Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Souris]

The first seven minutes of the premiere are up on ABC.com -- if you have one of the approved cable/satellite companies, which I don't.

[SilverShadow]

I do and the app is glitchy. I logged in and watched for a bit, then suddenly it said I wasn't in the U.S. (I am) and kciked me out. I'm trying to get back in and it's giving em errors. Le siggggh.

 

ETA: Hooray got to watch til the end!

Edited September 22, 2014 by SilverShadow

[Rumsy4]

You can see two Regina clips in this person's youtube channel. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCQQJCE_dzeuto0h-9R7qNhQ

Regina, Emma has saved your ass so many times--try some self-awareness.

[RadioGirl27]

Here is the scene outside the dinner. Very bad quality (both the video and the scene). Everytime I'm less interested in this season. If I want fanfiction, I would read the good one. At this point I'm only watching for Emma and Hook, and I'm sure they are going to mess with them.

[YaddaYadda]

I'd like for Marian to turn around and tell Snow how she got thrown in a cell and nearly got executed for trying to protect her.  I think that would be fun (for me).

[Rumsy4]

I wanted to shake Snow. She's always worried about Regina first. She did the same when Rumple died.

[sharky]

You can see two Regina clips in this person's youtube channel. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCQQJCE_dzeuto0h-9R7qNhQ

Regina, Emma has saved your ass so many times--try some self-awareness.

To be fair, we are seeing this clip four or five months after the last episode. For Regina, it's an instant after seeing Marian. I'm hoping we'll get some self-awareness after this -- hoping! -- but I would be pretty pissy and emotional too in the heat of the moment. Like Hook said, give her time.

[ShadowFacts]

A bit of cheezoid dialogue outside the diner.  Doesn't bode well.

[stealinghome]

The book thing makes no sense to me. Didn't we see in the finale that the books reflects what goes on? When CS change the past, the book changes too. It looks like it's simply a chronicle of what actually happened, not something that determines fate.

This. Additionally, I don't think the book has ever shown the future before--if it had, why wouldn't the good guys be ahead of the curve on every single bad guy??? Wasn't the whole point of the book that it only tells you where the story's been, not where it's going?

 

I'm going to reserve judgment until I see the episode, but if they do have the book suddenly telling the future I'm going to call major BS on that retcon. It just makes no sense.

[l star]

I'm with Hook. Emma, sweetie, when Regina says not now take her at her word.

This scene makes it very clear that Regina really doesn't have a clue who Marion is beyond being Robin's wife. Knowing that gives her reaction a lot of context for me. Why would she immediately feel like she deserves this? She doesn't know her role in it until Emma tells her. Her reaction is callous regardless but it is Regina. I didn't think it was that bad.

It bugged me that right after Marion heard Henry call Regina mom, she reached down to pick up her son protectively and yell that Regina was a monster in front of Henry. I know that Marian is upset but it didn't endear her to me at all. At least I found her very sympathetic in the rest of the scene. Robin on the other hand is a moron once again.

I loved the Charmings for the first time in a while in this scene which is awesome. I miss liking them. Of course Snow asked about Regina. She and her love for Regina are a textbook example of how irrational emotions can be. Also she knows Regina and doesn't seem to have a clue who Marion is so of course that is where her concern would go first. And I laughed that soon after David said things were okay because no one had been incinerated yet, Regina just almost did just that. He amuses me with regards to Regina. He knows she's nuts and he knows Snow loves her so he just tries to keep everyone alive.

[YaddaYadda]

if they do have the book suddenly telling the future I'm going to call major BS on that retcon. It just makes no sense.

 

That wouldn't make sense either, because then everyone would know how the story ends which would be a total moot point.  If Marian is supposed to die, then Regina can just sit back and wait for her to do just that. 

[InsertWordHere]

I noticed that Sleepy and Grumpy are in a van when Elsa freezes them. At least the Miata escaped this time!

 

ETA: First seven minutes Interesting that it says "a long time ago" for the ship flashback, but I guess it could be considered a long time ago even if Elsa and Snow are contemporaries, since the parents died when Anna and Elsa were teenagers plus the couple of years in the original story plus however long Elsa was queen before she was urned plus her time in the urn plus 28 years.

Edited September 22, 2014 by InsertWordHere

[Serena]

The cast previews season 4

 

“Mary Margaret is making things that happen with Regina and other characters not her business." Cool. Because it's not like you made the things that happened between you and Regina everyone's business, right? It's not like countless people's lives were ruined because of it. Just wash your hands of it.

It seems like Snow is definitely becoming the mayor. 

Edited September 22, 2014 by Serena

[Mari]

“Elsa shows up in her blue dress in Mary Margaret’s apartment,” said Ginnifer Goodwin, though the actress noted that Mary Margaret will not be directly involved with the “Frozen” story. “Mary Margaret is making things that happen with Regina and other characters not her business. She’s going to work on her own relationship with Regina,” a storyline Goodwin believes is going to make fans of the show happy.

 

Unless it involves Mary Margaret pointing out to Regina that Regina repeatedly victimized her, and probably deserves an apology or fifty herself?  No. 

 

Why does so much of what I'm reading about the coming season make me think they have no clue about what's happened--and not happened--on their own story?

 

And in the following paragraph, she talks about Nealflake making her think about baby Emma, and what she's missed.  I think this means that I'm right, and those scenes we kept saying they needed to include earlier, are going to be quickly glanced at now, when they'll be not only short-changed, but no longer emotionally relevant to the audience.

 

I'd do my "I was right!" shoulder dance, but I'm too annoyed.

Edited September 22, 2014 by Mari

[RadioGirl27]

ETA: First seven minutes

The only thing I like there is Georgina. She looks great. But the rest is a big no. I don't like the actress playing Anna or the actors playing the parents. And the scene outside the dinner is awful. Robin is a useless tool.

And in the following paragraph, she talks about Nealflake making her think about baby Emma, and what she's missed. 

And who is responsible of that, Snow? Oh, yes, Regina. And yet, she is going to work on her relationship with her.

 

Morrison remained mum on upcoming peeks into Emma’s past, and life in foster care, though the actress did tease that the story is “incredibly unexpected. What they reveal about part of her past is something that I didn’t see coming,” she exclaimed, “but I think it really adds a layer of depth to the storytelling that’s going to bring people even closer to the edge of their seats.”

So, we are getting a new trauma from her past. Who is responsible for that horrible past? Oh, yes, Regina. And yet, Emma has to fight for Regina's happy ending.

 

God, I hate this show so much.

[YaddaYadda]

Oh that CGI was as bad as those two actors they picked to play the parents.  The actress who plays Elsa seems to have good presence.

 

Oh Snow!  When will you ever get your head out of your you know what?  Regina stole 28 years of life with your daughter from you.

[Mari]

And who is responsible of that, Snow? Oh, yes, Regina. And yet, she is going to work on her relationship with her.

 

 

It seems like Snow is definitely becoming the mayor. 

So, basically, Snow's going to become mayor so that she can victimized poor, defenseless, never-evil-only misunderstood Regina some more and everyone can realize how much more they liked it when Regina was mayor, isn't she?  Then, she'll have to apologize at least as many times as she did for "murdering" Cora for taking away Regina's job. 

 

Or am I too suspicious?

Edited September 22, 2014 by Mari

[Rumsy4]

Georgina looks great as Elsa! I think she'll steal every scene she's in.

I don't blame Marian for going off on Regina in front of Henry. Does she even know he's Regina's son? Her first concern would be her own son, and coming to grips with the entire bizzare situation.

[KingOfHearts]

 

ETA: First seven minutes

 

 I can definitely tell a difference in the quality of writing with Regina and Emma. I thought their characters reacted very well - better than what we saw in the 3B finale. As for Marian - those against Woegina finally got their voice. I really liked her line, "Did you let her near my son?" I love how she was so shocked that everyone was being nice to Regina after all the horrible Evil Queen stuff she's done. It all felt much more organic.

Grumpy and Sleepy LOL. I love how Sleepy is Grumpy's designated driver of all people, then he falls asleep at the wheel. We need more priceless secondary character moments like that. Elsa freaking out about the car though... I guess she doesn't have carriages in her land.

 

Henry's stupid line of the episode: "You don't think she'll become evil again?" I can see he hasn't changed a bit over hiatus. The black-and-whiteness there is pretty cartoony, imo.

 

Anna and Elsa both look awesome!

 

 

“and she’s being expected to rule as she did in the Enchanted Forest.”

Better start that exodus to leave Storybrooke. It'll be a smoking crater soon enough. Her council will be a bunch of victimized criminals who just want to be happy, right?

Edited September 22, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[formerlyfreedom]

Okay, I think we've exhausted the Regina/Robin/Marian conversation in here for now. Since this is the Spoiler topic, let's get back to those. Being upset with where they're taking that story is NOT a spoiler, and everything has been said (more than once); posts will be deleted from this point on. Thanks.

[Rumsy4]

I liked how Hook runs to Emma and holds her arm to stop her from running after Regina. They're definitely becoming more comfortable with touching. hehe Until the 3B finale, Emma and Hook barely ever touch. Even in the Neverland kiss, she holds on to his collar for the most part. It's nice to see the intimacy developing between them. 

[kili]

I really like Georgina. She managed to create a presence in just a few short scenes.

 

Meanwhile, that is the goofiest boat sinking I've seen in a long time. There didn't seem to be a lot of stress (it kind of reminded me of when I have to look for a pen, so that was kind of realistic. Elsa's Mom needs to learn to be a little more efficient. Look how Neal whipped off a message in less time), just a lot of water. I laughed at the bottle being a reliable way to get their last message off (it's better than Federal Express....when it absolutely, positively, has to be there in five or six years). Then the boat flipped over and I laughed some more. Seriously, CGI guys? I've seen better effects in homemade movies featuring lego characters.

 

It's a good thing the parents died because they were terrible actors.

 

Grumpy and Sleepy were brilliant.

[sharky]

I was just distracted by the fact that they obviously repainted Killian's captain's quarters. Nooo! I want the damn Jolly Roger back.

[Curio]

Then the boat flipped over and I laughed some more. Seriously, CGI guys? I've seen better effects in homemade movies featuring lego characters.

I actually thought they were purposely trying to copy the way the ship sunk in the Frozen movie. Compared to some other crappy CGI effects on this show, that scene looks like Michelangelo. 

[kili]

I actually thought they were purposely trying to copy the way the ship sunk in the Frozen movie.

 

 

The way the ship sank in Frozen was more realistic and way more dramatic. This boat flips over.

 

Compared to some other crappy CGI effects on this show, that scene looks like Michelangelo.

 

 

Fair point.

[retrograde]

Every time I see that "Road maintained by the Storybrooke Beautification Society" sign that Elsa passes, I laugh. I don't know who is in the Storybrooke Beautification Society, but they must hate the main characters, because they are constantly destroying the town. 

 

Apparently the thing they've been building in Steveston is the exterior of the Sheriff's station. This guy says they might not be filming outside quite as much as planned tomorrow because it is forecast to rain.

[SiobhanJW]

I tend to think the book is from the future somehow, and that Henry himself is the writer.

I really like that theory!! Good call!!

[Souris]

I really like Georgina. She managed to create a presence in just a few short scenes.

I agree. I haven't seen her in anything before, and I figured Elsa would be almost as near-impossible to cast successfully as Finnick Odair, but Georgina seems utterly perfect for the role. She definitely has presence.

 

I'm with those who thought the shipwreck scene was pretty bad. The tone and pacing were just weird.

 

God, I wanted to slap Regina so hard with her insta-blame and victiming and "Poor me!" and "You screwed up as usual" to Emma. I wanted to tell Marian to bring Roland and come sit by me.

 

I did love, "Well, that party went downhill fast!"

[kili]

Apparently the thing they've been building in Steveston is the exterior of the Sheriff's station.

 

Interesting that they didn't make the exterior windows match the interior ones (where the windows outside of the cell are wider and the windows inside the cell are narrower and closer together). Maybe they found a new interior set as well.

[Serena]

Aurora and Cinderella are in town. 

Also, they're testing some special effects for today's filming and there's Emma, Hook, Rumple and Elsa on set.

[RadioGirl27]

It seems those special effects are some kind of explosion.

[dassala]

It seems those special effects are some kind of explosion.

 

Look closely - the jail wall is busted out. The explosion seems to be a jailbreak!

[NotBothered]

I looks like more of an implosion -- the light pole has gone through the wall (that is some crappy construction...).

 

Are we still on the same episode as the photos Jen tweeted of her and Colin at the sheriff's station, or are we on to the next one?

[kili]

Look closely - the jail wall is busted out. The explosion seems to be a jailbreak!

 

Who would break Hook out of jail? The only one who is likely to do that is Emma and she probably put him in there. I kind of hope it's Grumpy and his fellow dwarves (and Doc's Miata gets wrecked again).

 

Elsa might want to save him, but she'd use ice. Maybe somebody is trying to kill him (but that's most likely Rumple and he'd just turn him into dust).

[YaddaYadda]

Maybe they want people to believe he broke out.  I'm excited about Hook's side of the story, I'm just hoping it's something that makes sense.

 

Also, that line that was posted from Ep1 about him dying (in the context of waiting for Emma) is so very likely a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Something is so happening to him!

[RadioGirl27]

More actors on set: Emilie, Josh, Ginny and Jared.

 

 

Also, that line that was posted from Ep1 about him dying (in the context of waiting for Emma) is so very likely a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Something is so happening to him!

 

Yeah, I've been thinking about that today. I'm pretty sure something is going to happen to him. He is far too popular to kill him, but I think he is going to be cursed, kidnapped, badly hurt or something like that, so Emma would realize that life it's too short and all that.

Edited September 23, 2014 by RadioGirl27

[Curio]

Are we sure that's a light pole that crashed through? Or is it just a bulky piece of equipment being used to create the scene or part of the filming equipment?
 
I kind of like the idea of Hook breaking himself out by creating some kind of explosion from inside the cell. The Season 2 deleted scene has already shown him escaping from handcuffs in a hospital bed with one hand, so I guess there's continuity there...
 

Also, that line that was posted from Ep1 about him dying (in the context of waiting for Emma) is so very likely a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Something is so happening to him!

Yup. I just hope it's not too similar to the Hook drowning situation. If he's close to death, I don't want it easily solved by true love's kiss. (We can save that for 4B...)
 
ETA:

Who would break Hook out of jail?

Maybe one of the villains want to use him for their plan, so they break him out in a not very subtle manner. (This is, of course, assuming Hook is even in the jail cell.)

Edited September 23, 2014 by Curio

[kili]

Are we sure that's a light pole that crashed through?

 

yvrshoots did mention something with a lamp post coming down when she talked about the set they were building last week.

[KingOfHearts]

 

Aurora and Cinderella are in town.

Wasn't there a spoiler about someone having a connection to someone from S1? It could be Ashley. I can't remember if they said the person would just appear or that they had the connection to a new character. Regardless, Cinderella is the Knave's step-sister-in-law.

 

 

Look closely - the jail wall is busted out. The explosion seems to be a jailbreak!

It doesn't seem to line up with the sheriff office windows in Hat Trick? Could be wrong. I'm always looking for inconsistencies like that, such as Elsa's dress.

 

 

Yeah, I've been thinking about that today. I'm pretty sure something is going to happen to him. He is far too popular to kill him, but I think he is going to be cursed, kidnapped, badly hurt or something like that, so Emma would realize that life it's too short and all that.

My prediction is he'll be frozen or something. Maybe not by Elsa, but perhaps the Snow Queen. If there's some act of true love, then it would be probably be more meaningful than a TLK. After that Anna/Elsa parallel in the study, I'd say we're going to get Frozen parallels out the wazoo this half-season.

 

I'd like to point out that the Do You Want to Build a Snowman song was early in the movie. It would be interesting if they paralleled each song in order.

 

 

Apparently the hook is back...

Ugh, seriously? Now that's just cruel. I don't think the writers like to stick with anything.

Edited September 23, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[NotBothered]

 

Are we sure that's a light pole that crashed through?

I'm pretty sure that that when we first heard about the building going up there was mention of an "effect involving a light pole."  Although it doesn't visually make a ton of sense, unless there is a lot of additional set dressing to do.

[Curio]

yvrshoots did mention something with a lamp post coming down when she talked about the set they were building last week.

Ah, I must have missed that one. That's why I keep up with this thread!

[Shanna Marie]

Who would break Hook out of jail?

Rumple seems to be using him for something in earlier episodes (maybe, though it's possible that it's the other way around), so although it's counterintuitive to think of Rumple doing anything to help Hook, he might bust him out to keep using him, so that the jail break would be a bad thing for Hook if he was safe in jail. But I think Rumple would just poof him out in a cloud of red smoke (or is he purple? I keep getting it mixed up with Regina's color) rather than making a mess.

 

But destroying the building would be a reason they'd have had to build a new one, since I doubt any of the actual building owners would be okay with that (unless they were lucky enough to find a building that was already scheduled for demolition).

[NotBothered]

Apparently the hook is back...

 

And Emma is in some sort of danger.

Edited September 23, 2014 by NotBothered

[Souris]

Apparently the hook is back...

 

I expected that, but it happened quicker than I figured.

 

I expect somebody is breaking Hook out of jail -- or he's breaking himself out. I thought that maybe Rumple was controlling him somehow via the hand, but if he's got the hook back, that's not it. Unless it contained an imbedded IED that is the source of the explosion, LOL.

 

And, yes, that "if I don't die while waiting" line to be anvilicious foreshadowing. Again, I'm in the corner chanting "Kai! Gerda!"

[Serena]

I looks like more of an implosion -- the light pole has gone through the wall (that is some crappy construction...).

 

Are we still on the same episode as the photos Jen tweeted of her and Colin at the sheriff's station, or are we on to the next one?

I think this is the next one. I think the Jen/Colin jail scene was in 406, and this is 407 (The Snow Queen)

 

Call me mean, but I'm so happy about the hook being back! *does happy dance because one of her fave characters once again got maimed*

Edited September 23, 2014 by Serena

[NotBothered]

And, yes, that "if I don't die while waiting" line to be anvilicious foreshadowing. Again, I'm in the corner chanting "Kai! Gerda!"

As soon as "explosion" was mentioned I excitedly whispered "Actual shards?!" to an empty room.

Edited September 23, 2014 by NotBothered

[sharky]

The hook is back but what about the clothes? I wonder if he's in his typical pirate get up or if he's wearing his hook with the new costume.

[YaddaYadda]

Call me mean, but I'm so happy about the hook being back!

 

I may or may not have been totally excited that the hook is back.

[NotBothered]

The hook is back but what about the clothes? I wonder if he's in his typical pirate get up or if he's wearing his hook with the new costume.

Word on the street is modern clothes + hook.

[Souris]

Video of filming.

 

Hmm. Looks like the whole gang run toward the station (including Hook, so it's not a jailbreak), and at the end of the scene Emma runs off. Interesting.

 

I think she must cause the explosion and the light pole coming down, possibly hurting David, and it freaks her out and she runs off. I hear MM yelling "It's OK!" at her.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Souris