Spoilers With Speculation

[SueB]

45 minutes ago, mertensia said:

Woman, do you not watch horror movies? Opening boxes they shouldn't is a staple of horror movies. I can see it now. An exploratory dive with a submersible, they find and bring up the coffin and boom. End of the world. 

Well, you're right -- of course.  James Cameron will direct. It'll be like "the Abyss" but with a bad news angel instead of pretty pink floaty things. 

[mertensia]

14 minutes ago, SueB said:

Well, you're right -- of course.  James Cameron will direct. It'll be like "the Abyss" but with a bad news angel instead of pretty pink floaty things. 

*Nods*. Exactly. Add in Michael Biehn and Linda Hamilton and you've got a blockbuster.  Plus a shirtless Jason Statham from The Meg (the Marianas Trench, you know)'wouldn't hurt, either. 

[SueB]

1 hour ago, mertensia said:

*Nods*. Exactly. Add in Michael Biehn and Linda Hamilton and you've got a blockbuster.  Plus a shirtless Jason Statham from The Meg (the Marianas Trench, you know)'wouldn't hurt, either. 

Ah.. but who would play the wise, elderly scholar who tells them NOT to open the box....

But seriously, I would think that Dean will have to say some sort of Latinating to do a final "seal" once in the box -- to protect from outside and inside influences.  And non-reversable or Michael would use it.

[mertensia]

2 minutes ago, SueB said:

Ah.. but who would play the wise, elderly scholar who tells them NOT to open the box....

But seriously, I would think that Dean will have to say some sort of Latinating to do a final "seal" once in the box -- to protect from outside and inside influences.  And non-reversable or Michael would use it.

Pfffft. Gorilla glue. That's all he needs. 

[S Cook Productions]

5 minutes ago, SueB said:

Ah.. but who would play the wise, elderly scholar who tells them NOT to open the box....

But seriously, I would think that Dean will have to say some sort of Latinating to do a final "seal" once in the box -- to protect from outside and inside influences.  And non-reversable or Michael would use it.

Jeff Goldblum. 

“Uh, it’s not...not natural, ya see. Just because we could open it, doesn’t mean we should!”

 

I would watch the crap out of that movie. Lol. 

[Res]

8 hours ago, S Cook Productions said:

Jeff Goldblum. 

“Uh, it’s not...not natural, ya see. Just because we could open it, doesn’t mean we should!”

 

I would watch the crap out of that movie. Lol. 

Especially if Jensen's in it!!!!

[Wateroflife]

12 hours ago, SueB said:

Well, you're right -- of course.  James Cameron will direct. It'll be like "the Abyss" but with a bad news angel instead of pretty pink floaty things. 

 

1 hour ago, Res said:

Especially if Jensen's in it!!!!

10 hours ago, S Cook Productions said:

I would watch the crap out of that movie. Lol. 

Manage to throw in a classic movie werewolf (Werewolf in London, not the Supernatural kind) and I would give you ALL my money. My little fan heart would explode!

[Jonesy]

Ah, the pics of 300 with John and family look great!  And the paranoia that the John/Dean photo makes John look too tough on Dean is REALLY reaching--way, way, way too interpretative.   I suspect John and Dean will have a great, warm visit--one which came about because of Dean.

[gonzosgirrl]

Y'all know I'm a Dean Girl to the bone, but I gotta say, this image of John and Sam is touching. I want Dean to have his moment, too, and I suspect it won't be all *I* want, but John was Sam's father, too.

[ILoveReading]

1 hour ago, Jakes said:

Ah, the pics of 300 with John and family look great!  And the paranoia that the John/Dean photo makes John look too tough on Dean is REALLY reaching--way, way, way too interpretative.   I suspect John and Dean will have a great, warm visit--one which came about because of Dean.

Body language can say a lot.  In the pics with Mary and John and Sam and John they are in each other's personal space.  Expressions are soft, and they're touching. 

With Dean and John it comes across as more standoffish.  In the second photo, Dean's posture is very much like it would get when John would chastise him, head down, looking away.  There's not a lot that resembles warmth in those photos. 

It's possible Dean's berating himself about how he failed Sam, like he did with Mary, but I don't see affection in those two photos.  I know that Dean will be thrilled to see John but that moment looks more like a confronation than a a father-son moment.

Now if Dean is telling John off for how he treated him, then I'd be all for that. 

[SueB]

Link to photos: "Lebanon"  

That photo of John looking over his shoulder kindof looks like the first time he sees Mary.  His face is so emotional!

Based on things that JDM has said over the years, I think he would want to take the opportunity to be nothing but a loving father in this episode.  He's really unhappy at how he's been characterized as "Bad Dad".  JDM has always been clear that John may have had issues but he loved his boys and did the best he could.  So, with that in mind, I don't see John berating any of his children. JDM would be pissed about any theme where "bad dad" is a potential.  

Edited January 29, 2019 by SueB

[Myrelle]

13 hours ago, SueB said:

JDM would be pissed about any theme where "bad dad" is a potential.

Maybe, but that scene between John and Dean in IMTOD wherein he moved the save or kill Sam scenario all onto Dean's shoulders still remains, to this day, one of the most dynamic and iconic scenes that this show has ever given us. And I'd bet the ranch that likewise JDM, still to this day, does not see that scene as damaging to the John character and/or "bad dad" potential.

And according to JA, Dean is just happy(and little else) to have his father back in the 300th episode; and even going by the storyboard, IMO, Dean's current head space regarding himself could preclude him from yet again questioning anything that his father might say to him or tell him. So I just wonder if the current regime, with their penchant for/love of the Redux, might not attempt that one again.

What could make it worthwhile, however, is if this time, Dean went to Sam right away with John's "secret" and part of Sam's closure with John might involve confronting John about the secret-keeping and how it's had such a negative effect on all of them(but especially Dean-and this would be great time to bring up the big elephant in the room that goes by the name of parentification, too-as a mirror to Dean and Mary's similar type of conversation in that late s12 episode; and again, because Dean is just not presently in the right head space to do it himself).

The big stumbling block to this would be the history of the writing concerning the two brothers and this kind of stuff which has usually in the past seemed to me to gravitate more towards making everything(even Dean and his own issues) about Sam, and only Sam, and only Sam's issues-which I'm most definitely not looking forward to seeing again, if that's their big plan and the basic premise for the return of John-which is sadly what it sounds like to me just from the advance promotion that we've gotten for it so far.

We'll see, I suppose, but I'm not expecting much more than that last part, at this point(just going by the writing history, and again, IMO)-but I'm still totally open to being pleasantly surprised by the writing on this show, what with the good feelings generated by Nihilism still in the air.  

Edited January 29, 2019 by Myrelle

[Casseiopeia]

So this wooden monkey is on the bar in Rocky's (Damaged Goods)....he was also at Harvelle's in S2

This is in Lebanon KS in the 300th episode.

We know that Dean makes sort of a wish.  Is the 300th all in Dean's mind?  Or did the set people just like the monkey?

[Myrelle]

I think I would love it if Dean was at the bottom of the ocean with Michael for the next few episodes, but sadly, I can't see these writers ever going there.

It would be much too bold of a move and far too innovative to expect or even hope for something like this to come from Dabb and co. 

[Cambion]

4 hours ago, Casseiopeia said:

So this wooden monkey is on the bar in Rocky's (Damaged Goods)....he was also at Harvelle's in S2

This is in Lebanon KS in the 300th episode.

We know that Dean makes sort of a wish.  Is the 300th all in Dean's mind?  Or did the set people just like the monkey?

Or maybe the monkey is like the feather in Forrest Gump!?!  lol

[MysteryGuest]

On 1/29/2019 at 8:34 PM, Myrelle said:

I think I would love it if Dean was at the bottom of the ocean with Michael for the next few episodes, but sadly, I can't see these writers ever going there.

Having just now watched the preview for tonight's episode, I can definitely say I do not want this.  Just that brief flash of Dean in the box had my claustrophobia on high alert.  I don't want to watch someone buried alive for multiple scenes, let along multiple episodes.  I do love that he takes his cell phone with him, though.  What kind of reception does he expect to get at the bottom of the ocean?  I'm wondering if that scene is not what it seems to be, and somehow Dean ends up in the box before he intends to?  I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I'm ready to have this "buried at sea" plan dispensed with quickly.    

[Bobcatkitten]

55 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:

Having just now watched the preview for tonight's episode, I can definitely say I do not want this.  Just that brief flash of Dean in the box had my claustrophobia on high alert.  I don't want to watch someone buried alive for multiple scenes, let along multiple episodes.  I do love that he takes his cell phone with him, though.  What kind of reception does he expect to get at the bottom of the ocean?  I'm wondering if that scene is not what it seems to be, and somehow Dean ends up in the box before he intends to?  I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I'm ready to have this "buried at sea" plan dispensed with quickly.    

My guess is that scene is actually a dream Dean has beforehand about being in the box. Just a guess. 

[gonzosgirrl]

1 minute ago, Bobcatkitten said:

My guess is that scene is actually a dream Dean has beforehand about being in the box. Just a guess. 

I wonder if it's the new prophet's, whoever that may be, vision.

Or there's always the possibility that it's Sam's nightmare of what he fears will happen for Dean.

Heheh, yeah right, I crack myself up.

[Aeryn13]

Going by the promo for ep 300, I think the "new version of Sam" is in that as apparently they're flash-pointing the timeline or something. That part appears to be a somewhat comedic take. 

[ILoveReading]

I guess I'm a bad Dean fan because I want Dean to end up in the box.  Because like i said it would be a real acting opportunity for Jensen to play an episode where he's buried in the box.  The first two minutes showed us how good Jensen would be.  Plus, if Dean came back, he's be a little crazy and again I'd like to see Jensen's take on crazy Dean.  (I mean more like Crazy Cas than souless Sam).

[ILoveReading]

Since Michael is still walled up in Dean's head I hope we get to see the tole that take on Dean, (like Sam and his wall),  What is Michael doing to him?  Surely he isn't just sitting quietly.

[tessathereaper]

3 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

I guess I'm a bad Dean fan because I want Dean to end up in the box.  Because like i said it would be a real acting opportunity for Jensen to play an episode where he's buried in the box.  The first two minutes showed us how good Jensen would be.  Plus, if Dean came back, he's be a little crazy and again I'd like to see Jensen's take on crazy Dean.  (I mean more like Crazy Cas than souless Sam).

Same, seriously.  I hope Dean is just placating Sam and Cas for now and goes into that box, even if he has to hire the freighter himself to dump it in the ocean.  Anything but Dean giving in to Sam's little "but what about ME, why don't you trust ME!" moment and then Sam and Cas "saving the day".

 

At this point I'd almost give John a point if instead of them whitewashing his abuse of Dean(well we know they are going to do that) if John found out what Dean has to do and was like "it's the right thing, I can see Sam is making this harder for you, I hate that you have to do this, but I'm proud of your ability to do the right thing in the face of such lack of support."  Maybe not said like that, that's terrible dialogue but damn I want one person on this show to actually understand and see what Dean is doing and that he is RIGHT, not weak, not giving up, not suicidal and that everyone else is making it that much harder on Dean but that Dean has the strength to do it anyway.  I hate that it would be John, but even a stopped watch is right twice a day so...any port in a storm.

Edited February 1, 2019 by tessathereaper

[ILoveReading]

 

That was fast

[Aeryn13]

32 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

 

That was fast

I see, the problem with "what your heart desires" is that not being the same with what your conscious mind thinks that is. Though even I would have thought Dean's current desire would be Michael out of his head. John seems seriously random.  

Edited February 1, 2019 by Aeryn13

[gonzosgirrl]

6 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

I see, the problem with "what your heart desires" is that not being the same with what your conscious mind thinks that is. Though even I would have thought Dean's current desire would be Michael out of his head. John seems seriously random.  

So Amara thinks the thing Dean wants the most is Mary, and this ancient Chinese pearl thinks it's John? Seriously, is there nothing in the universe that actually knows Dean Winchester?

[Aeryn13]

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So Amara thinks the thing Dean wants the most is Mary, and this ancient Chinese pearl thinks it's John? Seriously, is there nothing in the universe that actually knows Dean Winchester?

IKR? I guess they`ll be going with the angle that Dean is still resigned to the box and his current heart`s desire is some closure with John. I mean, Billie said all the books - hundreds if not thousands of them - changed to the same Michael-pocalypse outcome, there is likely one where the Chinese pearl scenario to get him out of Dean`s head, failed. So Dean doesn`t really think this or anything else is gonna be a valid solution. 

Guess that means they`ll try different things in the episodes coming up. 

[Bobcatkitten]

Dean wants Michael dead but I buy that his subconscious desire as he heads to his death is to deal with John and his childhood. That's why he brought it up this week 

[ILoveReading]

I can kind of give Amara a pass with Mary.  She really didn't know Dean and granted his wish based on the photo she saw and wanted to reunite Dean with his mom.

But if the pearl is reading Dean's mind, I guess its more Dean is still resigned to his fate, and wishes he could say good by to his dad (or something like that). 

Now if Dean wished Michael out of his head, there is still the matter of Michael leaving him in a vegetative state, and what to do with him.  So I can see Dean, even though he wants him gone, he doesn't want him gone in such a way that will still leave Michael as a threat.

I just hope the inevitable BM scene isn't a repeat of last week.

[Aeryn13]

I wonder how the episode will be structured. First act is easy:  establish the lore for the pearl and have Dean makes his "wish", voila changed timeline. Is that when they`ll meet John? Because I believe all of John`s scenes will be at the bunker. But the brothers are clearly also running around Lebanon to fix this. But you can`t put all the John parts into one final act in the bunker as that would feel awkward as well. 

[ILoveReading]

21 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

I wonder how the episode will be structured. First act is easy:  establish the lore for the pearl and have Dean makes his "wish", voila changed timeline. Is that when they`ll meet John? Because I believe all of John`s scenes will be at the bunker. But the brothers are clearly also running around Lebanon to fix this. But you can`t put all the John parts into one final act in the bunker as that would feel awkward as well. 

My guess is that this will be similar to to What is and What Should Never Be.

They will establish the lore and Dean will make his wish.   Someone took off in the Impala.  There are some of the Lebanon scenes.  They go back to the bunker and find John waiting and they have a reunion, happy times.  A brother will get his one on one moment.  Like WIAWSNB, something happens that alert Sam and Dean to the fact that something isn't right.  They go investigate.  While they're gone, Mary gets her one on one time with John.  More Lebanon scenes,  they find out about their alternate selves, and figure it out.  Sam and Dean run into Cas/Zacheriah and deal with whatever big bad there is.  Dean realizes that he has to unmake his wish, other brother gets on one one moment.  Goodbye scene with John, and then the BM. 

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, ILoveReading said:

Someone took off in the Impala.

Could that be John? He probably has keys in his pocket.

[Cambion]

After seeing that scene I'm betting on Dean's deepest desire is to get Baby back.   :P

[S Cook Productions]

8 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

I wonder how the episode will be structured. First act is easy:  establish the lore for the pearl and have Dean makes his "wish", voila changed timeline. Is that when they`ll meet John? Because I believe all of John`s scenes will be at the bunker. But the brothers are clearly also running around Lebanon to fix this. But you can`t put all the John parts into one final act in the bunker as that would feel awkward as well. 

Plus there’s the whole how the town sees them bit, and old Cas and Zack. I wonder how it all fits together in an hour...

7 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

My guess is that this will be similar to to What is and What Should Never Be.

They will establish the lore and Dean will make his wish.   Someone took off in the Impala.  There are some of the Lebanon scenes.  They go back to the bunker and find John waiting and they have a reunion, happy times.  A brother will get his one on one moment.  Like WIAWSNB, something happens that alert Sam and Dean to the fact that something isn't right.  They go investigate.  While they're gone, Mary gets her one on one time with John.  More Lebanon scenes,  they find out about their alternate selves, and figure it out.  Sam and Dean run into Cas/Zacheriah and deal with whatever big bad there is.  Dean realizes that he has to unmake his wish, other brother gets on one one moment.  Goodbye scene with John, and then the BM. 

Oh just saw this, yeah could be. 

[Aeryn13]

Does anyone think they sent out screeners of episode 300? I`m seeing advance (p)reviews for Arrow`s episode 150 so obviously they sent out screeners to reviewers and bloggers. Maybe promotion for SPN episode 300 was the EW articles/magazine covers but I figured they`d do something in the week leading up to it. Even I, who thinks the show took some serious nosedive in quality for years now, acknowledge the milestone of a genre show like this reaching 300 episodes. 

[gonzosgirrl]

2 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

Does anyone think they sent out screeners of episode 300? I`m seeing advance (p)reviews for Arrow`s episode 150 so obviously they sent out screeners to reviewers and bloggers. Maybe promotion for SPN episode 300 was the EW articles/magazine covers but I figured they`d do something in the week leading up to it. Even I, who thinks the show took some serious nosedive in quality for years now, acknowledge the milestone of a genre show like this reaching 300 episodes. 

I asked ScreenSpy:

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We got Arrow and the The Flash this week but no SPN. It might drop early this week (with a whole bunch of DNR’s) or it might not. Will just have to see what we get, and balance it against what other nets give us and what time allows us to cover.

[ILoveReading]

On 2/1/2019 at 10:34 PM, S Cook Productions said:

Plus there’s the whole how the town sees them bit

I think this concept was largely dropped when JDM became available, and it will be a scene or two at most.

[Aeryn13]

I think it will only be in maybe the first act because afterwards we have the changed timeline so it's pointless how the people of Lebanon see them in that.

Probably it's the teenagers commenting on them when they buy beer, as has been spoiled somewhere, and nothing beyond that. 

[SueB]

15 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

Does anyone think they sent out screeners of episode 300? I`m seeing advance (p)reviews for Arrow`s episode 150 so obviously they sent out screeners to reviewers and bloggers. Maybe promotion for SPN episode 300 was the EW articles/magazine covers but I figured they`d do something in the week leading up to it. Even I, who thinks the show took some serious nosedive in quality for years now, acknowledge the milestone of a genre show like this reaching 300 episodes. 

Several people have commented on the episode -- they were at the 300th party.  Maybe only a limited number of screeners?  IDK.

[SueB]

Someone was speculating that Jensen hadn't been filming.

Clearly he's in 14.14 because the director thanked him:

[ILoveReading]

6 hours ago, SueB said:

Several people have commented on the episode -- they were at the 300th party.  Maybe only a limited number of screeners?  IDK.

I think they screened episode 7 at 300th party.  I'm not sure it was finished filming when they had the party.

Edited February 4, 2019 by ILoveReading

[SueB]

3 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

I think they screened episode 7 at 300th party.  I'm not sure it was finished filming when they had the party.

Yes, I wasnt clear -- I was thinking that if you signed a non-disclosure AT the party, you also got a screener when they were ready.  BUT, thinking about it now, I think someone frrom post production tweeted out a squee* just last week -- so I dont know if the screeners would have been done early enough. 

*Just a generic 'you're gonna love it' squee -- no spoilers. 

[Wateroflife]

Not to bring up a slightly old and slightly off-topic discussion, but...

On 1/27/2019 at 3:34 AM, mertensia said:

Woman, do you not watch horror movies? Opening boxes they shouldn't is a staple of horror movies. I can see it now. An exploratory dive with a submersible, they find and bring up the coffin and boom. End of the world. 

 

On 1/27/2019 at 4:23 AM, SueB said:

Well, you're right -- of course.  James Cameron will direct. It'll be like "the Abyss" but with a bad news angel instead of pretty pink floaty things. 

When I read about this upcoming movie, I thought of you guys 😄

https://geektyrant.com/news/idris-elba-in-talks-to-star-in-supernatural-submersible-thriller-deeper

I hope someone takes your ridiculous, awesome spec and writes some wacko fanfic. I'd read it!

[Bobcatkitten]

With pics from the set recently being just Cas and Sam I'm getting worried about Dean.

 

Do we have any episode titles/descriptions past 300?

[ILoveReading]

26 minutes ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Do we have any episode titles/descriptions past 300?

There are no episode descriptions but titles for the next three are

Episode 14- Ouroboros  (The medical symbol of a snake eating it tail)  Writer- Yockey

Episode 15- Peace of Mind Writer- Yockey and Fitzmartin (Dabb's assistant, which I'm dreading since her twitter reads like a 12 year old on tumblr.

Episode 16- Don't Go in the Woods Writer Perez and Nick Vaught (Works for the show, but not sure in what capacity)

Here is a spoiler sheet with a summary of all upcoming spoilers, 

http://ibelieveinthelittletreetopper.tumblr.com/post/175783241248/supernatural-season-14-spoiler-sheet

It's usually accurate and reliable.

Edited February 5, 2019 by ILoveReading

[SueB]

10 minutes ago, Bobcatkitten said:

With pics from the set recently being just Cas and Sam I'm getting worried about Dean.

 

Do we have any episode titles/descriptions past 300?

Yes - see note above from the director of episode 14, thanking Jensen as well as Jared, Misha, Alex & Rowena

I'd say with Rowena around, there's a good guess they've gotten a spell from her to help.

From Jess's "IbelieveInthelittletreetopper" tumbler posts Jess' spoiler sheet:

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Episode 14x14 

Title: Ouroboros

Written by:  Steve Yockey

Director:  Amyn Kaderaldi

Filming Dates: January 7 - January 16

Airdate: March 7

Castiel? Yes Jack? Yes

Guest stars: Ruth Connell (Rowena)

Other Spoilers/info (newest to oldest):

Sam and Rowena filmed some scenes together outside by a very nice car

There are scenes with Cas and Rowena in the bunker

Cas may wear a Doctor’s coat?

My episode 14x14 tag.

 

Episode 14x15

Title: Peace of Mind

Written by:  Steve Yockey and Meghan Fitzmartin

Director:  Phil Sgriccia

Filming Dates:  January 29 - February 7  (shot out of order)

Airdate: March 14

Castiel? possibly Jack? Possibly

Guest stars:

Other Spoilers/info (newest to oldest):

 

My episode 14x15 tag.

 

Episode 14x16 (currently filming)

Title: Don’t Go In The Woods

Written by: Davy Perez and Nick Vaught

Director:  John Fitzpatrick

Filming Dates:  January 17 - January 28 (shot out of order)

Airdate: March 21

Castiel? Probably not Jack? Probably not

Guest stars:

Other Spoilers/info (newest to oldest):

To be directed by long-time editor John Fitzpatrick 

My episode 14x16 tag.

Note: Jess hasn't updated since 21 Jan.

 

But looking at the title 'Ouroboros': it's interesting that Jensen is wearing a necklace with a snake engraved in the metal in the EW photos.  Is he screwing with us?  Probably. 

[Bobcatkitten]

Thanks!

[gonzosgirrl]

26 minutes ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Thanks!

I'm still skeptical. ;)

[catrox14]

So this guy Jihn Fitzpatrick is an editor on the show. I don't know if he took over for Nicole Baer but if he is the lead editor this season, I can't say that I'm impressed. I would be curious just how much editing he's been doing. And now he's directing and cowriting an  episode. With Davy. Hmmmm.

[Casseiopeia]

Ruh roh...

[Aeryn13]

Maybe Jensen has a lot of interior/sound stage shooting because Dean sequesters himself in the bunker.  

Though I do believe in the episode where they are supposedly trapped in a psychic's mind or something, he would be out and about.

I'd be unhappy if Dean wasn't in a lot of so 14 because it's Yockey. Missing from a lot of a Berens episode, now that I wouldn't mind.