about living in Manhattan is that you don't have to know how to drive.  Does Davina know how to drive?  That could be an issue.  That was the reason Jessica didn't want to live in Staten Island, because she said she doesn't drive.  

 

Just incredible to me that simple civil conversation is so alien to people their age. Editing aside, these people are a trip.

 

 

I think the problem is people assume.  Because Monet and her friends probably like brunch, she assumed Vaughn would too.  Also people expect others to be mind readers, "Why should I have to tell you what I want and need?  Why don't you know that?  Shouldn't you know that?"  I've had people say that to me, "people should know that."  One thing I've discovered as I age is that some people don't know some things and you have to actually tell them, it doesn't mean they're stupid, but not everybody knows everything.  That's something these couples need to realize.  

 

I remembered something Jaclyn said in this episode.  She said that she cares about Ryan more now, and because of that, she knew they had to move to a place that worked for both of their commutes.  When you care about someone else, you want them to be okay.  On the other hand, Davina said about Sean, something like, "if a man wants something, he'll just go after it, no matter how hard it is" and "I want to be fucking courted."  Okay Davina, I really get that and I agree, but she already has the man, they're married and now he has to go to work.  He compromised 100% on moving to Manhattan, but it's easier for him to stay in NJ when he has to get to work.   Davina was pissed, but she never even thought about Sean's work, because IMO Davina doesn't care about Sean, and I don't think Sean cares about Davina either.

Edited April 23, 2015 by Neurochick

[shopper73]

I saw Davian's conversation with Sean as looking for him to express his feelings for her. She said she thought his aversion to the move to Manhattan was just a smokescreen. She expected that he would want to be with her. The conversation just portrayed her as selfish and nagging, and didn't get him to stay or open up. Maybe communication isn't everything! Maybe Sean needs to do things on his own terms rather than hers, but he acting in a passive aggressive way. She should back off, but I do feel for her. She is overly talkative and analytical, but so is Sean, and he is the one who is very one sided. He talks in monologues.

[humbleopinion]

If Sean speaks in monologues, Davina speaks in soliloquies.

[CindyBee]

I remembered something Jaclyn said in this episode.  She said that she cares about Ryan more now, and because of that, she knew they had to move to a place that worked for both of their commutes.  When you care about someone else, you want them to be okay.  On the other hand, Davina said about Sean, something like, "if a man wants something, he'll just go after it, no matter how hard it is" and "I want to be fucking courted."  Okay Davina, I really get that and I agree, but she already has the man, they're married and now he has to go to work.  He compromised 100% on moving to Manhattan, but it's easier for him to stay in NJ when he has to get to work.   Davina was pissed, but she never even thought about Sean's work, because IMO Davina doesn't care about Sean, and I don't think Sean cares about Davina either.

 

The difference between Jaclyn & Davina and how they approached being married to guys who do NOT live in their immediate area is indeed striking.  Jaclyn could have dug in her heels and not compromised and she and Ryan would have been doomed. But cause she is beginning to have feelings for him, she was willing to move out of her comfort zone cause that is what one does when you care about someone. 

 

And yeah its obvious that Davina doesn't care one bit about Sean.  She just wants her "fairytale" and who cares if that's so ridiculous its laughable   

[Kippy]

My opinions:

Ryan and Jacalyn - these two are cute. They look like they are having fun and being a normal new relationship couple. I think they have great communication and are navigating this craziness amazingly.

Sean and Davina - these two are awful. I found Sean somewhat offputting in the early episode, mainly because he looks like a horrible kisser. However, Davina is unbelievable. She screams compromise but only he should participate. The whole situation regarding the move was irritating. Any move is stressful and a lot of work. When you add in the distance he is moving and the culture shock of suburbia to manhattan he is obviously going to be overwhelmed and even grumpy. Do not then demand to be courted. Have some compassion.

Ryan D and Jessica - these two are the in between couple for me. I dont find them awesome or awful. I like them both seperately but not together I think. Nothing that he has done has bothered me at all. The playing on the honeymoon with the jetski and kayak was funny to me and I would do the same things. Its like when my husbands foot falls asleep my favorite thing to do is run after him to step on it and watch him flail around on a foot that isnt working properly. Not nice but super fun and funny. I get his point in the argument they had. He told her that he thought the piercing looked good on her but he normaly thought they were trashy. Then she gets defensive and it spirals from there. It is frustrating when you feel like what you said is being taken the wrong way and your having trouble explaining your way out. He can have opinions and should be able to share them with his wife. If she had said I usually hate tatoos and thing they are gross but on you they look sexy it would be totally acceptable. His reaction was a flight reaction to get away from and an attacking situation before attacking back. He needed to cool of and that is fine. The latest issue with the closet space was also a non issue. There were two closets and he said that she already had stuff in the other one. If she wanted more she should have said something. I think these two could have worked if they had started as a normal couple. They would have slowly learned how to communicate with each other and what works and what doesnt.

[shopper73]

Things look bad for Sean and Davina since they are not even physically together! And no hug or kiss good- bye either, Sean ran out of there.

When Jessica and Ryan were going to sleep in their new apartment, Jessica was trying to be close and Ryan is just not the affectionate type, Jessica needs to think about that reality. How were they ever matched? I know eharmony addresses that.

The previews: Ryan is storming out again. Jessica looks unhappy and it doesn't look like acting to me.

It looks like Sean comes back for New Years. The show must go on!

[Neurochick]

The difference between Jaclyn & Davina and how they approached being married to guys who do NOT live in their immediate area is indeed striking.  Jaclyn could have dug in her heels and not compromised and she and Ryan would have been doomed. But cause she is beginning to have feelings for him, she was willing to move out of her comfort zone cause that is what one does when you care about someone. 

 

And yeah its obvious that Davina doesn't care one bit about Sean.  She just wants her "fairytale" and who cares if that's so ridiculous its laughable   

 

This is totally true.  Both Ryan and Jaclyn compromised for their marriage.

 

I think Davina has a bad opinion about men and she feels that if she compromises just a little bit, that means she's giving in.  For decades the woman was always the one who had to compromise because usually it was the man who made the most money, but today that has changed.  I think Davina and Sean could have sat down like two intelligent people and tried to figure out a place that was best for both of them.  

[moonxyz]

Things look bad for Sean and Davina since they are not even physically together! And no hug or kiss good- bye either, Sean ran out of there.

When Jessica and Ryan were going to sleep in their new apartment, Jessica was trying to be close and Ryan is just not the affectionate type, Jessica needs to think about that reality. How were they ever matched? I know eharmony addresses that.

The previews: Ryan is storming out again. Jessica looks unhappy and it doesn't look like acting to me.

It looks like Sean comes back for New Years. The show must go on!

 

 

Yes. I forgot about that scene. He didn’t want to cuddle and puts a cushion between them to accentuate the fact that he doesn't want her to touch him.

 

Last week I though he made an effort with the long phone call, but he reeled her in just to push her away. If she decides to stay (which looks unlikely), she will be miserable.

[moonxyz]

Last time Jessica spoke up Douche blew up and lost his shit. She knows that she has to pick her battles with this guy or else they will be fighting 24/7.
A closet isn't worth unleashing the beast. Unfortunately some relationships are like that, you vent in your corner and you don't discuss every single thing.

 

I bet if she did highlight his every douche act (there are many), he would probably see her as nagging.

[ElectricCityy]

Last time Jessica spoke up Douche blew up and lost his shit. She knows that she has to pick her battles with this guy or else they will be fighting 24/7.

A closet isn't worth unleashing the beast. Unfortunately some relationships are like that, you vent in your corner and you don't discuss every single thing.

 

I bet if she did highlight his every douche act (there are many), he would probably see her as nagging.

This is exactly what I am seeing.