Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[KingOfHearts]

 

“Hopefully it becomes less about the relationship itself and more about Regina [and] open the door to who she is and what she’s going to become.”

 

LOL, once again it's only about Regina. Who gives a flip about Robin, Marian and Roland, right? It's all about what Regina gets out of it. I'm curious to see if they just drop OQ entirely. Depends on how badly they want to appease the Evil Regals.

 

If Regina were actually going to get some true growth from it, then that would be fine. I expect Woegina though. We know from some of the set reports ("You monster!") and interviews (Emma's guilt, etc.) that there will indeed be serious drama.

Edited August 28, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[daxx]

I got it - Snow gets whammied by the sleeping curse again, but since she and Charming share a heart it takes him out too. They're trapped in the oblivion of the sleeping curse together for eternity. No one can get them out because they share no other True Loves. What a shame....Oh, well. The dwarves then throw them both in a double-sized glass coffin together and call it a day. The End. :-P

 

ETA:

S5 then opens with the camera zoomed in on Snowing encased for eternity in their double-sized glass coffin. As the camera zooms and pans out, we see that Regina has been using them as her dining room table.

 

...Damn I miss the days when Regina was just evil and fun. Stupid "redemption" sucks the fun out of everything.

 

You're on KingOfHearts! I've got the drinks ; -)

Been watching too much Fringe? ( the coffee table part)

[Rumsy4]

from Inside Line

"hopefully it becomes less about the relationship itself" - damn, they aren't even pretending to give a shit about OQ.

 

LOL, once again it's only about Regina. Who gives a flip about Robin, Marian and Roland, right? It's all about what Regina gets out of it.

 

It's hilarious how they lead almost every question back to Regina's character development, whether it was originally about Robin, or Emma, or someone else. Also, they always say there's "no triangle", and it ends up being the most idiotic and contrived triangle drama ever. 

 

Been watching too much Fringe? ( the coffee table part)

 

That's exactly where my mind jumped to--lol. That also features parents waking up to their same-age daughter (who was played by Georgina in Fringe). 

Edited August 29, 2014 by Rumsy4

[FabulousTater]

Been watching too much Fringe? ( the coffee table part)

I resemble that remark.

Also, there's no such thing as too much Fringe!

 

That also features parents waking up to their same-age daughter (who was played by Georgina in Fringe).

And they did more with that relationship in 4-ish episodes than ONCE ever has.

Edited August 29, 2014 by FabulousTater

[l star]

I would have been shocked if the Robin Hoood mess was really about anyone other than Regina. That's not because of their thing for Regina, but because she is the only main character involved. Guest characters are pretty much always going to get shoved aside in favor of the main character's perspective. I'm still just waiting to get an actual spoiler about Regina. Saying that she is going to have romantic drama and that her story will be about her journey is not a spoiler. That's just stating the obvious.

I couldn't tell you what Philip even looks like, I probably couldn't even identify him in a picture from the show, but I like Aurora. She was always my least favorite princess so I think they have improved her on the show because I actually have some interest in her. In the original movie, she was really too dumb to live. I think Sarah has been able to keep her sweetness and naïveté while also being able to give her some personality and intelligence. I would be very disappointed if she was not heavily involved in any maleficent storyline.

I don't dislike Captain Swan, but I am not really a fan either so my hope is really just that they don't go too big too fast with them. I have no interest in seeing love declarations or a True Love's Kiss at this point. I am all in favor of some dates, hot kisses and likely more, and fights about trust and differences of opinion. I am all in favor of letting the couple breathe for a while before they get hit by the true love stick.

[Hookian]

I got excited that that spoiler meant Regina and Robin is done and dusted now Marian is back (as it should be), then read this on Twitter:

 

$20 says it includes the words "soul" and "mates." Barf. 

 

As it should be? How so? 

 

I can give two shits about Marian. I don't know her, I don't care for her. She's irrelevant, she's just a face with a name from a fairy tale. That's it, on this show, she's a nobody.

 

Now Regina on the other hand has had 3 seasons of development and trials. I care leagues more about Regina and her happiness then I could ever care for Marian. 

 

And no OQ isn't done, not by a long shot. :)

 

LOL, once again it's only about Regina. Who gives a flip about Robin, Marian and Roland, right? It's all about what Regina gets out of it. I'm curious to see if they just drop OQ entirely. Depends on how badly they want to appease the Evil Regals.

 

 

Considering most ER's want OQ I highly doubt they will drop it. Doesn't sound like they are. 

 

Adam and Eddy said the same "its not a triangle" BS about Hook/Emma/Neal last season and low and behold what happened there.

 

If you don't think that Marian is anything more than an obstacle to OQ, which she is just by the way she was brought back in the finale thenI would highly suggest refreshing yourself via more TV.

 

As or what they get out of it. Robin fell in love with Regina, and that's not gonna go away just bc Marian is back. Yes he said that he would walk through hell for her but he moved on. He took every step from grieving to acceptance to finally moving on. He's changed.

 

As far as what Roland gets out of it, well he probably likes Regina more than his own mother. Mainly because he actually knows Regina, whereas he doesn't know Marian. 

 

Anyway it's not like this really matters right? Marian's gonna die because she was meant to die. I'm also willing to bet that Regina's not the one that killed her in the original timeline but only time will tell about that. 

Edited August 29, 2014 by Hookian

[FabulousTater]

Now Regina on the other hand has had 3 seasons of development and trials. I care leagues more about Regina and her happiness then I could ever care for Marian.

And no OQ isn't done, not by a long shot. :)

[...]

If you don't think that Marian is anything more than an obstacle to OQ, which she is just by the way she was brought back in the finale thenI would highly suggest refreshing yourself via more TV.

I see your OutlawQueen and wave my flag of "Team Marian Forever" up on high!

I will sing you the song of my people!

 

(Meh, I really don't care, but your fervor for OQ ignited a desire within me to be contrary. Though I'm more in favor of Team Marian, I'm actually "Team Whoever Gets Woegina Off My Screen")

[Hookian]

I see your OutlawQueen and wave my flag of "Team Marian Forever" up on high!

I will sing you the song of my people!

 

(Meh, I really don't care, but your fervor for OQ ignited a desire within me to be contrary. Though I'm more in favor of Team Marian, I'm actually "Team Whoever Gets Woegina Off My Screen")

Team Marian really? Do you even know anything really about her to be on her team? Or is it just because she was a victim of Regina that gives her your blessing?

 

Besides any CS shipper will know exactly that what Adam and Eddy said is basically a rehash of what they said last season.

 

Saying Emma/Neal/Hook was not a triangle. It's about the characters journeys. You know this is the same crap but different couple, pretty much.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Hookian

[stealinghome]

Team Marian really? Do you even know anything really about her to be on her team?

To be fair, I know she's not a mass murderer/attempted mass murderer/rapist/destroyer of an entire world and civilization/enslaver of said world's population! Which is more than I can say for Regina. (Also I know that Robin Hood/Maid Marian was one of my all-time OTPs growing up...breaking them up is just wrong. For all its corniness, 'Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves' remains one of my all-time guilty pleasure movies!)

 

I think just about everyone agrees that the tea leaves are pointing toward Outlaw Queen being endgame--what (few) spoilers we've gotten on them so far seem to confirm this. I, personally, just mourn this fact because they have no chemistry, Sean Maguire's Robin Hood is blander than bland, the Regina character deserved a way more epic falling in love story than the one she got in 3B, and it kind of totally ruins Robin as a character (not to mention the Outlaw Queen romance) to make him get with the woman who in the original timeline murdered his wife. (I mean, seriously, that makes him worse than Belle. Blergh.)

 

As far as what Roland gets out of it, well he probably likes Regina more than his own mother. Mainly because he actually knows Regina, whereas he doesn't know Marian.

Roland has known Regina for a day. I really don't think he "knows" Regina in any meaningful sense of the term--both Regina and Marian are virtual strangers to him.

Edited August 29, 2014 by stealinghome

[FabulousTater]

Team Marian really? Do you even know anything really about her to be on her team? Or is it just because she was a victim of Regina that gives her your blessing?

Oh, if we must. I know Marian is not a narcissistic sociopath that has murdered her husband, her lover, her father, a stranger who wouldn't stay in town with her, an entire village, and hasn't emotionally abused a child. Team Marian for the WIN! 

[Dianthus]

It occurs to me that if Rumple ends up controlling Hook via his hand, Hook wouldn't even need to find the real dagger in Rumple's possession to figure that something's up. Belle may not like him (Hook) much, but she wouldn't be okay with Rumple jerking someone else around like that.

[Jean]

Lana herself said she was told at the beginning of S3 that Woegina killed Marian. I hope Marian sticks around for a long time and the triangle goes on forever. As long as Robin and Marian keep Woegina contained and away from contaminating other characters, they can stay forever. Someone needs to take one for the team now that Snow is sitting on a couch offscreen with Baby Snowflake.

Somehow I don't think the Rumple and Hook mini spat is going to be a big deal. It's probably just for Ep. 4 which I think is Hook's episode not Rumple's. I'm actually really looking forward to Rumple, Hook, and Will together. The snark is going to be out of control.

Is Ep. 6 going to be Belle's centric or Rumbelle? Cause otherwise it looks like Rumple won't have one for awhile. And there's still an Elsa centric to do.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Jean

[retrograde]

As it should be? How so? 

It should be because Regina was going to murder his wife and the mother of his child and it is batshit that anyone would take someone back after learning that.

 

If you don't think that Marian is anything more than an obstacle to OQ, which she is just by the way she was brought back in the finale thenI would highly suggest refreshing yourself via more TV.

Oh, I recognise that she's just a plot device to the writers. But in the rational sane real world, I don't think that "Hey Robin, here's your wife back from the dead by the way your new girlfriend originally murdered her" should end with him saying "That's okay -- we're soul mates so I forgive her." And thus: #TeamMarian4Life

[Rumsy4]

At this point, I'll be happy if Marian takes Roland, and separates herself frpm the situation. Because I don't even like this Robin Hood anymore. However, I think we all know she is toast by the end of the season. Adam makes me so mad when he says anything about not doing triangles. He does really awful ones.

[Hookian]

Roland has known Regina for a day. I really don't think he "knows" Regina in any meaningful sense of the term--both Regina and Marian are virtual strangers to him.

A day? ...Are you forgetting the missing year in the EF which A and E said we will be getting flashbacks to this season? For what storyline I wonder would we go back to the missing year. Roland's known Regina much longer than a day.

 

What storyline from the missing year holds any relevance to what is happening in the present? The only two I can think of are OQ and finding out whom Hook gave the JR too. 

 

I'm willing to bet that just like with Snowing in S1 we're gonna see Robin/Regina having moments in the flashbacks to the missing year during this "not a triangle" and where that comes in, Roland comes in as well.

At this point, I'll be happy if Marian takes Roland, and separates herself frpm the situation. Because I don't even like this Robin Hood anymore. However, I think we all know she is toast by the end of the season. Adam makes me so mad when he says anything about not doing triangles. He does really awful ones.

 

The season? I'll be shocked if Marian makes it past this half of the season. Since the season is being split into two half seasons. 

 

It should be because Regina was going to murder his wife and the mother of his child and it is batshit that anyone would take someone back after learning that.

 

But Regina's not like that person anymore. I despised Regina in S1 and S2 "The Evil Queen" I all but gave up on Regina but it wasn't until S3 that I really started to really love her character. I think 3B was just the development Regina needed. True she may think that she needs to do bad things this time to get what she wants but in the end I don't believe she'll go through with them.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Hookian

[KAOS Agent]

Whenever Adam & Eddy talk about how excited they are about a storyline I'm immediately wary. That this story involves Regina tells me that I'm going to need to stock up on alcohol in order to make it through this arc. I have zero interest in pixie dust mandated love or the triangle that it has spawned. That two thirds of this triangle are not main characters makes it even worse. About the only way I'd find this story interesting is if they have the balls to kill off Robin.

 

I'm also sad that Jennifer Morrison has said Emma is going to work hard to keep Regina in a good place, most likely all while Regina is doing her best to run Emma down and denigrate her. Screw that. What Emma needs to do is tell her, "Life's a bitch and then you die. Suck it up, Regina." If Regina can't deal with it, they all just need to say the hell with you and be done with it.

Edited August 29, 2014 by KAOS Agent

[FabulousTater]

True she may think that she needs to do bad things this time to get what she wants but in the end I don't believe she'll go through with them.

You do know that just planning to murder someone in cold-blood because they might take your 5 day old boyfriend from you is crazy, right. That's not the workings of a sane mind. It's also a crime -- conspiracy to commit murder -- even if you don't do it. And by the looks of the spoilers thus far, it looks like Regina hires Sydney to do just that. Even if she stops it, the planning of it at all makes her crazy!

 

Regardless of how that pans out, just because Regina hasn't killed someone in a year doesn't make her a "changed person". According to the writers, she's not schizophrenic, psychologically impaired, or otherwise mentally ill. She killed, raped, and abused people while apparently in her "right mind". If anything that's more chilling and no one -- no one -- in their right mind (let alone with a child) should be getting romantically involved with a person that is literally and metaphorically heartless and utterly remorseless. 

Edited August 29, 2014 by FabulousTater

[FurryFury]

I think 3B was just the development Regina needed. 

 

You mean sweeping her past sins under the carpet and becoming the most special snowflake ever by casting white magic without a heart, and having a true love's kiss with the son she abused and almost killed in the past? Yeah.. sorry, but this isn't the development she needed. I'd argue she had to acknowledge her mistakes and get regrets, first of all, and she hadn't, still. No true redemption is possible without regret. Love, both romantic and familiar, is a strong motivator, but the person has to understand what and why they've done wrong in the first place, and I've seen no indication Regina has.

 

Also, everything with her wasn't done in a believable way. Too much, too soon.

[stealinghome]

A day? ...Are you forgetting the missing year in the EF which A and E said we will be getting flashbacks to this season? For what storyline I wonder would we go back to the missing year. Roland's known Regina much longer than a day

Except we have no evidence indicating that Regina interacted with Roland at *all* during the Missing Year after she saved him from the flying monkey. And given that her relationship with Robin during the Missing Year seems to have been rather frosty (which I agree is a total missed opportunity--Outlaw Queen would've made 50% more sense if they'd gotten together during the Missing Year), I highly doubt Regina was buddying up to his kid in the same timeframe. (Actually, I would think it was more than a little weird if she'd done so.) So given the evidence at hand...yes, Roland has for all intents and purposes known Regina for a day. Two, I guess, if you count the day she saved him from the flying monkey and her ice cream date with Robin in the finale. Edited August 29, 2014 by stealinghome

[Serena]

It doesn't really matter if Regina and Roland were actually BFFs or not. She murdered his freaking mother. His mother is now back, and any parent worth their salt would now decide that it's time for the kid to stop hanging out with his mom's murderer. Obviously, Robin is dumber than rocks and won't be that parent. Luckily, now Roland has a parent who doesn't think mass murder is "bold and audacious" but not actually evil. Hey, maybe Roland will miss Regina for a week! But then he'll get over it, and when he's grown, he'll know why, and he'll be like "Whoa, dodged a bullet. Thanks, mom!"

[RadioGirl27]

I think we need some Team Marian t-shirts before the season starts!!!

So they are casting for Belle's mom. This rules out the Snow Queen and Maleficent. I'm going to guess Ep. 6 is when the crap hits the fan with the dagger thing.

Thank God! Because the "everybody is related" is starting to be absurd. I just hope that, once Belle discovers about the dagger, she is mad at Rumple for longer than one episode.

[ShadowFacts]

 

Hey, maybe Roland will miss Regina for a week! But then he'll get over it, and when he's grown, he'll know why, and he'll be like "Whoa, dodged a bullet. Thanks, mom!"

 

I highly doubt Regina was buddying up to his kid in the same timeframe.

 

In addition, Regina does not exude human warmth.  She's a cold, egocentric brooder, which has not changed one iota in any timeframe.  Kids don't like her, they want to get away from her (Hansel and Gretel, Owen, Henry) and going out for ice cream will make a small impression on a small kid, but that's it.  She doesn't have the touch with kids, or adults with a brain.  And I, too, am concerned that Emma's brain is about to go on vacation if she thinks she needs to help Regina be good.  It would seem Emma is headed for the same character weakening that Snow has undergone and I hate that.

[Curio]

Not to be that poster, but I'm guessing some of the Regina talk that's been going on might be better off in the Regina thread. :)

 

So if Belle's mom is going to be “a strong-willed, spirited woman who carries herself with grace and aplomb," I'm pretty sure I'll like her way more than her daughter. I feel like the writers have tried really hard to make Belle like that, but instead she just comes across on screen as stubborn, naive, and unintelligent - despite her love for reading books.

[YaddaYadda]

Being book smart doesn't make you smart in other areas.  In the Belle centric when she was with Mulan (can't remember the name of the episode), she used a book to go after the monster thingy (can't remember that name either, got to love Friday mornings!)  So my conclusion is that if it's not in a book, then Belle can't really function.  Plus she seems to have lead a very sheltered life. 

 

I also think that much like magic, she has become some sort of a crutch for Rumple. 

 

I'm curious as to why they're introducing her mother, but I don't think I can deal well with a Belle centric episode.

[NotBothered]

I'm curious as to why they're introducing her mother, but I don't think I can deal well with a Belle centric episode.

God I hope it's not a pregnancy.  The obvious "introduce the mother" plot connections are 1) pregnancy, 2) marital discord, or 3) some combination of the two.  I'm hoping that it's just the dagger drama playing out. 

 

I wonder what this "native European" bit is about.  Is that because they have a specific actress in mind, or is she supposed to be connected to another character?  The only European accents we have on the show right now are Hook and Rumple, correct?  If Rumple turns out have known Belle's mother, I will vomit.

[YaddaYadda]

I don't think the word pregnancy for Belle should be put out in the universe. 

 

European accents also have Robin, Dr. Whale, Will Scarlett when he starts.  I get the impression there's more though.

[RadioGirl27]

I just had the terrible thought that Belle is somehow related to Hook, and now I just wanna cry :-(

[Rumsy4]

Well maybe Rumple did know Belle's mother (non-carnally, let's hope), and she got the better of him somehow. That's why he wanted Belle as his servant/slave--in revenge or something. An echo of Cora/Zelena. I don't think the accents mean anything, tbh. Probably the actress they really really want is European.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Rumsy4

[FurryFury]

So if Belle's mom is going to be “a strong-willed, spirited woman who carries herself with grace and aplomb," I'm pretty sure I'll like her way more than her daughter. I feel like the writers have tried really hard to make Belle like that, but instead she just comes across on screen as stubborn, naive, and unintelligent - despite her love for reading books.

 

Belle comes across as delusional, and so do the writers. I'm sure they think Belle's all spunk and willfulness, and it's quite likely her mother's going to be very far from the words they say about her.

 

However, at least she's probably not a villain or a major character, thank god.

[Amerilla]

I just had the terrible thought that Belle is somehow related to Hook, and now I just wanna cry :-(

 

I don't think you have to worry about that. Even if they went that way - and I don't know why they would - considering they're separated in age by a couple of centuries, it'd be a pretty distant relation. And it would just make Hook look like even more of an asshat for beating and shooting his great-great-great-great-great-great-however-many-great-whatever.

 

I wonder what this "native European" bit is about.  Is that because they have a specific actress in mind, or is she supposed to be connected to another character?  The only European accents we have on the show right now are Hook and Rumple, correct?  If Rumple turns out have known Belle's mother, I will vomit.

 

 

Native accents: Hook, Rumple, and Hood.

 

"Native European" doesn't necessarily mean British Isles - they could be looking for someone with a French accent, for example. I just take it as they want someone who sounds slightly "foreign" like Maurice and Belle (Eric Keenleyside and EdR are both Aussies, obviously, but for a surprising number of Americans, an Australian or Kiwi accent is somewhat interchangeable with a British accent.)

 

That they're casting and haven't just extended an offer to some relatively big name indicates that this isn't a marquee role, so the fairyback could be relatively minor.

 

I don't think the word pregnancy for Belle should be put out in the universe.

 

It's got to happen at some point. They just killed his kid and married him off to someone already foreshadowed as "fertile," (ew, Pan). Given the level of creativity of this writing crew, Rumbelle might as well already be decorating a nursery.

  

 

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[Hookian]

Except we have no evidence indicating that Regina interacted with Roland at *all* during the Missing Year after she saved him from the flying monkey. And given that her relationship with Robin during the Missing Year seems to have been rather frosty (which I agree is a total missed opportunity--Outlaw Queen would've made 50% more sense if they'd gotten together during the Missing Year), I highly doubt Regina was buddying up to his kid in the same timeframe. (Actually, I would think it was more than a little weird if she'd done so.) So given the evidence at hand...yes, Roland has for all intents and purposes known Regina for a day. Two, I guess, if you count the day she saved him from the flying monkey and her ice cream date with Robin in the finale.

You honestly don't think that sometime during the missing year which we're gonna see back in flashbacks will not answer this question? As to whether or not Regina spent more time then shown with Roland and Robin? You do know which show you're watching right?

 

So it's likely you're evidence will be proven wrong when we do get flashbacks towards the missing year this year and it shows exactly what I'm saying. More Regina/Robin/Roland development to parallel with the present situation.

 

It doesn't really matter if Regina and Roland were actually BFFs or not. She murdered his freaking mother. His mother is now back, and any parent worth their salt would now decide that it's time for the kid to stop hanging out with his mom's murderer. Obviously, Robin is dumber than rocks and won't be that parent. Luckily, now Roland has a parent who doesn't think mass murder is "bold and audacious" but not actually evil. Hey, maybe Roland will miss Regina for a week! But then he'll get over it, and when he's grown, he'll know why, and he'll be like "Whoa, dodged a bullet. Thanks, mom!"

Boy I get the feeling you're not gonna like this part of S4 at all are you? How do you even know she murdered his mother in the end?

 

Remember that the writers said that we'll find out just how Marian died in the past. How do you know she did not escape herself that night and got killed by some other force cough* Snow Queen* cough while trying to find her way back to her family? Before you say because she recognizes Regina as her killer, how many times have we known this show to play the old "Cora'd" card?

 

Surely if it was as black and white as you're claiming, why do we need a flashback? Oh because like with everything on this show, nothing is what it appears to be on the surface.

 

Anyways it's not like Roland even knows his own mother, and as a 4-5 year old the only thing he's gonna know is the woman whom protected him from flying monkeys is no longer with them and that may confuse him. He may feel a bond towards Regina that he doesn't have towards Marian and that's because he doesn't know Marian. 

Edited August 29, 2014 by Hookian

[FurryFury]

You honestly don't think that sometime during the missing year which we're gonna see back in flashbacks will not answer this question?

 

I'm not the OP, but, well, there are lots of things I expected to see in the missing year flashbacks and didn't. So personally, I don't think we're 100% sure to see something relevant in them in s4, too. But then, it's Regina, the writers' favorite toy. We'll probably know what food she had for breakfast.

 

How do you even know she murdered his mother in the end?

 

Er... because it's clear both from the show and the interviews? Didn't Parrilla herself said that?

 

How do you know she did not escape herself that night and got killed by some other force cough* Snow Queen* cough while trying to find her way back to her family?

 

Wow, that would truly be the jump the shark moment of this show.

 

Anyways it's not like Roland even knows his own mother, and as a 4-5 year old the only thing he's gonna know is the woman whom protected him from flying monkeys is no longer with them and that may confuse him. He may feel a bond towards Regina that he doesn't have towards Marian and that's because he doesn't know Marian.

 

I'm not sure how helping out that one time can make him love Regina more than the woman who bore him, raised him and whom he instantly recognized despite being really small when he had seen her last time.

Edited August 29, 2014 by FurryFury

[Hookian]

I'm not the OP, but, well, there are lots of things I expected to see in the missing year flashbacks and didn't. So personally, I don't think we're 100% sure to see something relevant in them in s4, too. But then, it's Regina, the writers' favorite toy. We'll probably know what food she had for breakfast.

 

Er... because it's clear both from the show and the interviews? Didn't Parrilla herself said that?

 

Wow, that would truly be the jump the shark moment of this show.

 

I'm not sure how helping out that one time can make him love Regina more than the woman who bore him, raised him and whom he instantly recognized despite being really small when he had seen her last time.

The writers already said we will see flashbacks towards the missing year. All the plotlines from the missing year are mostly all resolved. The only one that holds a connection to something happening in the present is the Regina/Robin situation. 

 

Parrilla only knows what she's given, it's not been confirmed that Regina is the person whom killed her. If we're gonna see via flashback how Marian died then that to me says Regina is not the one that killed Marian. Why would they show a flashback to something we already know? On this show flashbacks are used to flesh out things and connect them back to the present.

 

I don't think it would be a jump the shark moment. The Snow Queen is the villain of 4A, why not tie her back to the past as being the real person that killed Maid Marian?

 

Your final statement has been disproven by Adam. Adam said Roland does not know Marian nor does he recognize her. The only reason he knew that was his mama was because Robin said her name.  If you do not believe me watch the scene again, plus Adam confirmed it. Marian also did not raise Roland, she died soon after birthing him. Robin is the one responsible for solely raising Roland.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Hookian

[FurryFury]

The writers already said we will see flashbacks towards the missing year.

 

I know they did, but this could be used for anything, like introducing new characters or just as a filler (which happens all too often with EF stories).

 

The only one that holds a connection to something happening in the present is the Regina/Robin situation.

 

We haven't even seen the premiere. We don't know what happens there exactly. So no, I can't be sure whatever's shown will pertain to the new triangle of doom (yeah, I don't believe it won't be a triangle).

 

Parrilla only knows what she's given, it's not been confirmed that Regina is the person whom killed her.

 

So they said it to her just for the kicks? Huh.

 

On this show flashbacks are used to flesh out things and connect them back to the present.

 

So Tiny's flashback was relevant to the present how? Or Grumpy and Nova? Or 111th story of how Regina almost killed Snow? The writers may try to superficially connect them, I give you that, but often their real function is window dressing. Truthfully, the flashbacks are no longer relevant. There's a reason even Lost stopped doing them after s3, and that was years ago, when they weren't so overdone on TV.

 

I don't think it would be a jump the shark moment.

 

Regina's already a Draco in leather pants not only for the fandom, but for the writers as well. Depriving her of one of the crimes she committed - which was a major reveal in s3 season finale - would only further prove it, and look like a really cheap way out of a complex situation.

 

The Snow Queen is the villain of 4A, why not tie her back to the past as being the real person that killed Maid Marian. She disguised herself as Regina and then killed Marian.

 

Oh god, please no. The worst thing I wouldn't put even that behind A&E.

No matter my love for Emma and some other characters, if they do something like that, I'm out forever. Well, maybe I'll continue to hatewatch and snark, but that's it.

 

Adam said Roland does not know Marian nor does he recognize her.

 

So you believe him when he says that, but you don't believe them when they say Regina killed Marian in the original timeline? Interesting.

[Hookian]

 

So they said it to her just for the kicks? Huh.

 

 

Oh god, please no. The worst thing I wouldn't put even that behind A&E.

No matter my love for Emma and some other characters, if they do something like that, I'm out forever. Well, maybe I'll continue to hatewatch and snark, but that's it.

 

So you believe him when he says that, but you don't believe them when they say Regina killed Marian in the original timeline? Interesting.

How many times have A-E used the "Cora'd" card and yet the audience still falls for it? I could see it happening again easily. Would not put it past them.

 

Well because there is no proof to say Regina did or did not kill Marian. Heck if they want to use the "Cora'd" card they could say Regina did kill Marian but it wasn't the real Regina. It was someone disguised as her. There is proof that Roland does not know nor recognize his mother and Adam confirmed it on twitter.

 

You know how Cora was disguised as Blue Fairy or Zelena was disguised as Ariel? Who's to say that the Snow Queen doesn't know that same old trick?

Edited August 29, 2014 by Hookian

[Crimson Belle]

Honestly, even if they somehow make it so Marian "escaped" Regina to be killed by someone else, it's clear Regina intended to murder her and everyone else in the prison, murdered hundreds/likely thousands of others for less and was that world's equivalent of Hitler crossed with Charles Manson.  She was the evilest evil that ever eviled, and it's clear that Marian and anyone and everyone else meant nothing to her.  She intended to figuratively pull the trigger on Marian.  It doesn't make her less a criminal if somebody else's bullet actually killed her, though we certainly have no evidence that Regina didn't kill her in the original timeline.

[retrograde]

I could be down with a Belle pregnancy if it turns out bearing the child of the Dark One means some sort of Rosemary's Baby or Nightmare on Elm Street 5 situation. 

[NotBothered]

How many times have A-E used the "Cora'd" card and yet the audience still falls for it? I could see it happening again easily. Would not put it past them.

It's worth noting that it is generally revealed within the same episode when someone has been Cora'd.  If not to the characters, than at least to the audience.  I'm sure someone will point out an episode when this wasn't the case (I can't believe I forgot Roboin had an accent...), but I think if they do go this route they've screwed up in a MAJOR way by letting a good chunk of the audience (if not most of the audience) spend the summer thinking that Regina killed Marian in the original timeline.

 

That being said...I don't think they're going this route.

 

 

I could be down with a Belle pregnancy if it turns out bearing the child of the Dark One means some sort of Rosemary's Baby or Nightmare on Elm Street 5 situation.

I would watch that show. 

Edited August 29, 2014 by NotBothered

[Hookian]

It's worth noting that it is generally revealed within the same episode when someone has been Cora'd.  If not to the characters, than at least to the audience.  I'm sure someone will point out an episode when this wasn't the case (I can't believe I forgot Roboin had an accent...), but I think if they do go this route they've screwed up in a MAJOR way by letting a good chunk of the audience (if not most of the audience) spend the summer thinking that Regina killed Marian in the original timeline.

 

That being said...I don't think they're going this route.

 

I would watch that show. 

Well actually most people in the GA believe there's more to the story then what was stated. Which I agree with, on this show nothing is ever as it seems on the surface. This is no less an echo of that sentiment.

[YaddaYadda]

It would be a bit of a let down if there wasn't more to the story than meets the eye.  The writers are not really that good with following through.  I don't want them to take the easy way out of this.

[myril]

Has anyone any new spoilers? (After all we're in the spoiler  part here and not in speculation and character discussion)

[Jean]

 

It's got to happen at some point. They just killed his kid and married him off to someone already foreshadowed as "fertile," (ew, Pan). Given the level of creativity of this writing crew, Rumbelle might as well already be decorating a nursery.

 

Yes it'll happen when, as Robert said it's the "end of Rumple or the show." But I'm pretty positive pregnant Belle is in the cards too.  I've noticed EdR has a sly way of letting out spoilers as speculation that most people don't really notice. She posted a picture of a wedding dress and said at the beginning of S3 that it would be pretty cool for Rumbelle to get married and here we are. Just a couple of weeks ago she said the same thing about Rumbelle having a kid no?

 

 

And it would just make Hook look like even more of an asshat for beating and shooting his great-great-great-great-great-great-however-many-great-whatever.

 

No no it wouldn't. It would only make him fit in the Stiltskin family all that much more! Now that family has a history of going after family blood. Maybe then Belle will finally proclaim that he has a good heart like his great whatever in law.

[RadioGirl27]

"Native European" doesn't necessarily mean British Isles - they could be looking for someone with a French accent, for example. I just take it as they want someone who sounds slightly "foreign" like Maurice and Belle (Eric Keenleyside and EdR are both Aussies, obviously, but for a surprising number of Americans, an Australian or Kiwi accent is somewhat interchangeable with a British accent.)

As a "native European" myself I find that concept of a "native European accent" quite absurd. I mean, I suppose they now that there are 50 countries in Europe (many of them with more than just one official language). So really, that can mean so many things. But I guess they are looking for a British or a French accent.

[Amerilla]

Yes it'll happen when, as Robert said it's the "end of Rumple or the show." But I'm pretty positive pregnant Belle is in the cards too.

 

Given the glacial pace of the story these days, if Belle got pregnant tomorrow she could conceivably (ha-ha) still be pregnant in the finale, two or three seasons down the road. Minus the largely-off-screen Missing Year, we've only advanced a couple of months since the start of Season Two. 

[kili]

If we're gonna see via flashback how Marian died then that to me says Regina is not the one that killed Marian.

 

I hope they don't flashback to show how Marian was really killed. That's confusing story-telling. That's a flashback to an alternate universe which is no longer the path we are on. I think it would be quite confusing to regular viewers (we who dissect the show would probably figure it out) to show Marian being killed when she is so obviously alive now. Time travel stories cause enough muddles in the minds of casual viewers as it is.

 

If we see flashbacks to the missing year, they should be flashing back to the universe we are in. So, whatever tale Robin believes about what happened to Marian should be consistent with her being captured by Regina, sentenced to death and never being seen again. He may still not know that is what happened to her (she disappeared during one of his jobs), but if he starts spouting off about her being frozen by the Ice Queen, that's going to require some serious explanations to the average viewer. If they want to tell us how Marian really died, I suggest flashbacks are not the way - just do what they usually do and have Regina conveniently have a spell that will reveal all. That said, I'd almost rather have Robin find Marian in the shower (TM Dallas) than have some eye-rolling story about how Marian escaped death in Regina's dungeons only to be murdered by the Snow Queen as she ran from the castle.

 

I'm not sure I'm all that interested in flashbacks to the missing year and they better not stink of the smell of retcon. If you can barely be bothered to give viewers the information about the missing year when it would reveal valuable information related to the plot when the characters were suffering from the memory spell, why is it important to tell us about it now? Answering open plot issues like "Who has the Jolly Roger" might be worth it, but to try to whitewash Woegina with respect to Marion - no thanks. The woman who murdered a village and spent the night executing Snow was fully intending on killing one of Snow's accomplices. Even if Marian did escape on  her own that night, it doesn't change what Regina was intending on doing.

[Rumsy4]

When did A&E say that there will be a flasback to show how Marian really died in the Original Timeline? Am I missing a spoiler? All I remember is them saying we'll find out why Robin thinks it's his fault how Marian died.

Besides, if they show Marian escaping Regina's dingeon on her own, only to get killed by someone else, how does that impact what Emma did? It would seem like the writers were jumping through hoops to show that Emma saving someone's life was wrong. At the end of the day, there's no reason to believe that Regina would have just let Marian go free of her own will.

[Hookian]

When did A&E say that there will be a flasback to show how Marian really died in the Original Timeline? Am I missing a spoiler? All I remember is them saying we'll find out why Robin thinks it's his fault how Marian died.

Besides, if they show Marian escaping Regina's dingeon on her own, only to get killed by someone else, how does that impact what Emma did? It would seem like the writers were jumping through hoops to show that Emma saving someone's life was wrong. At the end of the day, there's no reason to believe that Regina would have just let Marian go free of her own will.

n Season 3, Robin Hood talks about how he lost his wife — not from the illness but a whole separate thing. So something clearly happened that we’ll explore next season, where they were separated and she died — and he certainly didn’t think the Evil Queen killed her. There’s a story there to be told.

 

 

Yeah so this to me says we're gonna find out how Marian died in the past. Also why Robin thinks it was his fault, there's a story there to be told. So more flashbacks.

 

How does it impact Emma? It still doesn't take away her good deed, she saved Marian from death in the past. However that doesn't mean that Emma will save Marian from death in the present.

 

The timeline has to correct itself. A and E even said as such in the commentary for "There's No Place Like Home", everything that happened in Snow Falls still happened only in a different way. So Marian dying in the past, does not mean she's escaped her fate. It just means she has prolonged it.

 

Being killed by whatever killed her in the past also is a very cruel twist of irony as well. Which is why I believe it was The Snow Queen whom killed her. Seeing as she's the main villain of 4A and they have split up this season into two half seasons. Like what they did with Zelena basically being responsible for killing Neal, they have to do something that showsThe Snow Queen's a huge threat to the gang.

 

I'll be shocked if Marian survives past 4A.

Edited August 29, 2014 by Hookian

[Rumsy4]

To me, it just seems like there is a gap between Marian's disappearance, where Robin thought she was dead due to his fault, and her turning up at Granny's village where she was captured by the Evil Queen. So, whatever happened between those two incidents would be the same in both timelines (and explained in a flash back), and Robin's memory would still be the same.

 

Marian hid her identity after being captured by Regina in order to protect her family. The only point of divergence is what happened to Marian after that point. She was either executed by Regina (in the original), or she was saved by Emma (in the Alt). It's hard to believe there was a third alternative where she escaped from the dungeon and was killed by other means. If that was the case, Robin's memories would be altered now, and they will have to show his altered memories in addition to flashbacks to the original timeline. As kili says, that it would get too confusing. 

[Mitch]

Concerning jumping the shark...Oh as this site itself practically says, this show not only jumps the shark, it swims back, jumps it again, and again, and again, and revels in it. Which is fine, since it lost the adultness and darkness and depth of S1..I am going along with the WTF moments especially without American Horror Story to watch.

 

I have no dout we will find out that in the past time line Regina did not kill the so far dull Marion. Hell, I think Marion is long dead and this is the SQ or Maleficnet in drag...actually I HOPE its Maleficent in Coramode and I hope all she does is screw with Regina all the time acting like a saint, like Regina in Season1 (where she was much more fun as the Martha Stewart from Hell who acts like her crap doesnt smell.)  "I myself felt violated when I found vodoo dolls that looked like me in the Mayor's Office...oh poor dear, I guess Evil in made not born and it also never dies."

[Hookian]

To me, it just seems like there is a gap between Marian's disappearance, where Robin thought she was dead due to his fault, and her turning up at Granny's village where she was captured by the Evil Queen. So, whatever happened between those two incidents would be the same in both timelines (and explained in a flash back), and Robin's memory would still be the same.

 

Marian hid her identity after being captured by Regina in order to protect her family. The only point of divergence is what happened to Marian after that point. She was either executed by Regina (in the original), or she was saved by Emma (in the Alt). It's hard to believe there was a third alternative where she escaped from the dungeon and was killed by other means. If that was the case, Robin's memories would be altered now, and they will have to show his altered memories in addition to flashbacks to the original timeline. As kili says, that it would get too confusing. 

Again we do not know that Marian was executed by the Queen, that's your assumption. For all we know Marian could have very well found a means to escape that night and managed to die some other way. I'm not saying that Regina let her go but perhaps something happened that night and somehow Marian escaped by herself and she was killed by something completely different. It's not like Regina would have gave a damn back then if Marian escaped. She was so gut set against Snow, that's all she cared about. One peasant girl escaping would not distract her from her goal.

 

That does not alter the timeline at all. You're confusing things when they don't have to be.

 

The timeline IMO is that Marian was held in the cell, sometime during the night she found a means to escape on her own. While she was fleeing from the castle something/someone killed her. In the alternate timeline Emma is the one that allowed them to escape, Marian did not have to escape on her own. Emma did it for them.