YaddaYadda November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Looks like it. Then I wonder why Merlin refrains from stabbing him with the Dagger. Did Vortigan kill Nimue? Did she also become a Dark One later? Why is she is Storybrooke looking like a DO? So many questions. Nimue/Merlin look gorgeous in the episode stills. Because he had a vision? Girl they picked for Nimue is very gorgeous. Link to comment
HoodlumSheep November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Pan might be back? YYYYEEESSSSS!!!!! Both Cora and maybe Pan? Excellent...*runs hands together* I like Zelena's cape/cloak. 3 Link to comment
Rumsy4 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) Because he had a vision? Sounds about right. lol How is Magic Lake for the Merlin/Nimue ship name? They need to get rid of all the Middlemist flowers in Camelot. It never seems to bode well for romance. haha Edited November 3, 2015 by Rumsy4 Link to comment
Selina K November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 From the TV Insider article about Red, Mulan, and Merida: But the magic really begins in the second hour as Mulan (Jamie Chung) and Ruby (Meghan Ory) each makes her first appearance of the season. ... “Merida’s facing a problem in the present day that involves Zelena and King Arthur,” Kitsis says. “Mulan and Ruby are going to be enlisted to help her solve that problem. [so] it’s your normal show where Merida, Mulan and Little Red Riding Hood team up to fight the Wicked Witch and King Arthur ... I'm sorry, but after this week's crap fest of "I couldn't care less about Merida" this is where I will be able to watch the first hour (read: the one we actually planned for and wrote out) and I can skip the second hour (read: the one we cobbled together with a shoestring and gum wrapper comic when we got more time). If they wanted to legitimately develop a same sex relationship, I would be all in for watching the progression of an arc and a romance naturally develop. Shoehorning it in because the actresses were available and ABC threw you an extra hour? I'm not optimistic. 2 Link to comment
YaddaYadda November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I wonder if Zelena won't be escaping in 5x07. Link to comment
woolmintons November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Emma's wearing a ring on a necklace in both the promo video (18 seconds) and her promo picture! Link to comment
Mathius November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I'm sorry, but after this week's crap fest of "I couldn't care less about Merida" this is where I will be able to watch the first hour (read: the one we actually planned for and wrote out) and I can skip the second hour (read: the one we cobbled together with a shoestring and gum wrapper comic when we got more time). If they wanted to legitimately develop a same sex relationship, I would be all in for watching the progression of an arc and a romance naturally develop. Shoehorning it in because the actresses were available and ABC threw you an extra hour? I'm not optimistic. Wait, DID this episode come about due to an extra hour? I thought it was just a matter of them airing two episodes on the same night. If they were given an extra hour, it would have probably been a two-hour episode with one title again rather than two separately titled episodes. Link to comment
KAOS Agent November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) Colin's been spotted filming at Regina's vault in Storybrooke. He's not in the Underworld for long if that's what happens at the end of the fall finale. Wait, DID this episode come about due to an extra hour? I thought it was just a matter of them airing two episodes on the same night. If they were given an extra hour, it would have probably been a two-hour episode with one title again rather than two separately titled episodes. 5.09 is an extra episode order. It was filmed by the second unit at the same time as 5.08. This is why it's almost entirely using non-core cast because they were all filming the originally scheduled episode. I believe Amy Manson said in her interview that the episode is set entirely in Dunbroch, but maybe she was just talking flashbacks? Edited November 3, 2015 by KAOS Agent 1 Link to comment
mjgchick November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Emma's wearing a ring on a necklace in both the promo video (18 seconds) and her promo picture! I wonder if thats the same ring from filming last week. 1 Link to comment
regularlyleaded November 3, 2015 Author Share November 3, 2015 (edited) 5.09 is an extra episode order. It was filmed by the second unit at the same time as 5.08. This is why it's almost entirely using non-core cast because they were all filming the originally scheduled episode. Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things, but I don't think it's an extra episode order. The schedule is showing that it's 5x08 and then 5x09 airing one after the other on the same night, instead of 5x08 and 5x08 part 2. I think the reason 5x09 was filmed at the same time as 5x08 is because 5x09 was pushed up to air on the same date as 5x08, and unless they wanted to shorten the post-production time for 5x09 by 11-12 days (which is bad for a show that relies so heavily on CGI), they had to have units filming concurrently. From what I can tell, ABC didn't give OUAT an extra hour, ABC just scheduled two OUAT episodes to air on the same date because of the awards show that was going to preempt their (OUAT's) normal run. I think we're getting two episodes, 5x08 and 5x09, on the same night, not one two hour episode. Edited November 3, 2015 by regularlyleaded Link to comment
HoodlumSheep November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I'm so happy that Robbie Kay is reprising his role. I love his Peter Pan. 6 Link to comment
Selina K November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things, but I don't think it's an extra episode order. The schedule is showing that it's 5x08 and then 5x09 airing one after the other on the same night, instead of 5x08 and 5x08 part 2. I think the reason 5x09 was filmed at the same time as 5x08 is because 5x09 was pushed up to air on the same date as 5x08, and unless they wanted to shorten the post-production time for 5x09 by 11-12 days (which is bad for a show that relies so heavily on CGI), they had to have units filming concurrently. From what I can tell, ABC didn't give OUAT an extra hour, ABC just scheduled two OUAT episodes to air on the same date because of the awards show that was going to preempt their (OUAT's) normal run. I think we're getting two episodes, 5x08 and 5x09, on the same night, not one two hour episode. Replying in Ratings & Scheduling, I guess? Link to comment
KingOfHearts November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Entertainment Weekly confirmed Robbie Kay coming back, and Adam retweeted it. So excited for Peter Pan! 1 Link to comment
YaddaYadda November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 So it will be a parade of the dead. MRJ next? Link to comment
Kktjones November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 PLEASE let them bring back Graham! I'm sure it would be really difficult to get Jamie D., but I want Emma to learn that Regina murdered him while she's still dark. That's our only chance of her getting to have a realistic reaction. Otherwise it will just be "I know you Regina and you're not that person anymore..." 7 Link to comment
PixiePaws1 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 more convinced than ever that Emma is setting Rumple up to replace Killian in whatever dire fate awaits. .. I would guess that pulling the sword from the stone is one step....if she needs the 1st spark then where is she getting that? ?? The fact that she went to Zelena because she used Merlin's wand and 'survived' ..since the big M appears to be absent in SB perhaps she is going to use Zelena to perform whatever role Merlin played/was supposed to play. Or she could be needing Zelena to create another portal at some point. ...maybe to the UW. seriously. .the intricate mental gymnastics I am doing whereby I can keep my vision of Emma being totally redeemable after ordering Belle's death...! Link to comment
Artsda November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 So excited and happy for Robbie returning. Link to comment
YaddaYadda November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 If they bring Graham back, he won't have any scenes with Emma. He'll tell Regina he forgives her, then apologize for making her kill him. 11 Link to comment
SiobhanJW November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Are they currently filing the 100th Episode. Or are they still on the Fall Finale? Link to comment
Souris November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 They are filming the 100th ep, the spring premiere. 1 Link to comment
SiobhanJW November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 They are filming the 100th ep, the spring premiere. Okay,Thanks!! So if Hook is filming with them all is it possible that he didn't go to the Underworld? 2 Link to comment
LizaD November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) Pan yes! I was ready to give up this show cause Merlin's sexy face for 30 seconds isn't cutting it. Now I just need Ingrid and Cruella. I can do without Graham. I know Jamie D. would be a big get for them at this point but we all know he'd just be back for some more cutesy flirty rom-com moments with Woegina, in the words of LP. Maybe they'll settle for some free publicity by just teasing his name. I wonder if they tried to get the ratings gold Frozen crew back. Looks like it. Then I wonder why Merlin refrains from stabbing him with the Dagger. Did Vortigan kill Nimue? Did she also become a Dark One later? Why is she is Storybrooke looking like a DO? So many questions. Merlin also said Nimue is the only person who can now destroy the darkness and save them no? I just caught the Merlin clips so maybe I missed something. Her appearance in the finale could be trying to save their butts. Maybe this Vortigan is the source of the DO and in the Merlin/Vortigan fight he accidentally tethered it to Nimue. Or Nimue took it on herself to save Merlin. It's hard to tell how they define first DO. Is it the person Merlin first tethered it to or is the first DO the actual origin of black flubber? Merlin has to know that he and Emma failed because he's still standing there warning her about a later event. Maybe the guy should've had a better contingency plan. Nimue is definitely one of the DOs though. In the promo when Emma is holding the dagger and the names are flashing by, besides the 3 we've seen plus Gorgon, I did catch N as the first letter so that's got to be Nimue and not Vortigan. I didn't catch any other name so does that mean there's only been 5 total. Edited November 3, 2015 by LizaD Link to comment
Hookian November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Okay,Thanks!! So if Hook is filming with them all is it possible that he didn't go to the Underworld? I'm kind of on the fence. I do think he died and sacrificed his life but I think that S5B may have the same storytelling as S5A. Like we'll get Underworld in FB and them going to save Killian and then present day is them dealing with the ramifications of what they've done and likely bringing hell to SB. Link to comment
Rumsy4 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I think Merlin is dead (shame). The "voice mail" the Nevengers accessed could be an old one, before he was Tree-ed. The writers seem to be paralleling Nimue/Merlin with Captain Swan. Maybe Nimue took on the Darkness willingly too. Not sure how that fits in though. 1 Link to comment
scenicbyway November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Okay,Thanks!! So if Hook is filming with them all is it possible that he didn't go to the Underworld? It's hard to tell isn't it? From filming footage we know that Hook isn't at the big "showdown" in the center of town in 5.11. We know he's at the lake with DarkSwan and co. and goes in to the woods with her and Emma comes out no longer Dark Swan. He must play some key role because his names ends up on Excalibur along with Emma's. But now here he is with Regina and co. in the cemetery in 5.12. So did he go to the Underworld? It sure looks like the Underworld is coming to Storybrooke, not the other way around. I still think that whatever he does in 5.11 we'll know he's ok going in to the hiatus. They never leave us with out hope, so even if he goes to the Underworld, I suspect Emma will have found him before the end of the episode. Link to comment
InsertWordHere November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I am legit excited to see Pan again! Although, if he's being punished in the Underworld, wouldn't the ultimate punishment be for him to be Malcolm and not Pan? He was Malcolm when he died. Not that I care because I'd rather have Robbie Kay again. I've been watching him on Heroes and he has some wonky aging going on there too. The writers seem to be paralleling Nimue/Merlin with Captain Swan. Maybe Nimue took on the Darkness willingly too. Not sure how that fits in though. Maybe Nimue killed the original Dark One (if that's who the other guy is supposed to be) to save Merlin, but Merlin thought the Dark One killed her, and that's why he was so surprised and couldn't kill her before she treed him. He thought he was facing the other guy. 2 Link to comment
Hookian November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Somebody on another thread brought this up. What if present day SB some of the ramifications they're dealing with aside from Hades is Killian not having his memories? So he doesn't remember Emma nor any of the others. In the UW there's a river called the River of Styx and if you drink the water from that you will lose your memories. Link to comment
Rumsy4 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Maybe Nimue killed the original Dark One (if that's who the other guy is supposed to be) to save Merlin, but Merlin thought the Dark One killed her, and that's why he was so surprised and couldn't kill her before she treed him. He thought he was facing the other guy. That's what I thought, but then why would Nimue wear the Golden Mask? The spoilers are hard to figure out this time around, which is a good thing, I guess. What if present day SB some of the ramifications they're dealing with aside from Hades is Killian not having his memories? So he doesn't remember Emma nor any of the others. In the UW there's a river called the River of Styx and if you drink the water from that you will lose your memories. I believe it's the Lethe that makes you forget everything. Yet another arc-long memory-loss will be so annoying. So, A&E probably will do it. :-p 1 Link to comment
InsertWordHere November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 That's what I thought, but then why would Nimue wear the Golden Mask? The spoilers are hard to figure out this time around, which is a good thing, I guess. Why would August show Neal a piece of paper that said, "I know you're Baelfire?" I believe it's the Lethe that makes you forget everything. Yet another arc-long memory-loss will be so annoying. So, A&E probably will do it. :-p Hook's gotta make up for all those times he missed the memory curses! He's only missing five weeks so far. Almost everyone else is missing 29 years and five weeks. Is Emma the only one now who has never lost her memories? Oh nevermind, I almost forgot (heh, maybe this show has tampered with my memories) that Ingrid altered her memories when she was a teen. 2 Link to comment
scenicbyway November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Somebody on another thread brought this up. What if present day SB some of the ramifications they're dealing with aside from Hades is Killian not having his memories? So he doesn't remember Emma nor any of the others. In the UW there's a river called the River of Styx and if you drink the water from that you will lose your memories. But what would the point be? These people lose their memories like they lose their keys. What would Killian losing his memories of them add to the plot? I'm pretty sure the only ones that would care would be Emma and Henry. I think it would be nice to see Emma fighting for him for a change, but really redundant that he has no memory of her. We've seen that in the Heroes and Villians book. Link to comment
Rumsy4 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Why would August show Neal a piece of paper that said, "I know you're Baelfire?" Touche! ;-) 5 Link to comment
mjgchick November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Killian losing his memories and getting a new download might be interestin mostly for the Captain Swan angst though. I'm not sure I'd want anyone to lose their memories because this current one is annoying as fck. Link to comment
Mathius November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I am legit excited to see Pan again! Although, if he's being punished in the Underworld, wouldn't the ultimate punishment be for him to be Malcolm and not Pan? He was Malcolm when he died. I don't think the risen Pan is a reflection of his Underworld punishment; after all we saw Cora's spirit being punished by being her younger Rose McGowan self perpetually stuck as the Miller's Daughter at the spinning wheel, yet the risen Cora is Barbara Hershey. Link to comment
YaddaYadda November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I am so glad we may not be going to the UW, and that the UW is coming to Storybrooke instead. I'm sure there will be a day trip down there, but perpetual CGI didn't make me overly excited about it. I think I posted this pages ago, but whatever happens, I think 5A is ending like 3B, with Hook showing up at Emma's doorstep. It gives them the time skip they need for Zelena's pregnancy. The only reason I can see Jones Sr sticking around for more than 1 episode is because he has to round up the zombies, and bring them back where they escaped from. Link to comment
PixiePaws1 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) Some random musings: As Merlin is immortal and fell in love with Nimue..maybe he was trying to share his immortality with her and mistakenly created the Dark One instead. The ring Emma is wearing on the chain in the promo looks different to the one from the pics when she is with Rumple when he cuts his hand. in the promo the ring looks to have a small stone and appears to be similar to the one Killian wore on his left hand during his date with Emma. If Excalibur is the 'light' half (or 2 thirds) of the remade sword. ..does it also have to have a soul tethered to it to balance out it's dark counterpart? As much as I desperately don't want Emma to have willingly crushed Killian's heart l am beginning to suspect that she was forced into it. I think the 1st Dark One manifests because of what Merlin and Emma fail to do to unite the sword. I think Emma isn't truly ready to let go of the power and doesn't admit it to Merlin (or even to herself) so something goes horribly wrong giving the 1st DO the opportunity to return from the dead and take corporeal form (and someone has to pay the price for that). It too wants the dagger and the sword and comes after Emma and maybe her loved ones. Unable to defeat it..the only way to escape it is to cast the curse to leave the EF. Emma doesn't want to but Snowing and Regina force her with the dagger....and Killian volunteers to die to get Emma to safety. The curse is cast, bringing the Camelot people as well rather than leave them to the mercy of the 1st DO but Merlin stays behind to holds it off. Emma is beyond furious about Killian and saves him...maybe by taking someone's heart and shoving it in his chest ( and another price owed), but she puts in the memory wipe.. The 1st DO is the big bad coming to SB and Emma is searching for a way to defeat it and to make Rumple a suitable substitute to pay the price owed for Killian's life......whew!! Edited November 3, 2015 by PixiePaws1 Link to comment
Hookian November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 https://twitter.com/findtheseashore/status/661545297320001536 R.I.P Hook. :( It's cool, you'll be back in the episode. :p Even if you may not have your memories back. Link to comment
daxx November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I've been saying I don't think this is Emma's curse. The whole tree thing at the town line screams Nimue. I posted the below on tumblr. This is where I am now. Still not sure how Killian's name gets on Excalibur. From tumblr: I do suspect she channels Nimue and casts the curse with Merlin’s heart. It only makes sense given the curse on the town line and Merlin missing In Storybrooke. She is angry with Regina, said now life is precious to you. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Regina uses the dagger to command her to cast the curse. They foreshadowed Regina commanding Emma already. She has Hook in front of her but she can’t do it and out of desperation she channels Nimue turns rips out Merlin’s heart and casts the curse adding in the memory caveat. In the finale she disguises herself as Rumple so Killian will kill her in the fight but he figures her out and refuses to kill her even if it would destroy the darkness. They reach a stalemate where neither can kill the other. Hook uses his enchanted hook to remove her heart (true love can remove her heart for plot reasons) commands her to kill him. Ta da! Underworld plot started. 6 months later... Emma hears a knock on the door, there's Killian. To be continued. Of course in the process of pirating his way out of the underworld he breaches the veil and here comes all the dead. Maybe a true loves kiss allows him to break free of the underworld permanently or his father has pull and gets him released. 1 Link to comment
HoodlumSheep November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I was going to suggest that it could be Snowing's ring, but it clearly isn't. Also, a zillion people would have already spotted it if it was that ring. I like the theory that Merlin and Nimue are tryig to find immortality together, and then something goes horribly wrong. Mabe their search for a solution could lead them to the Dark One and the DO tricks them into thinking that being the Dark One isn't such a bad thing. Or something of that variety. I also think it's neat how Emma needs to reforge the sword and Killy had introduced himself as a (fake!) blacksmith. I know that probably has nothing to do with this stuff. But I just found it neat. 3 Link to comment
Hookian November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I doubt Hook is gonna magically appear alive considering he's got a tombstone in the cemetery where they filmed. Link to comment
HoodlumSheep November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) I think the writing on that tombstone is extremely sketchy. Also, a new tombstone wouldn't have faded letters like that unless they made it out of play-doh or something. It just looks too worn in my opinion. Edited November 3, 2015 by HoodlumSheep Link to comment
YaddaYadda November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) I doubt that's his grave. that headstone looks really old. Compare that to Neal's grave that they showed in 4x01. Edited November 3, 2015 by YaddaYadda Link to comment
Hookian November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I doubt that's his grave. that headstone looks really old. The person seems pretty confident about it. No matter what though we know he filmed w/ Sean and Lana. The only thing left to explain is how do we get from him being in a tombstone to alive in a vault scene with OQ? Link to comment
YaddaYadda November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 The person seems pretty confident about it. The person also took that paps' pic and blew it, and came to that conclusion. Plus, I think there's a huge difference between someone dying, and their body being left behind, like every character we've seen on the show thus far (except for the 3A finale), and someone being dragged down to the Underworld, with no body to bury. I'm not saying that said person won't have a grave, but if they're still alive, and everyone knows it, why would they give them a grave? 1 Link to comment
Hookian November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 The person also took that paps' pic and blew it, and came to that conclusion. Plus, I think there's a huge difference between someone dying, and their body being left behind, like every character we've seen on the show thus far (except for the 3A finale), and someone being dragged down to the Underworld, with no body to bury. I'm not saying that said person won't have a grave, but if they're still alive, and everyone knows it, why would they give them a grave? Maybe it was the Charming's idea because they think he's really dead? I mean dead is dead, they're not the audience. The audience knows that if there's no body to be seen then it means the death won't stick. Link to comment
RadioGirl27 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) The person seems pretty confident about it. She can say whatever she wants, the pic is incredibly blurry and this "I have my sources" doesn't mean anything. Anyway, I just dislike this underworld storyline so much. I mean, the narrative behind it is so blatant that it's obvious that everything is going to fell flat immediately. And, no, this is not about Hook or Emma or CS. Edited November 3, 2015 by RadioGirl27 Link to comment
Shanna Marie November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 That tombstone is way too old and faded to be for a recent death. Unless maybe it turns out he's really been dead all along, and that's why he seems to be a "survivor" because you can't kill a dead man -- and then they find his ancient grave, brought over by the curse. He's just been a corporeal ghost (yeah, I just made that up) all this time. 3 Link to comment
ABitOFluff November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 That tombstone is way too old and faded to be for a recent death. Unless maybe it turns out he's really been dead all along, and that's why he seems to be a "survivor" because you can't kill a dead man -- and then they find his ancient grave, brought over by the curse. He's just been a corporeal ghost (yeah, I just made that up) all this time. You know, I had that same thought. Single mother in love with a deceased sea captain? Very "Ghost and Mrs. Muir". 2 Link to comment
Mathius November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 http://excellent-show-of-patience.tumblr.com/image/132481744242 It certainly looks like it reads Killian Jones. Link to comment
daxx November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 That tombstone is way too old and faded to be for a recent death. Unless maybe it turns out he's really been dead all along, and that's why he seems to be a "survivor" because you can't kill a dead man -- and then they find his ancient grave, brought over by the curse. He's just been a corporeal ghost (yeah, I just made that up) all this time. Happily this isn't Battlestar Galactica so I don't think they'll go that route with the suddenly undead regular. 1 Link to comment
Souris November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) http://excellent-show-of-patience.tumblr.com/image/132481744242 It certainly looks like it reads Killian Jones. It's definitely the right length for first and last names. I am not prepared for this level of angst. Poor Emma. Poor us! There's clearly been a time jump if he has a gravestone. Probably the spring premiere will open X months after the winter finale. I don't think I trust that spoiler about Colin filming with Sean & Lana at a vault. One of the people on set said she didn't see a vault. And they're not going to film inside a REAL vault anyway, so it would either be in studio or at a separate location where they filmed outside a vault. So I side-eye the specifics of that spoiler. Edited November 3, 2015 by Souris Link to comment
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