S31: Spoilers

[anthonyd46]

If what Varner said is true about Kimmi not liking Savage, that might appeal to someone like Stephen.  So Kimmi could have Spencer/Kelly Wigles/Stephen.  The bigger question is, would Spencer and Kelly vote with Kimmi?  Or would one or both of them use her betrayal to instead get her voted off.  Spencer seems to be wanting to get close to Jeremy, so he may not want to go behind his back with a vote.  While I think it is unlikely Kimmi is going anywhere, she seems like she's heading for a big edit and will be part of the showdown next week.  If Kimmi goes, then I wonder if Joe is next, and that might make the photo of them with Jeff make sense.  I wouldn't be surprised if we get a surprising boot coming up (someone like Kimmi, who is thought to go far because of her weight loss).

 

I still wouldn't rule out Monica being the "her" in that press release.  She is seen wanting to form an all girl alliance, if Spencer gets wind of her not wanting to vote Kelly off, he could take that back to the other Bayon members and say that she is planning to form an all girl alliance.  

The thing that is throwing me off here is the tease tells us this her takes the risk. Yet the chat tweet acts like someone is flip flopping and can't decide whether to vote against their alliance or not. Isn't that contradicting? Thats why it seemed to me like they are talking about two different people. 

Edited October 16, 2015 by anthonyd46

[LadyChatts]

I took it to be the same person-someone risks ruining their position in the game by flip flopping, and that asks whether you would play it safe or flip flop.  I guess it could be referring to two different people.  We saw Spencer plotting with Monica this week about taking out Kelly Wigles, yet Monica wants to play the Parvati and do an all girls alliance.  Monica also said she would play the flirt to get information out of people and get them on her side before cutting them loose.  She may take that to Kimmi or Kelly, and neither of them may bite.  She may suggest keeping Spencer or Kelly and voting off a big threat like Jeremy, who may be harder to get rid of down the road.  Kimmi may also go against what Jeremy and Monica want to do and try to recruit Stephen, Spencer, and Kelly if she believes she's being targeted or that Monica may be untrustworthy.  Obviously we've seen extremely little of Bayon and their dynamics, minus the alpha males and poor Stephen failing at everything.  This could backfire on Kimmi.  I wonder if Bayon purposely throws the challenge?

[anthonyd46]

I took it to be the same person-someone risks ruining their position in the game by flip flopping, and that asks whether you would play it safe or flip flop.  I guess it could be referring to two different people.  We saw Spencer plotting with Monica this week about taking out Kelly Wigles, yet Monica wants to play the Parvati and do an all girls alliance.  Monica also said she would play the flirt to get information out of people and get them on her side before cutting them loose.  She may take that to Kimmi or Kelly, and neither of them may bite.  She may suggest keeping Spencer or Kelly and voting off a big threat like Jeremy, who may be harder to get rid of down the road.  Kimmi may also go against what Jeremy and Monica want to do and try to recruit Stephen, Spencer, and Kelly if she believes she's being targeted or that Monica may be untrustworthy.  Obviously we've seen extremely little of Bayon and their dynamics, minus the alpha males and poor Stephen failing at everything.  This could backfire on Kimmi.  I wonder if Bayon purposely throws the challenge?

I'm not sure they would throw it. I think that photo of Monica, Stephen, Jeremy shocked would have not happened yet so maybe its a reaction to losing the challenge. I originally thought it was after Terry, but no one else here makes sense but Monica. Then again Varner had a big edit and was 17th place so I guess anyone can go anytime really. Jeremy's picture was on a weird angle and we didn't see his whole body so that one I was always skeptical on. I just don't see where Kimmi gets the votes here to boot Monica? The best she can really do is tie. She isn't really going "against" her alliance if the vote is 5-1 at that point they all feel Monica is not wanted. It made it sounds like the alliance of whoever was solid and this person was breaking off to vote differently. Even if Kimmi does vote differently like I said whats the best she can do tie? I feel like Kelly wigs is not setup for a boot yet, Spencer and Jeremy have more to their story (again though we thought Varner did too and out he went), Kimmi I guess could go but the weight loss makes me want to think not yet, so its really Monica or Stephen I guess. And for it to be Stephen would be weird because he's in the majority right now. Watch we did all this bayon speculating and it winds up being someone else going to TC and they tricked us with the press photos. 

Edited October 16, 2015 by anthonyd46

[Zuleikha]

Stephen's not really any weirder than Monica, though. They're both in the majority. It seems like the main reason to think it's Monica is because she got screentime; Kimmi doesn't trust her; and the bootlist has her going now. But if the spoiler is true that Jeremy's idol is discovered and there's conflict as a result, that could potentially rebound on Stephen. Or it could be as simple as Kelly goes in a predictable boot; she never has a storyline pay off because she wasn't good TV; and everything else is just smoke to distract us. It doesn't seem like we have anything substantial to go on other than Kimmi's weight loss means she probably doesn't go yet, Spencer's girlfriend's social media stuff means he probably doesn't go yet, and Jeremy's idol means he probably doesn't go yet.

[anthonyd46]

Stephen's not really any weirder than Monica, though. They're both in the majority. It seems like the main reason to think it's Monica is because she got screentime; Kimmi doesn't trust her; and the bootlist has her going now. But if the spoiler is true that Jeremy's idol is discovered and there's conflict as a result, that could potentially rebound on Stephen. Or it could be as simple as Kelly goes in a predictable boot; she never has a storyline pay off because she wasn't good TV; and everything else is just smoke to distract us. It doesn't seem like we have anything substantial to go on other than Kimmi's weight loss means she probably doesn't go yet, Spencer's girlfriend's social media stuff means he probably doesn't go yet, and Jeremy's idol means he probably doesn't go yet.

Good post there. Kelly I guess could just get an up in screen time this episode if she is booted, however what Jeff means by different season I think is there is going to be character that met expectations and ones that were expected to do a lot more and just never had the content to meet them. Kelly might be one of those expectation downers. I also feel we might get a couple Jeff Varners that look like a long story, but don't make it that far aka Josh, Jeremy in SJDS. Usually people out early or early merge might not get the greatest story, but I think for some it could be different this season. I agree its Monica, Kelly, or Stephen (even though I feel he is being setup for a savage reunion but the Jeremy idol discovery could mean his doom too). The other 3 I think still have storylines or weight loss in Kimmi's case connected to them.

[LadyChatts]

Probst said that Kelly Wigles had a story to tell (I'd have to go find the exact quote, but I can't believe we'd get that in one episode-unless her story is she came back after all these years and is content with just getting to play one more time).  So even though I'm not ruling out anyone at this point, it could be her.  Jeremy's idol could get found out and someone could flip at TC.  Maybe they do force a tie in case Jeremy uses his idol, but he takes the risk and doesn't.  If it is a tie, they'd do a re-vote first, right?  Could Kimmi or Monica then flip on the re-vote instead of going to rocks?  I think Kimmi could get Stephen.  If she doesn't like Savage, and they know/suspect he's not with them, (and I don't know if Stephen cares for Savage that much), that would be 2 votes against old Bayon.  But, like I said, would Spencer and Kelly vote with Stephen and Kimmi against Jeremy or Monica?  I don't know about Monica, but Spencer/Jeremy seem to have something going there.  And they may not want to lose the one person who is arguably the strongest on their tribe.  There may be a potential tie being forced, and someone flips, or attempts to flip, and gets caught, called out, or caught in a blindside (Stephen could get caught in the cross hairs).  I still think Monica is plotting something and it backfires.  They may feel he is the bigger threat down the road than Kimmi.  So many possibilities!  In a way, as much as I love having rock solid spoilers, sometimes this is more fun.  I am somewhat surprised TPTB got everything up so quickly.  It felt like the last couple of weeks there was very little being put out there, and it took a couple of days for that to happen.

Edited October 16, 2015 by LadyChatts

[anthonyd46]

Good points as well. I dunno I just feel if its 5-1 Monica out then the "her" didn't exactly vote against her alliance. If its 5-1 I feel Monica is exposed at that point of being a snake and isn't surprised at all. I think at worst it has to be 3-3. The way its worded its basically saying the alliance is voting this way and "her" disagrees and votes a different way. Now that I think about it a tie is a big risk so maybe that is what happens. 

Edited October 16, 2015 by anthonyd46

[Sarahsmile416]

Probst said that Kelly Wigles had a story to tell (I'd have to go find the exact quote, but I can't believe we'd get that in one episode-unless her story is she came back after all these years and is content with just getting to play one more time). So even though I'm not ruling out anyone at this point, it could be her. Jeremy's idol could get found out and someone could flip at TC. Maybe they do force a tie in case Jeremy uses his idol, but he takes the risk and doesn't. If it is a tie, they'd do a re-vote first, right? Could Kimmi or Monica then flip on the re-vote instead of going to rocks? I think Kimmi could get Stephen. If she doesn't like Savage, and they know/suspect he's not with them, (and I don't know if Stephen cares for Savage that much), that would be 2 votes against old Bayon. But, like I said, would Spencer and Kelly vote with Stephen and Kimmi against Jeremy or Monica? I don't know about Monica, but Spencer/Jeremy seem to have something going there. And they may not want to lose the one person who is arguably the strongest on their tribe. There may be a potential tie being forced, and someone flips, or attempts to flip, and gets caught, called out, or caught in a blindside (Stephen could get caught in the cross hairs). I still think Monica is plotting something and it backfires. They may feel he is the bigger threat down the road than Kimmi. So many possibilities! In a way, as much as I love having rock solid spoilers, sometimes this is more fun. I am somewhat surprised TPTB got everything up so quickly. It felt like the last couple of weeks there was very little being put out there, and it took a couple of days for that to happen.

Don't usually comment on the Spoiler board though I am totally addicted to them so it's kind of disappointing that the spoilers have been pretty few and far between this season.

Just wanted to say in terms of Kelly that just because Probst said she had a story to tell doesn't mean she will ever tell it. It's possible that it was in a conversation between the two of them but not one that ever gets told on the show.

I hope this isn't the case because I find myself loving Kelly despite her invisible edit and don't want her to leave yet!!

[Jextella]

Well, I remember reading that Jeff said Kelly Wiggles has a compelling story that will engage viewers.  This isn't verbatum but close.  It didn't seem like a one-episode thing.

[Oscirus]

I'm pretty sure the stuff about Jeremy's idol being found is speculation. Even if it was found, how is that bad for anybody but Jeremy esp since he promised to share it with 4 other people but didn't.

 

There's a third possibility that the her in question doesn't even go to tribal this week ad it's just speculation for said female's future actions. That would open up a few more possibilities.

 

I think the previews also showed us Keith dumping his two man alliance with Jeremy for the takeo five man alliance.

[anthonyd46]

I'm pretty sure the stuff about Jeremy's idol being found is speculation. Even if it was found, how is that bad for anybody but Jeremy esp since he promised to share it with 4 other people but didn't.

 

There's a third possibility that the her in question doesn't even go to tribal this week ad it's just speculation for said female's future actions. That would open up a few more possibilities.

 

I think the previews also showed us Keith dumping his two man alliance with Jeremy for the takeo five man alliance.

It definitely could be bad for Stephen though. He's been obsessed about idols and if he whines like a little kid about Jeremy being sneaky Jeremy can probably turn it back on Stephen.

[anthonyd46]

http://my.xfinity.com/blogs/tv/2015/10/15/survivor-castaway-jeff-andrew-and-tasha-were-the-rats/

 

Varner sure had a lot to say. Note he says the bayon alliances he ratted out, but the bayon alliance haven't been shown in the show yet. Whatever that means.

 

Also this is what Anti the admin of sucks said to me when I asked him why he had doubts on the bootlist:

 

The burden of proof is on the person claiming it is real. You should assume everything is fake unless demonstrated otherwise.

Edited October 17, 2015 by anthonyd46

[Oscirus]

It definitely could be bad for Stephen though. He's been obsessed about idols and if he whines like a little kid about Jeremy being sneaky Jeremy can probably turn it back on Stephen.

 

A physical threat like Jeremy with an extra idol who just got caught lying to his supposed alliance is a bigger threat then anything that Stephen could possibly do. Unless Jeremy frames Stephen there is no way that Jeremy doesn't get targeted before Stephen if these people find out about the idol.

[LadyChatts]

Well, I remember reading that Jeff said Kelly Wiggles has a compelling story that will engage viewers.  This isn't verbatum but close.  It didn't seem like a one-episode thing.

 

Thanks!  I knew it was something along those lines and yes, it doesn't make it seem like it is a one episode arc or that it is something that won't get aired (otherwise I don't think Jeff would say it).  Of course, I sometimes wonder if Jeff will know exactly what is getting aired, and how it will be edited.  After he hyped last season to the core and went on about what a fantastic group it was, many thought that he was completely in the dark about how the cast was going to come across and be edited.  But of course, Jeff sometimes has a very different definition of what "good" TV is anyway.

 

http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_s31_web_promo_ep5.html

 

Here are screen caps from a new promo this week.  Spencer is definitely the one talked about in the promo about embracing a new form of game play, and I can see what Jeff means about him continuing to grow as a person in his own tease, based on this.  Do we know for sure Bayon is losing the IC?  I see Kimmi/Monica/Kelly are all one big happy out catching fish/crabs, so maybe something is said in that female bonding experience that eventually makes Kimmi go off.  Anyway, there is a clip of Angkor, and though it would make no sense, is it possible that they lose yet again, and the "her" going against her alliance is Abi, forcing a tie at TC?  Kind of a long shot since Abi doesn't have the numbers to flip, at best force a tie.  I don't know if she could get Tasha to go against Andrew and vote him off, and that is the "her" being talked about in the promo.

[wonald]

Here is the exact paragraph on Wigles.

 

 

Kelly Wiglesworth
She's my favorite person on the cast. Kelly didn't have anything to prove to me. She clearly had the skills, her body is still in amazing shape. She's just as likable. She's just as quiet. When she played before, Richard Hatch stole the game from her, and she wanted the chance to take it again. She has a story this season that will be very compelling to viewers.

[azshadowwalker]

http://my.xfinity.com/blogs/tv/2015/10/15/survivor-castaway-jeff-andrew-and-tasha-were-the-rats/

 

Varner sure had a lot to say. Note he says the bayon alliances he ratted out, but the bayon alliance haven't been shown in the show yet. Whatever that 

 

Yeah, that makes me think Jeff's a monumental, two-faced asshole. "I love her, but my God hates her and needs to show her how to act" is what I got from his anti-Tasha rant. So glad that self-satisfied blowhard is gone.

[Wings]

There are boot lists being discussed here.  I know none are from solid sources but I see none of them listed.  Are there links or could someone post them? 

[LadyChatts]

There are boot lists being discussed here.  I know none are from solid sources but I see none of them listed.  Are there links or could someone post them? 

 

First post on page 18.

[Wings]

It had Jeremy winning not Spencer.

 

I believe you're talking about this list.

 

PreJury (in order)

Vytas

Shirin

PeihGee

Jeff

Monica

Terry (evac)

Woo

Jury (close to order)

Kass

Stephen

Kelly

Ciera

Andrew

Joe

Keith

Abi (fv)

Kimmi (fv)

Kelley (fv)

Final 3

Tasha

Spencer

Jeremy (w)

 

I'm not sure how I feel about it's validity yet.

 

 

Thanks Lady.  I am bringing this forward for easier access and reference.   Looks good so far and I like F3.  

Edited October 19, 2015 by wings707

[anthonyd46]

Thanks!  I knew it was something along those lines and yes, it doesn't make it seem like it is a one episode arc or that it is something that won't get aired (otherwise I don't think Jeff would say it).  Of course, I sometimes wonder if Jeff will know exactly what is getting aired, and how it will be edited.  After he hyped last season to the core and went on about what a fantastic group it was, many thought that he was completely in the dark about how the cast was going to come across and be edited.  But of course, Jeff sometimes has a very different definition of what "good" TV is anyway.

 

http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_s31_web_promo_ep5.html

 

Here are screen caps from a new promo this week.  Spencer is definitely the one talked about in the promo about embracing a new form of game play, and I can see what Jeff means about him continuing to grow as a person in his own tease, based on this.  Do we know for sure Bayon is losing the IC?  I see Kimmi/Monica/Kelly are all one big happy out catching fish/crabs, so maybe something is said in that female bonding experience that eventually makes Kimmi go off.  Anyway, there is a clip of Angkor, and though it would make no sense, is it possible that they lose yet again, and the "her" going against her alliance is Abi, forcing a tie at TC?  Kind of a long shot since Abi doesn't have the numbers to flip, at best force a tie.  I don't know if she could get Tasha to go against Andrew and vote him off, and that is the "her" being talked about in the promo.

Have to watch the NTOS again, but in sucks a couple are claiming that the voice saying snake in the grass is actually monica and that the voices are meshed? I have to watch that again.

 

Also its not 100% Bayon is going, but there is no camp shots of Angkor and Ta Keos camp shots are after the RC,while Bayon has post IC ones. In press photos history there have never been any shots of any camps after IC except for the loser, but I guess there could always be a first for everything.

 

Also Woo's words in the preview is interesting:

 

Woo <talking in shelter to Abi>:  You get a phone call, your mom only has a couple of days.  To go through what she did and never give up.  To me, that's huge inspiration.

 

I guess it could just be a coincidence with the phone call, but maybe Terry leaving brings up that story?

Edited October 19, 2015 by anthonyd46

[Oscirus]

Ic is a sling shot challenge and Jeremy is sitting out. An Angkor win is totally plausible, probably likely.  I think that the Abi stuff has more to do with her working everybody's nerves with her constant talk about Woo's vote.

[LadyChatts]

That's interesting about it being Monica saying "a snake in the grass" and it not being Kimmi.  I went back and watched: when you see "snake in the grass" in that clip it doesn't match to what Kimmi's mouth is saying.  But it didn't sound like Monica.  It still sounded like Kimmi.  Also, why show Kimmi saying it in the preview unless it is going to apply to a Kimmi story arc this episode?  Monica, like PG, has some hardcore fans who seem to refuse to believe she could possibly be voted off pre-merge and that she is going to go the distance and become the new Parvati/Sandra/Cirie/any other female power player in Survivor history.  So I can see where some people might be grasping at straws (I've seen a select few even say the lack of screen time means she's got some big edit coming down the road).  Not saying that was the case here, but some PG fans seemed to be trying to find ways to justify why she went far.  Heck, I didn't want her going either, and even I got caught up in some of the evidence, but I was still trying to be realistic.

 

The one reason I feel like it is Bayon is because of that clue in the ep description about "her" voting against her alliance.  Why bring that up unless it is going to happen this episode?  Of course, that still doesn't 100% mean it is Bayon, as there are other possibilities.  But they seem the most obvious one.  I wonder if Abi ruffling the feathers and continuing to self destruct means she goes off on Woo big time after he tells that story about his mother, and obviously Tasha/Savage believe she went way too far.  It is odd that they would have Jeremy sit out for a challenge like that (or any challenge, unless he wants to appear less of a threat).  I wonder if Bayon is going to throw it.

Edited October 19, 2015 by LadyChatts

[anthonyd46]

That's interesting about it being Monica saying "a snake in the grass" and it not being Kimmi.  I went back and watched: when you see "snake in the grass" in that clip it doesn't match to what Kimmi's mouth is saying.  But it didn't sound like Monica.  It still sounded like Kimmi.  Also, why show Kimmi saying it in the preview unless it is going to apply to a Kimmi story arc this episode?  Monica, like PG, has some hardcore fans who seem to refuse to believe she could possibly be voted off pre-merge and that she is going to go the distance and become the new Parvati/Sandra/Cirie/any other female power player in Survivor history.  So I can see where some people might be grasping at straws (I've seen a select few even say the lack of screen time means she's got some big edit coming down the road).  Not saying that was the case here, but some PG fans seemed to be trying to find ways to justify why she went far.  Heck, I didn't want her going either, and even I got caught up in some of the evidence, but I was still trying to be realistic.

 

The one reason I feel like it is Bayon is because of that clue in the ep description about "her" voting against her alliance.  Why bring that up unless it is going to happen this episode?  Of course, that still doesn't 100% mean it is Bayon, as there are other possibilities.  But they seem the most obvious one.  I wonder if Abi ruffling the feathers and continuing to self destruct means she goes off on Woo big time after he tells that story about his mother, and obviously Tasha/Savage believe she went way too far.  It is odd that they would have Jeremy sit out for a challenge like that (or any challenge, unless he wants to appear less of a threat).  I wonder if Bayon is going to throw it.

I dunno the discussion is if you look at Kimmi's lips it shows the words She's done and not she's a snake in the grass. I didn't see that so I have no idea what they are on about.

 

Im pretty convinced its Bayon going to TC, but Angkor sure is getting a lot of the airtime in the commercials too.

[LadyChatts]

I dunno the discussion is if you look at Kimmi's lips it shows the words She's done and not she's a snake in the grass. I didn't see that so I have no idea what they are on about.

 

Im pretty convinced its Bayon going to TC, but Angkor sure is getting a lot of the airtime in the commercials too.

 

It sounded like Kimmi's voice saying "snake in the grass" but it didn't match what her mouth was saying at that time (I couldn't tell exactly what she was saying).  However I still say why make it seem like Kimmi is saying it if it doesn't apply to some arc she will be getting this episode.  She's going after someone (Monica it appears).  So there will likely be a showdown of sorts.  I'm thinking that possibly Monica throws or wants to throw the IC and somehow the plans change or whatever.  I can see where they wouldn't completely ignore Angkor, win or lose.  They have so far been getting the most coverage (including when 3/4 of that tribe was still part of Ta'Keo) partly thanks to losing, but also to having the more wild and loose cannon members over there.  For the casual viewer they may wonder why the heck they are suddenly getting ignored.

 

If Bayon loses this week, it is really up in the air who is going.  Weight loss aside, I won't rule out Kimmi.  While we don't know exactly what/who she might be sparing with or over this week, but it is something that may come back to bite her.  Monica,  and Stephen would also be my choices.  I think Jeremy and Spencer are safe.  Jeremy's got the idol, plus physically they may not want to lose him for the challenges.  And they seem to be setting Spencer up for a long term story arc; on the other hand, perhaps  it is more a short term arc to show redemption and that he is content with what has happened.  And Jeff said the thing about Kelly having a compelling story, so I really can't believe she's going anywhere, but I also won't entirely rule it out.

 

Ta'Keo is the boring tribe that they don't like to focus on except in the secret scenes.  I believe they are safe.

 

Angkor, Woo seems the most vulnerable, but who knows.  They may finally decide to ditch Abi, Abi may go off and force a tie with Woo, Tasha may ditch Savage.  It would be a nice change of pace to see someone else head to TC.

[Zuleikha]

And Jeff said the thing about Kelly having a compelling story, so I really can't believe she's going anywhere, but I also won't entirely rule it out.

I don't think Jeff Probst is involved in how the episodes are edited, though. From exit interviews, it sounds like Wigles was kicking ass at the survival aspects of Survivor. It may be that Probst expected there to be more of a focus on how capable she still is after all this time, forgetting that only men like Joe and Savage get screen time about competency. 

 

I feel like the strongest reason to believe Monica is going is the accurate-to-date bootlist. Monica's clip about the girl's alliance wasn't about turning on old Bayon members, but advocating for keeping Wigles over Spencer. I am influenced by the bootlist, so I do believe Monica's going, but I don't think I'd even be considering it if not for the bootlist. Since I really want Tasha/Andrew to keep Woo over Abi, I will be ecstatic if the obvious happens, Wigles goes, and the bootlist is proven wrong (I'd prefer Spencer to be booted, but I think the girlfriend social media stuff seems solid so I expect Spencer to make family visit). 

[Jextella]

Well, it's either Woo or Monica, IMO combining the spoilers with the following thoughts:

 

• Tao Keo is strong and will likely win immunity.
• Monica is a weak member on her team and hasn't been shown as really bonding with others (could be she is...I just haven't seen it).
• Woo is ok at challenges but ain't no way Tasha, Abi, or Savage are going to let themselves get voted out.  He hasn't really bonded either.  Although Abi doesn't bond with anyone ... Tasha and Savage are a good duo thus far.

[LadyChatts]

I want the boot list to be proven right.  With the exception of a couple, I can live with what happens.  Obviously I'd prefer the merge order to be different, and I know that is speculative anyway.  I would love it if Andrew outlasted Stephen, even if it is only by a couple of placements.  I don't care to see Ciera got that far, or for Kelly Wigles to get voted off that early into the merge, and would actually prefer to see Kelley Wentworth make the final 3 over Spencer, and Joe to make the family visit.  Beyond that, though, I'd be happy.  And it would be nice to have something to go on.

[anthonyd46]

I don't think Jeff Probst is involved in how the episodes are edited, though. From exit interviews, it sounds like Wigles was kicking ass at the survival aspects of Survivor. It may be that Probst expected there to be more of a focus on how capable she still is after all this time, forgetting that only men like Joe and Savage get screen time about competency. 

 

I feel like the strongest reason to believe Monica is going is the accurate-to-date bootlist. Monica's clip about the girl's alliance wasn't about turning on old Bayon members, but advocating for keeping Wigles over Spencer. I am influenced by the bootlist, so I do believe Monica's going, but I don't think I'd even be considering it if not for the bootlist. Since I really want Tasha/Andrew to keep Woo over Abi, I will be ecstatic if the obvious happens, Wigles goes, and the bootlist is proven wrong (I'd prefer Spencer to be booted, but I think the girlfriend social media stuff seems solid so I expect Spencer to make family visit). 

 

I think using the bootlist is bad logic and predicting. It got two whole boots right. Sometimes these bootlists know a boot or two that are correct and know nothing else then it just goes wrong. Just because it got two right doesn't mean everything is right. 

 

Plus there is so many more reasons to pick monica:

 

Not strong

Wants to get out spencer who seems to be liked

Wants to do a girl alliance which would be going against her majority

Kimmi we assume doesn't like Monica

Sat out challenges because of weakness

 

Lots more reasons than just some bootlist that got 2 correct said so.

 

I still think its a tie vote though. The tease tells us "her" does vote against her own alliance. I don't think a 5-1 vote out is risky  a tie is though.

Edited October 19, 2015 by anthonyd46

[Jextella]

I think using the bootlist is bad logic and predicting. It got two whole boots right. Sometimes these bootlists know a boot or two that are correct and know nothing else then it just goes wrong. Just because it got two right doesn't mean everything is right.

I think we all get that.  For me, it's a question of whether or not i like the boot list and my crazy obsession for it to be right.  I would have mixed up some of the beginning and middle players, but I'm hoping beyond hope it is accurate because the F3 are EXACTLY who I'd like to see in F3 ... and in just the right order :)

x

[LadyChatts]

I think we all get that.  For me, it's a question of whether or not i like the boot list and my crazy obsession for it to be right.  I would have mixed up some of the beginning and middle players, but I'm hoping beyond hope it is accurate because the F3 are EXACTLY who I'd like to see in F3 ... and in just the right order :)

x

 

Exactly.  I want it to be right, mainly because I do like spoilers (whether the outcomes makes me happy or not is another story, but at least I know).  It has never ruined my enjoyment.  But mainly, this is a boot list I am happy with.  And a final 3 I can live with, even though, like I said, I might take out Spencer.  But if he made it and won I'd be thrilled.  Same with Jeremy and Tasha (for now anyway).  I am also thrilled to think Kimmi makes it this far.

 

Even before this list came out I was skeptical Monica went far.  I think either they are setting up her boot with both the preview and her talk of a girls alliance, or setting her up to get the better of someone.

[LadyChatts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKcRZiOxZw&feature=player_detailpage

 

Pretty boring sneak peek, just Spencer/Jeremy bonding over fishing. 

Edited October 20, 2015 by LadyChatts

[Zuleikha]

I think using the bootlist is bad logic and predicting. It got two whole boots right.

I didn't use it to predict. I speculated Wigles goes if the bootlist is wrong. But it's a bootlist I don't mind that is so far active, so yeah, I'm influenced by it into expecting Monica to be the next one out. But it's not like I'm going to be shocked if it's wrong. I'll only be shocked if it's Spencer, Jeremy, or Kimmi voted out.

[anthonyd46]

I didn't use it to predict. I speculated Wigles goes if the bootlist is wrong. But it's a bootlist I don't mind that is so far active, so yeah, I'm influenced by it into expecting Monica to be the next one out. But it's not like I'm going to be shocked if it's wrong. I'll only be shocked if it's Spencer, Jeremy, or Kimmi voted out.

You said "I feel like the strongest reason to believe Monica is going is the accurate-to-date bootlist" how is that the strongest reason if the boot list isn't verified?

 

Episode 6 is called bunking with the devil. 

[Zuleikha]

how is that the strongest reason if the boot list isn't verified?

Because if the bootlist isn't true, then I don't think there's any reason to think Monica is going over Wigles.  Given the spoiler about Spencer's girlfriend, Spencer seems unlikely to go, so IMHO, Wigles is the likely boot if Bayon stays united. If Bayon fractures, we have no idea how/why that would happen and so it could be anyone (although it's probably not Jeremy because he's in a good spot with the idol).

 

I don't know what to make of the "going against her alliance" spoiler. It's probably not Tasha and she's the only "her," who is meaningfully established in an alliance right now... unless it's a red herring and referring to Tasha going against her alliance with Abi by hanging out with Woo but then surprise! Angkor doesn't go to TC. Kelly's just a single person and Spencer seems to be putting most of his effort into Jeremy, so it's hard to imagine what Kimmi or Monica could be doing that is meaningfully going against an alliance. The main thing I can think of is that Monica floats the idea of saving Wigles instead of Spencer to form a girl's alliance down the road, but Kimmi doesn't go for it for whatever reason. But it's not like Monica could actively scheme against Spencer/Jeremy/Kimmi to save Wigles on her own... Stephen would have to also be involved for it to make any kind of sense.  

[anthonyd46]

 

I saw this on Jenn's twitter. I wonder when its from? Keith looks a lot thinner here than the other picture from months ago and the beard growth is pretty crazy.

[Oscirus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKcRZiOxZw&feature=player_detailpage

 

Pretty boring sneak peek, just Spencer/Jeremy bonding over fishing. 

Even if we disregard the boot list, Spencer being shown to do all these things that he didn't do the first season is as close a winners edit as anybody's gotten on the show this season so far.

 

Because if the bootlist isn't true, then I don't think there's any reason to think Monica is going over Wigles.

 

Sudden tv time talking about strategy when one has basically been under the radar is normally a dead giveaway that said castaway is in danger.

[Zuleikha]

It was one fairly quick scene. It wasn't like she had extensive screen time. She's had at least one game confessional before.

[LadyChatts]

Even if we disregard the boot list, Spencer being shown to do all these things that he didn't do the first season is as close a winners edit as anybody's gotten on the show this season so far.

 

Sudden tv time talking about strategy when one has basically been under the radar is normally a dead giveaway that said castaway is in danger.

 

I don't know if it screams "winner" just yet (even though I could live with that outcome).  Spencer almost had the ax fall down on him episode 2 and survived, then got a reprieve because of the tribe swap but does seems to be actually living up to what he promised, and learning where he went wrong.  Unlike some others who either don't think they did anything wrong to get themselves ousted, or aren't learning anything from their first time around.  Almost seems a little too perfect, but I can buy it.  Whether he is next (which I don't buy) or goes to the final 3, I think Spencer's arc will be growing as a person and learning from the past and putting that into effective gameplay.

 

In regards to that picture of Keith-if it is was taken when I think it was, then that would have been taken around end of July/ beginning of August.  Jenn and Keith were at a charity that took place in Florida for something Boston Rob put on.  I'll need to go see if I can find more pics from that event, though, to see if it is from that.

Edited October 20, 2015 by LadyChatts

[anthonyd46]

I don't know if it screams "winner" just yet (even though I could live with that outcome).  Spencer almost had the ax fall down on him episode 2 and survived, then got a reprieve because of the tribe swap but does seems to be actually living up to what he promised, and learning where he went wrong.  Unlike some others who either don't think they did anything wrong to get themselves ousted, or aren't learning anything from their first time around.  Almost seems a little too perfect, but I can buy it.  Whether he is next (which I don't buy) or goes to the final 3, I think Spencer's arc will be growing as a person and learning from the past and putting that into effective gameplay.

 

In regards to that picture of Keith-if it is was taken when I think it was, then that would have been taken around end of July/ beginning of August.  Jenn and Keith were at a charity that took place in Florida for something Boston Rob put on.  I'll need to go see if I can find more pics from that event, though, to see if it is from that.

Jenn said in the tweet the picture was taken in Dallas if that helps. I dunno this picture his beard growth is a lot different than the other picture we had from July 10th. 

[LadyChatts]

Jenn said in the tweet the picture was taken in Dallas if that helps. I dunno this picture his beard growth is a lot different than the other picture we had from July 10th. 

 

Okay, I wonder if that was from Missy's charity event (I forgot she was at that one).  I believe Jenn was working in the Caribbean right up until the time Rodney had the benefit for his sister at the end of July, and she was home for that, then the group of Survivors went down to Florida for Rob's and Missy's was just a few weeks later.  I don't remember Keith's beard being that scraggly, but it must have been.

[anthonyd46]

Okay, I wonder if that was from Missy's charity event (I forgot she was at that one).  I believe Jenn was working in the Caribbean right up until the time Rodney had the benefit for his sister at the end of July, and she was home for that, then the group of Survivors went down to Florida for Rob's and Missy's was just a few weeks later.  I don't remember Keith's beard being that scraggly, but it must have been.

Just found it weird if it really was that long after that Keith wouldn't have at least trimmed it by then.

[Special K]

Just found it weird if it really was that long after that Keith wouldn't have at least trimmed it by then.

Perhaps he's going for the oh-so-alluring "Dan" look.

 

ETA:  important italicized modifier

Edited October 20, 2015 by Special K

[RealityWatAConcept]

I think we need to come up with the term that means what Oscirus wrote: "Sudden tv time talking about strategy when one has basically been under the radar is normally a dead giveaway that said castaway is in danger."

 

We refer to the 'Winner's Edit' maybe this is 'Elimination Foreshadowing Edit'  or EFE? 

- 'Dead Man Talking'?

- suggestions?

Edited October 20, 2015 by RealityWatAConcept

[RealityWatAConcept]

Has anyone given thought of what next episode's title might mean? 'Bunking with the Devil'

The only 'villain' so far has been Abi, is she the 'Devil' of the title? Is Woo going to speak of 'bunking with her' before his exit (if boot list continues to be right)?

 

The way Varner has been speaking about Tasha and Savage, they might suddenly get the villain edit.

Or is this a quote from Tasha speaking about someone since according to Varner she has been playing the 'Churchianity' card?

Or maybe she is referring to her style of play?

[LadyChatts]

I'm thinking the Terry boot will be a double boot episode (even though Terry wasn't technically booted).  So that would mean the second tribe swap would be happening after this week, right before the merge.  It could be the new tribe swap, someone in the minority that has to go against their alliance or just wound up on a tribe with the likes of Abi or someone devious (maybe Spencer/Kass/Tasha all wind up together).  Abi seems the most likely candidate, as does Kass from past experience, and I wouldn't rule out Kelley Wentworth or Tasha. 

 

FWIW, someone on Sucks said Ciera slipped and mentioned being on Angkor.  I don't know if that was deliberate or a sincere goof and Angkor is one of the two tribes after the second swap (since the idol hasn't been found over there, that would make sense). 

Edited October 20, 2015 by LadyChatts

[pennben]

Jenn said in the tweet the picture was taken in Dallas if that helps. I dunno this picture his beard growth is a lot different than the other picture we had from July 10th. 

 

Dammit!  And here I thought I was being a super-sleuth and looked up the name of the restaurant in the background of the pic and concluded it was a Texas-based restaurant, then scrolled down to read further posts:)  Note to self, read thread promptly going forward:)

Edited October 20, 2015 by pennben

[LadyChatts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-HzaMCJYck&feature=player_detailpage

 

Behind the scenes of the IC this week.  Also shows where the HII for Angkor is hidden (this one might be trickier to find without being seen).

[marys1000]

Has anyone given thought of what next episode's title might mean? 'Bunking with the Devil'

The only 'villain' so far has been Abi, is she the 'Devil' of the title? Is Woo going to speak of 'bunking with her' before his exit (if boot list continues to be right)?

 

The way Varner has been speaking about Tasha and Savage, they might suddenly get the villain edit.

Or is this a quote from Tasha speaking about someone since according to Varner she has been playing the 'Churchianity' card?

Or maybe she is referring to her style of play?

I thought bunking with the Devil might refer to Tasha doing something underhanded.  So from her perspective, as she mentioned when she talked about her church members encouraging her to play dirtier or..less Christian,  she would be "doing the devil's work, or...bunking with the devil.  Just a thought. 

I think we need to come up with the term that means what Oscirus wrote: "Sudden tv time talking about strategy when one has basically been under the radar is normally a dead giveaway that said castaway is in danger."

 

We refer to the 'Winner's Edit' maybe this is 'Elimination Foreshadowing Edit'  or EFE? 

- 'Dead Man Talking'?

- suggestions?

Dead Man Walking edit, or DMW edit............Actually EFE is good with me, a little more accurate and edit is part of the 3 letters

Edited October 21, 2015 by marys1000

[jay741982]

I like Jeremy enough but I'm hoping the speculated F3 of him Tasha and Spencer is false. I want my Girl Kelley Wentworth in F3

[anthonyd46]

I like Jeremy enough but I'm hoping the speculated F3 of him Tasha and Spencer is false. I want my Girl Kelley Wentworth in F3

I still don't think Jeff Probsts comments about Jeremy scream winner, though probst is wrong at times. 

 

Jeremy is an interesting contestant. He had a disappointing finish last time because he was one of the few people who really understood the game – and was a threat because of it. This time, he's playing with experts, so his skills don't stand out as much, but they're still there.

 

That isn't the biggest ringing endorsement.

 

She was burdened by being a Christian last time, and she did not want to do anything that would offend the church. She got home and people said, "What is your problem? Go play Survivor and then ask for forgiveness." Tasha said it brought her to tears to get that support from her congregation, and it released all her barriers. So she plays a devil's game this time. It's very clear from day one that she's going to play the game hard – and she makes some interesting choices along the way.

 

He's one of my all-time favorites. Last time, I proved that I often have no idea what I'm talking about. I was glad he came back. This was Spencer's story from day one until the game was over for him: Can I treat people as people this time? If he's insufferable, he'll be gone. That's his Achilles heel. Spencer has to be likable, vulnerable, relatable, curious, asking questions. That's the Spencer we need to see.

 

Kelley had a rough first season because she was playing along with her dad. She felt like she was judged the way her dad played. She came back with an attitude. "Listen, if you think I'm my dad, I will smoke you." From the get-go, she comes to play, and she plays very hard.