Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Amerilla]

These chuckleheads. Rumpel "sees the worst in everyone"? He's "the devil himself"? Is that what they've shown us over the last three seasons? Emma "loves to run away"? Except for every single time she's had to make a choice and she stays. The passage of time is important - except when it isn't.

My take-away from that interview was to reinforce that A&E explain things about as clearly and elegantly as they write things.

[kili]

[Marian] just saw [Robin] two weeks ago and never thought she’d see him again.

 

Because she thought she was going to die (in what turned out to be her husband's girlfriend's prison).

 

But of course, for Robin Hood, it’s been many, many years, and they have a son that doesn’t even really know her that well.

 

He also doesn't know his Dad's girlfriend really all that well either. Maybe Robin should prioritize his son getting to know his mother really well first seeing as how he doesn't know her really well because Robin put her in harm's way and his girlfriend put her in jail while planning on executing her....oh, and he's only had the girlfriend for two days.

 

I swear to goodness if they make Marian out to be anything even remotely evil I'm going to...to....to grind my teeth angrily in their direction.

 

But Regina is also going to be launched on a new quest with Henry this year. We’ve seen Henry in Operation Cobra with Emma, but we’re going to see a new one with Regina that we’re very excited about.

 

It better not be Operation Cobra. That's an Emma and Henry thing. They deserve to have some things that are just them.

 

The way to think about it is, divorce yourself from time and space as you know it and think of the world of story occurring in a timeless place.

 

These are not the droids we're looking for.

[RadioGirl27]

But Regina is also going to be launched on a new quest with Henry this year. We’ve seen Henry in Operation Cobra with Emma, but we’re going to see a new one with Regina that we’re very excited about.

 

It better not be Operation Cobra. That's an Emma and Henry thing. They deserve to have some things that are just them.

I hate how they are giving to Regina everything that Emma has.

[Rumsy4]

I hate how they are giving to Regina everything that Emma has.

They've been steadily eroding her importance in the Show. 3B was particularly blatant in that regard, and these spoilers only confirm that it's going to keep happening.

With regards to Frozen, it comes across crystal clear from those interviews that the Disney execs do not want A&E tampering with them to give birrare twists. And I feel like they negatived any romance for Elsa. So, at least we can be thankful that Elsa won't end up being David's long lost step-sister, or be involved in any love triangle shenanigans.

I have this bad feeling that Henry is going to try and get Robin and Regina together all season.

[Emma]

I hate how they are giving to Regina everything that Emma has.

This. It's sickening.

[YaddaYadda]

If this is all designed to bring Robin and Regina together, they need to stop and send Henry to a boarding school as far away from Storybrooke as possible.  Can he please, oh please not be involved in adult business.  If he starts on his you are meant to be together, I'll scream.

 

And I'm pretty sure it won't be called Operation Cobra, it will be something like Operation Dragon or some Maleficent reference because 4B I'm sure will be all about how Robin and Regina fight her together or some nonsense like that.  I'll just have to forget that everyone else in town actually knows who she is and has dealt with her in some way or another.

[KingOfHearts]

 

I hate how they are giving to Regina everything that Emma has.

True. They need to either A) give Regina her own stuff or B) give Emma new stuff. Emma was utterly worthless through 3B because everything special about her was removed. Again, instead of putting in the effort to give Regina her own story, they take someone else's. She needs to get her own life.

Edited September 18, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[stealinghome]

Well, ITA that it sucks for the Emma character, but it also does a disservice to the Regina character to basically just have her relationship with Henry imitate Emma's, too. I mean, even if we bracket off the way the show completely hasn't dealt with all the problematic aspects of that relationship...Regina is not Emma, and her relationship with Henry shouldn't just be a pale knock-off of Emma and Henry's relationship. It should be its own thing, completely unique.

 

Honestly it makes Regina seem kinda pathetic. Like she doesn't have the skills or the emotions to cultivate her own relationship with Henry, so she has to resort to play-acting Emma.

Edited September 18, 2014 by stealinghome

[angelwoody]

Well, ITA that it sucks for the Emma character, but it also does a disservice to the Regina character to basically just have her relationship with Henry imitate Emma's, too. I mean, even if we bracket off the way the show completely hasn't dealt with all the problematic aspects of that relationship...Regina is not Emma, and her relationship with Henry shouldn't just be a pale knock-off of Emma and Henry's relationship. It should be its own thing, completely unique.

 

Honestly it makes Regina seem kinda pathetic. Like she doesn't have the skills or the emotions to cultivate her own relationship with Henry, so she has to resort to play-acting Emma.

I get the impression that it is going to be Henry all gung-ho rallying around Regina, but I really hope his "mission" is not to split up a family with no regard for their feelings on the matter, just because he wants to make Regina happy.  If that is the case, he is really becoming Regina's son.  His other "missions" we're all heroic - they were quests to save people.  The morality on this show is off-putting enough sometimes without having the tween idealist "truest believer" making it his mission to split up a family to please his sad sack mother (or worse, to keep her from spiraling into a homicidal rage).  

Edited September 18, 2014 by angelwoody

[retrograde]

Just to be the dissenting voice here: secret missions are kinda Henry's thing (because he's a weirdo). If his mum is upset and he wants to cheer her up and bond with her, I think it makes sense that he might devise some project for them to do together. Regina and Emma are both grown ups, I think they can handle Henry sharing this thing with the other.

Now, I agree Henry should generally stay out of Regina's love life, but I haven't seen anything suggesting he will be involved yet.

[Jean]

I'm lowering my standards. As long as Rumple, Will, Emma, Elsa and Hook aren't in the same airspace as Woegina I'm good.

 

 

He's "the devil himself"? Is that what they've shown us over the last three seasons?

Well they can't mention Eva. Invoking her name might bring on the plague. Rumple's a good stand-in. That said I think they're speaking on how Rumple sees himself. Maybe not the devil but he's never shied away from saying he's the Dark One. In a way it's his excuse, I'm evil that's why I do these things. But don't worry guys, it's still twu wuv for him and Belle! We ignore that stuff like timeline and common sense and logic. Just look at the pretty.

 

 

Emma "loves to run away"? Except for every single time she's had to make a choice and she stays.

Damn I'm going to have to defend A&E here. Emma does love to run away. Literally and metaphorically. Until she got to Storybrook she was a nomad. Since, her solution to anything is to get the hell out of dodge. She doesn't "choose" to stay so much as some calamity forces her to stay. She was set on leaving in S1 finale except Woegina poisoned Henry. She was set on leaving in S3 except time travel. Then there's the metaphorical part. Her M.O. is to ignore and shut down or run away from her feelings, when things start getting emotional.

[scenicbyway]

If this is all designed to bring Robin and Regina together, they need to stop and send Henry to a boarding school as far away from Storybrooke as possible.  Can he please, oh please not be involved in adult business.  If he starts on his you are meant to be together, I'll scream.

 

And I'm pretty sure it won't be called Operation Cobra, it will be something like Operation Dragon or some Maleficent reference because 4B I'm sure will be all about how Robin and Regina fight her together or some nonsense like that.  I'll just have to forget that everyone else in town actually knows who she is and has dealt with her in some way or another.

 

I like that we'll get to see Regina and Henry together again, they were basically apart for all of season 3.  I still think that Lana and Jared have the most genuine relationship on the show.  I think the Henry/Emma dynamic is a little awkward because they are still kind of strangers to each other, even though they have the lost year together Henry seemed relieved when his memories came back and Regina was there to talk to.

 

I do agree that 4b will likely be more Regina focused if 4a is more about Emma accepting her powers.  Adam keeps saying that the theme of the season is "Not giving up on the ones you love" I guess this translates into a Snowing flashback to a time where they almost gave up on each other.  We'll see Belle and Rumple in turmoil over the dagger but again Belle won't give up on him.  Regina won't give up on Robin and vice versa because Robin knows they are soul mates because of the whole tattoo thing (even though their relationship was a week old?!).  Hook won't give up on Emma (because he loves her and literally has nothing else left)  Emma won't give up on Hook because she understands his dark side.  I'm hoping for a Hook/Emma engagement by the season finale.  Didn't the writers originally plan for 5 seasons?  It would be logical for Hook and Emma to have a year long engagement in Season 5, but who knows.

[Hookian]

I like that we'll get to see Regina and Henry together again, they were basically apart for all of season 3.  I still think that Lana and Jared have the most genuine relationship on the show.  I think the Henry/Emma dynamic is a little awkward because they are still kind of strangers to each other, even though they have the lost year together Henry seemed relieved when his memories came back and Regina was there to talk to.

 

I do agree that 4b will likely be more Regina focused if 4a is more about Emma accepting her powers.  Adam keeps saying that the theme of the season is "Not giving up on the ones you love" I guess this translates into a Snowing flashback to a time where they almost gave up on each other.  We'll see Belle and Rumple in turmoil over the dagger but again Belle won't give up on him.  Regina won't give up on Robin and vice versa because Robin knows they are soul mates because of the whole tattoo thing (even though their relationship was a week old?!).  Hook won't give up on Emma (because he loves her and literally has nothing else left)  Emma won't give up on Hook because she understands his dark side.  I'm hoping for a Hook/Emma engagement by the season finale.  Didn't the writers originally plan for 5 seasons?  It would be logical for Hook and Emma to have a year long engagement in Season 5, but who knows.

They have never indicated how long they would want the show to go on for but the ABC network has said A and E will be writing stories for this show for many years to come. I say Once has a good 3 or 4 seasons left. 

 

It still does very well in the ratings.

[stealinghome]

Oh man...much as I love this show, I actually really hope it doesn't go another 4 seasons. They're creatively bankrupt as it is--I shudder to think about how bad a potential S7 or S8 would be.

[Hookian]

Oh man...much as I love this show, I actually really hope it doesn't go another 4 seasons. They're creatively bankrupt as it is--I shudder to think about how bad a potential S7 or S8 would be.

In your opinion, I personally think they're stronger than ever. S3 was a massive improvement over S2.  S2 was awful, many pointless episodes, plots dropped, the list goes on and on.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Hookian

[Souris]

Replying in Ratings and Scheduling.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Souris

[Mathius]

These chuckleheads. Rumpel "sees the worst in everyone"? He's "the devil himself"? Is that what they've shown us over the last three seasons?

Er, yes. He sees the weak, vulnerable parts of people and preys upon it, and the Dark One IS the EF's equivalent of the Devil, especially with the Faustian deals he makes.

I do agree that 4b will likely be more Regina focused if 4a is more about Emma accepting her powers.

So it's a repeat of Season 3, where Emma is more of the focus in A and Regina in B.

Not looking forward to 4B, then.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Mathius

[ShadowFacts]

The new and very exciting quest of Henry and Regina, depending on what they're questing after, could be interesting or lame, we'll have to see.  If it would in some way put Regina on an introspective path about what she's effed up in her life, I would enjoy that.  I probably shouldn't hold my breath, though.  If they need to go on a hunt for some magical object or relic from the Enchanted Forest, yawn.

[KingOfHearts]

 

These chuckleheads. Rumpel "sees the worst in everyone"? He's "the devil himself"? Is that what they've shown us over the last three seasons?

 

I find it hilarious that the role of the darkest evil in the Enchanted Forest is given to Rumple of all people. He's not just a demonic villain - he's a sparkly imp who makes deals with people and dates his chambermaids. Once can be awesome sometimes.

 

Judging by the 4A spoilers, I think this season might actually be more interesting than 3B. If there's a big "mystery" like they say with all the connections, then it'll be worth watching to me. I'm still at a loss on how Frozen, the Snow Queen, the Knave, Sidney and everyone else fit together. I'm seriously hoping Frozen is just the surface of a much bigger iceberg.

 

According to the TV Fanatic interview, Episode 2 is confirmed to be a Charming flashback about his shepherd days. They also implied that in S4 we'll be seeing some old characters pop up again in addition to Sidney.

Edited September 19, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[Jean]

I think the mystery is just "how Elsa got urned" and what does the Snow Queen want.

 

The weird thing about the Charming sutff is they said we'll see Charming in his shephard days meeting Snow. So the first meeting that we saw in Snow Falls is actually their 2nd meeting? How is that going to work? They really can't find anything else for Snow/Charming to do can they. They have to go back and retcon stuff? I also could've sworn the taping reports had shephard Charming for episode 3 no?

 

And I know they're just pimping the Anna and Rumple meeting but why are they acting like the exciting part is seeing a bright eye bushy tailed innocent girl meet Devil Rumple. We've seen it already, with Snow and Belle.

[l star]

I am actually really looking forward to the Regina/Henry storyline. Henry's relationship with Emma may be more healthy but it is also less interesting for me. The push-pull dynamic with Henry loving Regina but hating who she is then both of them trying to work forward to a better dynamic has always been interesting to me. I also think Lana and Jared really sell the love and bond between them as mother and son.

 

It helps that I think it makes total sense. They have just been separated for a year. Add in that Regina is also going to be going through a tough time and I'm not surprised at all that he would want to spend time with her. In my experience with pre-teen boys, they are ridiculous but also start stepping up. And mainly, OMG I'm happy to hear about a Regina storyline without Robin. My vote for the end of this triangle is still that he dies.

I hate how they are giving to Regina everything that Emma has.

Like what? The only things I can think of that Regina took from Emma is one spell of white magic and in one specific instance dealing with Regina's family, the role of savior. Everything else Regina had first.

Regina won't give up on Robin and vice versa because Robin knows they are soul mates because of the whole tattoo thing (even though their relationship was a week old?!).

Eh, I think she's hooked because of the soul mate thing. I think he's just in a lust haze with (from what I can tell) the first woman he's been involved with since his wife that he's justifying as soul mates because he's a Good Guy.

 

I'm hoping Anna's encounter with Rumple has less to do with being appalled at how awful he is and more to do with her being appalled at his manipulations. Her whole story in Frozen was her belief in her sister and her determination to get to her no matter who tried to stop her. Rumple always wants people to think they can't do it without him so they make a deal that screws them over. Those views should clash.

 

So basically the Knave is going to chill for a while until the Maleficent storyline. Whatever show. And of course, 4B will likely be Regina heavy and the Knave is connected to Robin. Die, Robin, die.

Edited September 19, 2014 by l star

[FurryFury]

I am actually really looking forward to the Regina/Henry storyline. Henry's relationship with Emma may be more healthy but it is also less interesting for me. The push-pull dynamic with Henry loving Regina but hating who she is then both of them trying to work forward to a better dynamic has always been interesting to me.

 

It would have been interesting if the emotional abuse she has heaped on him before and during s1 was dealt with properly, but it was all swept under a rug. 

 

Die, Robin, die.

 

It would have been a nice and unexpected conclusion to the whole Triangle of Doom story. Of course, it will never happen.

 

Judging by the 4A spoilers, I think this season might actually be more interesting than 3B.

 

Duh! It's really not that hard to be more interesting than 3B.

[KAOS Agent]

I have to give the interviewer for TV Fanatic credit for asking questions about the storylines for all major characters which meant A & E did not turn a question about Emma into an answer that's all about Regina.

 

I hope this operation Henry and Regina have actually involves Henry acting like a teen and not a ten year old. Operation Cobra was cute for a little kid (and even then ten was starting to stretch it with regards to Henry's naivete), but he's supposedly 12 and Jared looks like the 14 year old he is, so twee truest believer stuff will not fly. It will be especially annoying if Henry sticks his nose into adult business. He needs to stay away from all issues involving Captain Swan, Outlaw Queen and Rumbelle.

[stealinghome]

I am actually really looking forward to the Regina/Henry storyline. Henry's relationship with Emma may be more healthy but it is also less interesting for me. The push-pull dynamic with Henry loving Regina but hating who she is then both of them trying to work forward to a better dynamic has always been interesting to me.

But we haven't seen this dynamic really since 2A, and I personally have less than no faith that we will ever see it again. The show has canonized Regina at this point--it doesn't want to admit anymore that Henry and Regina used to have, and should still have, a pretty messed up relationship due entirely to Regina's own bad deeds.

 

Instead, for the last season-plus Henry's been walking around practically with pom-poms, telling Regina things like he never should have gone to get Emma (wtf??) and Regina's a total hero (based on what evidence, exactly?) and conveniently forgetting about/not addressing all the times she tried to murder the other side of his family (once right in front of his friggin' face!) or, you know, destroy the entire town of Storybrooke. (And I'm not going to even touch how the writers won't let him remember Regina wiping his memory when she confessed her genocidal plans to him.)

 

So, I mean, yeah, if I trusted that the show would actually still let Henry call Regina out on the emotional/psychological abuse she inflicted on him, and actually explore that relationship in all its messed-up glory, I might be more interested in it. But given that we're going to get a bunch of cheerleader Henry, and through him the writers trying to re-write the show to pretend that Saint Regina Never Put A Single Toe Out Of Line, no thanks. Seriously, if Henry encourages Regina to go for it with Robin knowing that in the now-erased past Regina murdered Robin's wife? I will throw up. That's so messed up. S1 Henry would never, ever have condoned that.

Edited September 19, 2014 by stealinghome

[Serena]

According to the TV Fanatic interview, Episode 2 is confirmed to be a Charming flashback about his shepherd days. They also implied that in S4 we'll be seeing some old characters pop up again in addition to Sidney.

Okay, but isn't it weird? Will and Hans arrive in episode 3, right? And we assumed one of them was the surprising person "connected" to Charming. Does it mean it's either Elsa or Anna instead? Because then I'm betting Elsa.

 

Re: Regina/Henry, I'm pissed that they're ignoring all the abusive stuff in the relationship, but at least their scenes tend to be better than Regina/Robin scenes, which are a total snorefest. As long as their goal isn't "let's break up a marriage, yaaay!", I can learn to accept it. Imagine a string of episodes where Regina and Henry are only on screen for a couple of scenes, and they're both with each other? That has huge fast forwarding potential! And I'll take A&E's insistence on giving their pet character everything Emma has as their acknowledgement that Emma is just that much more awesome than Woegina. 

Edited September 19, 2014 by Serena

[l star]

It would have been interesting if the emotional abuse she has heaped on him before and during s1 was dealt with properly, but it was all swept under a rug.

 

I'm happy with this debate left in the past. From this statement, I get the feeling that I feel differently from you about what happened and how it was handled. I have no interest in the show revisiting a topic that always seems to turn into a ranting fight in the fandom.

 

I said that in my experience pre-teen boys start stepping up but I don't know any who give a shit about romance (and annoyingly, I know a whole team of them right now). If Henry actually gives a shit about any of the three main couples beyond 'oh that's nice' or 'oh that sucks' I will be side-eying it hard. I think he should be more in the mode of distracting Regina with something more interesting than playing match maker with a guy he barely knows and the truckloads of drama that come with him.

 

But we haven't seen this dynamic really since 2A, and I personally have less than no faith that we will ever see it again. The show has canonized Regina at this point--it doesn't want to admit anymore that Henry and Regina used to have, and should still have, a pretty messed up relationship due entirely to Regina's own bad deeds.

 

But how much time have they really spent together since 2A? In 2B, she was off with Cora fighting the rest of the town. They were separate through most all of 3A and in 3B, he didn't remember her until the end. The portrayal of their relationship has been really superficial for a while simply because they don't have many scenes together anymore. I still like their scenes a lot because of the genuineness of the bond that Lana and Jared sell but I'm hopeful that with more than a few short scenes in 4A their relationship will get a little more real again.

[kili]

[Robin dying] would have been a nice and unexpected conclusion to the whole Triangle of Doom story.

 

Yes, please. Regina would truly have to face the consequences of choosing to be unhappily evil instead of being with her soul mate. We don't have to deal with the ookiness of Robin Hood considering murdering an entire village that did nothing wrong other than like Regina's step-child more than her as not "evil", but rather "bold and audacious". We wouldn't be totally recycling the concept of the "inconvenient" part of the triangle suddenly dying, clearing the path for the other two in the triangle to become a couple. Maid Marian can continue to be the sole person who holds Regina accountable for the Evil she did in the Enchanted Forrest and she can take away Roland before the actor beings to look ridiculous playing a 4 year old when he is really 12.

 

episode two is going to show a Charming flashback, when he was a shepherd who meets Snow White.

 

How I wish he's going to be a wee child who meets child Snow White so it is believable that they don't know each other in Snow Falls/Drifts and we don't mess with their attraction at first sight story (they just didn't want to admit it). I wish they could come up with stories for them in the present so they don't have to come up with stories in the past that keep messing up their past. Or at least come up with stories in the past that involve them with other characters.

[Serena]

I think the part about "Charming flashback, when he was a shepherd who meets Snow White." is just worded badly. I mean, in his past he was a shepherd who then meets Snow White, but in the actual 402 flashback we'll just seen the shepherd part, I'm guessing.

[KingOfHearts]

 

It would have been interesting if the emotional abuse she has heaped on him before and during s1 was dealt with properly, but it was all swept under a rug.

In the show's eyes, this was already dealt with in S2 with "We Are Both" when Regina apologized to Henry and realized she was acting like her mother. There's definitely a lot to work on with their current relationship though, which isn't exactly too healthy.

 

 

I think the part about "Charming flashback, when he was a shepherd who meets Snow White." is just worded badly. I mean, in his past he was a shepherd who then meets Snow White, but in the actual 402 flashback we'll just seen the shepherd part, I'm guessing.

That's what I was thinking.

Edited September 19, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[ShadowFacts]

 

Imagine a string of episodes where Regina and Henry are only on screen for a couple of scenes, and they're both with each other? That has huge fast forwarding potential!

I can really get behind this.  I don't buy that they have a close relationship, or that a boy Henry's age would want tons of alone time with a mother like her.  I've had a son his age (and I'm not quite the witch Regina is) and just nope. 

[retrograde]

Per the media thread, they're having a proper season premiere at a theater in LA this Sunday, and some bloggers have apparently been invited. I'm selfishly bummed, because I know someone will spoil the entire first ep and I know I will read it because I have no self control. (The non-selfish side of me is pleased they're doing this level of promotion).

But let this act as a heads up that this thread could get super, super spoilery come Monday.

Edited September 19, 2014 by retrograde

[maryle]

Honestly it is sad that  the major sl for Rumple and Regina are kind of soapy. I only hope that the return of the previous DO indicate that they really explore the mythology of the DO.  For Regina I'm not sure what to hope for at this point maybe just be able to forget how OQ is a mess so I still enjoy their scene together since I'm mostly indifferent toward Henry in general.

[RadioGirl27]

They are building a new set in Stevenson for next week shooting. Maybe an ice castle?

[Souris]

Some more detail on the set here.

[RadioGirl27]

Nothing new, but I leave it here. From EW

Do you have any information on who Elizabeth Mitchell is playing on Once Upon a Time? — Toni
You mean you didn’t pick up EW’s Fall TV Preview issue where I revealed that she is definitely playing the villain of the first half of the season?! For shame! “For the first time, we’re showing a villainous side to Elizabeth Mitchell,” executive producer Adam Horowitz says. “There’s a dark side that Elizabeth is accessing and she’s doing so in chilling fashion.” On a side note, I first floated the Lost alum’s name past the producers to play Elsa. “When you see her character, it will be everything you wanted her to be,” executive producer Edward Kitsis promises me. Hmm, I wonder what that means! *cough Snow Queen cough*

 

More spoilers, from ETOnline. I find this bit interesting

 

Additionally, the OUAT showrunners exclusively revealed to us that fans are in for an incredible treat when season four debuts. Horowitz explained, "In the premiere there is going to be a nod to something very iconic in the Disney lore that we have not talked about yet and we haven't yet referred to on the show." Adding to his partner's tease, Kitsis continued, "I would say Rumple (Robert Carlyle) is going to come into possession of something very iconic to Disney, and launch a story in a world that the audience is not expecting." Okay, who else thinks it could be the magical red rose with the withering petals?

Edited September 19, 2014 by RadioGirl27

[Rumsy4]

So, they're not even trying to keep it a mystery? I guess it will be revealed soon then. What episodes where those bts shots of Emma going after EM's Snow Queen asking her why she was following her around?

[MaiLuna]

.EXCLUSIVE! 'Once Upon a Time': Absolutely Everything We Know About Season 4!l

 

I love how A&E then say they don't like spoilers LOL but I love this article so I'm not gonna complain.

 

ETA: I really hope we see teenager Emma for more than 1 scene. And that all they say about Emma doesn't happen in 2 minutes of screentime. This also confirms it's shepherd David BEFORE he met Snow.

Edited September 19, 2014 by MaiLuna

[kili]

hard to tell right now but there will be special effects from whatever is built as well as a “light post which will come down to the ground”.

 

A light post? A light post with a Snow Queen? I see a lamp post and a Snow Queen and I think Narnia. I know we've discussed that and found the chance of getting the rights to Narnia are unlikely...but maybe...

[KingOfHearts]

 

Adding to his partner's tease, Kitsis continued, "I would say Rumple (Robert Carlyle) is going to come into possession of something very iconic to Disney, and launch a story in a world that the audience is not expecting."

 

Is it that object they talked about in the press release that he finds? This is so exciting. I hope it's an actually new realm. I'll take a wild guess and say it's the hat from Sorcerer's Apprentice. 

 

 

It'll be interesting to see how she'll deal with this tragedy in her life

 

Define "tragedy". I highly doubt they're even exaggerating here.

Edited September 19, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

"We're going to pick up right after that and so she's really stunned," Horowitz revealed of our beloved queen. "She never though Marian was going to come back. She certainly didn't think Emma would travel back in time and ruin her life."

 

Let me go flip a breakroom table.

 

The rest of the article is fine, but STOP SAYING EMMA RUINED REGINA'S LIFE! Regina ruined her own damn life. She's the one who ran away from Robin in the first place.

[kili]

Additionally, the OUAT showrunners exclusively revealed to us that fans are in for an incredible treat when season four debuts. Horowitz explained, "In the premiere there is going to be a nod to something very iconic in the Disney lore that we have not talked about yet and we haven't yet referred to on the show." Adding to his partner's tease, Kitsis continued, "I would say Rumple (Robert Carlyle) is going to come into possession of something very iconic to Disney, and launch a story in a world that the audience is not expecting." Okay, who else thinks it could be the magical red rose with the withering petals? (Shout out your theories in the comments below!)

 

LOL. Do they watch the show? They have already dispatched of the red rose. I'd say Mickey, but isn't there one in Emma's nursery? (and the kid who got adopted in her flashback got a stuffed Minnie). Disney lore? Pirates of the Caribbean? Carousel of Progress? The little dolls from It's a Small World come to life and terrorize the town? The Three Little Pig? Cinderella's castle? E-tickets?

Edited September 19, 2014 by kili

[YaddaYadda]

A&E make me wanna reach in the article and slap them silly.  Emma didn't set out to ruin anyone's life and I'm not sure why saving an innocent's life is such a terrible, horrible thing. 

[retrograde]

Hah, I love how many "exclusively" and "revealed" in that article are totally neither.

I'm going with sorcerers apprentice for iconic Disney.

[kili]

I'm going with sorcerers apprentice for iconic Disney.

 

Is that why Rumple is giving Hook a broom?

[Jean]

 

Is it that object they talked about in the press release that he finds?

 

Yeah I think it's the thing that makes Rumple pause and think about giving up the DO curse. If it's the sorcerer's hat, does that mean Rumple is only thinking of giving it up because he has a new source of power to go after? lol

 

I'm glad 4A looks like a split between Emma and Rumple from spoilers so far.

Edited September 19, 2014 by Jean

[YaddaYadda]

I'm a bit surprised that David is the one having a bit of a hard time with Emma and Hook together.  Guess he doesn't really remember what he said around that camp fire.  I'm actually looking forward to that.

[Amerilla]

Rumple already has/had the hat from Sorcerer's Apprentice. You could see it in his display of treasures in Skin Deep.

(Which doesn't mean that's not it, since they didn't refer to it in the show. I just remember seeing it. )

[stealinghome]

Adding to his partner's tease, Kitsis continued, "I would say Rumple (Robert Carlyle) is going to come into possession of something very iconic to Disney, and launch a story in a world that the audience is not expecting." Okay, who else thinks it could be the magical red rose with the withering petals?

Wasn't Gaston essentially supposed to be the stand-in for the rose in Skin Deep?

 

Also, the iconic scene is obviously the Rumbelle ballroom dance.

 

Also, I would pay good money to see Charming give Hook the dad speech. Heh.

 

Charming before he met Snow White (Ginnifer Goodwin) when he was on the farm and many more."

I think this confirms that the previous spoiler was just worded poorly and Charming and Snow didn't meet before 'Snow Falls.'

Edited September 19, 2014 by stealinghome

[RadioGirl27]

I'm a bit surprised that David is the one having a bit of a hard time with Emma and Hook together.  Guess he doesn't really remember what he said around that camp fire.  I'm actually looking forward to that.

I love how A&E contradict themselves sometimes. In another interview they said that Snow and Charming would be supportive of Emma and Hook.

 

And someone should explain them that you can have drama and yet include little sweet moments of domesticity.

[sharky]

Is that why Rumple is giving Hook a broom?

That was my first thought too. We've seen it in the BTS photos when they were shooting at the docks and that was episode 4, right? So yea, I have a suspicion that Killian and his runaway hand are the apprentices and that somehow ties into the broom.

I'm a bit surprised that David is the one having a bit of a hard time with Emma and Hook together. Guess he doesn't really remember what he said around that camp fire. I'm actually looking forward to that.

I'm sure he does remember that conversation, but you also have to remember that she is his daughter. I'm sure he is probably a bit aprehnsive about a pirate dating his princess -- no matter how noble the pirate has become. Although I'm sure it would be that way with any man with his daughter. Edited September 19, 2014 by sharky