Spoilers With Speculation

[Casseiopeia]

1 hour ago, companionenvy said:

I think the writers should be able to trust the audience to cope with them being separated for 5-6 episodes

I don't mind the  brothers being separated as brothers for several episodes.  They can still interact as adversaries in many of those Michael/Dean eps.  The DD story was just getting good with Dean stalking Sam.  More of that cat and mouse would have been so much fun and would have made  the eventual capture and cure that much more dramatic.

And by Dark humor I hope they aren't going to go the silly snarky Lucifer angle.

[AwesomO4000]

6 hours ago, companionenvy said:

On the other hand, it could work if they're not trying to pretend that this is information we've had all along, but introducing it as something about Michael's original plan that we never knew. It is understandable that neither Michael nor Zachariah, who wanted Dean to say yes, would have been inclined to tell him exactly how few survivors there were going to be. 

I mean, it is still a retcon, since I'm quite sure Kripke had no notion of a chosen 5000. But it doesn't have to violate canon or logic, as there are good in-universe reasons that we would never have had this information before, but would get it now that Michael's plans have suddenly become highly relevant. 

I agree. The only things we knew back then were that if our Michael killed Lucifer then half the planet might be killed in the process and then afterwards there would be "paradise on earth." We weren't told what that was, but I myself never thought that that would be good for people, so while the idea of 5000 chosen is a retcon, this new thing wouldn't surprise me much. For me, it would entirely fit for our Michael too, because that's pretty close to what I thought was gonna happen anyway. Heh - actually 5000 people is about 4980 or so more people than I expected. I actually thought Michael would let whoever Dean asked to be kept alive / safe stay alive, but that they would be the only ones he'd keep his word about.

[Aeryn13]

So it`s longer than one episode but probably not more then two? Urgh. Those guys are so chicken-shit. Poor Jensen. Demon!Dean all over again. He should have gotten it in his contract that this never happens again. Too bad. 

At least it sounds like Lucifer is dead. But Nick remains? Let me guess, the Nephilim grace is the explanation for his human self to not be dead? I mean, I liked that one episode with Nick when Lucifer toyed with him but what are you gonna do with the character? He won`t have powers, he won`t have knowledge and it would be completely unfeasible for him to be witty one-liner guy. 

Dean is aware, huh? That would be good news if the storyline actually lasted longer than a hot minute. Also, "dark humor"? How about no humor for a change? Alternate Michael wasn`t played as comedic in any way. 

Aaaand, this is the first time they bring up OW!Michael and NOW they can actually differentiate between the two, huh? Maybe some WAG aren`t actually so wild.  

Edited July 15, 2018 by Aeryn13

[Jonesy]

So going by the Comic Con magazine issue and Chicago--Dabb says Lucifer will stay dead even though he won't dismiss Mark being back, no evidence that Bobby will be a regular and no evidence Sam taken over by OG Michael. 

 

Also Jared said at the Con that he hopes to see a good deal of Michael/Dean and ALSO said he has seen thru 6 scripts...so I think Jared wouldn't add his hope if he did not know we get Michael/Dean thru at least 6 episodes.  Which is a good deal of Michael/Dean--I personally wouldn't too much more of that.  I love full on Dean the best.

Edited July 16, 2018 by Jakes

[ILoveReading]

17 minutes ago, Jakes said:

So going by the Comic Con issue and Chicago--Dabb says Lucifer will stay dead even though he won't dismiss Mark being back, no evidence that Bobby will be a regular and no evidence Sam taken over by OG Michael. 

 

Also Jared said at the Con that he hopes to see a good deal of Michael/Dean and ALSO said he has seen thru 6 scripts...so I think Jared wouldn't add his hope if he did not know we get Michael/Dean thru at least 6 episodes.  Which is a good deal of Michael/Dean--I personally wouldn't too much more of that.  I love full on Dean the best.

I believe Lucifer will stay dead when he doesn't show up on screen.  The writers have lied about things before.   Demon Dean.  They filmed episode 3 first that year so they all knew that demon Dean was done but talked about it as if it wasn't.

As for Sam vesseling OG Michael, for the first time Dabb mentioned OW Michael and they put themselves in the corner when they said that only an arch angel can kill an arch angel.  That means that in order to stop Michael 2.0 they either have send him back to apocalypse world (which would damn the people over there all over again).  or trap him in the cage or kill him.  To kill him they would need Michael 1.0 as he's supposedly the only arch angel left which means someone has to vessel him, and then probably sacrifice by stabbing themselves with the arch angel blade to prevent Michael 1.0 from becoming a problem.   To make him jump in the cage someone would also have to agree to be a vessel. 

So there still exsits a very real probababilty that Sam could end up saying yes to Michael.   It might even be how he stops Dean.

Edited July 16, 2018 by ILoveReading

[Jonesy]

2 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

I believe Lucifer will stay dead when he doesn't show up on screen.  The writers have lied about things before.   Demon Dean.  They filmed episode 3 first that year so they all knew that demon Dean was done but talked about it as if it wasn't.

As for Sam vesseling OG Michael, for the first time Dabb mentioned OW Michael and they put themselves in the corner when they said that only an arch angel can kill an arch angel.  That means that in order to stop Michael 2.0 they either have send him back to apocalypse world (which would damn the people over there all over again).  or trap him in the cage or kill him.  To kill him they would need Michael 1.0 as he's supposedly the only arch angel left which means someone has to vessel him, and then probably sacrifice by stabbing themselves with the arch angel blade to prevent Michael 1.0 from becoming a problem.   To make him jump in the cage someone would also have to agree to be a vessel. 

So there still exsits a very real probababilty that Sam could end up saying yes to Michael.   It might even be how he stops Dean.

Well right now Dabb outright says Lucifer is dead, dead--until otherwise that is what we got.  With Michael,  even if they use him(a very big maybe--could go in many different directions)...Sam was never his vehicle--hell it's more plausible they go back in time for John and our favorite GH doctor. 

[ILoveReading]

3 minutes ago, Jakes said:

Well right now Dabb outright says Lucifer is dead, dead--until otherwise that is what we got.  With Michael,  even if they use him(a very big maybe--could go in many different directions)...Sam was never his vehicle--hell it's more plausible they go back in time for John and our favorite GH doctor

Will respond in bitter spoilers to be on the safe side.

[ahrtee]

2 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

As for Sam vesseling OG Michael, for the first time Dabb mentioned OW Michael and they put themselves in the corner when they said that only an arch angel can kill an arch angel.  That means that in order to stop Michael 2.0 they either have send him back to apocalypse world (which would damn the people over there all over again).  or trap him in the cage or kill him.  To kill him they would need Michael 1.0 as he's supposedly the only arch angel left which means someone has to vessel him, and then probably sacrifice by stabbing themselves with the arch angel blade to prevent Michael 1.0 from becoming a problem.   To make him jump in the cage someone would also have to agree to be a vessel. 

Just to point out--Michael already has a vessel in the Cage with him--Adam.  And by now they must know each other intimately (pardon the expression :) ) so no need for fighting him or having to learn to control a new vessel.  Granted, Adam doesn't have the Campbell bloodline so he's probably not as strong as Dean/Sam, but that didn't seem to worry Michael at the Apocalypse showdown, against Lucifer in his "chosen/perfect" vessel.   I'm assuming if they can "cure" Michael's insanity, it'll also work on Adam (who is, after all, only human and not built from primordial ooze.) Or maybe if they cure Adam he can take the lead with Michael.  

The writers haven't forgotten about him (completely) since they specifically brought him up in season 10.  That shows that he's somewhere on the writers' radar, even if they don't choose to do anything about it.  They've certainly pulled other unexpected (and often unwanted) past characters out of their collective butts for a lot less reason (and with less advance warning).  

To address the point about the vessel having to sacrifice himself, Adam was also already dead and has no connection with or reason to want to get back to life/earth.  He *wanted* to go to heaven even back in season 5, which means he should be willing to die to take out Michael (or, conversely, if OW Michael turns out to be the good guy after all and wants to return to heaven to rebuild it, Adam should be happy to go along.)  

I don't understand why no one here even seems to be considering Adam as a possibility, especially since that would cause even more angst for Sam, now having to rescue *two* brothers. :) 

That's not to say that Dabb won't do something that makes no sense just because he wants to piss people off, give something extra to Jared or "balance out" the SLs, but IMO it's far from a given.  There are just too many other possibilities and options available, and (to me) that big honkin' callout to Adam in Fan Fiction (which I just watched the other day which is why it sticks in my mind) is something to be considered.  I choose to be hopeful. *sigh*

[catrox14]

IMO,  OG Michael has a lot of possibilities of how to be used.

There is only the word of the lying supposedly dead Lucifer that Michael was crazy and unable to function. And Lucifer had every reason to denigrate him so he could be the bigger, stronger, better brother and destroy Michael's reputation. Remember in s12 when he referred to  Michael as his little brother?? 

Michael could have gotten out of the cage when it cracked.  Remember back when the Darkness smoke monster came out? There was a winged creature flying out of it.  I remember there was a lot of discussion of whether it was Lucifer or Michael or just a bird but it didn't really look like a bird.  We know Lucifer was still in the Cage because Rowena  used that spell to move into a faux cage.  I would give the show a lot of credit if they go back to that and say that was Michael flying away.

I know Chuck said Michael was in no shape for a fight in s11, but who knows why he said that other than at that time the show didn't want Michael to be a factor.  It could very well be that Chuck has known all along Michael wasn't in the Cage and was protecting him for other future reasons.  Or alternately, considering he flounced off during the Apocalypse and wouldn't even come back when Amara was killing humanity until Dean shouted at him and called him a dick, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know and didn't care to know.  (Even more Dean and John parallels there, just sayin').   

[Aeryn13]

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Also Jared said at the Con that he hopes to see a good deal of Michael/Dean and ALSO said he has seen thru 6 scripts...so I think Jared wouldn't add his hope if he did not know we get Michael/Dean thru at least 6 episodes. 

If the story ends by episode 2 or 3 and they both know it and this was just an attempt at subterfuge, I have to say it would have been in really bad taste. Especially since he said it in conjunction with Demon!Dean which was cut short exactly like this. 

Somehow, though, I don`t think the writers have the cojones to change the status quo for more than 2 episodes or the creativity to work around it. I mean, how do they keep their usual formula with standalones (episode 4 at the latest) with Michael!Dean? It could absolutely be done but it would need some really creative writing. And all the writers for all those episodes would have to talk to each other and build their stories on each other. Normally should be standard operating procedure in a TV show but is unheard of in SPN.     

[gonzosgirrl]

I'm betting either a re-powered Jack kills AU!Michael in the end, or they somehow redeem AU!Michael and he decides to rebuild/repower/repopulate (ew) Heaven.

[Bobcatkitten]

Some spec that when Dean kicks Michael out he could use Mark P. as a vessel. That would keep him around but not be Lucifer. That would mean making Michael a little more scary otherwise how would you know it was Michael vs. Lucifer? 

[gonzosgirrl]

6 minutes ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Some spec that when Dean kicks Michael out he could use Mark P. as a vessel. That would keep him around but not be Lucifer. That would mean making Michael a little more scary otherwise how would you know it was Michael vs. Lucifer? 

With this crop of writers lead by Dabb? Probably by the neon sign over his head flashing "MICHAEL" in neon letters.

[catrox14]

9 minutes ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Some spec that when Dean kicks Michael out he could use Mark P. as a vessel. That would keep him around but not be Lucifer. That would mean making Michael a little more scary otherwise how would you know it was Michael vs. Lucifer? 

This would piss me off more than him being Lucifer. that owuld mean Mark P. will have been both Michael and Lucifer and I am so not okay with that.

[Pondlass1]

19 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

Somehow, though, I don`t think the writers have the cojones to change the status quo for more than 2 episodes or the creativity to work around it. I mean, how do they keep their usual formula with standalones (episode 4 at the latest) with Michael!Dean? It could absolutely be done but it would need some really creative writing. And all the writers for all those episodes would have to talk to each other and build their stories on each other. Normally should be standard operating procedure in a TV show but is unheard of in SPN. 

This is the issue.  We didn't know Sam was soulless so arcs and MOTWs could continue.  But how can they do this with Dean/Michael?  

Well, there are lots of ways. Some clever ideas have even been posted here.  I agree it takes creativity and writers actually networking with each other while a showrunner pulls it all together.  

But instead it will be Sam & Co. searching for a spell and Dean/Michael being a little bit bad (not too much to upset fans).  

If only stories and characters on this series could have an arc and not just go in a circle.

[companionenvy]

I do think the show may allow  Dean/Michael to be worse than Demon Dean, because the line is clearer - DemonDean was a radically altered version of Dean, but he wasn't not Dean, whereas Michael is just a different guy wearing his meatsuit. When Meg possessed Sam way back in season 2, she did kill people in his body, and, of course, Gadreel killed Kevin while possessing Sam. 

But yeah, after recent comments, I doubt it is going to be a real arc in any case. 

[Pondlass1]

33 minutes ago, companionenvy said:

DemonDean was a radically altered version of Dean, but he wasn't not Dean, whereas Michael is just a different guy wearing his meatsuit.

I know right?  So it should provide more leeway for writers as it's not  our Dean that will be sullied.  Someone mentioned Angel/Angelus scenario. Angelus was truly evil in the beginning, even feeding from babies, but as years past and the series became established and then Angelus reappeared -- well, he was beyond wimpy to say the least so's not to upset the boat with Angel fans.

I think the same will happen with Dean/Michael.  Fans are already being annoying - clamouring for 'Sam to Save Dean'.  It's these fans that make the most noise, have TPTB's ear (or so it seems) and zero imagination - they want status quo and everything tied up with pink bows.

I'm keeping fingers crossed  writers give Jensen a shot.

Edited July 17, 2018 by Pondlass1

[bozodegama]

I don't know, I'm not that excited about Michael/Dean.  I, personally, just want Dean back and being Dean.  Why do we need him to be someone else?  Dean's the best part of the show (imo) and we need him.  Imo, anytime Dean spends not being Dean is a waste of time.  But that's just me.  Does anyone know if there's any talk of bringing back any old characters?  I hope they bring back Crowley but they prob won't do it until the last season (15?)  

[companionenvy]

2 hours ago, Pondlass1 said:

I know right?  So it should provide more leeway for writers as it's not  our Dean that will be sullied.  Someone mentioned Angel/Angelus scenario. Angelus was truly evil in the beginning, even feeding from babies, but as years past and the series became established and then Angelus reappeared -- well, he was beyond wimpy to say the least so's not to upset the boat with Angel fans.

I think the same will happen with Dean/Michael.  Fans are already being annoying - clamouring for 'Sam to Save Dean'.  It's these fans that make the most noise, have TPTB's ear (or so it seems) and zero imagination - they want status quo and everything tied up with pink bows.

I'm keeping fingers crossed  writers give Jensen a shot.

I was actually thinking about Angel/Angelus when I posted, and I agree that the writers wimped out once Angel got his own series, as is sadly typical in these kinds of situations in Sci-Fi/Fantasy shows.  But that's still essentially the Demon!Dean scenario, not the same actor playing a totally different character possessing his regular characters.

I also think the concern that fandom would be upset is overblown. There's no reason to think fans who want Sam to save Dean would have any particular problem with Michael being a douche, even if writers are operating under the premise that they need to listen to particularly vocal but not necessarily representative segments of fandom in the first place. 

[Myrelle]

Whew! Finally found a little time to post here.

So happy to hear that Lucifer is dead, dead. I'm sure they can bring him back in flashbacks being that they're so enamored with Pellegrino.

Mean(LOVE! this!!) is my raison d'etre, at this point; and as regards continuing to watch this show. 

After just watching The Prisoner again on TNT, I cannot convey how much I would love to see a cold and calculating Mean in episode after episode after episode in S14. Jensen owned that episode and that role and I'm positive that he could won the Michael role in a similar fashion for far longer than 1-3 episodes. And they owe it to him to let him run with an "other" role, IMO. It's past time. That said, we should also see powers from him, too. He's an Archangel. I want to see him actually BE an Archangel or this "arc" will be lessened immensely, no matter the length of time it runs for.

Not sure what to think of the fact that Dean knows he's being possessed. It could be a positive or a negative depending on what they do with that. Not optimistic, considering who "they" are, though, and how "they" have written Dean in the last few seasons.

I'd LOVE! to keep Mean until the winter hiatus-the same length of time that Soulless Sam hung around for, so yes, I'm also hopeful that this time they won't try to appease that one segment of fandom that they usually cater to the most.

Keeping him until the 300th episode would be like a dream come true with the 300th focused on that and all that Dean is and means to the show, the fandom, and the cast of characters...

Yeah, I know, it's more like an impossible dream, again considering who's running things these days.

Hopeful, but also dreading what comes out of Comic Con.

And I'll take Mean clean shaven, stubbled, or bearded. Jensen can make any look work like charm for me. ;-)

[gonzosgirrl]

I don't know if there are any other QAF fans here, but Dean Armstrong was Blake on the show (Ted's twink boyfriend turned addiction counselor).

ETA I don't know if wicked is supposed to be a clue... a witch maybe?

Dean's a good actor and a nice guy. I hope it's a good role! 

[ILoveReading]

I'm guessing he's the one who beats up Cas.

[gonzosgirrl]

9 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

I'm guessing he's the one who beats up Cas.

Could be. He emphasizes Hell in his tweet so I'm assuming he plays a baddie and not a VOTW. 

[ZennyKenny]

On 7/14/2018 at 3:56 PM, Casseiopeia said:

That last answer is weird.  I knew that our Michael wasn't a good guy but I didn't know that our Michael wanted to eliminate all but 5000 people.  When did they say that...other than right now?

That's a weirdly specific number to choose. 144,000 would make more sense cos at least it'd be biblical.

[gonzosgirrl]

So Jensen says he was 'surprised' by the answer to how long he would be playing Mean. Also that the question of whether Mean would help the Heaven situation is addressed in 14x01.

He said he hopes for enough time to explore the character,  and that they don't know what 300 will be about.

He suggested him and Sam on the couch with a bucket of beers, reminiscing.

Edited July 21, 2018 by gonzosgirrl

[Pondlass1]

I think he also intimated Mean might be kinda mean - which I'm looking forward to. Jensen playing evil... Yum 

[Myrelle]

14 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

So Jensen says he was 'surprised' by the answer to how long he would be playing Mean. Also that the question of whether Mean would help the Heaven situation is addressed in 14x01.

He seemed pretty happy about that answer to me and he again reiterated that all he really wanted out of this new role was time to develop the character and that he really felt like it was stretching his acting muscles out and giving him chance to flex them once again and that he felt challenged as an actor again. All things that I was hoping to hear, tbh.

 And yes, Mean sounds mean and cold and I'm going to go ahead and guess that it's Naomi who he speaks to about helping Heaven in the premiere.

[BabySpinach]

5 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

He seemed pretty happy about that answer to me and he again reiterated that all he really wanted out of this new role was time to develop the character and that he really felt like it was stretching his acting muscles out and giving him chance to flex them once again and that he felt challenged as an actor again. All things that I was hoping to hear, tbh.

 And yes, Mean sounds mean and cold and I'm going to go ahead and guess that it's Naomi who he speaks to about helping Heaven in the premiere.

That's awesome! Now I feel safer to eagerly anticipate season 14. Hallelujah!

[S Cook Productions]

So I wonder who beats the crap out of Cas in the premiere, Naomi?

[Myrelle]

2 minutes ago, S Cook Productions said:

So I wonder who beats the crap out of Cas in the premiere, Naomi?

Still nothing on that. And Naomi is just a blind guess. He didn't really give anything away in that interview, but as I said he seemed really upbeat about playing the new character. He said that it was tougher coming back and having to create another character and that he missed being Dean at first because of that. He intimated that he's trying to give Mean some layers, but so far he thinks that it's all him trying to do that and that it's hard and he felt kind of "rusty". 

He must have really wanted this, IMO.  

[BabySpinach]

2 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

Still nothing on that. And Naomi is just a blind guess. He didn't really give anything away in that interview, but as I said he seemed really upbeat about playing the new character. He said that it was tougher coming back and having to create another character and that he missed being Dean at first because of that. He intimated that he's trying to give Mean some layers, but so far he thinks that it's all him trying to do that and that it's hard and he felt kind of "rusty". 

He must have really wanted this, IMO.  

What gives me hope is that Jensen was "surprised" by how long he would be playing Mean. If it were for a short time, it wouldn't be a surprise given Deanmon's premature end and his displeasure with that.

He was also quietly charming, modest, and witty as usual. And that little secretive, mischievous smile when he's teasing the upcoming season.... *siiiiiiiiiigghhhhhhh*

[Myrelle]

Just now, BabySpinach said:

What gives me hope is that Jensen was "surprised" by how long he would be playing Mean. If it were for a short time, it wouldn't be a surprise given Deanmon's premature end and his displeasure with that.

He was also quietly charming, modest, and witty as usual. And that little secretive, mischievous smile when he's teasing the upcoming season.... *siiiiiiiiiigghhhhhhh*

IA with all of these thoughts. ;-)

But we still have to hear from Dabb and Singer, so I'm still trying to keep my feet on the ground, too. 

[Lemuria]

Can I ask where we can find this interview? Sounds like there might be some good news. ?

[Casseiopeia]

2 minutes ago, Lemuria said:

Can I ask where we can find this interview? Sounds like there might be some good news. ?

The media thread has the link.

[Lemuria]

Thanks!

[Bobcatkitten]

I'm feeling good now that Michael!Dean won't be cut short. Very excited now.

 

I had the feeling the angel that Michael!Dean reaches out to might be Sister Jo (or whatever her name is). He said an angel we may or may not have met before but had a smirk. And we know Danneel was in Vancouver last week. 

[Myrelle]

9 hours ago, Bobcatkitten said:

I'm feeling good now that Michael!Dean won't be cut short. Very excited now.

 

I had the feeling the angel that Michael!Dean reaches out to might be Sister Jo (or whatever her name is). He said an angel we may or may not have met before but had a smirk. And we know Danneel was in Vancouver last week. 

So I've watched that interview four times now and *I* think that he almost answered "It's longer than I expected or thought it would be..." when asked the question about how long he'll be Michael, but then he thought better of that and went with "surprised". Just my take on that, of course.

And he wouldn't look at the camera when he was talking about the mystery angel that he converses with about Heaven's plight, so IA that Anael is a good guess, too-probably an even better one if Danneel was in Vancouver last week, which I didn't know. And her character wouldn't shy away from Michael at all, that's for sure.

His Adorableness keeps calling to me to re-watch that interview. It's Off The Charts, quite frankly. ;-)

[Lemuria]

Do you have to be on Facebook to see this interview?  Is it anywhere else?

 

thanks. 

[Myrelle]

Not sure about having to be on Facebook to see it, but I just saw it posted on tumblr, too.

[gonzosgirrl]

31 minutes ago, Lemuria said:

Do you have to be on Facebook to see this interview?  Is it anywhere else?

 

thanks. 

 

You don't need to be on Facebook to watch - at least I wasn't signed in.

[Aeryn13]

What I`m not loving is that the newsboy cap continues on. The suit was fine but the hat wasn`t my thing. I had hoped the character would ditch it. 

So that sounds like they`re playing Michael as a real villain - which nominally, I don`t have such a problem with if the character becomes a bit more nuanced over time. Ahem.

And additionally he`ll be a "fish out of water" in our world. Which, frankly, I find somewhat bizarre. Apocalypse world hasn`t been apocalyptic for the last few millenia so no modern human civilization ever got started there. When did the apocalypse happen, not even10 years ago? So why would Michael find our world radically new then? I know things have changed from say 2010 but you wouldn`t get a cultural shock to jump from 2010 to 2018 and not recognize anything anymore. Come on.   

I also found the question about the apocalypse happening rather odd. Obviously, it hasn`t. And least of all due to the badly shot marionette fight. Was kind of concept does the interviewer have of the term "apocalypse"? There will never be an apocalypse happening in our world in SPN. This ain`t the 100.    

Edited July 21, 2018 by Aeryn13

[gonzosgirrl]

I think the 'wonders' of our world are more along the lines of relative peace, freedom, no wastelands (at least not in the USA). If the Apocalypse started in AU the way it was supposed to start here, with the fight between Michael and Lucifer which resulted in him killing Luci, then he probably didn't experience 'Earth' before the destruction began. So simple things like street food or the neon lights of Vegas, etc, would be new to Michael.

[Pondlass1]

6 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

I also found the question about the apocalypse happening rather odd.

I doubt she watches regularly.

[catrox14]

2 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I think the 'wonders' of our world are more along the lines of relative peace, freedom, no wastelands (at least not in the USA). If the Apocalypse started in AU the way it was supposed to start here, with the fight between Michael and Lucifer which resulted in him killing Luci, then he probably didn't experience 'Earth' before the destruction began. So simple things like street food or the neon lights of Vegas, etc, would be new to Michael.

And I'm convinced it will be about humanity and sex.  I think I said awhile back that I think AU Michael will hook up with  Sister Jo, thus she will be the "wonder" he sees.  I'm 100% convinced of it.

[gonzosgirrl]

2 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

And I'm convinced it will be about humanity and sex.  I think I said awhile back that I think AU Michael will hook up with  Sister Jo, thus she will be the "wonder" he sees.  I'm 100% convinced of it.

Yes, I think that will be part of it, too. Since he gained the power here without having to have the apocalyptic fight with Lucifer, so many things will be different for him. There will be no pressure, except from Sam/Cas/Jack & company, which will probably prove fruitless at first, so there is time for him to explore these 'good' things. And the angels will no doubt see him as a savior, which will probably be good for his ego and he might wanna keep that awhile.

[Aeryn13]

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I think the 'wonders' of our world are more along the lines of relative peace, freedom, no wastelands (at least not in the USA). If the Apocalypse started in AU the way it was supposed to start here, with the fight between Michael and Lucifer which resulted in him killing Luci, then he probably didn't experience 'Earth' before the destruction began. 

I just find it so odd that Michael would have never at least looked how humans lived, what their world looked like. Before he turned it into a wasteland. The way I always pictured it was angels didn`t interact (much) before Season 4 but at least had technical knowledge of the human realm. 

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I doubt she watches regularly.

I`m not sure. But even so does she not know what an apocalypse scenario looks like? It was very clear by the end of Season 13 that the world went on like usual. I wouldn`t even think of "apocalypse" from that. The apocalypse world, sure, it looked the part. I really thought being able to distinguish between what qualifies as an apocalypse and what doesn`t wouldbe a no-brainer honestly.  

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And the angels will no doubt see him as a savior, which will probably be good for his ego and he might wanna keep that awhile.

From the way Jensen worded it, I`m not entirely sure. He said that Michael would approach an angel (IMO either Naomi or Anael, likely the latter) and ask about if the situation was salvageable. Now obviously, he will not simply go to Heaven, sit there and keep the lights on (which Naomi was necessary, for the archangel to be physically IN heaven to be of help) so something doesn`t pan out there. 

Either the angels reject him - which would be utterly silly, they were willing to bow down to Lucy just for keeping him around) - or he says no to permanent heaven.     

Edited July 21, 2018 by Aeryn13

[catrox14]

Just now, Aeryn13 said:

I just find it so odd that Michael would have never at least looked how humans lived, what their world looked like. Before he turned it into a wasteland. The way I always pictured it was angels didn`t interact (much) before Season 4 but at least had technical knowledge of the human realm. 

 

I`m not sure. But even so does she not know what an apocalypse scenario looks like? It was very clear by the end of Season 13 that the world went on like usual. I wouldn`t even think of "apocalypse" from that. The apocalypse world, sure, it looked the part. I really thought being able to distinguish between what qualifies as an apocalypse and what doesn`t wouldbe a no-brainer honestly.  

I had the impression she was referring to the fight between Lucifer and Michael!Dean and how that was supposed to destroy the world /be an apocalypse.   I know a lot of viewers thought the fight at the end of s13 would be apocalyptic.  I'm heartened that Jensen's understanding is that AU Michael isn't the same Michael so the fight didn't destroy the world.

[Aeryn13]

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I had the impression she was referring to the fight between Lucifer and Michael!Dean and how that was supposed to destroy the world /be an apocalypse. 

Yes, but she saw the episode, she saw that the world was very clearly not destroyed. Not even that church setting was destroyed. It was as far from an apocalypse onscreen as could be. No matter what was said in Season 5 on what was "supposed to happen". Important thing is: it didn`t. And she still asked her question like "well, now the apocalypse kinda happened because those two fought". That`s why I think she doesn`t understand what the word "apocalypse" even means and what you have to show onscreen to present one. A gigantic wave of fire and radiation racing over the planet and destroying everything in its path is an apocalypse. The Season 13 Finale wasn`t. 

[Pondlass1]

Oh dear.  I'd forgotten all about Heaven and it's utility issues. Maybe if they used LED lightbulbs...?  I really hope Michael doesn't spend any time up there.  It's the most boring and cheap-looking scenario.  I'm hoping Michael stays on Earth.  Learns about Earth (well the USA version only - I doubt Kim Jong-un will feature) and maybe begins a course to take control - with Dean fighting him at every turn.

[ILoveReading]

I had the impression that she got our world and the apocalypse world mixed up.