Serena September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 She doesn't need to take her out with the dagger. She could say "Dark One, I command thee to stay still and do nothing while I chant this suddenly discovered spell while doing the macarena, a ritual that that will destroy the DO forever." 5 Link to comment
Souris September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 (edited) But how would Emma know that? Right now, the only way to take out the Dark One is with the dagger, unless they have some Dreamshade handy. That's the knowledge Emma is working with. Jeez, Louise. That's ELEVEN guest stars in 10 eps: Merida, Arthur, Merlin, Gwen, Lancelot, Ruby, Mulan, Percival, his daughter & now I'm assuming Nimue, plus Lily. They've shown they can't balance guest stars plus the regulars. And instead of cutting back on the guest stars, they're adding even MORE. Everybody but Regina & Emma are gonna get maybe one line an ep. I wonder if they'll put Mulan with Lily. Or maybe Red. I don't want them to break up Aurora and Philip, since they had a TLK. That would devalue TLK. Edited September 15, 2015 by Souris Link to comment
YaddaYadda September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 Why would Emma think Regina wants to take her out and become the Dark One because it makes zero sense for Regina to wanna become the Dark One. Even when she had the opportunity to take out Zelena and write her and the baby out of existence, she didn't. So Regina has the man she wanted, has Henry, Roland. She told Henry that she was at her happiest when it was the 4 of them and all of a sudden she'll wanna kill Emma and become the Dark One? How does that make any sense? And Regina doesn't have to take Emma out to eliminate the danger, she can just command her not to use magic for instance. If Emma isn't allowed to use magic, then she's basically powerless. And yes, it can backfire if Emma can't defend herself against a magical foe. 2 Link to comment
Souris September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 How does that make any sense? And Regina doesn't have to take Emma out to eliminate the danger, she can just command her not to use magic for instance. If Emma isn't allowed to use magic, then she's basically powerless. And yes, it can backfire if Emma can't defend herself against a magical foe. And anybody could command Emma not to use magic. It doesn't have to be Regina. There's no truly compelling reason for Regina to be the one with the dagger, except for the writers' obsession with Regina and forcing the Emma/Regina "friendship." Link to comment
maryle September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 I'm with all the Emma fans thinking its not about SQ or CS it is about the repetitive of make a story who should focus on Emma and all her loved ones more about how awesome and savior material Regina is. For me, it is clearly a disservice to both character (Emma and Regina) and potentially can make the fandom more divide that it is already is. I do think, Jen, Lana A and E knows it, so I'm almost more entertain by watching how they will promote the show than by the show itself. They are so wanting to keep their cake (Savior Regina, CS, Savior Emma,) and eat it too. Already, we saw conflicting narrative by all them, but can they keep the vagueness enough in the show and in promotion? So, everyone is enough happy (Emma'fans and ER) to not jeopardize more the show future? That, the big question that they have on their minds, I'm sure. I'm happy for Mulan return and sleepy beauty but so much character, so little screen time!!! And still nothing on Hook'story .... Link to comment
HoodlumSheep September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 (edited) Did they specify if Mulan is back for 5a? Maybe at the tail end? Or can I hope it just means she'll be back at some point in season 5? Like in 5b? It makes me so frustrated that they throw in all these characters Emma could be great friends with, and yet they continue pushing Emma/Regina friendship. I'd rather her be friends with Lily again, because she's done far less damage in my opinion. **whoops, just saw the spoiler where she'll be in both. Maybe we'll get lucky and she won't show up until the penultimate episode or something. Edited September 15, 2015 by HoodlumSheep Link to comment
YaddaYadda September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 I think they're just preparing 5x10 at this point and setting up the 100th episode. I'm sure we will see more casting announcements. Link to comment
Selina K September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 just saw the spoiler where she'll be in both. Maybe we'll get lucky and she won't show up until the penultimate episode or something. This is my hope! Also, since they have indicated they have something in mind for Mulan, maybe 5B will be somewhat developed and not quite as rushed or seemingly illogical as the QoD and Op Mongoose. Link to comment
sharky September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 (edited) I agree, Yadda. Considering we're on 5x07 in terms of titles and getting some announcements about characters coming back, I wonder if episode 100 is setting up something for the second half that may be a returning to their roots kind of thing. Or maybe even the Camelot visit makes people realize they want to be back in fairy tale land instead of Storybrooke or something. It would be nice if they would at least have one half season that would focus on the core characters again. Edited September 15, 2015 by sharky Link to comment
LizaD September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 So the important question is Nimue is whose mommy or granny? And who relieved themselves in her lake, forcing her to turn to a lifetime of evildom? I guess we have our answer as to who is the first DO. Also, since this half-arc is missing the most important ingredient, which ex-Lost'er is unemployed and could play her? "You have the dagger? I have the dagger!" Yes! I was picturing a montage set to Rocky's music or something where everyone gets to strike a pose with their heroic intense face on since they've been tasked with this very important object and quest. And then you see DS Emma giggling in the background high-fiving imp Rump. You know I thought Emma would now fare better since she's a villain but it looks like they're permaboner for St. Woegina really does trump all. What did I say? I told you guys the writers don't really like writing villains, they like writing victims. Link to comment
Curio September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 Jeez, Louise. That's ELEVEN guest stars in 10 eps: Merida, Arthur, Merlin, Gwen, Lancelot, Ruby, Mulan, Percival, his daughter & now I'm assuming Nimue, plus Lily. They've shown they can't balance guest stars plus the regulars. And instead of cutting back on the guest stars, they're adding even MORE. Everybody but Regina & Emma are gonna get maybe one line an ep. They've also added more regulars this season with Sean and Bex. No wonder poor Socha never stood a chance. I wonder if they'll put Mulan with Lily. Or maybe Red. I don't want them to break up Aurora and Philip, since they had a TLK. That would devalue TLK. I'm hoping for a Merida/Mulan pairing. Link to comment
regularlyleaded September 15, 2015 Author Share September 15, 2015 (edited) IMO Regina is NOT the logical choice to hold the dagger. She’s mentally unstable, viciously vindictive, and — let’s all say this together — a narcissistic, homicidal sociopath. If the writers were concerned with giving the dagger to a character that made sense, they’d be looking at someone like Blue and the Fairies. They have magic, there’s a bunch of them (so you have a small army protecting the thing), they’re historically on the side of good, and they could hide the dagger in some magical oblivion only they can access. Who will hold the dagger? problem solved.But that’s not what the writers choose to write because it’s not about the smart or logical choice. It’s about Woegina. They’ve written it up so that Emma gives Regina the dagger because A) this way the writers can hit the audiences’ gag reflex hard with the most inorganic, unearned, and toxic “friendship” in the history of television that I have ever had the disgust of witnessing — calling this BS a "friendship" sullies what true friendship is — and B) (and this is the writers’ true reason) to give Woegina an entire arc about how she’s conflicted about doing "the right thing”...Poor Woobie Woegina. This way the writers can spend chunks of time stroking their Woegina permaboner and write scenes for Lana looking weepy eyed, fretting over whether she should or should not murder someone (again!). Poor Woegina is just so conflicted, you guys. Nevermind that she's been trying to murder Emma since day one, and the way that Emma and Elsa got The Snow Queen’s magical sisterhood ribbons off their wrists was using the unparalleled, pure, unadulterated hatred that Regina holds for Emma. No, you guys, poor St. Victimus is conflicted. Ooooh, what a cross Woegina must bear. My heart bleeds. *rolling my eyes so hard* You know I thought Emma would now fare better since she's a villain but it looks like they're permaboner for St. Woegina really does trump all. What did I say? I told you guys the writers don't really like writing villains, they like writing victims. ITA. But if it makes anyone feel any better, the recent behind the scenes spoilers pics of Dark Swan with Merida inspired another kooky theory in my head: Dark Swan ends up giving the real dagger to Merida to hold onto without anyone else knowing about it. This way Woegina and everyone else thinks she still has the real dagger in her Vault of Murder Hearts, but actually Merida has it. Bonus: Merida has no pony in this race, as far as we know. Edited September 15, 2015 by regularlyleaded 4 Link to comment
RadioGirl27 September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 I think they're just preparing 5x10 at this point and setting up the 100th episode. I'm sure we will see more casting announcements. I think they are trying to get as much characters as possible for the 100th episode, and giving them more than one episode it's the way they have to book some of them. And anybody could command Emma not to use magic. It doesn't have to be Regina. This. The same way that Regina can say "Dark One I command you to stop using magic", Hook, Snow, Charming, Henry, Belle, Merida, hell, even Grumpy can say it. But this is the last thing I'm going to say about the dagger and Regina. Link to comment
mjgchick September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 I wonder if they have something for Mulan we'll get Shang? And if so would they make Shang a lady instead of a dude. 1 Link to comment
Selina K September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 I'm hoping for a Merida/Mulan pairing. Oh, that would be interesting. There was a whole thing when Brave came out about Merida being an LGBT icon since she rejected the 'suitors' and traditional marriage. http://www.ew.com/article/2012/06/24/pixar-brave-gay-merida Link to comment
Rumsy4 September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 (edited) IMO Regina is NOT the logical choice to hold the dagger. She’s mentally unstable, viciously vindictive, and — let’s all say this together — a narcissistic, homicidal sociopath. Exactly. Regina is unstable. While she ultimately decided against rewriting her life to get herself a Happy Ending, she did a lot of collateral damage to other people in the pursuit (controlling Belle with her heart, not stopping Pinocchio's potentially life-threatening transformation to adult August, taking Lily's blood against her will, etc..). And all this while she was being a "hero" and working so haaaard on her HE. So, I don't agree that Regina is the practical choice to hold the Dagger. Charming would be, if he showed any signs of being more than a yes-man for Snow. Hook tends to be unstable when his emotions are running high as well, so someone brave and neutral like Mulan would be a good choice. But then, Mulan is not a main character. Sadly. Edited September 15, 2015 by Rumsy4 3 Link to comment
YaddaYadda September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 Regina is certainly good at taking a short cut and not walking the harder paths, that's for sure. The thing is, we are assuming Regina is the one holding the dagger, but we really don't know that. Link to comment
Souris September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 I think it's a pretty safe assumption, given the promo and A&E's hints. Link to comment
KingOfHearts September 15, 2015 Share September 15, 2015 (edited) So, I don't agree that Regina is the practical choice to hold the Dagger. It's totally logical for her to have it because she's so redeemed, uses light magic, is Emma's BFF, is family, and plays the role of the resident magical guru. Snow and Charming are unworthy eggnappers who can't keep secrets, only interested in self-gain. Hook doesn't think clearly because he's a love-sick pirate, plus... he can only hold it with one hand! What good is that, right? Obviously, the recently rehabilitated psycho killer should be entrusted with ultimate power. Hope will keep her doing the right thing! Edited September 15, 2015 by KingOfHearts 5 Link to comment
KAOS Agent September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 I'm going with the theory that Emma's secret is that the dagger doesn't control her. That being the case, who cares who holds it? Anyone using the dagger to control Emma makes me extremely uncomfortable, so I'm sticking with the happy notion that no one can control her and she's just messing with everyone with regards to the dagger. 8 Link to comment
Souris September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 I'm going with the theory that Emma's secret is that the dagger doesn't control her. That being the case, who cares who holds it? Anyone using the dagger to control Emma makes me extremely uncomfortable, so I'm sticking with the happy notion that no one can control her and she's just messing with everyone with regards to the dagger. That would be so awesome it'll never happen. 1 Link to comment
Dianthus September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 I'm clinging to the hope that whatever St. Woegina BS the writers dish out in the Emma/Regina scenes, JMo's preparation and performance will somehow make it more tolerable. 2 Link to comment
LizaD September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 (edited) I originally speculated that the DO dagger was "Excalibur" but now it looks like Excalibur is its own thing and will be significant. So I'm wondering if they're really ripping off the Marvel comics story. I think the story goes Merlin created Excalibur, the chalice, amd another sword that Mordred stole and turned into the Ebony Dagger to combat it, which could be the DO dagger here. I think the dagger was cursed too and made the owner go crazy everytime they used it and it was also bonded to the owner in a special way. That's the gist of it anyway, details could be off. Edited September 16, 2015 by LizaD 1 Link to comment
Souris September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 Mulan would be a very good choice, but given that Jamie hasn't even filmed yet, it can't be her. Link to comment
regularlyleaded September 16, 2015 Author Share September 16, 2015 (edited) Mulan would be a very good choice, but given that Jamie hasn't even filmed yet, it can't be her. IA (on both counts). I don’t think either Mulan or Red are going to factor into 5A until the end. In early interviews (back when they were filming the first couple of episodes of the season) A&E said they would like to get Mulan back but it was a matter of scheduling but they “hoped so”. Yes, I know they’ve been known to flat out lie about stuff before, but why announce it now when no one has been the wiser? Neither actress has been spotted filming or in fact anywhere near OUAT production areas, so it’s not like their appearances had been leaked by set stalkers. They've just started filming what? 5x07, now? (not sure about that ep number. I haven't really been keeping up with all the spoilers) But with timing like this, I’m strongly inclined to think that both Red and Mulan show up in 5A towards the end of the 5A arc and then possibly carrying over into 5B (assuming their arcs involve more than just standing around and eating pancakes in the background at Granny's, because let's be realistic, that could very well be all their multi-episode arcs involve). It’s either that or A&E announced their characters' return now because both characters were fan favorites and they’re trying to sucker lapsed viewers into coming back and watching the show because hey, they brought back Mulan and Ruby. It’s like A&E think that if they throw every single character that they can get their grubby hands on at the screen all at once, then the viewers will come flooding back, or maybe that it will at least stop their ratings from dropping like a rock. But, come on, did they learn nothing from season 4 and that endless parade of guest characters? Ha ha ha, what am I saying? Of course not... Edited September 16, 2015 by regularlyleaded Link to comment
retrograde September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 Those searching for Emma receive help from unexpected allies; Emma struggles to resist her dark urges as she tries to find Merlin before her transformation is complete If there is a transitional period where Emma is jumping between Dark One and normal, that would explain a lot of the confusion from spoiler photos where she seems to be switching from good to evil a lot. Link to comment
YaddaYadda September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 About Excalibur...I don't know if Once is going with the sword in the stone and Excalibur being one and the same (which it seems so). The sword on the stone proves Arthur is the rightful heir to Camelot, but Excalibur is given to Arthur by the Lady of the Lake. 1 Link to comment
HoodlumSheep September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 So that Hook/Regina still...the way her arm is raised makes me think she's holding the dagger. Maybe this image goes along with the script tease Adam tweeted. Link to comment
Kktjones September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 Feels like Adam is really trying to play up the conflict between Hook and Regina. I really hope Hook is allowed to lay into her a bit. However, I'm guessing what actually happens is she's allowed to be an obnoxious bitch to Emma's loved ones and not get called out for it. 3 Link to comment
HoodlumSheep September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 ^ knowing our luck, Regina will somehow win all the "sass" battles and always be "right" about what decisions to make. 1 Link to comment
Curio September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 (edited) Quoting myself here for a second... I'll be extremely disappointed if we don't have at least one all-out screaming match between [Hook and Regina] at some time during 5A. Well, at least with that still Adam posted, it looks like I might be getting my wish. But, I can't really get too excited about it because... Regina will somehow win all the "sass" battles and always be "right" about what decisions to make. Yep. That's exactly what will happen. Edited September 16, 2015 by Curio 1 Link to comment
Amerilla September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 So that Hook/Regina still...the way her arm is raised makes me think she's holding the dagger. Maybe this image goes along with the script tease Adam tweeted. I think that's exactly it. You can sort of make out the edge of the dagger in Regina's hand, so I assume after he fails to summon Emma, Regina grabs it and gives it a whirl. Link to comment
HoodlumSheep September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 (edited) ^ because she's so much "better" at handling it than him, right? I can see it now. She "sasses" at hook to stop trying to call Emma and then she turns around and tries something similar. Hook then will attempt to sass at her and she'll throw it in his face. Bleh. It has 99% chance of playing out like that. Edited September 16, 2015 by HoodlumSheep Link to comment
Curio September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 You can kind of make out a globe in that still, so I think they might be in Gold's shop. Maybe Regina is putting the dagger away in a magic safe on a high shelf until they come up with a plan later, but Hook's pissed because he wants to get back to Emma like right now. Link to comment
HoodlumSheep September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 ^ I like that option better. Link to comment
YaddaYadda September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 (edited) You can sort of make out the edge of the dagger in Regina's hand, so I assume after he fails to summon Emma, Regina grabs it and gives it a whirl. Yeah, I can't make out the outline of anything. And why would Regina try and summon Emma when 5 seconds before she's almost calling Hook an idiot because Emma isn't in this world anymore? He looks pretty pissed. Edited September 16, 2015 by YaddaYadda Link to comment
RadioGirl27 September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 Feels like Adam is really trying to play up the conflict between Hook and Regina. I really hope Hook is allowed to lay into her a bit. However, I'm guessing what actually happens is she's allowed to be an obnoxious bitch to Emma's loved ones and not get called out for it. Adam was trying to get an effect with this pic and he did it, so I bet he is happy. And, no, Hook would never be allowed to win a sass contest with Regina. Ever. Link to comment
Serena September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 (edited) I don't know... it's not like they have regular sass-contests, but it's happened in the past and I did't feel like Hook was ever portrayed as in the wrong? Like when they all went back to EF, he was like "this barren wasteland is your doing? Congratulations, Your Majesty." and she had no retort except a dirty look. On the other hand, there are all her handless wonder/pirate mascot/etc comments which were just mean. I guess because Hook's comment was about something she DID, while Regina's were about his physical disability. Edited September 16, 2015 by Serena 2 Link to comment
Souris September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 (edited) Ugh, it timed out on my post, so I have to redo. So that Hook/Regina still...the way her arm is raised makes me think she's holding the dagger. Maybe this image goes along with the script tease Adam tweeted. I agree. I'm 100% sure she has the dagger & it goes along with the script tease. Feels like Adam is really trying to play up the conflict between Hook and Regina. I really hope Hook is allowed to lay into her a bit. However, I'm guessing what actually happens is she's allowed to be an obnoxious bitch to Emma's loved ones and not get called out for it. Yes, as always. ^ knowing our luck, Regina will somehow win all the "sass" battles and always be "right" about what decisions to make. I think she may make some "wrong" decisions at the start of the arc, but by the end she'll make all the "right" decisions, proving her growth and what a wonderful hero she is. There was that "I'm doing what I should have done in Camelot" filming spoiler that plays into that. Ultimately, she will be the one who saves Emma with her decisions/actions. (At the VERY least, she'll get all the credit regardless.) Adam was trying to get an effect with this pic and he did it, so I bet he is happy. Yes, IMO it was a baiting post to stir up drama. You want more Hook and less Regina? Well, here's Hook -- with Regina! Bwahahaha! Edited September 16, 2015 by Souris 2 Link to comment
Kktjones September 16, 2015 Share September 16, 2015 Taking my response to the Fandom thread as I don't think what I have to say is very spoilerish... Link to comment
Dianthus September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 -Zoe-, on 16 Sept 2015 - 3:57 PM, said:All I want is for Hook to call out Regina on the fact that this is literally all her fault. I would do the Dance of Joy if only Hook got to tear her a new one (preferably with his actual hook)! Link to comment
MMR September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 (edited) I don't get why are people so surprised? This show was always about Regina's happy ending. She even said so in the Pilot ep. And the second ep of the series is Regina centric about her happy ending! It's just that the idea about what her happiness is has changed now! Edited September 17, 2015 by MMR Link to comment
Rumsy4 September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 (edited) Charming and Regina seem awfully close in the pic Ginny posted yesterday. Are they getting some long deserved step-mother in law/step-son in law bonding time? Reminds me of the time Regina tried to seduce David Nolan. Eugh!!! :-p Edited September 17, 2015 by Rumsy4 Link to comment
Mari September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 Is this the first time since arranging Leopold's death Regina's had such a pale fairytale land costume? She wore some pale cream and white costumes when he was alive, but I can't remember one since. If so, that in itself could be telling. Link to comment
kili September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 Charming and Regina seem awfully close in the pic Ginny posted yesterday. Are they getting some long deserved step-mother in law/step-son in law bonding time? I'm desperately hoping that it is Regina and Prince James. I love watching Josh have fun playing James, plus it would add an interesting twist to tthe backstories. Imagine how Regina felt when her ally/parmour Prince James was suddenly courting her arch-nemesis Snow?LOL. 3 Link to comment
RadioGirl27 September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 (edited) Some actress named Caroline seems to be playing Nimue. After 24 hour without adding a new character/actor, I was starting to worry. I'm glad things are back to normal. Jennifer Morrison was also there with Merlin and this actress, so I think it's not a flashback (or not only a flashback), but another character they have added to the present timeline. Edited September 17, 2015 by RadioGirl27 1 Link to comment
KingOfHearts September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 (edited) After 24 hour without adding a new character/actor, I was starting to worry. I'm glad things are back to normal. I'm surprised there isn't any Lost alumni shoehorned yet, really. Edited September 17, 2015 by KingOfHearts 1 Link to comment
Serena September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 I'm surprised there isn't any Lost alumni shoehorned yet, really. Was there someone named Caroline in the cast of Lost? There could still be some shoehorning! Link to comment
YaddaYadda September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 And they have built a replica of the front of the library in studio. OMG! We're never getting BTS pics again! 1 Link to comment
Shanna Marie September 17, 2015 Share September 17, 2015 And they have built a replica of the front of the library in studio. OMG! We're never getting BTS pics again! Or they're going to do something effects-heavy or destroy it, or something like that. Link to comment
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