Serena July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 (edited) These spoilers make no sense, so it's CRACK THEORY TIME. I'm going with Arthur is a baddie, like some of you have suggested. I'm also unwilling to part with the Storybrooke-is-flashforward-with-Dark-Emma theory, SO: PRESENT, Camelot: Arthur welcomes the Nevengers! He throws a ball for them! He and Charming bro-out! All is well. FUTURE, Storybrooke: Arthur and the knights are in Storybrooke! OMG what's happening? The dwarves attack them! Why would they do something so evil! *enter Dark Swan* we find out... the dwarves are following Dark Swan's orders! OMG, the dwarves are evil! But... *insert amazing plot twist here* Actually, Arthur is evil, not the dwarves! Dark Swan is actually trying to stop evil!Arthur from his evil doing! Except, being Dark Swan, she does it in a totally evil way! Edited July 22, 2015 by Serena 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349596
Souris July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 FWIW, Grumpy looks like he's wearing the same outfit today in SB as shooting in the park yesterday. He and Happy are also wearing the same outfits today that they wore when arriving in Camelot. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349608
YaddaYadda July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 These people will not change for the whole duration of this arc except for Emma. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349620
Serena July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 Apparently Arthur + dwarves have left and it's Charming on set. Is Charming alone though? Why is he in Storybrooke? I definitely think 502 is a Charming episode, since there seems to be lots of Arthur and they're "bros". 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349627
mjgchick July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 (edited) It feels like I'm in the Pretty Little Liars spoiler thread. Everything is so confusing but I'm kind of excited. Poor Killy if he gets left by Charming for Arthur. I wonder if Killian will be worried about Arthur at all. Edited July 22, 2015 by mjgchick 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349628
Souris July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 Apparently Arthur + dwarves have left and it's Charming on set. Is Charming alone though? Why is he in Storybrooke? I definitely think 502 is a Charming episode, since there seems to be lots of Arthur and they're "bros". Last year's Ep 2 was a Charming ep, too. At least he shouldn't have the Jesus!wig this time. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349638
pezgirl7 July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 (edited) Apparently Josh is filming with some knights in front of Granny’s now. I still think this all takes place before the gang leaves for Camelot. I'm interested to see how Charming reacts to seeing Arthur, assuming Arthur will be in the scene. Edited July 22, 2015 by pezgirl7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349665
Souris July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 Dark Swan has appeared in SB today. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349686
OnceUponAJen July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 Maybe Charming returns to SB with Arthur while the rest remain in Camelot? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349689
PixiePaws1 July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 2nd episode called The Price..so who paid it and what did it buy them? The end of the Camelot curse? The price for revealing Merlin's location? Was the change to a new Dark One the trigger for the end of a Camelot curse and that opened a door back from Camelot to SB home of new DO??? I think my price is going to be my concentration at work today with all these crazy spoilers!! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349695
mjgchick July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 Is Emma only able to be Dark Swan in SB the way Rumple and Zelena can be green and Gold in EF? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349696
Rumsy4 July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 Dark Swan has appeared in SB today. Flashforward... Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349709
Serena July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 Dark Swan has appeared in SB today. YAAAAS. My theory LIVES. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349711
pezgirl7 July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 OK, forget everything I said. I don't know what's going on. :P And I know this has been mentioned before, but I think it's strange that Emma has a different Dark One look in Storybrooke, which is in the land without magic. Seems like she should look normal in the real world, like Rumple did. I know some have said it's because the real world is where she became the dark one, but that seems strange. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349712
YaddaYadda July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 I think my price is going to be my concentration at work today with all these crazy spoilers!! I know, right? Is Emma only able to be Dark Swan in SB the way Rumple and Zelena can be green and Gold in EF? This is why I'm having a hard time buying into flashforwards or sideways or whatever. This is what I'm sticking to, that Emma is in her full on Dark One costume not because she's full on evil, but because she became the Dark One in Storybrooke. About David and Arthur become bros and if this is a Charming centric, then David and Arthur have to parallel somewhere. Arthur supposedly came from humble beginnings and so did David, so that might be the starting point for them. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349716
Watt July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 I want to thank Souris and Serena and whoever else is keeping up the spoiler thread so I don't have to touch tumblr with a ten foot pole. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349764
KingOfHearts July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 Emma wasn't part of Curse 2. Her visuals aren't "programmed" into it. Zelena and Rumple's were. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349771
pezgirl7 July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 (edited) I'm laughing at people posting photos of reflections in windows. However, this shadow of Emma and Hook looks interesting. I'm glad I'll be leaving work soon and will be offline for a while. These tiny updates are killing me. Edited July 22, 2015 by pezgirl7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349822
Serena July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 Yes, the windows reflections are cracking me up. But the shadow completely made me squee, so I shouldn't judge. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349828
YaddaYadda July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 So, relationship still going strong then? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349832
Souris July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 The second shadow looks a lot less romantic, like she's driving him to his knees. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349856
RadioGirl27 July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 (edited) So, relationship still going strong then? I doubt it. That scene is probably Dark Emma using his love for her as a weapon against him, to get something from him, maybe the dagger. The second reflection doesn't look very romantic to me. Edited July 22, 2015 by RadioGirl27 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349894
mjgchick July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 This looks more like creepy paps pics watching the Savior/Sheriff and the Pirate of the town. I don't know why this is cracking me up. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349940
Souris July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 (edited) Based on the photo just posted, NOT romantic. Looks like he's resisting, so she hurts him. Then Regina shows up. This looks more like creepy paps pics watching the Savior/Sheriff and the Pirate of the town. I don't know why this is cracking me up. GossipGrumpy.com Edited July 22, 2015 by Souris 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349943
Scovies July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 (edited) It doesn't look like the most romantic of meetings. But still kinda hot. I predict some delicious angst. Fuck it, I am here for it. Edited July 22, 2015 by Scovies 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349947
mjgchick July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 Yikes this is going to get hot and angsty and I'm here for it. Just please don't hurt his face. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349978
Serena July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 Yeees, I love it. She looks freaking scary and he looks devastated, and I am ALL for it. Do not let me down, A&E. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1349995
YaddaYadda July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 I don't about her hurting him or him being devastated, but there is some tension there. Someone please tell me why I am analyzing a picture of something that will air in the first week of October? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350002
Watt July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 (edited) YAS. I love this thread. I love everyone in it. I am trying to tamper down my hype but Capt. Swan is making me all twitchy. Edited July 22, 2015 by Watt 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350013
sharky July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 (edited) Just dammmmmmmnnnnnnn girl. Can't wait to see what that scene is about. I initially read it as some tension between them but not so sure now. She's definitely grabbing the lapels of his coat and pulling him in, which is something Emma did when she kissed Hook for the first time. So could this be more of a Bonnie and Clyde dark love kind of thing? We had hints of Hook having trouble resisting the darkness so why not have him slip back in? Or perhaps play the part as a way to stay close to Emma and protect her until they can get the darkness out of her. Whatever. It looks hot. ETA: Not that I'm over analyzing one photo (but I am) but I wonder what the next shot right after that is. What does Hook look like when he walks away? Or does he wrap his arm around her waist? Where is the damn video of this scene? Ugh! Edited July 22, 2015 by sharky Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350116
mjgchick July 22, 2015 Share July 22, 2015 (edited) Could the Dark Swan scenes be present and Camelot is the past? I really need to calm down. It's just a pic my god. lol Edited July 22, 2015 by mjgchick 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350148
Serena July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 He looks like he's being forced to his knees here, so I don't think they're doing B&C. Or they are and she's distrustful that he's really in it, and antagonizes him. Could the Dark Swan scenes be present and Camelot is the past? Well, either DS is present and Camelot is past, or Camelot is present and DS is future... LOL I guess that's pretty much the same thing, but they're definitely two different timelines. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350256
Watt July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 I love that half the thread is like "fuck Regina, fuck Robin, fuck Belle, who cares about snowing,screw kiddo, blah rumple, omfg what captain swan!!<3!; #*$*"*--$;$-$8$-$8$;$9#*#" lol 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350349
Souris July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 The fact that everyone but Emma is wearing the same clothes in SB as in Camelot is flummoxing me. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350367
YaddaYadda July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 What's magic if you can't use it to change your clothes on a whim? i'd love to have magic in the morning so that my dresser doesn't suddenly look like something out of Black Friday or Boxing Day. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350389
Serena July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 I love that half the thread is like "fuck Regina, fuck Robin, fuck Belle, who cares about snowing,screw kiddo, blah rumple, omfg what captain swan!!<3!; #*$*"*--$;$-$8$-$8$;$9#*#" lol We are nothing but consistent. The fact that everyone but Emma is wearing the same clothes in SB as in Camelot is flummoxing me. Okay, I'm trying to figure it out, and let's say there are two timelines (I'm gonna ignore any possible past flashbacks to 30+ years ago. Hope they keep those to a minimum). In 501: Timeline 1, "Present": picks up where 422 left off. Zelena business. Twister brings everyone to Camelot. They find Emma, she's still good. Timeline 2, "Dark Swan Future": Dark Swan interacts with some dwarves, destroys beer garden, no regulars. In 502: Timeline 1, "Present": the cast is in Camelot. They're still wearing the clothes they wore when they got there. There may be a ball, where they may change temporarily in period-appropriate clothing. I don't know. Timeline 2, "Dark Swan Future": this is, let's say, a little bit after the beer garden thing. Maybe DS precedes them to Storybrooke, so this is the moment they come back. Arthur is in period clothing, fights with the dwarves. The second they arrive, they're in emergency mode trying to find Emma, so they haven't changed yet from their Camelot clothes (I'm assuming/hoping, if they stay in Camelot a bit, that Arthur will give them new clothes and then they'll just wear their own again when they're ready to come back). So Timeline 1 would be Dark Swan's slow descent into evil. It culminates with Emma embracing the Dark One, and leaving Camelot for SB (where she destroys the beer garden). Timeline 2 is Dark Swan's reign of terror in SB, culminating with them "saving" Emma. So the end of the storyline would be Emma embracing evil (in Timeline 1) and Emma being saved and giving up evil (in Timeline 2) at the same time. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350421
Souris July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 No wonder the new writer's head hurts. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350433
daxx July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 More Dark Swan/Hook pics. Looks like a very intense conversation. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350537
KingOfHearts July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 I really like the flash forward idea. (Even though it's basically just the Missing Year - a timejump with flashbacks.) It would be a neat narrative for the audience to already know what will happen, but not how it came to be. However, I don't trust these writers to do this well. They've already proven in 3B that they can't. Lost did a similar thing in S4 with the Oceanic Six. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350675
Shanna Marie July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 I would love that because I've been waiting for the flashbacks(/forwards) to tell a cohesive story again, like in S1 where it told Snowing's courtship up until their engagement, instead of being random vignettes from people's lives like it's been for the last 3 seasons. I'd love to see a cohesive story being told on separate timelines like in S1, and bonus if in one thread it's non-linear. I like seeing things somewhat out of order and having to piece it together, or not knowing the setup for the situation I'm seeing. So two timelines, whether flashback or flashforward, might be a lot of fun. And I like Dark Emma's black trenchcoat. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350688
Watt July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 I want magic that can do my makeup for me too, though Storybrookes magic goes a little heavy on the fake lashes for my taste. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350735
mjgchick July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 Damn I love Emma's coat. I wonder if the costume people went on tumblr and saw some art work because I could have sworn I saw a Dark Swan in a Trent coat long before any promos or set pics came out. They even have her hair in a bun like the art work. I wish I had saved it. Some people's theory I've seen is the Dark Swan scenes are someone seeing some sort of premonition of what's to come. Which means theirs a chance they can stop Emma from going dark but I'm not sure this is what it is. I'm leaning more towards future Dark Swan and Camelot being the past. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350890
OnceUponAJen July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 (edited) You mean this? http://twitter.com/swansdonut/status/623989397566918657/photo/1 Edited July 23, 2015 by OnceUponAJen Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350905
Souris July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 And check out the similarity between early concept art of Emma's coat, Hook's pirate coat & DarkSwan's coat. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1350917
retrograde July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 I'm digging the Dark Swan trenchcoat. Hard to tell what's going on in the scene with Hook -- it looked intense, but not necessarily bad -- but apparently things were frosty with Henry. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1351104
PixiePaws1 July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 Am I wrong or is there no sparkly white glitter on Jen's face in those pics wih Lana and Jared?? Does she have it in the pics with Killian? I can already here the Bee Gees "Stayin' Alive to Emma's strut! 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1351135
tatterd July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 I really like Emma's new look. I so want a coat like that. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1351157
retrograde July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 Am I wrong or is there no sparkly white glitter on Jen's face in those pics wih Lana and Jared?? Does she have it in the pics with Killian? Doesn't seem to. I think that may just have been something they did in the promo clip, then reconsidered. They do seem to be highlighting the heck out of her cheekbones, though, which I'm totally down with. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1351173
RadioGirl27 July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 (edited) I guess I'm the only one who doesn't want Hook to go dark with Emma. I would understand him, Emma is all his family and with her gone he is totally alone, but I would prefer him to be the light that brings Emma back from darkness, like she was for him. But for what I've seen here but, especially, on Tumblr the biggest part of the fandom is more intetested in the hotness factor of Dark CS, and, probably, the writers would be too. Edited July 23, 2015 by RadioGirl27 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1351177
Serena July 23, 2015 Share July 23, 2015 I don't think you have to worry. When asked about Hook going dark, the writers pretty much said "no". I think it's possible he'll try to make her believe he's on her side, to keep an eye on her, but nothing more. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/274/#findComment-1351185
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