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Camera One

When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

Curio
Curio

At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

Serena
Serena

HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

RadioGirl27

RadioGirl27

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So what, Hook and Belle are going to do pajama parties on the Jolly Roger while they drink tea (Hook's with a bit of rum in it) and criticise Rumple? Or is he going to sleep in a bench at the docks (again)? Or are Granny's mattresses bad for Emma's enemies but not for Emma's boyfriend? This is so annoying.

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pezgirl7

pezgirl7

Even though Colin said he wasn't sure where Hook was staying, my first thought after watching the sneak peek was that Hook must be staying with Emma in their house. I just got the impression that he's not staying at Granny's because of Emma's comment, and he's not sleeping on the Jolly Roger, because he's offering it to Belle. If he takes Belle to the captain's quarters, I think that will confirm it for me. :)

retrograde

retrograde

Yeesh, that sneak peek is just full of awkward, clunky dialogue all around.

Colin O'Donoghue says in every one of those interviews that Hook and Emma are usually very honest with each other. I don't know what show he is watching, but from where I sit, they do very little but keep information from each other and tell lies. 

Kktjones

Kktjones

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Yeah - I love me some CaptainSwan, but since 3B their main storyline has involved lying to each other pretty much every single arc. I guess maybe he means they are usually pretty emotionally honest with each other. I could get behind that statement.

I'm also not outraged that they aren't living together yet, but the fact that it's undetermined where he currently lives is just bad writing plain and simple...

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Mathius

Mathius

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Seriously.

3B - Hook isn't honest with Emma about his cursed lips.

4A - Hook and Emma aren't honest with each other about a variety of things.

4B - Hook isn't honest with Emma about Ursula, although this one is kept mercifully brief.

5A - Emma isn't honest with Hook about a variety of things.

And now Emma isn't honest with Hook once again, which is especially galling since 5B finally bucked the trend and allowed them mutual honesty.

EDIT: ETOnline has another interview with Colin.  And while it's great that we'll see more of Hook bonding with Charming and Henry, it's frustrating that Snow was not mentioned and so there will still be nothing between the two of them.  Given their similar backgrounds as outlaws, I would think there would be great interactions to be had between Snow and Hook, or between Snow and Robin back when he was around, but no, these days Snow's interactions are limited to just Charming and Regina.  Emma, Henry, Hook, and other side characters?  They don't matter to her anymore.

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

Hook's really one to talk to Emma about needing therapy. He could use a few cricket sessions, himself, given the multiple deaths, being the Dark One, learning that his brother wasn't the man he thought he was, his self-loathing and guilt issues, Daddy issues, etc. Why does everyone act like Emma's the only one with stuff to work out?

1 hour ago, RadioGirl27 said:

So what, Hook and Belle are going to do pajama parties on the Jolly Roger while they drink tea (Hook's with a bit of rum in it) and criticise Rumple?

I would totally watch that show.

2 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

And I'm sticking to my magic-induced fever dream/test headcanon until proven otherwise.

Right there with you. It's the only explanation that doesn't totally screw up continuity. It all happened in Hook's head in that split second when Regina was menacing him. Maybe the Evil Queen will spill that it never happened and he's been feeling guilty for nothing.

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Curio

Curio

I'm kind of confused by the order of episodes here...

Episode 2 is this Sunday and will focus mainly on the Count of Monte Cristo and his feud with Regina.

Episode 3 is "The Other Shoe." Cinderella's centric, and I'm guessing this will be the episode where Ashley gives Emma a pep talk about punching back against the world and Emma finally opens up about her vision.

Episode 4 is "Strange Case." Obviously a Jekyll/Hyde centric, but will this be the last we see of them? I honestly can't remember if they've filmed in any episodes beyond this point. Maybe this is the end of the road for them.

Episode 5 is "Street Rats." I'm assuming it's an Aladdin centric with some Emma and Savior stuff sprinkled thrown in.

Episode 6 is "Dark Waters." Hook's centric with Captain Nemo. I feel like this will be a very straightforward centric.

Episode 7 is "Heartless." Is this the one where the Blue Fairy is doing some magic at the marina? This one also seemed to feature a lot of Snow and Charming filming in the woods based on the Leaf Lady's photos. They said we'd dive into Charming's past and Ruth would show up, so maybe this is a Charming/Snow centric with an emphasis on Charming.

Episode 8 is "I'll Be Your Mirror." I initially thought this was going to be a Henry/Regina episode, but it's looking to be more of an Emma and Regina episode. There are behind the scenes photos of Emma and Regina filming outside of Granny's, and then there's a photo of Regina and Emma down by waterfront and Regina is holding a mirror. But then Jennifer and Lana posted on their Instagram photos of Emma and the Evil Queen at the same waterfront, and I think there was confirmation that Emma and the Evil Queen filmed a night scene together. So are we getting a repeat of "Breaking Glass" (everybody moans and throws things at their computer screens simultaneously) where Regina has a mirror and she and Emma are wandering around trying to find something, and then they run into the Evil Queen at the waterfront?

Is that correct? Did I miss anything important? Episode 9 and 10 better pick up the pace, because it doesn't seem like the Evil Queen has caused much trouble at this point. (And I really don't want to see them extending this Evil Queen stuff into the spring, so it needs to wrap up in 80 minutes or less.)

Mathius

Mathius

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1 hour ago, Curio said:

Episode 4 is "Strange Case." Obviously a Jekyll/Hyde centric, but will this be the last we see of them? I honestly can't remember if they've filmed in any episodes beyond this point. Maybe this is the end of the road for them.

I doubt it, it's more likely that they (particularly Sam Witwer) have just filmed indoor scenes for the following episodes.

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Is that correct? Did I miss anything important? Episode 9 and 10 better pick up the pace, because it doesn't seem like the Evil Queen has caused much trouble at this point. (And I really don't want to see them extending this Evil Queen stuff into the spring, so it needs to wrap up in 80 minutes or less.)

There has to be something climactic happening in the winter finale even if the arc continues into Spring, and given that the whole Savior/Aladdin arc and Untold Stories arc have more longevity, then I'm betting that the EQ will be re-absorbed by Regina in episode 10, only for the reveal to be made that it's normal Regina under the hood in Emma's vision (filming spoilers show that Regina is going to learn to swordfight in this coming episode, which also hints at Emma's opponent being her and not the EQ).  That way, Regina can become a part of the Savior arc for the rest of the season.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

Lol I agree. It was such an incredibly awkward way to introduce the plot of Belle living on the JR. If Emma thinks the mattresses at Granny's are bad (she used to sleep in her car), why not have Belle stay at her place? That's right--the writers don't want to confirm whether Hook lives there or not. Why have the CS house as an important plot point all through season 5, only to chicken out in season 6? If they didn't want to have Emma and Hook living together out of wedlock, they should never have introduced that as a thing in S5. Just have them talk of a future without a house that Hook literally picked, but is apparently not living in after coming back from the dead. If Emma's issues are so bad that she's going to backtrack on living together with Hook, then she's acting like a flake. 

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Serena

Serena

It was especially stupid because it would be so easy to find a legitimate reason for Belle not to stay at Granny's. Have her just say, "Actually, I would prefer somewhere a little more hidden so Rumple won't come bother me all the time." Then Hook suggests the Jolly Roger, and Emma says "Perfect, I'll just wave my hands and do some magic that will turn the Jolly invisible so you're hidden. I couldn't do this here because obviously people need to know where Granny's is." 

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Curio

Curio

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2 hours ago, XrystalPond said:

With all these refugee characters...Three Musketeers randomly hanging out...they could have just said that Granny's had no room available. After all, it appears to be more of a shelter from what they said in the first episode than an actual B&B. 

Yeah, I thought that was the obvious response. "Sorry, a bunch of people from the Land of Untold Stories just crashed into town, so all the rooms are booked." I didn't expect some random line about the mattress quality. It's yet another classic case of the writers trying to shoehorn in a "funny" line without thinking about the canon or characterization. I bet in the writers' room they laughed at the visual of Emma saying that line while Granny is off in the background waving her hand in the air out of frustration. But they forget that there probably wasn't room for Belle anyways, that these refugees have to sleep on those mattresses, that Hook was forced to sleep on those mattresses for most of Season 4, and that the Jolly Roger doesn't even technically have mattresses. 

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Curio

Curio

Why is the writing on this show so clunky and awkward? Why does Emma have to promise Regina she'll take care of Snow and Charming? Shouldn't Emma...oh, I don't know...want to help her parents because she loves them and it's the obvious thing to do? "Guys, I'm taking you some place safe because I promised Regina nothing bad would happen to you. If I didn't make that promise to Regina, I wouldn't be helping you at all. Did I mention Regina? I should probably mention Regina again. Regina." 

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

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7 minutes ago, Curio said:

Why is the writing on this show so clunky and awkward? Why does Emma have to promise Regina she'll take care of Snow and Charming? Shouldn't Emma...oh, I don't know...want to help her parents because she loves them and it's the obvious thing to do? "Guys, I'm taking you some place safe because I promised Regina nothing bad would happen to you. If I didn't make that promise to Regina, I wouldn't be helping you at all. Did I mention Regina? I should probably mention Regina again. Regina." 

Context is needed here, but for speculation sake, I'm assuming Snow will want to help her daughter Regina and has to be forced to safety. And if Snow wants to follow Regina, David will have to follow Snow. If Snow is told to go somewhere, of course she won't listen.

When I wanted them to give Snow more screen time, this isn't what I had in mind.

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daxx

daxx

8 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

When I wanted them to give Snow more screen time, this isn't what I had in mind.

Honestly the number of times I've said this.

Oh I want to see Hook's dad, uh, never Mind? 

I want more with Liam, damn, that's not what I wanted.

I want to see Snowing and Emma at a ball, dude, no!

I want to see Hook get angry at Emma for something for a change, no not that!

I no longer ask for things cause I get them but don't want the thing.

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Curio

Curio

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16 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Context is needed here

 

I'm assuming the context we're going to get is some scene between Emma and Regina earlier in the episode where Regina says something like, "Emma, I need your help. I...I mean the Evil Queen...definitely not me...I would never do such a thing...sent a man to murder your parents in the past. Since I've come so far and am now an official hero, I don't want anything to happen to your parents. Promise me you'll take them somewhere safe while I deal with this horrible man on my own."

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

Something struck me during the night: In the clip with Belle arriving at Granny's, did she react at all to the fact that Hook is alive? When she went under the sleeping curse, he was dead. Even if she assumed that they'd be successful in saving him, wouldn't she react in some way to the fact that she's talking to someone who was dead and in the Underworld the last time she saw him (did she see him? I don't remember whether Belle and Hook interacted in the Underworld)? Like, at least an "oh, good, it worked and you're alive"? I guess it's possible there's more we didn't see. But still, if I'm talking to a friend who was dead and who now isn't, it's probably going to affect the way I interact with him. It's going to be more than, "Oh, I'm glad I ran into you, I need a favor."

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Mathius

Mathius

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They interacted offscreen in the time between 5x16 and 5x17, as she's there will him and the rest of the heroes at the end of 5x16, and in the next episode tells Rumple that Hook told her about what had happened with Liam.

I can't blame Belle for her lack of reaction, though.  Everyone is written in a way where you wouldn't ever be able to tell that Hook was ever dead at all, including Hook himself.  Because these writers have absolutely no clue how to write realistic consequences anymore.

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

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It's not like the people in Hook's immediate circle got more than a second to process the fact that he is back. 

Belle is coming back to a place where Hook is alive and Robin is dead, people have been forced to Storybrooke against their will and Regina and the EQ are now 2 separate people. I'm not sure she even had the time to process the fact that her son is the one who woke her from the sleeping curse.

Also, where would Emma take her parents to keep them safe? The loft might be out of the question because everyone knows where they live.

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Mathius

Mathius

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I have absolutely zero anticipation for this coming Monte Cristo episode.  I want to get on to the Cinderella one, especially to see if the press release lists Anastasia for the flashback (and if so, did Emma Rigby film any indoor scenes we aren't aware of, or is Ana getting a recast like Jafar did?)

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Mitch

Mitch

On 9/30/2016 at 0:30 PM, KingOfHearts said:

 

So basically 2A Regina.

 

I thought they did a good job with her in 2A so yes.. and  then they screwed it up..(surprise right???) But in 2A she wasnt actively trying to kill anyone, but she wasn't the Charmings best friend at all, and her bad deeds were done for what she thought was "right" making sure no one took her son away...villains doing what they feel is right, in all the wrong ways are more interesting then just evil for evil's sake. I kind of liked Charming and her uneasy alliance for Henry. That kind of stuff was interesting but they blew it when Cora returned and Regina started like she had no brains and was just going kill everyone in SB with that dumb diamond thing and take Henry back to their hell hole world and...it just didn't work. 

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

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As for their unborn child, we will see the adult version of him again this season. “We love [Giles] and we think he’s great,” Horowitz says. “Yes, we’re going to see him again. This was a taste of an introduction, but how we get to that — because she’s clearly still pregnant — is a surprise we want to keep.” Kitsis adds: “He won’t come out 20 [years old].”

Adult Damien is coming back.
From the article, it seems like A&E think Rumple is a genuine person with a flawed side. But, I don't agree that he can "truly" love Belle and the baby while screwing them over. I don't think audiences will be "falling in love" with Rumple any more after S5. They're not fooling anyone. How can you be trusted after being the purest hero ever and still deceive?

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

I didn't think this episode was supposed to be a big Hook one, but they seem to have Colin doing all the promo for it. Then again, it was probably just a conference call that everyone's acting like was "exclusive." Did they see the premiere ratings and decide to do publicity, so they grabbed the actor who had a free hour this week and put him on the phone with reporters? Is there more Hook to this episode than there looks to be from the teaser? Or is it that they know that he's popular with the general audience and a great way to grab headlines?

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Curio

Curio

28 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

Did they see the premiere ratings and decide to do publicity, so they grabbed the actor who had a free hour this week and put him on the phone with reporters?

 

I'm guessing this. Hook isn't going to be anything more than the B-Plot this week, so it's not like he's promoting his centric. They'll probably just end up repeating some of the things Colin said in this interview once Episode 6 publicity comes around.

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Kktjones

Kktjones

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2 hours ago, Mathius said:

I think Emma will spill her secret to Hook in this episode, from the way Colin is talking about it.  We'll see.

Unfortunately I think that is wishful thinking. I think it will stretch to the end of the 3rd episode at the absolute earliest. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the sneak peek is the only scene with Emma & Hook this weekend. Filming spoilers show him on the Jolly with Belle and I think that's where he'll be for the duration...

Given that, I do find it very strange that they have him doing promo for this episode, rather than waiting until his centric (6x06). He must have been the only one available.

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Curio

Curio

8 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

What episode are they filming now? There's a good chance it will be Hook-light.

6x08, "I'll Be Your Mirror." Filming spoilers show that it'll probably be a Regina and Emma centric. There's also the behind the scenes photo of Aladdin with the lamp, so we can probably assume it'll be Hook-light if Colin is the guy doing the interview rounds right now. And Jennifer is going to be in New York next weekend, so maybe 6x09 will be more Emma-lite.

YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

11 minutes ago, Curio said:

And Jennifer is going to be in New York next weekend, so maybe 6x09 will be more Emma-lite.

Not necessarily. She flies into NYC on Thursday, does the morning show on Friday and the con in the evening, flies back to Vancouver Sunday, back on set on Monday. 

I'm secretly hoping that 6x09 is all about the Blue Fairy because of the title. You know she's shady enough to have dabbled in the baby trade.

Curio

Curio

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SNOW: We're too late.
REVEAL a BURNT OUT VILLAGE. Huts SMOLDER, crops decimated.
GRUMPY: Remind me why we spared the Evil Queen's life again.

Grumpy is officially my new favorite character.

Seriously, though...why?? Snow, please, do explain. The show has never given a proper answer to this question, and now we're just going to make jokes out of burning down villages? Why bother getting mad at any other villain who pops up if burning down villages is so easily forgiven? If I were Hyde, I'd be pissed that I was stuck in jail for doing far less than burning down a village. I despise this plot so much.

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RadioGirl27

RadioGirl27

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30 minutes ago, Curio said:

I think it was a joke, but this is also a show about time travel, freezing time for decades, rewriting the past, alternate universes, and babies who can appear as grown men in dreams. 

Yeah, I was joking. But with this writers... who knows ;-)

I have posted another interview with Colin in the spoilers only thread, and that makes six. Nothing new there, but it's really weird that he is doing all the promotion for a Snowing/EQ episode. When the episode airs and the Belle/Hook parts amounts a total of 1 minute of screentime, some people is going to be so disappointed.

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legaleagle53

legaleagle53

4 hours ago, Curio said:

I think it was a joke, but this is also a show about time travel, freezing time for decades, rewriting the past, alternate universes, and babies who can appear as grown men in dreams. 

Oh, I know she was joking.  I just don't want to give those two idiots -- and I don't mean Snow and David -- any ideas!

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