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Hookian

Hookian

JMO and Lana were also there yesterday with Colin and Giles. I was to bank I would say Colin filmed alone while JMO filmed with the group.

BTW cause some of you obsess over that moron from Tumblr here's proof she has no idea what she's talking about.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/once-upon-a-time/news/a819875/once-upon-a-time-season-7-robert-carlyle-future/

Carlyle's contract is up for renewal as well. Clearly. Sounds like the entire S1 cast is up and in need of new contracts. And it sounds like all of them are in need of making "life decisions".

What's there to decide though, the show literally only has one more season in it if that. This shows ratings do not warrant past a S7.

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Camera One
Camera One

When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

Curio
Curio

At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

Serena
Serena

HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

maryle

maryle

I already knew the tumblr who talked about said false information because once upon a time I sometime was still able to look at some anti tumblr just to know what they say and I read on her tumblr that she had inside info about all the cast renewed their contact even probably JMO. She was very sure of it. Pretty sure, it was somewhere this summer. Don't know if I could find it.

Anyway, R.C seem a little bit more optimistic about his willingness to come back than previously. Interesting!

orza

orza

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The major life decision that Carlyle is talking about surely has to do with how well T2 Trainspotting does at the box office. I saw it last weekend in Edinburgh and Carlyle gives a terrific performance. He will probably be getting offers on the strength of his performance that he will need to consider. He could be on the verge of reviving his career as a major British movie star, if that 's what he wants.

The last part of the film is clearly a setup for a third movie based on The Blade Artist, which is all about his character. In all the interviews over the past couple of days RC is openly talking about how he really wants to do The Blade Artist, and that they are discussing it. If T2 does well it would still take a year or more to get financing for the project and a final script written. If the box office is disappointing it will take longer. Carlyle may not want to commit to other new projects while the future of this possible sequel is still up in the air.

My impression from interviews is that RC would go back to Britain for this project otherwise he would be open to staying on with the show for the sake of his family. While RC didn't backpedal on his recent remark about packing up and going home, he carefully avoided saying anything remotely similar in this round of interviews and was positive about the show and his character when interviewers brought it up.

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sharky

sharky

First, if he wants to leave to do movies, I would welcome that. His talent is being wasted on Once. Second, this show isn't going to get a season 8. I think we're all in agreement on that. So if Blade Artist or whatever other movie he commits to still needs funding and such, he can commit to one more season and still be OK to go with the movie stuff after that. It really sounds like this could be a last-minute decision and one of those things where he has a few more months before they have to make the final decision at the end of filming in March -- and even then, you could shoot two endings and hold off the final decision until May. So we can speculate all we want, but I think this is going to be a question we won't have an answer to until the finale.

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Souris

Souris

1 hour ago, sharky said:

So we can speculate all we want, but I think this is going to be a question we won't have an answer to until the finale.

I think the same will be true for JMo and whoever else might not be signed for S7 and who may be negotiating. And that's assuming that A&E/ABC want everybody back -- ABC WILL want the budget cut for a S7 and decisions will have to be made about how to do that. They may decide to drop a regular to recurring or get rid of a regular altogether. It's a mercenary, bottom-line business. I'm sure nobody actually expects the show to last past S7, regardless of what form it may take. But ABC isn't going to be willing to lose money on that S7; ad rates will be down, so money will have to come out of the budget. The easiest way for them to cut money is to cut cast.

CCTC

CCTC

I think Robert Carlyle is the best actor on the show.  That said, I think his character is the most played out, esp. the relationship with Belle.  The only way I would really want him back is if they had him truly be the big bad for the final season - no hints of reconciliation with Belle - and he bursts into flames in the finale getting his just deserts and it not being part of some noble sacrifice. 

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Curio

Curio

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We don't really know much about Zelena's story line in 6B, right? I feel like she's easily the most expendable cast member and probably won't make it to Season 7. Rumple has been trying to kill her for multiple seasons and even attempted to kill her in Episode 8 this season. Rumple said he would find a loophole to kill Zelena, and I'm guessing that loophole is that he'll die a sacrificial death to protect Belle and Gideon, but because of Zelena's spell she put on his heart, Rumple's death means that she dies too. Two cast members gone and money saved for Season 7.

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orza

orza

Given the state of the ratings, none of the actors have any leverage. Channing Dungey is the one with all the power here. She pretty much laid it out during her recent TCA interviews that if the show returns it will be with a reduced or different cast. She seems to be prepared to move forward without some of the hitherto presumed stars of the show, if need be. I doubt executive management at abc considers any one actor essential to the future of the show. It's all about cutting costs. They can come up with story lines to fit whatever cast they are left with.

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Souris

Souris

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51 minutes ago, orza said:

Given the state of the ratings, none of the actors have any leverage. Channing Dungey is the one with all the power here. She pretty much laid it out during her recent TCA interviews that if the show returns it will be with a reduced or different cast. She seems to be prepared to move forward without some of the hitherto presumed stars of the show, if need be. I doubt executive management at abc considers any one actor essential to the future of the show. It's all about cutting costs. They can come up with story lines to fit whatever cast they are left with.

Exactly. ABC isn't going to bend to any actor's wishes. They don't care who leaves a show, and Grey's proved they could kill off half the main couple and have the show survive. (Different situations, but I think that would be ABC's takeaway.) And they were also fully prepared to continue Castle without Beckett, but it ended up not being worth it for them. If they don't want to give JMo, for example, what she wants in order to sign for S7, then it'll be "so long, Emma." There will be negotiation and back-and-forth between the sides, but there's no guarantee an agreement will be reached. Angel ended because Fox and Joss Whedon couldn't come to terms. Fox wanted one more season, Joss would only sign for two -- so Fox said, OK, none then. A&E have even set up the season to deal with Emma's possible death, which says to me they were thinking ahead and preparing fans (and maybe JMo) for the possibility.

My guess is JMo would sign for one more season, perhaps with extra time off, but ABC would want her to contract for multiple seasons. (Not that the show is likely to go longer, but they would want her locked in just in case.) I wouldn't be surprised if JMo revealed her contract situation to get some leverage from fan response. Not a thing wrong with that -- IMO that would be really smart of her. I'm fully on her side here, whatever she decides.

No one should ever think a network would "do the right thing" or think of what's best for a story or character. They do not care. Their decisions are one thing and one thing only: money. The X-Files did a season without David Duchovny, for heaven's sake. And Fox Mulder was more central to that show than any Once character is to Once. Once would certainly do a season without Emma, Rumple, Snow or any other character/actor if they thought they'd make money on it.

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scenicbyway

scenicbyway

I know they haven't done any recent interviews, but I would think that if anyone is leaving the show it would be Ginny and Josh.  Ginny must be the second highest paid on the show.  She especially has been working on outside projects.  While it would be odd not to have Snow and Charming, how they are featured now is basically in guest starring roles anyway.  I can't see a need to keep Bex around either.

Rumple has always been the foe for Hook and Emma, if the show continues, surely its to show their "happily ever after" an engagement which, I would think would have to include Rumple in some way.  I'm guessing they wouldn't get rid of Regina because of Henry.

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Hookian

Hookian

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I don't understand why people keep bringing up JMO, nothing in her interview indicated she's leaving.

I don't think we'll have to worry about JMO leaving TBH. I mean she's gonna be at a panel next week with the creators and Colin. Clearly she is still very interested in this show enough to promote it and such. Her interview was not doom and gloom.

TBH I think Bobby is being cut as a regular, which means Emilie will be cut. Maybe both will be recurring. We may be looking at Gosh being cut as well.

I honestly think the one safe person is Emma. And Emma IS the Meredith Gray of this show. She is the star, she is the Castle. She's the basis of this show. She's not just one-half of a couple. If that was the case Hook would be dying, not her.

She is the original character, the foundation of the show. She's the only one IMO that is safe from this. Nobody will watch a show without Emma.

Period.

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RedKeep

RedKeep

I wonder... for how many casual viewers the "star" of the show is actually the concept, Disney/fairytale characters meet modern world, something along those lines. I don't know if I'm convinced that a vast majority of viewers outside of fandom would drop the show without second thought over a (particular) character's fate. I mean, again, think Grey's Anatomy and "McDreamy". If ABC's looking at this from the pov that Kitsis/Horowitz wasted tons of potential in terms of mere story concept and there's more to be done with that still, I can see why they'd entertain reboot ideas or continuing with or without some of the original stars.

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

Just now, RedKeep said:

I wonder... for how many casual viewers the "star" of the show is actually the concept, Disney/fairytale characters meet modern world, something along those lines. I don't know if I'm convinced that a vast majority of viewers outside of fandom would drop the show without second thought over a (particular) character's fate. 

A lot of viewers dropped the show after what happened to Snow in 2B, so I'd say plot and characters do have bearing, even to casual audiences.

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Souris

Souris

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5 minutes ago, RedKeep said:

I wonder... for how many casual viewers the "star" of the show is actually the concept, Disney/fairytale characters meet modern world, something along those lines. I don't know if I'm convinced that a vast majority of viewers outside of fandom would drop the show without second thought over a (particular) character's fate. I mean, again, think Grey's Anatomy and "McDreamy". If ABC's looking at this from the pov that Kitsis/Horowitz wasted tons of potential in terms of mere story concept and there's more to be done with that still, I can see why they'd entertain reboot ideas or continuing with or without some of the original stars.

Exactly. Many of us see Emma as the central, indispensable character, but that doesn't mean that ABC or the general audience does. I'm pretty sure A&E don't.  (As long as they have Regina, they're happy.) A network doesn't see any character or actor as indispensable. To think "there's no way they'd do the show without Actor X" is folly and not accepting the reality of the business. Every actor on network TV is dispensable to a network. Heck, I think ABC would even continue How to Get Away With Murder without Violet Davis if they thought they'd make some money on it.

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Hookian

Hookian

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6 minutes ago, RedKeep said:

I wonder... for how many casual viewers the "star" of the show is actually the concept, Disney/fairytale characters meet modern world, something along those lines. I don't know if I'm convinced that a vast majority of viewers outside of fandom would drop the show without second thought over a (particular) character's fate. I mean, again, think Grey's Anatomy and "McDreamy". If ABC's looking at this from the pov that Kitsis/Horowitz wasted tons of potential in terms of mere story concept and there's more to be done with that still, I can see why they'd entertain reboot ideas or continuing with or without some of the original stars.

Modern World is represented through Emma. So losing her means losing the foundation of the show. She's the only real character on this show, where everybody else is from fairy tales.

Without Emma the show is just a twist on fairytales, no modern world POV in it and she's not "Mcdreamy" in this show. She's Meredith Gray.

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Curio

Curio

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2 minutes ago, Hookian said:

Modern World is represented through Emma. So losing her means losing the foundation of the show. She's the only real character on this show, where everybody else is from fairy tales.

Yes, but Channing Dungey has also mentioned that she's open to the idea of retooling or rebooting Season 7 into something else entirely. We don't need Emma's real world perspective if Season 7 is a prequel about Regina or Hook.

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Hookian

Hookian

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17 minutes ago, Curio said:

Yes, but Channing Dungey has also mentioned that she's open to the idea of retooling or rebooting Season 7 into something else entirely. We don't need Emma's real world perspective if Season 7 is a prequel about Regina or Hook.

Prequel about Regina? We've seen that already, in multiple spins throughout the last 6 seasons. We don't need more.

If JMO is not signed for S7 then I could easily see her coming back near the end of it to wrap the show and her character. Nina Dobrev is coming back for VD's final season. The same situation could happen with OUAT. Even though I don't think we'll get to that point.

I do have hope and believe JMO will come back in S7 as a regular..

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maryle

maryle

Honestly, it will all come down to money, money, money....and the fact that A. and E. want to find a way to still going at least a last season.

So, nothing is out of question and everything is possible. I think next week at the panel could be interesting if JMO talk about the situation more.  Now, from a storyline point of view Rumbelle and Snowing have pretty much their story told. It definitely still some juice narrative speaking from Emma and Hook and CS.  I think everyone consider Lana a safe bet so I don't mention her.

But, if the choice is between a 1001 separation reunion between rumbelle and a satisfying and to CS I know which one is a better seller and have something not already told. 

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Prequel about Regina? We've seen that already, in multiple spins throughout the last 6 seasons. We don't need more.

As if that would stop them, their 'bright' idea this season was to have 2 Reginas.

17 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

Bex posted this photo of herself in Wicked Witch garb, complete with green skin and emerald pendant. I guess it could be old, but the background doesn't appear to be anything we've seen in a Zelena flashback.

It's possible, 6b is shaping up to be a mish mash of storylines.

Camera One

Camera One

Not reading the comments, but I had a few questions.  

Are they going to pretend August was just around in Storybrooke all along since 4B?  But Emma just never went to talk to her male BFF because?  

Now that The Evil Queen is a snake, are they going to save The Dragon off-screen?

Tinkerbelle has been busy at the convent doing ...?  

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

6 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Are they going to pretend August was just around in Storybrooke all along since 4B?  But Emma just never went to talk to her male BFF because?

I guess she was out of town for most of season 5, though you do wonder why Emma's male BFF didn't bother to check in on things while she was a Dark One or come to the funeral of his female BFF's boyfriend.

maryle

maryle

Interesting!

it does seem that the CS separation is not too long so I will take it.  

I have feeling Hook, Emma and Lilly Tiger will have scene together in the episode because of the stand in use yesterday and Jen posted.

But, Snowing can still have a big part for the ending of their curse in the episode. It is not one or the other it can be both without too much useless flash back. I so wish for Less flash back and more present scene. 

I like the new jacket better but I hope soon will have more spoiler about what happening in 6b( at the panel). This arc seem so random and incoherent.

Souris

Souris

19 minutes ago, maryle said:

Interesting!

it does seem that the CS separation is not too long so I will take it.

I don't think we know that for sure. We don't have any concrete spoilers for Jen & Colin actually filming together since the on-the-street kiss for 6x12. (Unless I've missed something in the past couple of days.) They may have been on set together at the same time, but that doesn't necessarily mean they were filming together. Nor does filming on the same day, since apparently they have multiple units filming different things at the same time fairly regularly. I mean, we have so few spoilers about who's filming with whom, we have no real clue what's going on or who's filming together!

It seems like they're giving Hook a new coat that evokes his old pirate coat. Not sure what that means.

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scenicbyway

scenicbyway

Just looking at that quote from A&E about Tigerlily being bad news for Hook's road to redemption...sorry, but the guy actually died last year and freaking Zeus brought him back to life because he deserved it.  I don't buy at all that Hook still is on a path to or needs redemption at this point.  The guy is good, the bad ship has sailed.

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

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3 minutes ago, scenicbyway said:

Just looking at that quote from A&E about Tigerlily being bad news for Hook's road to redemption...sorry, but the guy actually died last year and freaking Zeus brought him back to life because he deserved it.  I don't buy at all that Hook still is on a path to or needs redemption at this point.  The guy is good, the bad ship has sailed.

I agree. There's nothing else to do at this point. We already know Hook regrets his past. He needs something new to work with, but Tiger Lily ain't gonna bring it.

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Souris

Souris

Wouldn't be surprised if they have Hook do something "bad" in regard to Tiger Lily in the present. (Perhaps hence the more piratey coat to evoke him being piratey again.) Since people got so upset about Regina murdering Wishverse Snowing, they think they have to balance it out by saying, "See? Hook does bad stuff still too! Now shut up about Regina! She's GOOD, damn it!" Instead of making Regina, you know, not do stuff like that, they just have others do something similar instead.

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Guest

21 minutes ago, scenicbyway said:

Just looking at that quote from A&E about Tigerlily being bad news for Hook's road to redemption...sorry, but the guy actually died last year and freaking Zeus brought him back to life because he deserved it.  I don't buy at all that Hook still is on a path to or needs redemption at this point.  The guy is good, the bad ship has sailed.

Not sure which one you are referring to; but the only one I've seen makes it sound like this is just a repeat of Hook having to confront/ make amends to someone he hurt in the past.

Hookian

Hookian

13 hours ago, Souris said:

 

13 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

I agree. There's nothing else to do at this point. We already know Hook regrets his past. He needs something new to work with, but Tiger Lily ain't gonna bring it.

Unfortunately these writers like to rinse and repeast and Hook has history with Neverland characters so it was obvious he had dealings with Tiger Lily. It's Ursula 2.0.

Rumsy4

Rumsy4

Just now, Rumsy4 said:

Will we see Once Upon a Time‘s Belle in the wish world? —Rebecca

I am hearing that not only will you see Belle in the Wish Realm, but you’ll see her “like you’ve never seen her before.” (X)

The spoiler everyone's been waiting for. :-p

Snark aside, I'm going to guess she's old too. Unless they made her Bar Wench Lacey. 

KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

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Snark aside, I'm going to guess she's old too. Unless they made her Bar Wench Lacey. 

I didn't even think about Wish!Belle. Maybe she's a strong, independent woman who doesn't need a man to be happy. It's not even worth guessing how the curse not happening would have affected her, since everything is purely arbitrary. She could be old, she could be young. It won't matter.

It would be super awkward if she was Wish!Killian's lover.

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