Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[YaddaYadda]

I don't get the answer about the "ships".

[kili]

For Episode 7, the ABC series is casting the one-off role of a pompous prince who beneath his veneer of confidence-slash-arrogance is not much more than a coward ill-equipped to handle conflict.

 

Prince John, come on down! Maybe that will be the Robin Hood flashback?

 

-He was spelled into loving Marian after just almost-meeting Regina.

 

Nottingham did whine to Rumple that Robin stole Mariane from him.  I hope we get that skeevy loser back for Robin's flashback. He's actually kind of fun.

[RadioGirl27]

 

Do you have any Once Upon a Time scoop that has nothing to do with any of the ‘ships? –Sara

Always! For Episode 7, the ABC series is casting the one-off role of a pompous prince who beneath his veneer of confidence-slash-arrogance is not much more than a coward ill-equipped to handle conflict.

 

Prince John, for the Robin Hood flashback? As a history teacher I fear what this show can do with a real, historical figure.

 

 

Is there anything you can tell us about Hook’s arc for this season of Once Upon a Time that we haven’t heard yet? Anything on his childhood/parents? –Ana

Series cocreator Adam Horowitz would only say that when it comes to the good (?) pirate, “There is more delving into his past to come” – though the burning question of whom he traded the Jolly Roger to, in the name of finding Emma, won’t be revealed until “somewhere down the road.”

 

I guess "somewhere down the road" really means "when we decide to whom he gave it".

[Crimson Belle]

Prince John sounds a lot like Sir Robin the Brave.

[Souris]

Nice call on the Prince John possibility! I was thinking more one of Hans' brothers.

 

However, I would prefer they stay away from the historical figures. That's why I didn't like that they used Blackbeard. Robin Hood is mostly legend, but he does have links to real historical people, so I wish they hadn't brought him in, too.

Edited September 5, 2014 by Souris

[KingOfHearts]

 

Nottingham did whine to Rumple that Robin stole Mariane from him.  I hope we get that skeevy loser back for Robin's flashback. He's actually kind of fun.

 

Marian should totally leave Robin for him in Storybrooke.

 

Prince John, for the Robin Hood flashback? As a history teacher I fear what this show can do with a real, historical figure.

 

Since this is Once, it'll probably be closer to the Prince John who sucks his thumb and has a snake named Hiss. But if he's actually an older Prince Jonathan, there's some brownie points with me.

Edited September 5, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[retrograde]

Not that I imagine anyone guessed this, but in the comments of the TVLine thing, Matt says:

 

Definitely not Aladdin. (Based on the parts I didn’t include).

[FurryFury]

I also thought about Prince John - makes sense coupled with the previous info about getting more backstory on Robin.

 

Marian should totally leave Robin for him in Storybrooke.

 

Eh, I'm not sure. The Sheriff seemed to be pretty sleazy in "Lacey". I mean, he hit on Belle, so I question his taste already, and he's traditionally a villain, so I doubt he's any better than a newly minted Regina fan Robin. She should probably stay way from both of them.

[kili]

Eh, I'm not sure. The Sheriff seemed to be pretty sleazy

 

Not to mention, he has no tongue and the way Rumple was beating him like a rug, there may be other parts of him that are non-functional as well. Still, he may be an upgrade from Mr. Bold and Audacious.

 

Definitely not Aladdin. (Based on the parts I didn’t include).

 

No kidding. Aladdin may be a street rat, but the guy is not cowardly.

[KingOfHearts]

 

Eh, I'm not sure. The Sheriff seemed to be pretty sleazy in "Lacey". I mean, he hit on Belle, so I question his taste already, and he's traditionally a villain, so I doubt he's any better than a newly minted Regina fan Robin. She should probably stay way from both of them.

 

Replying in Relationships.

[Souris]

EW:

Will Henry be there for Regina after what happened in the season finale on Once Upon a Time? Any story coming up for them in season 4? — Tales11
Henry may be the one thing that actually keeps Regina from slipping to the dark side again after Robin Hood’s long-dead wife, Marian, resurfaced in the present. “We’re going to see Henry on a mission with Regina this year,” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. “And maybe some of his light side will rub off on her.”

[RadioGirl27]

 

Will Henry be there for Regina after what happened in the season finale on Once Upon a Time? Any story coming up for them in season 4? — Tales11

Henry may be the one thing that actually keeps Regina from slipping to the dark side again after Robin Hood’s long-dead wife, Marian, resurfaced in the present. “We’re going to see Henry on a mission with Regina this year,” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. “And maybe some of his light side will rub off on her.”

 

I have come to the conclusion that A&E don't want me to watch the new season.

[Rumsy4]

Not this again!! A retread of S2 where Henry and Emma are trying to keep Regina from going full-on psycho again?? At this point, they all need to be locked up for being so delusional and endanering innocent people. Come on, Regina already cast light magic!! By the end of the series, they will make her god.

Edited September 5, 2014 by Rumsy4

[Curio]

Hasn't that been Henry's role for the past 3 seasons now?

[KingOfHearts]

I was actually kind of thinking Henry would do that. Not that it's his responsibility, but it's another one of my predictions that's coming true. I honestly don't see why this wouldn't happen. Henry should not be life coaching her, but I fully expect that Regina will be on her better behavior to impress Henry. There really is no reason for anything otherwise to happen. Honestly I'd rather watch those two together instead of watching Regina bully everyone over her boyfriend problems.

Edited September 5, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[RadioGirl27]

But Henry is a kid, he shouldn't be Regina's (or Emma's) moral compass or romantic adviser. He should be doing what kids his age do, rebel and fall in love for the first time (preferably away from my screen).

[Jean]

The prince is obviously one of Han's brothers. I guess they can tie him in to other people since said no name character

isn't strictly Frozen protected property.

 

 

Honestly I'd rather watch those two together

I want those 2 together too but not for watching. I hope Henry superglues himself to Woegina's side permamently. They should become the first ever conjoined Mom/Son with no possibility for separation. Ever. Maximum containment people!

[KingOfHearts]

 

But Henry is a kid, he shouldn't be Regina's (or Emma's) moral compass or romantic adviser. He should be doing what kids his age do, rebel and fall in love for the first time (preferably away from my screen).

Henry is just as messed up as Regina is, though. I do not care to watch him battle the teen years. We saw a glimpse of that in 3B, in which he was whiny and tried to steal a car. He's not going to get the normal adolescence anyway because Emma decided to stay in Storybrooke. 

 

I'm not saying he should be her moral compass, but more of a distraction. Regina should be happy she has Henry back instead of whining because her boyfriend of one week got his wife back. The last thing I want to do is see Henry give advice to adults. Yuck. Henry is really too stupid to have any dignity or healthy lifestyle, in my opinion.

Edited September 5, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[Hookian]

The prince is obviously one of Han's brothers. I guess they can tie him in to other people since said no name character

isn't strictly Frozen protected property.

 

I want those 2 together too but not for watching. I hope Henry superglues himself to Woegina's side permamently. They should become the first ever conjoined Mom/Son with no possibility for separation. Ever. Maximum containment people!

Pretty sure the Prince is gonna be Prince John since they basically admitted we're getting a Hood-centric.

[maryle]

I'm going on the left field on the prince spoiler and think is one of Hans from Frozen brother that show up just because they specifically said that this character is not a part of any ship and we suppose to meet some of his brothers.
But it could be about Robin Hood and his backstory too. They said we will learn more about his story.
I will try to hold judgment on his past until i saw on screen. I want to at least like OQ in spite the lackluster beginning.
Regina will never be my favourite but I like her just fine when the writers stop making everything about her and her precious feeling. So if and it is a big if Emma and Co. really have a role in the main Frozen arc and their some cute banter between Hook and Emma before the drama for them happen. I'm more than ready to give a new look at the epic love of Robin and Regina.
But I hope that Marian will not become a villain in disguise . It won't resolve the original irk factor and make any favor to Regina as a character

[Hookian]

This may be very unpopular...but I remain unconvinced that Robin/Regina is going to end well.  Or at least end well anytime soon.  As ShadowFacts just said...we can't have all the leads happily paired off and the fact remains that Sean has not yet been upped to a regular.

 

I wish OutlawQueen fans all the best, but I am prepared for the worst.

Why does that matter, they're not gonna kill off RH. Not gonna happen. As much as some of you hope that happens. You guys just have to suck it up, OQ is here to stay.

[Serena]

Yes, Henry "helping" Regina is stupid. Unless he tells her "suck it up and be happy there's one less person on your conscience". But I'm afraid it'll be more like "but you're a heroooooooo!! And you and RH are totally True Love and it always finds a way!!" after which I will want to punch him in the face. As long as he doesn't somehow blame Emma, I guess I can live with it.

[Hookian]

Emma and Hook aren't focused on all the time and their brand of drama is pretty benign compared to the others. Even in the middle of whatever coupley mini-drama they have, they still do their running around town thing.

 

Is this sarcasm? Weren't they basically the main focus of the 2 hour finale? True it was basically Emma's story but this relationship played a key role. Emma and Hook have had major focus since S3. S2 they had some focus but not a lot that's mainly because they were on opposing sides and Colin injured himself and got himself sidelined for a heavy portion of the season. Judging from the looks of things that major focus on Hook and Emma is not going to change.

Edited September 5, 2014 by Hookian

[KingOfHearts]

 

Yes, Henry "helping" Regina is stupid. Unless he tells her "suck it up and be happy there's one less person on your conscience". But I'm afraid it'll be more like "but you're a heroooooooo!! And you and RH are totally True Love and it always finds a way!!" after which I will want to punch him in the face. As long as he doesn't somehow blame Emma, I guess I can live with it.

 

Agreed. What I imagined originally was Henry and Regina going off to New York to pack or something while Emma deals with Frozen. If Henry actually gave solid advice like what you've mentioned, then it wouldn't be so creepy to me. But since he acts more like Belle to Rumple, it's just gross. I'm fine with him being with Regina, but all he's going to do is enable her if he plans to "fix" her with his own counsel.

 

 

Why does that matter, they're not gonna kill off RH. Not gonna happen. As much as some of you hope that happens. You guys just have to suck it up, OQ is here to stay.

 

With all these OQ spoilers, I'd say this show is just shipper fodder. #BreakUpOutlawQueen

 

kili, you just made me LOL with the Parent Trap reference. I can imagine it now.

Edited September 5, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[kili]

But I'm afraid it'll be more like "but you're a heroooooooo!! And you and RH are totally True Love and it always finds a way!!"

 

I'm have visions of him going all "Parent Trap" on Regina and Robin (with Marian being convinced to click sticks to chase off the local wildlife. Maybe he'll get Roland to help him pour honey all over Marian so that she can get woken up by a bear).

 

As long as he doesn't somehow blame Emma, I guess I can live with it.

 

"I'm sorry I went and got Emma to break the original curse. I should have just been content being gaslit as you randomly murdered the locals when you weren't having fun using my grandparents as puppets. If I'd never gotten Emma, she would never have brought back Marian and ruined your happiness. But wait a minute, if she didn't break the curse and then you had to reverse the curse and then Snow had to re-do the curse, you would never have fallen in love with Robin here in Storybrooke. So, instead I just wish that Emma had stayed locked in Rumple's vault for eternity. She, Marian and Hook could have spent the years playing charades until they died."

[maryle]

Judging from the looks of things that major focus on Hook and Emma is not going to change.

 

Emma is the lead and she has been so underdeveloped that I'm shocked that some people seem worrying about her being too central in thisFrozen arc. Because beside the final she was just screaming about her love for New York in 3b.

 The slow burn of the Relationship between Hook and Emma has been one of the best. Now, it is normal that the love story took off before something happen to Hook and Emma have to discover for herself how much she love him.

It is the way the story goes, and I'm fine with it.

 

The real question is; Is it this half (Because Frozen) that Emma will defrost him or they will keep the storyline for later.

The promo did show his hook has been frozen. Hazard or...

[Hookian]

4X07 will be written by Adam and Eddy. If this is the Hood-centric, it must be quite the episode.

[KAOS Agent]

My guess would be that any Adam & Eddy penned episodes would be highly Frozen-centric. That's the kind of stuff where Disney will be very, very involved and the showrunners would be the ones they want writing it. It's possible this prince is related to the Robin Hood story, but I lean more towards this being a Frozen related prince - maybe it's both. Also, I sincerely hope that if they bring a prince into the Robin Hood story that it is not the actual historical figure of Prince John because he really existed and there is an extensive historical record of his real life actions. Twisting myths and legends is fine, twisting real historical figures does not work for me.

[FurryFury]

Why does that matter, they're not gonna kill off RH. Not gonna happen. As much as some of you hope that happens. You guys just have to suck it up, OQ is here to stay.

 

This is a show, not a sport. Nobody "wins" or "loses". We all win if we get a better story in the end.

 

Unfortunately, so far, the Outlaw Queen arc hasn't given me a better story.

[Shanna Marie]

I could deal with Henry being supportive in the "but you're a hero now, and heroes don't hurt people, and isn't it great that Emma saved you from having killed Maid Marian, and now Robin and Marian can be together, isn't that great, now let's go do something fun together to take your mind off it" sense. But if this is where the "we don't give up on the people we love" thing comes in and a twelve-year-old kid is encouraging his mother to be the "other woman" in a marriage and fight to win a married man, then that would be jumping up and down on top of the shark. It would also be rather out of character because Henry is a storybook geek, and I can't imagine him wanting to break up a legendary canon couple.

 

You know, if Robin does end up running off with Regina and ditching Marian, that could end up being ratings suicide or getting some serious backlash. The Outlaw Queen and "Regina Should Get Everything She Wants" factions are extremely vocal, but I suspect the rank-and-file viewers are more in the "Sunday evening Disney TV the whole family can watch together" demographic, and with the big Frozen tie-in that's also going to be bringing in the family viewership. And that group would probably be horrified at the idea of Robin Hood ditching Maid Marian for the Evil Queen. How do you explain that to the kids? It's not just a romantic triangle, it's a triangle involving a marriage. When they've done that before, it was either a case of the viewers knowing (even if the characters didn't) that the marriage wasn't real and that the real marriage was with the "cheating" couple with David and Mary Margaret, or it was a case of a non-canon character going from one villain to another (Rumple, Milah and Hook). This is the kind of thing that the family viewing demographic writes angry letters to networks and sponsors about, or else they just stop watching.

[FurryFury]

But I suspect the rank-and-file viewers are more in the "Sunday evening Disney TV the whole family can watch together" demographic,

 

I think that's wishful thinking. While they are probably not as militant as Regina's online fandom, I do believe many casual viewers like her enough to overlook the unearned redemption and will root for her over Marian.

 

And that group would probably be horrified at the idea of Robin Hood ditching Maid Marian for the Evil Queen. How do you explain that to the kids?

 

Well, they probably explained it already with David/Mary Margaret affair in s1. Of course, it's not like Regina and Robin are under a curse, but it shouldn't matter because it's true love and she should fight for it no matter what (sarcasm).

Also, we already had a man murdering his wife for leaving him, and he wasn't even punished for it. Not exactly the most kid-friendly stuff.

 

There is a part of me that hopes that it will all end with Regina tearfully begging Marian for forgiveness and wishing them the best, but realistically, it's just not gonna happen.

Edited September 6, 2014 by FurryFury

[maryle]

 I am alone in thinking  since de beginning of the season shooting is that the writers going to  change the formula of the show a little bit. Come on they have too!

 

All fans always want big centric for their  favorite but at this stage of the show and so many characters and arc this season.

I'm really thinking that not possible to do centric like in the past. They  ares already writing ep.7 and the Frozen people are just there for a max of 9 ep. The snow Queen arc end will be end by the eleven episode.

  They're just so many stories  going on ; All the Frozen Relationship (Elsa Anna , Anna Kristoph, the troll...)  

It could be a mess if they give too much centric on any character like Zelena in 3b. This time if they have a real  Frozen story arc they will have to balance the screen time in many episodes without that the majority of the core cast storyline ( Rumbelle, captain swan, snowing, outlaw queen plus Henry and the knave) will be a mega rush mess.

[Featherhat]

Twisting myths and legends is fine, twisting real historical figures does not work for me

 

Well I doubt King Richard the Lionheart and Prince John were anthropomorphic lions in history either. ;) I completely get what you're saying but there's an entire sub genre of books/TV/Movies dedicated to "twisting history" or trying to challenge the common perception of historical figures, to be "controversial" , intriguing or just plain more CW (Reign) . I suspect Once will actually be rather tame in this regard.

 

It does make me uncomfortable when once switches from fairy tales to the blurring between legend and history "in our world" though, even if Disney did it first.

[KingOfHearts]

Pirates of the Caribbean likes to twist real figures as well. Since Robin Hood is a legend, his interactions with the kings are also legend. So, like Blackbeard, their roles aren't completely historic to my knowledge.

Edited September 6, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[ShadowFacts]

 

I think that's wishful thinking. While they are probably not as militant as Regina's online fandom, I do believe many casual viewers like her enough to overlook the unearned redemption and will root for her over Marian.

 I agree.  If the family viewers haven't cried foul and stopped watching over the patricide, rape, torture and assorted other murders, they won't likely let a little adultery bother them too much.

[KingOfHearts]

 

I agree.  If the family viewers haven't cried foul and stopped watching over the patricide, rape, torture and assorted other murders, they won't likely let a little adultery bother them too much.

 

Well, I think the difference between then and now is because Robin is portrayed as a level-headed good guy. When David Nolan was having an affair with Mary Margaret, he was cursed. When Regina raped Graham and slaughtered villages, she was portrayed as evil. Now with Robin, if he goes with Regina, he is willingly adulterating his wife. He's supposed to be a sound-minded hero. He has no excuse. It's conveying a message that cheating on your wife is okay if your new woman is "true love".

 

If Eddie wants a "hot mess", as he says, then a simple divorce is not on the table. This is even worse than the Swan Triangle in Neverland, because this involves a marriage and a very young kid.

Edited September 6, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[Serena]

The Richmond, BC Twitter account is announcing "big news" for the next couple of weeks. They usually tweet about Once filming in Steveston, but if so why wouldn't they say it? And it's not exactly "big" since it's been happening for years.

[Tripp]

Well, I think the difference between then and now is because Robin is portrayed as a level-headed good guy. When David Nolan was having an affair with Mary Margaret, he was cursed. When Regina raped Graham and slaughtered villages, she was portrayed as evil. Now with Robin, if he goes with Regina, he is willingly adulterating his wife. He's supposed to be a sound-minded hero. He has no excuse. It's conveying a message that cheating on your wife is okay if your new woman is "true love".

 

If Eddie wants a "hot mess", as he says, then a simple divorce is not on the table. This is even worse than the Swan Triangle in Neverland, because this involves a marriage and a very young kid.

 

I don't see how this can be even compared to straight up regular adultery.  It's not that clear cut.  In cases where the spouse has been presumed dead and the living spouse "has moved on" only for the dead one to return, the person in the middle is going to be truly torn and I'm sure Robin Hood will be.  And in this case, Marian actually was dead because Emma decided it would be the easiest solution to just bring someone back from the past without even asking her name (I'm not saying it wasn't the right decision but there are consequences with changing the past as I'm sure Doc Brown would back me up on that).  Robin is no longer the same man he once was when he fell in love with Marian anymore than Regina is the same woman she was when she fell in love Daniel.  

 

I'm sure Robin is going to try to figure out things because Marian truly is tragically been placed in a "no fault" situation where she still is very much in love with her husband but it's been literally years since she has been around and Robin probably does hold the same love for her.  Even if you take Regina out of it, is it fair to expect Robin (and Marian) to remain in a marriage where he no longer holds the same feelings for his wife he once did?  As long as Robin tries to be fair in the situation and show both women respect (and tact), I will be fine with him leaving Marian.  I do not support him sneaking around her back with Regina and I highly doubt he will do so and I also doubt Regina would be willing to be the other woman.

 

Finally in the case of Roland...he's actually never known his mother.  I'm positive it's going to be shown in S4 he actually knows Regina far better than his own mother and will be highly confused to the whole situation.  The idea of Robin and Marian staying together for Roland's sake doesn't hold true when he barely knows his mother, Marian hasn't had time to even be a mother and the kid is probably more confused now with her back then before.  

 

What I expect to see is angst and hurt and probably Regina battling her darker side.  I'm a Regina fan (something of a minority on this board and keeps me as a lurker) but while I do expect Henry to be there for her during this, ultimately I want to see Regina choose for herself not to fall back on her evil ways because it's something she chooses to do and not because she's afraid of losing Henry's love.  We've already gone down that road and if Regina truly was redeemed in S3 then she has to learn to keep her demons behind her.

[Serena]

Honestly, Robin can choose who he pleases. If I were Marian, I wouldn't take him back, anyway. His priorities and worldview are messed up. But if he does chose Regina, he can't say shit if/when Marian doesn't want to let her kid hang out with the woman who imprisoned her. No matter how much Roland and Regina bonded in the week they knew each other. 

Edited September 6, 2014 by Serena

[FabulousTater]

And in this case, Marian actually was dead because Emma decided it would be the easiest solution to just bring someone back from the past without even asking her name

Emma did ask Marian her name. In the dungeon scene where they're both being held prior to their scheduled executions, Emma asks Marian what her name is. But Marian refused to give her name in fear that if Regina knew who she was she would go after her family. Regina gets/got her rocks off killing people willy-nilly, so it was a prudent information to withhold on Marian's part.

Edited September 6, 2014 by FabulousTater

[Tripp]

Honestly, Robin can choose who he pleases. If I were Marian, I wouldn't take him back, anyway. His priorities and worldview are messed up. But if he does chose Regina, he can't say shit if/when Marian doesn't want to let her kid hang out with the woman who imprisoned her. No matter how much Roland and Regina bonded in the week they knew each other. 

 

I'm sure it will be also established that Regina got to know Roland in the missing year so it was more than a week.  Plus, we know at least on one occasion Regina saved Roland's life. I'm not saying any of this will be easy for Marian to accept or even believe.  I won't blame her for her feelings and I expect high levels of angst (which if done right I can enjoy).  

 

And I don't see how Robin's priorities or world view are any different than anyone else in Storybrooke considering Rumpestiltskin and Hook's own pasts are just as bad as Regina's. The bottom line is this is a fairy tale and the story they try to go for is redemption is possible for everyone.

Emma did ask Marian her name. In the dungeon scene where they're both being held prior to their scheduled executions, Emma asks Marian what her name is. But Marian refused to give her name in fear that if Regina knew who she was she would go after her family. Regina gets/got her rocks off killing people willy-nilly, so it was a prudent information to withhold on Marian's part.

 

But that fear was gone once they escaped and I find it incredible nobody asks her again which was my point.  

Edited September 6, 2014 by Tripp

[KingOfHearts]

Robin and Marian are still married though. If Robin is going back and forth between Marian and Regina (which spoilers have pretty much implied will happen), then it's still cheating. What's he done up to this point has been clean because he didn't know. Now that he does, his choices are under much more scrutiny.

If Robin chooses Regina, then he needs to end his marriage with Marian. Plain and simple.

Edited September 6, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[FabulousTater]

But that fear was gone once they escaped and I find it incredible nobody asks her again which was my point.

Why would that fear be gone? Regina didn't suddenly stop menacing the Enchanted Forest. "Princess Leia" and "Prince Charles" may have helped Marian escape but that's not reason to be suddenly giving away information when she didn't really know these people. Marian was being smart.

[RadioGirl27]

I'm sure it will be also established that Regina got to know Roland in the missing year so it was more than a week.  Plus, we know at least on one occasion Regina saved Roland's life. I'm not saying any of this will be easy for Marian to accept or even believe. I won't blame her for her feelings and I expect high levels of angst (which if done right I can enjoy).

I don't care if Regina spent all the missing year mothering Roland (which would make no sense and Robin would come off even worse than he already is), if I was Marian I wouldn't let her near my son. And really, Roland is four or five, he wouldn't remember Regina in a couple of days.

Edited September 6, 2014 by RadioGirl27

[stealinghome]

The dealbreaker for me, though, isn't that Robin would/will be committing adultery with Regina--I really don't care about that--but that he'll be sleeping with *the woman who murdered his wife* before Emma changed the timeline. That's just what I can't get past. What kind of fucked-up son of a bitch are you that you could *ever* consider sleeping with *the murderer of your wife*? Even if Robin still has those feelings for Regina--which he shouldn't, but okay--how could he ever, in good conscience, act on them? How could he not be *utterly grossed out* by himself? Even if Marian died tomorrow and Regina turned into Mother Freaking Teresa for the next 20 years, in 20 years *it would still not be okay,* because she murdered his wife, the mother of his child. Seriously: what kind of human being wouldn't be utterly disgusted with himself for panting after *the murderer of his wife*?

The problem here isn't adultery. It's basic fucking human decency.

And this is why bringing Marian back was a horrible mistake, and every Outlaw Queen spoiler that comes out makes it worse and worse.

I don't care if Regina spent all the missing year mothering Roland

If the show tries to pretend she did, it's a massive, obvious retcon aimed at only one thing--trying to make Outlaw Queen somewhat palatable.

Also, who fucking cares if Regina spent the entire missing year mothering Roland? He's not her child. She has no claim to him. Marian (and Robin) are *well* within their rights to decide who their child gets to spend time with. Especially when it comes to mass murderers/rapists/genocidal maniacs with a track record of abusing and endangering children and getting them killed.

Edited September 6, 2014 by stealinghome

[KingOfHearts]

What we're getting here, according to spoilers, is a big drama triangle. It's not that adultery is this super bad thing (it's a drama show, after all), but this is David Nolan all over again. Only this time, like StealingHome said, it's with the woman who murdered his wife. It's complicated, like some other posters have said. It's not going to resolve like it easily could. I have no interest in watching a love triangle retread on steroids, which is exactly what this is.

4A doesn't sound exciting from these spoilers, does it? I'm really not in anticipation to observe random relationship drama + Frozen characters for eleven episodes.

Edited September 6, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[queenbee]

The dealbreaker for me, though, isn't that Robin would/will be committing adultery with Regina--I really don't care about that--but that he'll be sleeping with *the woman who murdered his wife* before Emma changed the timeline. That's just what I can't get past. What kind of fucked-up son of a bitch are you that you could *ever* consider sleeping with *the murderer of your wife*? Even if Robin still has those feelings for Regina--which he shouldn't, but okay--how could he ever, in good conscience, act on them? How could he not be *utterly grossed out* by himself? Even if Marian died tomorrow and Regina turned into Mother Freaking Teresa for the next 20 years, in 20 years *it would still not be okay,* because she murdered his wife, the mother of his child. Seriously: what kind of human being wouldn't be utterly disgusted with himself for panting after *the murderer of his wife*?

The problem here isn't adultery. It's basic fucking human decency.

And this is why bringing Marian back was a horrible mistake, and every Outlaw Queen spoiler that comes out makes it worse and worse.If the show tries to pretend she did, it's a massive, obvious retcon aimed at only one thing--trying to make Outlaw Queen somewhat palatable.

Also, who fucking cares if Regina spent the entire missing year mothering Roland? He's not her child. She has no claim to him. Marian (and Robin) are *well* within their rights to decide who their child gets to spend time with. Especially when it comes to mass murderers/rapists/genocidal maniacs with a track record of abusing and endangering children and getting them killed.

Agreed.

 

I'm also very concerned that the show will make a big deal about Roland's week-long relationship with Regina and how he is now closer to Regina than Marian. If this happens it will make me angry for two reasons. 1) Roland is a small child. It is unrealistic for a small child to have a real attachment to anyone they have known for such a short time (or for any person of any age for that matter). 2) Who cares if Roland initially prefers Regina to Marian? Marian is his MOTHER and she did not willingly relinquish her role as his mother. That immediately makes her more important in Roland's life than Regina.

[YaddaYadda]

this is David Nolan all over again

 

David Nolan was a total douche, but he was cursed.  I don't know what Robin's excuse is especially when he was saying how much he loved Marian and would've walked through hell for her.

 

I'm with you Stealinghome, the worst thing the show did was bring Marian to the show. 

[stealinghome]

You know, it occurs to me that a good analogy for Regina/Robin/Marian would be Rumpel/Hook/Milah. Let's say that Hook got amnesia about basically his whole life and forgot that Rumpel murdered his beloved Milah. While he had amnesia, he developed romantic feelings for Rumpel, and Rumpel for him, and they dated for 2 days. Then Hook's memories returned and he remembered that he'd loved and lost Milah and Rumpel was the one who murdered Milah. Wouldn't we all lose ALL respect for Hook if he didn't immediately dump Rumpel and get sickened by the fact that he was into the man who murdered Milah? Wouldn't we all be disgusted by him if he even entertained the notion of continuing to see Rumpel?

Ugh, this is why every single Outlaw Queen spoiler makes me so mad. The fact that the show has Robin being AT ALL torn is just sickening. It totally, totally ruins Robin Hood (one I my favorite all-time legends) as a character. It makes him repellent. Just, UGH. (I can't believe that I actually like Regina more than Robin at this point.)

Edited September 6, 2014 by stealinghome

[Tripp]

I admit that the thing that is hard to overcome here is Regina executing Marian (I can at least be glad it's clear Regina didn't know it was Marian she was executing though the name wouldn't have stopped her but I bet  finding out she's the wife of the man with the lion tattoo even without having have met him at that point she'd NOT have executed and found some ways around it).  However I'm not convinced the show is going to let that stand.  A&E did say soon after the finale something about it allegedly, and given how we have magic, they simply have to pull out a deus ex machina to explain in truth Regina never did execute Marian.  Problem sovled.

 

This is a show about fairy tales where all of them have collided, it's not hard for me to overlook some stuff. If it were Scandal, Castle, or an actual daytime soap I would have major misgivings but I'm not going to take THIS SHOW that seriously because it's a show that is based on Disney movies which are then based (very loosely in some cases) to the actual fairly tales.  I sit back and have fun and not let much of anything bother me at least in regards to punishments for past sins.  (Bad writing or acting I will have a problem and I was not happy with Marian showing up but willing to see how it goes).  

 

Finally as to the spoiler of the arrogant prince possibly being Little John, I say bring it on. One of my favorite movies of all time is The Lion in Winter and I hardly think most of the portrayals of historical characters (particularly John) are accurate.