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Black Knight

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14 hours ago, mojoween said:

This is going to sound sore loserish because, well, I am, but the fact that there were total crickets from baseball commentators about how absolute shit Ohtani was during the World Series, but Aaron Judge was the worst player in the history of the sport *even though all of his stats were better than Shohei* will never not piss me off.

Ohtani injured his shoulder in the second game and dealt with it the rest of the WS, and had surgery on it a few days after the series ended. I'm not sure why the Dodgers even put him out there again at all, but it was hilarious that he got walked when he couldn't really swing a bat and had to hold his arm in place while moving around the bases so he wouldn't mess his shoulder up further. In any case, that's why the commentators talked about Judge and not Ohtani, because Judge wasn't injured.

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catlover79
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A's fans were still able to make their fury at the Astros known when the teams played in Oakland last night. They may not be physically allowed in the stadium, so they did the next best thing:

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I read that Houck said he was "bummed" that he would missing a start. Hmmm, if only there was something he could have done to make sure he could play in every park. 

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1 hour ago, Black Knight said:

Ohtani injured his shoulder in the second game and dealt with it the rest of the WS, and had surgery on it a few days after the series ended. I'm not sure why the Dodgers even put him out there again at all, but it was hilarious that he got walked when he couldn't really swing a bat and had to hold his arm in place while moving around the bases so he wouldn't mess his shoulder up further. In any case, that's why the commentators talked about Judge and not Ohtani, because Judge wasn't injured.

That was certainly my impression.  Ohtani was playing with a serious injury that greatly affected his ability to swing a bat.  For the announcers to criticize his lack of hitting in the Series would've been ridiculous.  

Meanwhile, Judge was apparently in a good a condition as possible at the end of a long season and he also made one of the most boneheaded errors ever seen in a game, let alone a World Series.  He is a great player, but he wasn't even adequate in the Series.  The announcers, who otherwise fell all over themselves praising the Yankees as they always do, had every right to point out that Judge was a major disappointment and they were absolutely right.

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baldryanr

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9 hours ago, Notabug said:

Meanwhile, Judge was apparently in a good a condition as possible at the end of a long season and he also made one of the most boneheaded errors ever seen in a game, let alone a World Series.  He is a great player, but he wasn't even adequate in the Series.  The announcers, who otherwise fell all over themselves praising the Yankees as they always do, had every right to point out that Judge was a major disappointment and they were absolutely right.

Plus Judge hasn't exactly been Mr. October throughout the rest of his time.  His career postseason BA is .205 (58 games), so the small sample size argument is falling apart.  There are a lot of player who think true greatness is performing well under real pressure (see all the people who criticize Mike Trout) and for the most part Judge hasn't.

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Jane Tuesday

Jane Tuesday

Baseball needs to wake the fuck up before they lose every fan outside of California and New York.

Yes, deferrals have long been a thing. But it was always, pay most of it during the contract, and save a small portion back as basically an extra pension. There's a huge difference between that and what the Dodgers are doing.

And to answer all the "any team could do this" people... no. Most teams could NOT do this. Pay more, yes. But there are only a tiny handful that have the cachet to convince superstars to leave money on the table.

I officially care less about baseball today. 

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bosawks

bosawks

48 minutes ago, Jane Tuesday said:

Baseball needs to wake the fuck up before they lose every fan outside of California and New York.

Yes, deferrals have long been a thing. But it was always, pay most of it during the contract, and save a small portion back as basically an extra pension. There's a huge difference between that and what the Dodgers are doing.

And to answer all the "any team could do this" people... no. Most teams could NOT do this. Pay more, yes. But there are only a tiny handful that have the cachet to convince superstars to leave money on the table.

I officially care less about baseball today. 

I'm a fan of 2 different big market teams and I still hate this.  

I know the NFL and MLB aren't the same but I do think there is value and looking at the NFL and how small market teams can still draw interest if marketed correctly.  

I think a marketing job in MLB is either the worst or best job on the planet. I can't decide whether you wouldn't have to do anything or if you work your ass off to have nobody listen or follow up.

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AimingforYoko

AimingforYoko

This is why the NFL is the #1 sport in America. With TV revenue sharing, the fans know that every team has a shot and only mismanagement (Dallas, NY Giants, Jets) will prevent you from winning. Hell, the top team resides in Kansas City, MO.

Unfortunately for MLB, no national TV outlet is going to pay what they pay the NFL, so the owners will never agree to the NFL model.

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NUguy514

NUguy514

2 hours ago, Fukui San said:

Weirdly, I think the MLB has had more variety in its champions than the NFL in the past 15-20 years or so. The importance of the QB tends to tilt results that way.  
 

The Ohtani contract,  though, seems like something a League should not allow for competitive balance.  

I immediately thought you were right about this, but this isn't actually the case.  There have been thirteen different World Series winners and thirteen different Super Bowl winners in the last twenty years.  If you look at the last fifteen years, there have been ten different World Series winners and eleven different Super Bowl winners.  That really surprised me, but there have been more baseball teams that have repeated (the Red Sox, the Giants, the Cheaters, the Dodgers, the Cardinals) in both time periods than there have been football teams that have repeated (the Patriots, the Chiefs, the Giants, the Steelers).

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ProudMary

ProudMary

Some offseason signing info from Bob Nightengale via Bluesky. (I like their "Copy Text" option as we can't automatically embed here. Hopefully,  someday.)

Five Scott Boras starting pitchers have now signed:


Blake Snell, Dodgers: 5 years, $182 million.
Yusei Kikuchi, Angels: 3 years, $63 million.
Frankie Montas, Mets: 2 years, $34 million.
Matthew Boyd, Cubs: 2 years, $29 million.
Nick Martinez, Reds: 1 year, $21.05 million.

ProudMary

ProudMary

No, no, no, no, no, no, NO! Is Manfred just throwing things out there to see how far he can push the envelope?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mlb-commissioner-says-there-s-buzz-about-a-golden-at-bat-rule-what-is-it/ar-AA1v98R9

“There are a variety of things that are being talked about, out there. One of them, there was a little buzz around it at an owner’s meeting, was the idea of a ‘Golden At-Bat.’ That is, putting your best player out there, out of order, at a particular point of the game,” Manfred said.

Manfred didn’t elaborate on the rule or the “buzz” surrounding it, but the notion of a one-time slugger swap has been talked about for years. Jayson Stark, of The New York Times’ The Athletic, delved deeper into the possible ways the rule could play out, claiming he’s heard several variations.

Of those, Stark explained that a “Golden At-Bat” could involve both teams getting a once-per-game pass to substitute a hitter, or maybe just one team (whichever team is trailing in a later inning). He also brought up the possibility that a player could potentially bat twice in a row, if he’s called out on his first-at bat in the inning.

 

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ProudMary

ProudMary

15 hours ago, DMK said:

Sounds like someone was reading the Banana Ball rulebook. That’s a rule from Savannah Bananas games.

Interesting. I didn't know this. So yeah, that's definitely where I'd like MLB to get ALL of its rules moving forward. 🙄

I actually had high hopes for Manfred, especially following Bud Selig's reign. I figured there was nowhere to go but up. Boy, was I ever wrong! Manfred has been a huge disappointment. 

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mojoween

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Michael Kay got all snippy with everyone dogpiling on Manfred’s shitty idea and was like even if Michael himself didn’t think it’s a good idea, what is wrong with the commissioner trying to juice the game?  (Juice was his phrase)

And since we aren’t talking about steroids, Michael, the game doesn’t need to be juiced!  It just doesn’t!  

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Carey

Carey

It's been a minute since I could recall the details of that, so I don't recall this second whether there was a "golden base-runner" rule.

I think I wouldn't have a big issue if this came into play during extra innings.  I'm not a fan of a golden-at bat rule or the like in a sport that lacks a salary cap.  At least the timed at bat & pitch clock wasn't a big change (still different but really just sped up the game).

ProudMary

ProudMary

This disappoints me. I truly wanted Sevy, who was my favorite as a Yankee, back in the Bronx, even though I didn't think Cashman would do it. The idea of Sevy having to languish in Sacramento bugs me no end. I had been happy for him in that the Mets were going to field a very good team in '24 and in that he didn't have to leave NYC. This sucks. At least the money's good.

From CBS Sports:

Luis Severino, Athletics reportedly agree to $67 million deal, the largest in franchise history

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Lantern7

Lantern7

12 hours ago, ProudMary said:

This disappoints me. I truly wanted Sevy, who was my favorite as a Yankee, back in the Bronx, even though I didn't think Cashman would do it. The idea of Sevy having to languish in Sacramento bugs me no end. I had been happy for him in that the Mets were going to field a very good team in '24 and in that he didn't have to leave NYC. This sucks. At least the money's good.

From CBS Sports:

Luis Severino, Athletics reportedly agree to $67 million deal, the largest in franchise history

I'm stumped as to why anyone would volunteer to go to Baseball Limbo. Was the other offer $80 million from the White Sox?

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ProudMary

ProudMary

From CBS Sports:

Baseball Hall of Fame: Dick Allen and Dave Parker elected into Cooperstown by Classic Baseball Era committee

The Classic Baseball Era Committee has elected Dick Allen and Dave Parker to the Hall of Fame. 

Parker was named on 14 of 16 ballots and Allen on 13 of 16 ballots as the only candidates to reach the 75% threshold necessary for election. Coming up short were Tommy John (seven votes, 43.8%) and Ken Boyer, John Donaldson, Steve Garvey, Vic Harris, and Luis Tiant, who each received fewer than five votes.

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