Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Shanna Marie]

3 minutes ago, KAOS Agent said:

Yep, Emma's going to die, but they continue to work with Regina and don't even bother worrying about spending what could be Emma's final days with her.

I guess they've decided that they should just live a normal life instead of worrying about dying when any of them might be hit by a bus at any moment, and their normal life is Emma's parents hanging out with Regina while ignoring their daughter.

[Free]

29 minutes ago, KAOS Agent said:

Yep, Emma's going to die, but they continue to work with Regina and don't even bother worrying about spending what could be Emma's final days with her. I get that the writers want Regina protecting Snow from her evil self, but it only furthers the idea that they really don't have a relationship with their daughter.

Too busy giving Aladdin a tour guide than actually caring about her 'death'.

[YaddaYadda]

I'm waiting for them to get into the whole Savior mythology. They've done nothing to set that up. But then, they're about to address the heart split like 2 seasons and half later.

[PixiePaws1]

I was watching the Emms/Hooded figure figt again and zoomed in on the figure's hand. Obviously it was a stuntperson and not the actual character but the hand seems too small to be a man.

I  don't think the EQ wants to crush Snowing's heart but she would likely get a LOT of kicks from controlling them....and if they only have half a heart each does that mean she wouldn't have full control or would she completely dominate???

[Curio]

2 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

Obviously it was a stuntperson and not the actual character but the hand seems too small

Plot twist: Donald Trump is under the hood.

[KingOfHearts]

14 minutes ago, Curio said:

Plot twist: Donald Trump is under the hood.

From Fictional New York, no doubt.

[kitticup]

9 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

No mention of Liam 2.0 in the casting for the news release, so I guess that's a one and done thing. In a way, that ending made sense, where Liam is over trying to kill Hook, but his real family is Nemo, and he has no interest in establishing a relationship with the brother who ruined his life. But on this show, that's usually the start of a beautiful relationship. Maybe the Nautilus really does have realm-jumping abilities, and once Nemo's recovered, they'll all head off and we'll never hear of 2.0 again.

Remember that water connects all the realms, which is why mermaids can jump realms; so Nautilus might be able too as well.

I liked the episode.  It was beautiful.   There were huge plot holes, but it's TSTW.

 I liked the relationship between hook and Henry. I don't think Henry was that bad.   He's a teenager that has been given a lot of slack and not enough discipline.  

I loved the actor who played  Nemo.  I wish that Nemo and crew could be made part of Storybrook.  I think his quest for vengeance makes him a good counterpoint to other main characters.  It's too bad the writers don't let storylines develop over several episodes.

[Free]

8 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I'm waiting for them to get into the whole Savior mythology. They've done nothing to set that up. But then, they're about to address the heart split like 2 seasons and half later.

I just hope it isn't as disappointing as the DO where an army of them literally stood around and did nothing.

[YaddaYadda]

8 hours ago, Free said:

I just hope it isn't as disappointing as the DO where an army of them literally stood around and did nothing.

It probably will be because that's how they roll. 

[RadioGirl27]

The title for episode 12 ("Murder Most Foul") is a quote from Hamlet and with King George returning, I guess that is the episode where they go back to the murder of Charming's father.

[Curio]

The more spoilers that come out for 6B, the more it actually seems like this Page 23 AU might happen. I don't want to get my hopes up though because that's been a wish list item of mine for a while now, and with TS;TW, I always have to watch my expectations.

[Rumsy4]

Maybe King George had David's father killed because he wanted to get James back or something.

[KingOfHearts]

From the promo stills it looks like Regina brought her dying apple tree to Granny's so everyone else can help her figure out why her magic bottle of fertilizer isn't working any more.

Also, isn't Zelena going to be a little upset that her sister is threatening to destroy all of Storybrooke?

Edited November 1, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

27 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Maybe King George had David's father killed because he wanted to get James back or something.

That was my first thought as well!

[YaddaYadda]

5 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Also, isn't Zelena going to be a little upset that her sister is threatening to destroy all of Storybrooke?

I thought she kinda looked upset in the promo. Maybe it's a turning point for her, except that EQ will probably hold the baby's life over her head. And baby rattles come with a price.

[CCTC]

I watched too many soaps back in the day, because I just had a thought that David in investigating the death of his father, is going to discover the man who (badly) raised him and thought was his father is not actually his father and it will be someone like Rumple or Pan or Grumpy....  I don't really think that is going to happen, just a random thought from when soaps bent over backwards to make sure everyone turned out to be a long lost son, father, brother etc. no matter how unlikely and convoluted - family history and logic be damned.  This might partially explain why soap ratings plummeted.  

[Shanna Marie]

George coming back could support my theory that George had Daddy Shepherd killed and that's why the murder was covered up as a "cart accident." It still could have been Hook as the hired assassin, though that would really stretch credibility. But since Hook's centric this year wasn't about him screwing over someone by choosing his revenge over everything else, instead being a follow-up about someone he screwed over with his desire for revenge, it might not be overkill to have Hook turn out to be the killer.

[Mathius]

"Murder Most Foul", written by the two writers who previously wrote episodes featuring the Charming's dad plot...yeah, it'll wrap up here.

And KING GEORGE IS BACK!?  I never thought I'd see the day!

Also, the title is a Hamlet reference where a prince's father is killed by an evil king character....yep, King George definitely killed Charming's dad.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Mathius

[Shanna Marie]

6 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Also, the title is a Hamlet reference where a prince's father is killed by an evil king character....yep, King George definitely killed Charming's dad.

It's really the only logical reason why there'd be any cover-up about the death of a farmer. Otherwise, who cares who killed him or how he died? If he was just robbed and murdered, why try to make it look like an accident? There's only a cover-up if it stands to hurt someone in power. So if Daddy Shepherd had maybe drunkenly blabbed about selling his son to the king or if he'd sobered up enough to regret selling his son to the king and tried to get his son back, then George might have had him killed to keep him quiet and keep the secret, and he'd have wanted it to look like an accident so the death wouldn't be investigated at all and there would be no chance of it leading to George or revealing the secret that James wasn't a real prince.

[TheGreenKnight]

I was never fond of King George or Charming's backstory, but in a way I'm happy he's appearing again since he did have a sizable role in the early seasons.

[KingOfHearts]

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yep, King George definitely killed Charming's dad.

Well that's anticlimactic. Evil people do evil things. Big shocker. It's not really any news that King George screwed over the Charming twins.

Edited November 1, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[KAOS Agent]

There could be a twist. Maybe Daddy Charming isn't really dead, but sold his cart to some other poor guy and he's the one who ended up murdered. Seeing this, he ran off to the Land of Untold Stories to protect himself and his family.

Edited November 2, 2016 by KAOS Agent

[Rumsy4]

Charming will wrestle with whether or not he should kill King George to avange his father's death, blah, blah. And will be talked down by Snow or Hook. 

[KingOfHearts]

24 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Charming will wrestle with whether or not he should kill King George to avange his father's death, blah, blah. And will be talked down by Snow or Hook. 

It's a shame this storyline is being dragged out so long. Charming isn't a strong enough character to hold it up. His story always ends up so boring.

Edited November 1, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Rumsy4]

Plus this story is so predictable. I don't think David's father is in the LoUS. You can't relegate a father/grandfather to the main cast to off-screenville, unless he is killed off in the actual episode in the present.

[Spartan Girl]

4 hours ago, RadioGirl27 said:

The title for episode 12 ("Murder Most Foul") is a quote from Hamlet and with King George returning, I guess that is the episode where they go back to the murder of Charming's father.

Ugh, that asshole. Could've just killed him off in season one or two, but nooooooooo, the good guys always have to be dumb.

[Free]

2 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

It's a shame this storyline is being dragged out so long. Charming isn't a strong enough character to hold it up. His story always ends up so boring.

There really was no reason for it to be or come back at all since he really hasn't done anything since, this just comes up as random and just an excuse for the writers to insert as many old characters as much as possible.

[CCTC]

I don't have a problem with King James coming back. I actually think it makes sense, since there is some unfinished business there.  I also think Charming/Dallas could support a story if it is written well -- which I realize is a big "if".  My biggest concern is mentioned above lazy writing.  I would even be OK if he was the obvious killer, it would make sense story and character wise, but if it is written haphazardly and rushed without much thought that is a different story.   They basically did that with James, which was too bad, because I thought Dallas did a good job with the evil twin and they could have given him something different to do.  Plus, it could have meant more Cruella, which is never a bad thing.  

I think the show has some good ideas, but before they can execute them they get distracted by something else, and rush through the idea so they can introduce their latest distraction.  I think all of the half seasons had some ideas that had some great potential, but got bogged down when 25 other half-baked ideas were thrown in as well.

[maryle]

Now, I am interesting in the au scenario!!

The set goer said that Jen, Colin and the actor who plays August  have filming together but could not take pics or describe their costumes.

So, episode 11 has Emma in a princess bed, a young Emma flash back and Hook and Emma together in some kind of costume.

Every thing sound too good where the trap?

[Souris]

I think it's more likely to be some sort of dream rather than an actual AU. Maybe Emma will come through the Savior "death fever" because she's "Tougher Than the Rest." 

It sounds like 6x12 will deal with David's father's murder, so that suggests to me that things are back to normal then.

Not sure how that would fit with Robin being back for multiple episodes, though.

[RadioGirl27]

The big problem I have with the AU is the age of the character. I know the writers don't care, but Emma is 28 years younger than everybody else. If time passed in a normal way Regina should be at least 60.

Edited November 2, 2016 by RadioGirl27

[Souris]

28 minutes ago, RadioGirl27 said:

The big problem I have with the AU is the age of the character. I know the writers don't care, but Emma is 28 years younger than everybody else. If time passed in a normal way Regina should be at least 60.

That's part of why I think a dream is more likely than an AU. Of course, it's not like the show pays much attention to things like timelines and chronology....

[PixiePaws1]

I am thinking that whatever this wish is that seems to come into it may have unexpected and far reaching consequences beyond bringing Robin back for damage control....um...l mean well thought out and not at all retconned closure for OQ.

An ill worded wish could end up with everyone back in the EF in an AU and still handle the age issues it would create. Looking at mini-Emma's costume ..perhaps Emma gets aged down.

[janett snakehole]

2 hours ago, RadioGirl27 said:

The big problem I have with the AU is the age of the character. I know the writers don't care, but Emma is 28 years younger than everybody else. If time passed in a normal way Regina should be at least 60.

This is what I'be been wondering about with the AU spec. I think it's most likely happening, but I wonder how they will address the age issue. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't mention it at all and everyone stays the same age, but without the frozen time curse shenanigans, Emma should be 28 years younger than everyone (excluding Henry who wouldn't exist). Are they going to hand wave it? Or possibly age Snow/Charming/Regina up. Or like PixiePaws1 mention, maybe they will age Emma down. I hope not because that would make for some icky issues if they have a captain swan story line in the AU. The one thing I'm sure of is it probably won't make a lot of sense. lol

[Serena]

Maybe they'll have scenes of young!Emma (the actual kid, we know she's in the episode) with everyone else. Then we'll see JMo!Emma as the Queen while everyone else is tragically dead (or everyone but one person, maybe, so they have to do old age makeup on only one regular cast member) and the fact that she's all alone ruling will be the "push" for her to wake up and go back to a world where all her family around her? So the writers can have the "The Curse was really a good thing after all" stuff we know they've always wanted to do.

Is this supposed AU airing as the midseason finale? Or the 6B premiere? It's such an interesting premise it should be at least a couple of episodes like the 3B finale, but I guess not...

[Curio]

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Is this supposed AU airing as the midseason finale? Or the 6B premiere? It's such an interesting premise it should be at least a couple of episodes like the 3B finale, but I guess not...

 

I assume it's kicking off 6B because I think "Wish You Were Here" is the fall finale. At least I hope it is, because I'm with you, I want this to be a half season arc and not a one-off deal. If this AU scenario is legit and the second half of the season is all AU-centered, then it's incredibly ironic that A&E kept insisting over the summer that this season wouldn't be a split A/B structure, only for it to be the most split A/B structure ever.

It seems like Emma, Colin, and Eion filmed wearing Enchanted Forest costumes. The people who saw them filming were instructed not to tell anyone what they were wearing, and they'd only do that if they were in Enchanted Forest costumes. (Or if Emma was wearing a wedding dress...) Now if Emma and Hook are the same age in the AU, then maybe we'll get a scenario where there was yet another curse where everyone but Emma stayed frozen for decades, and that way, Emma can be the same age as her parents again. It would kind of be like fate trying to stick to the original timeline by staying as close as possible to the real events that already happened.

Edit: Wait, I thought they were already filming 6x12. Are they still filming 6x11? Ugh, maybe it is only a one-off episode. :( A&E, why can't you actually make your interesting one-off episodes the overarching plot of the season? An AU would have been a thousand times more interesting than the Land of Untold Stories and the stupid duel Reginas plot.

Edited November 2, 2016 by Curio

[YaddaYadda]

A&E are writing both 6x10 and 6x11 so I'm expecting a lot of confusions and WTF facial expressions.

[Mathius]

Yeah, 6x10 and 6x11 seem to be a two-parter, with 6x10 being the winter finale because it ends on a cliffhanger. An AU will not last long, sadly.

And 6x11 is the episode with August in it, good to know, but I'm still wondering when the Dragon is going to return since he was confirmed to earlier.

Edited November 2, 2016 by Mathius

[maryle]

Honestly, is the Robin Hood multiple episode deal I don't reconcile with what seems the most possible au, dream or wish beginning at the end of ep.10 and terminate in 11 for the murder mystery of Charming Dad in12. 

Maybe if Robin is in10,11 and come back for the final in spring all work well.

I am not sure I will like a au or whatever all season long it will depending of the premier of it.  If it because of Morpheus and impact everyone and not just for Regina point of view. I will like it better than be just some OQ closure and everyone is just there to help her. Not at all interesting. 

I will add that 6b seems more balancing than I expected so hopefully this trend continues.

[Shanna Marie]

I'm amusing myself with the idea that Hook changing into noticeably different clothes (instead of very subtle variations on the same thing) counts as a major spoiler. If Hook's wearing something different, seriously wacky things must be afoot!

[PixiePaws1]

World's most repetitive and boring sneak peek is up on YouTube..

*snore*

[KingOfHearts]

I noticed the Evil Queen specifically mentioned Snow's heart. If she needs Charming's half as well, does she need the full heart for a spell? Or is that just her being batshit crazy?

So over Regina and Zelena's high school gossip about banging Rumple. 

Edited November 3, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Rumsy4]

Cringe-worthy acting from Lana. But gorgeous dress. Eduardo is going all out. I guess all the CGI budget is going towards the EQ's costumes this season. He said that she's getting a new outfit per episode or something.

Looks like the honeymoon phase is over between Zelena and the EQ. All due to Rumple. Ugh...

[Mathius]

Zelena is so going to tell Belle what's going on between her ex-husband and the EQ, isn't she?

[YaddaYadda]

10 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Zelena is so going to tell Belle what's going on between her ex-husband and the EQ, isn't she?

I think she is, and she'll probably tell her to run the other way.

Edited November 3, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[Free]

15 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

A&E are writing both 6x10 and 6x11 so I'm expecting a lot of confusions and WTF facial expressions.

This sounds like the last 2 parter AU all over again.

4 hours ago, PixiePaws1 said:

World's most repetitive and boring sneak peek is up on YouTube..

*snore*

Sadly and it's not just the sneak peek either.

[Serena]

7 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I think she is, and she'll probably tell her to run the other way.

For once, she'll be right.

[KingOfHearts]

I love how Zelena can be a voice of reason while also remaining totally nuts. She says the most sensical things then does something crazy like cutting her hand off. She's said some pretty good truth bombs in the past.

[YaddaYadda]

8 hours ago, Free said:

This sounds like the last 2 parter AU all over again.

Not necessarily. They always write the last episode of the fall and the first episode of the winter. I wish they just wouldn't write.

Also, AUs are stand alone episodes and I don't know why they would do that in the middle of the season like that.

[Souris]

This tumblr has the most spoilers about what's going on. According to the site's sources, a crew member said it's a "twisted" AU. Regina & Emma have filmed both in SB clothes and EF clothes (the EQ is also there), so that's pretty confusing. I wonder if Emma & Regina are somehow observers of this AU, or only those two have been transported to this AU, which also contains their EF counterparts.

I'm not excited about this AU because it'll almost assuredly be used to show that Regina's curse was actually a blessing for everybody, not a curse, and they should all get down on their knees and thank her. And "twisted" does not inspire confidence in the hands of these writers. Watch it be like Emma is marrying August, Snowing hate each other, crap like that.