Eileen Davidson: Queen Eileen, Bold and Beautiful

[ryebread]

You guys do realize that bickering is actually healthy for couples to do..it means both still care. It's only when couples stop bickering that we know there is problems.

I think it's sad Eileen listened to brandi'S comments...considering the girl can't even stay in a lease for more then months at a time.

 

I disagree with your first part, agree wholeheartedly with the second.

 

However, I don't think it was just Brandi that inspired Eileen to make some changes.  I think she's at a stage in her life that it just feels good to purge.  Some people go there and some don't.  Eileen seems so easy breezy to me.  That's why her house surprised me.  But for all we know, that's all Vince's stuff.

[Lura]

How long have these two been married?  I forget.  They strike me as being the most unusual couple.  She always looks like she walked off a bandbox, and he's a dump.  She's conscientious about her work, while he's a slouch who would happily warm a sofa cushion all day.  If I were Eileen, I would be DEEPLY resentful if I worked, and he played Frisbee or was playing the ponies.  He's nothing more than a moocher from what I've seen of him so far.

 

I like Eileen so much that I hate seeing her married to someone who apparently doesn't understand the importance of love and respect in a marriage.

[mwell345]

Blind item from All About the Tea

 

http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/01/11/blind-item-his-costly-addiction-is-out-of-control/

 

Don't know how reliable they are, but it's interesting, and clearly refers to Eileen and her husband.

 

(There's another one re Teresa Guidice I'm posting in the NJ forum).  The site doesn't let you copy and paste.

[Umbelina]

It wouldn't surprise me at all.  There is much more to Eileen and Vince than they want Bravo to see, and they haven't been that good at hiding it anyway. 

 

One loving smile from him or her to the other this year?  A pat?  A sexy look?  Anything?  Nope.  Just bickering and at best, politeness, but usually not even that, especially if you consider they KNOW cameras are watching.

 

Oh well, he'll have daddy's millions soon, unless Dick knew about this and covered his bases in the will.

[biakbiak]

Vince's mother is still alive and he has two brothers so it's not as if he is the only heir.

[Giselle]

With his gambling issues I wonder if it was Eileen that proposed the separation of assets and the 50/50 joint expenses.

[Wings]

With his gambling issues I wonder if it was Eileen that proposed the separation of assets and the 50/50 joint expenses.

 

 

I don't get the idea that Vince has a gambling problem.  He father loved to gamble but was not an addict.  Many people have limits and do it responsibility for fun.   It is common for second (and 3rd) marriages to do the 50/50 split.  They come into the marriage with more in place and having been through a divorce would rather stay independent financially.  

Edited January 14, 2016 by wings707

[MyAimIsTrue]

It is common for second (and 3rd) marriages to do the 50/50 split.  They come into the marriage with more in place and having been through a divorce would rather stay independent financially.  

 

My boyfriend and I have both been married before and we've already decided to keep our finances separate when we marry someday.

 

There was a scene in the most recent episode where Eileen has her hair pulled back in a ponytail while riding in a limo with some of the other ladies and I was once again stunned by how gorgeous she is, and in such a natural effortless way.  My girl crush is intensifying!

[ryebread]

I wonder if Vince's gambling has been on the storyboard since Day One.  The clues have certainly been there.  Perhaps Bravo wanted to wrap up Kim and Brandi's storylines before digging into Eileen's. 

 

If revealing his gambling was planned all along, the release of this blind item was perfect timing.  Because now I'm dying to know if what Eileen is crying about in an upcoming episode is about them having money woes due to his gambling. 

[ryebread]

There was a scene in the most recent episode where Eileen has her hair pulled back in a ponytail while riding in a limo with some of the other ladies and I was once again stunned by how gorgeous she is, and in such a natural effortless way. 

 

She has the best ponytail.  Better than Kyle, Erika or Bethenny, who tried to trademark hers.  Yolanda's medicine vault episode is the first time I noticed it.  Perfectly casual, perfect sideswept bangs, the perfect amount of tendrils, the perfect little bump at the crown.  It's all about the bump.  It's got to be practically imperceptible but it's got to do it's job.  And hers is and does.

[LIMOM]

I wonder if Vince's gambling has been on the storyboard since Day One.  The clues have certainly been there.  Perhaps Bravo wanted to wrap up Kim and Brandi's storylines before digging into Eileen's. 

 

That makes sense and hopefully it is not one of those really devastating revalation like she was beat up in her previous marriage, I guess we will see next week.

If revealing his gambling was planned all along, the release of this blind item was perfect timing.  Because now I'm dying to know if what Eileen is crying about in an upcoming episode is about them having money woes due to his gambling.

  

She has the best ponytail.  Better than Kyle, Erika or Bethenny, who tried to trademark hers.  Yolanda's medicine vault episode is the first time I noticed it.  Perfectly casual, perfect sideswept bangs, the perfect amount of tendrils, the perfect little bump at the crown.  It's all about the bump.  It's got to be practically imperceptible but it's got to do it's job.  And hers is and does.

She has really luscious hair. I suspect a good weave though.

[talula]

She has the best ponytail. Better than Kyle, Erika or Bethenny, who tried to trademark hers. Yolanda's medicine vault episode is the first time I noticed it. Perfectly casual, perfect sideswept bangs, the perfect amount of tendrils, the perfect little bump at the crown. It's all about the bump. It's got to be practically imperceptible but it's got to do it's job. And hers is and does.

I just don't get why Eileen hasn't starred in her own TV prime time series in all these years. She can certain carry a show on a major network. The looks are there and she has the experience and work ethics. I hate to see her sliced and diced on a Andy Cohen reality show. :( Maybe she's hoping a producer catches her on RHOBH and offers her something?

Even if true, I just don't care to see Eileen crucified on TV and layed bare crying like so many of the others.

Past tear jerkers: LisaV, Kyle, Kim, Brandi, LisaR, Taylor, Yolanda, Camille, Adrienne to name a few. I don't wish to see Erika sobbing on RHOBH either.

Edited January 14, 2016 by talula

[Wings]

  

She has really luscious hair. I suspect a good weave though.

 

 

Probably extensions if anything.  Caucasian women do not get weaves.  I suppose there may be a few white woman who have them, never say never, but I doubt it.

Edited January 14, 2016 by wings707

[ryebread]

I just don't get why Eileen hasn't starred in her own TV prime time series in all these years.

 

My guess?  If it's true that she never flew without her son, and took him to the studio with her every day...she probably wasn't willing to take a job that was going to take great blocks of time away from him. She's a very attached parent.   

 

Some might feel like since her son is now 12 or 13, she could start looking for a prime time series if she wanted to.  However, if she's like me, that's when I felt like my son needed me home the most.  And unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of leading parts for women in their mid-50s anyway.

 

If the gambling stuff becomes a storyline, I don't think Eileen will get crucified.  Quite the opposite.  I didn't like Eileen until I started to see Vinny in a different light.   I'm still not a fan but I've warmed up to her considerably.  I'm sympathetic because I think she's a hard worker and unfortunately, imo, married to a slub.  And maybe she's working hard to help pay off that slub's debts.

[kokapetl]

Daytime soap filming schedules probably aren't any shorter or more flexible than prime time, it's an episode a day vs an episode a week. There's a few gaps in her 30 year daytime soap career that were probably attempts to make it to the next level, but she doesn't appear to be too proud to return to daytime soaps ASAP.

There's gotta be money problems for her to be doing this show, she doesn't enjoy her Housewives job, she's not using it for promotion of casino/restaurant/clothing/real estate/general vanity, or as a stepping stone as far as I can tell, plus her daytime soap career didn't die on her, she did several month's worth of episodes in two soaps in 2015. The several hundred grand difference in pay, compared to soaps, must be really needed.

[AuntieDiane6]

 

I just don't get why Eileen hasn't starred in her own TV prime time series in all these years. She can certain carry a show on a major network. The looks are there and she has the experience and work ethics.

 

Absolutely!  After all, Kelly Ripa did it ... so has Alison Sweeney.  If time is an issue, she can do a sitcom ... although I do see her more as a dramatic actress.

[Umbelina]

I wonder if Vince's gambling has been on the storyboard since Day One.  The clues have certainly been there.  Perhaps Bravo wanted to wrap up Kim and Brandi's storylines before digging into Eileen's. 

 

If revealing his gambling was planned all along, the release of this blind item was perfect timing.  Because now I'm dying to know if what Eileen is crying about in an upcoming episode is about them having money woes due to his gambling. 

 

Yeah, that blind item seemed pretty specific.  I believe it.  Maybe I've been watching these shows for too long, but I've suspected that marriage is in trouble for a while now.  Gambling might not be the only issue, but it's probably at the root of many of their problems.  I also think BRAVO knows, they spend a lot of time in that house, not just filming Vince and Eileen, but those full days filming "talking heads" that we just saw play out on that video probably revealed a lot more.   I think that's why they had LVP go in about the beginnings of their marriage again last night...producers see the end coming, and want to lay the groundwork. 

 

I just don't get why Eileen hasn't starred in her own TV prime time series in all these years. She can certain carry a show on a major network. The looks are there and she has the experience and work ethics. I hate to see her sliced and diced on a Andy Cohen reality show. :( Maybe she's hoping a producer catches her on RHOBH and offers her something?

Even if true, I just don't care to see Eileen crucified on TV and layed bare crying like so many of the others.

Past tear jerkers: LisaV, Kyle, Kim, Brandi, LisaR, Taylor, Yolanda, Camille, Adrienne to name a few. I don't wish to see Erika sobbing on RHOBH either.

She's got a LOT of competition for roles in her age group.  Legitimate film stars now compete for roles on television as well, and she's closing in on sixty years old.  Soap stars also took huge cuts in pay to keep soaps on the air at all, for those few soaps that still remain, or at least there were a bunch of stories about pay cuts across the board around the time they dumped AMC and OLTL (etc.)  Even Susan Lucci took a giant cut in pay.

 

Meanwhile, look at the roles available for her age range, then look at the immense pool of talent already out there.  She couldn't even deliver a "How DARE you!?" line on this show that wasn't camp, and that was supposedly real life.  I'm not saying she's not talented and beautiful, but so are many, many others, and they do complain about the lack of roles for women of a certain age.

Edited January 14, 2016 by Umbelina

[kokapetl]

My guess? If it's true that she never flew without her son, and took him to the studio with her every day...she probably wasn't willing to take a job that was going to take great blocks of time away from him. She's a very attached parent.

Some might feel like since her son is now 12 or 13, she could start looking for a prime time series if she wanted to. However, if she's like me, that's when I felt like my son needed me home the most. And unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of leading parts for women in their mid-50s anyway.

If the gambling stuff becomes a storyline, I don't think Eileen will get crucified. Quite the opposite. I didn't like Eileen until I started to see Vinny in a different light. I'm still not a fan but I've warmed up to her considerably. I'm sympathetic because I think she's a hard worker and unfortunately, imo, married to a slub. And maybe she's working hard to help pay off that slub's debts.

It's possible she's just not prime time material.

[Umbelina]

V said she was sorry and asked you to please communicate to her when she was going too far, what the fuck else do you want, woman? If you felt shame at being asked about your affair, then that’s on you. You did have one. That man was married. You were married. Then you fucked him. And he fucked you. For three years. Then you left your spouses for each other.

 

You can’t say love is worth the pain (you caused other people, mind you) and that you’re totally cool with it (big of you) and then get all butthurt when someone asks about it. If you’re proud of your choices, be proud. If you feel like you’re being questioned, still be proud! Your love for your man was enough that you destroyed other people to have it. That’s romantic in a really sick way. Just fucking own it. Your pride is the one thing your jackass of a husband can’t gamble away.

 

From Trash Talk's recap.

 

Whoa.  Did that affair really go on for THREE YEARS before Vince finally told his wife/divorced?  Anyone got any real details, or is this hyperbole? 

http://www.trashtalktv.com/01/14/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-recap-the-shameful-ho-shaming-of-a-shameless-ho/377124/8/ 

[Happy Camper]

She has the best ponytail.  Better than Kyle, Erika or Bethenny, who tried to trademark hers.  Yolanda's medicine vault episode is the first time I noticed it.  Perfectly casual, perfect sideswept bangs, the perfect amount of tendrils, the perfect little bump at the crown.  It's all about the bump.  It's got to be practically imperceptible but it's got to do it's job.  And hers is and does.

I cannot like this enough. There is not enough like in this world for me to like this enough.

[MyAimIsTrue]

Here's another thought on the "why" factor about Eileen on TV:  maybe she's just happy being a working actress and doesn't have the want or need to be a prime time "star."

[ryebread]

I cannot like this enough. There is not enough like in this world for me to like this enough.

 

LOL.  And I like that you seem to have as much appreciation for a good ponytail and the perfect bump as I do.  It's an art form, isn't it?  ;-)

[Happy Camper]

LOL.  And I like that you seem to have as much appreciation for a good ponytail and the perfect bump as I do.  It's an art form, isn't it?  ;-)

Likety Like Like Like.....Eileen has set the bar for the perfect ponytail. No one will ever surpass this. Ever.

Somebody call Guinness Book of World Records.

Edited January 14, 2016 by Happy Camper

[RedheadZombie]

It's possible she's just not prime time material.

 

There are a handful of soap actors who made it to movies and television, but they tend to only do soaps for a year or two as a launching pad, and they are few and far between.  I've only seen Eileen on Santa Barbara, and I actually preferred her two predecessors.  She famously bragged that her character's IQ took a huge leap when she walked onto set.  It was arrogant, and even untrue.  The role was created by Robyn Wright, who is no slouch, and certainly a better actor than Eileen.  Eileen did win an Emmy recently, but it was only after the majority of soaps folded, and there's little competition.  I think there have been amazing actors in soaps over the years, but some of the acting is OTT and campy, and Eileen has participated in that type at DOOL.

 

I'm devastated (just slightly hyperbolic) that Eileen grew out that amazing cut and added the chunky color swatches.  That shorter cut was the bomb, and IMO was much more flattering.

[zoeysmom]

From Trash Talk's recap.

 

Whoa.  Did that affair really go on for THREE YEARS before Vince finally told his wife/divorced?  Anyone got any real details, or is this hyperbole? 

http://www.trashtalktv.com/01/14/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-recap-the-shameful-ho-shaming-of-a-shameless-ho/377124/8/ 

He was on The Young and Restless in 2000.  He and Betsy divorced in 2001.  He and Eileen married in 2003.  So yes I think it is an exaggeration.

[ryebread]

V said she was sorry and asked you to please communicate to her when she was going too far, what the fuck else do you want, woman? If you felt shame at being asked about your affair, then that’s on you. You did have one. That man was married. You were married. Then you fucked him. And he fucked you. For three years. Then you left your spouses for each other.

 

You can’t say love is worth the pain (you caused other people, mind you) and that you’re totally cool with it (big of you) and then get all butthurt when someone asks about it. If you’re proud of your choices, be proud. If you feel like you’re being questioned, still be proud! Your love for your man was enough that you destroyed other people to have it. That’s romantic in a really sick way. Just fucking own it. Your pride is the one thing your jackass of a husband can’t gamble away.

 

That you, Betsy?

[zoeysmom]

Here's another thought on the "why" factor about Eileen on TV:  maybe she's just happy being a working actress and doesn't have the want or need to be a prime time "star."

That has been my thought.  Many actors/actress continue to act even if they don't need the money.   From Eileen'a appearance in the campy SCI-FI I would say she enjoys acting and has found a niche compatible with her lifestyle.  Prime time is competitive-pays great but the chances of landing a lead role on a long running series is pretty remote.  The one who stands out for me having the prime time and long running is Mariska Hartigay. 

 

I have no idea if Ashley Abbot a main, main character or are there younger more story driven characters on the show that are considered leads?

[Umbelina]

He was on The Young and Restless in 2000.  He and Betsy divorced in 2001.  He and Eileen married in 2003.  So yes I think it is an exaggeration.

How old is their son?  ;)

 

 

Well, this particular gossip rag says Eileen DID try to break away from soaps, guess it didn't work.  Also, YIKES, she looks so much better now!

The pair did, however, star together in 1990 film Eternity before going their separate ways - their 20-year age difference likely playing a part in their amicable split.

 

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2720474/How-RHOBH-newcomer-Eileen-Davidsons-passionate-relationship-actor-Jon-Voight-80s-saw-Angelina-Jolies-stepmom.html

Edited January 14, 2016 by Umbelina

[jaync]

Thanks for birthday thoughts ! In bed with a head cold lol     Actually enjoying it.. But possible I can get better by tomorrow? For Frisbe

​Head cold = booze flu?

 

[Petunia13]

Probably extensions if anything. Caucasian women do not get weaves. I suppose there may be a few white woman who have them, never say never, but I doubt it.

Melanie Griffith used to have one according to her in a people magazine I read.

[SCS]

​Head cold = booze flu?

 

Melanie Griffith used to have one according to her in a people magazine I read.

 

 

 

Melanie Griffith probably had both a weave and booze flu.

[zoeysmom]

How old is their son?  ;)

 

 

Well, this particular gossip rag says Eileen DID try to break away from soaps, guess it didn't work.  Also, YIKES, she looks so much better now!

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2720474/How-RHOBH-newcomer-Eileen-Davidsons-passionate-relationship-actor-Jon-Voight-80s-saw-Angelina-Jolies-stepmom.html

Jesse was born in May of 2003 so I guess he is 12 years old.

[Umbelina]

So, a month before they married, I wonder how long the divorce took?  Apparently Vince's wife filed as soon as she found out, via paparazzi photos in a gossip magazine.  They had two young boys.  That is a really crappy way to find out, no wonder it was said to be a "bitter" divorce.  Also, I had no idea how very similar the circumstances were to Brandi.  She also had two young boys, she also found out through the press, and her husband also began the affair while on set.

[zoeysmom]

So, a month before they married, I wonder how long the divorce took?  Apparently Vince's wife filed as soon as she found out, via paparazzi photos in a gossip magazine.  They had two young boys.  That is a really crappy way to find out, no wonder it was said to be a "bitter" divorce.  Also, I had no idea how very similar the circumstances were to Brandi.  She also had two young boys, she also found out through the press, and her husband also began the affair while on set.

Has Betsy said she found out through the press?  I don't recall ever reading a comment from Betsy saying that is how it happened. This is just a guess on my part but I would think if Vince spent New Years in Las Vegas with Eileen, Betsy probably had a pretty good idea or they had discussed separating and divorcing prior to the press getting wind of it.  I don't know of many marriages where one partner skips out on a major holiday.   Nor do I recall Vince or Betsy saying it was a bitter divorce. I read the divorce papers absolutely no contested issues.  Betsy Russell moved on to a very, very successful producer, Mark Burg (Two and Half Men, Dallas Buyers Club) and was with him for years. Eileen has said she and Vince were not involved while filming Young and the Restless. 

 

Here are the divorce documents.  http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/davidson-divorce-signed.pdf All 100 pages.  Their date of separation was January 6, 2001 and the final was in October of 2001. Jesse was born in May of 2003.   It was an uncontested matter, they had far more assets than liabilities.  Vince paid $4,500 a month in child support and $1,000.00 a month in spousal support through may of 2009.  If her made more than $150,000.00 annually he was to remit 1/3 of the net to Betsy.   Since it was settled by a Marital Settlement Agreement I do not see any signs of a "bitter" divorce.  There were no restraining orders or motions for contested issues.  Neither parent was deemed the primary custodial  parent.

 

I see exactly zero comparison to Brandi.  Betsy did not let her marriage or divorce define her.  Brandi to this day, some six years later can't stop talking about it.  I can see where Brandi was bitter towards Eileen because Betsy did not make a big deal over the divorce.

[LIMOM]

Wow. This is really low by Hollywood standards.

[Umbelina]

The article I read said "bitter divorce" and Eileen herself said the whole thing was difficult, his boys hated her at first, etc.

The papp photos were taken at Christmastime during Eileen and Vince's jaunt to Vegas. His WIFE filed for divorce a week later. Reports said that is how she found out, and Eileen said she wished Vince had been honest with her.

The similarities to Brandi are:

Both were lied to and only found out because of press about the cheating.

Both had two very young boys.

Both cheaters then married one another.

As for how Betsy (would have) handled it had she ever been on a reality show? Lot's of assumptions there. WHO KNOWS? Also, she wasn't on reality TV, and it sounds like Vince paid his alimony and child support without the constant court battles Brandi's had to have.

[zoeysmom]

The photo was taken December 30th-hence my reasoning that if Vince was taking a separate New Years' vacation most likely the separation was in the works. New Years' Day was on a Monday that year and the date of separation was on January 6th. My guess is if Eileen told her husband she had feelings for Vince back in October, word probably made its way to Betsy. A prudent thing to do for tax purposes is to file in the new year.

Reports and the parties involved are vastly different. No one has come up with a story where they have interviewed Betsy or Vince about the particulars or Betsy's feelings. When I see non-quotes, my assumption is the party wants to keep it private. She may be unlike say, Brandi, and not want revenge or be in a loveless marriage. Again I cite the fact he was absent for a major holiday. The report also made the ridiculous allegation they wore disguises and the photos show them not wearing disguises and open displays of public affection.

Here are Eileen's comments on being a stepmom. There is no mention of hate, to the contrary it is all about love, the only word used was "challenging" and that applied to the differing parenting styles. Eileen also said very nice things about Betsy. Over the years there have been several photographs of Betsy and Eileen at the same family functions. http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-5/blogs/eileen-davidson/eileen-being-a-stepmom-is So I am not sure where the hate comments came from.

Brandi and Eddie have a balance accounting formula for child support. Eddie took Brandi back to court because she had been overpaid. Don't know what actually happened but according to Brandi she got to keep the overpayment that Eddie was seeking to have deducted from her community share of his retirement. Brandi complains because she wants more and more money. She managed to earn a big chunk of change basically disparaging Eddie and LeAnn encouraged people not to buy her music and not to hire Eddie. So it is erroneous when she makes comments about not supporting his children, he and his wife provided a lovely home for the children, pay their health insurance, pay their school expenses. Brandi's battles are of her own making. brandi is legally required to support her children, what she can't handle is not getting spousal support disguised as child support.

You are right Brandi and Betsy had similarities they had two boys, their spouse left and married someone they became involved with during the marriage. Brandi begged to be on a reality show and landed the gig several years after the affair and marriage. I don't know of many people who have elected to handle things as poorly as Brandi. Being on reality TV had nothing to do with either divorce.

[Umbelina]

Eileen (first season) said Vince never told his wife. She found out, and Eileen wished he had told her, as she told Jon Lindstrom, her husband.

The internet was in it's infancy really.

I'm not saying that Betsy and Brandi are alike, I'm saying I get why Brandi could relate to what happened to Betsy. And possibly even see Eileen as another homewrecker, which, after all, she was.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Umbelina

[zoeysmom]

Eileen (first season) said Vince never told his wife. She found out, and Eileen wished he had told her, as she told Jon Lindstrom, her husband.

The internet was in it's infancy really.

I'm not saying that Betsy and Brandi are alike, I'm saying I get why Brandi could relate to what happened to Betsy. And possibly even see Eileen as another homewrecker, which, after all, she was.

I don't recall Eileen saying any such thing but at this point it is really moot. They are married have had a child and unlike Brandi don't seek to do battle over the demise of the marriages. I think it is difficult for people to accept marriages can end amicably. Kyle's first marriage ended amicably and her first husband uses Mauricio in his real estate dealings. Kim is best friends with her first ex. Camille not so much-she is angry and hurt and behaves a bit more like Brandi only with a much larger bank account.

It has nothing to do with the internet-the photos hit the tabloids. The endless retelling of the same story and unnamed sources and quotes has been going on long before the internet. The internet just increases the volume.

I would be devastated if my husband told me he wanted out of the marriage. However, I do not think the word home wrecker ever applies because no outside party steals or ruins another marriage. The person breaking up the home is the spouse that wants out. Marriage is a contract, when one wants out the basically terminate the contract.

I had to laugh when Brandi wrote in her blog that Jon sued Eileen for divorce and Betsy sued Vince for divorce. Actually, in California you don't sue for divorce. In Brandi's case Eddie (sued) filed for divorce from Brandi. A lot of hyperbole.

Of interest Jon Lindstrom's wife, Cady McClain was on "the Young and Restless" recently. Wonder how things went between she and Eileen?

[Umbelina]

Would you be more devastated if your husband continued to lie to you while banging a coworker for months, and then you, your friends, and your neighbors saw photos of them in the newspaper on a lover's getaway?

That is where I'm saying it was similar. How humiliating. Also, the two marriages were about the same duration, and as I said, love affair began on set, and with another actor, lies, exposed in press, not by the husband being honest with his wife.

I admire Eileen for trying to heal those wounds, and apparently being successful at it, with both the cheated-on scorned wife, and the bewildered little boys. I also admired her for being honest with Jon Lindstrom, and for wishing Vince had been (at least) that decent with Betsy.

Brandi may be completely unlike Betsy in other respects, but they did share humiliation, two boys, and the actor husband cheating with a babe he met on set.

God knows Eileen is nothing at all like Leann Rimes (other than the whole homewrecking thing.)

Edited January 16, 2016 by Umbelina

[zoeysmom]

Would you be more devastated if your husband continued to lie to you while banging a coworker for months, and then you, your friends, and your neighbors saw photos of them in the newspaper on a lover's getaway?

That is where I'm saying it was similar. How humiliating. Also, the two marriages were about the same duration, and as I said, love affair began on set, and with another actor, lies, exposed in press, not by the husband being honest with his wife.

I admire Eileen for trying to heal those wounds, and apparently being successful at it, with both the cheated-on scorned wife, and the bewildered little boys. I also admired her for being honest with Jon Lindstrom, and for wishing Vince had been (at least) that decent with Betsy.

Brandi may be completely unlike Betsy in other respects, but they did share humiliation, two boys, and the actor husband cheating with a babe he met on set.

God knows Eileen is nothing at all like Leann Rimes (other than the whole homewrecking thing.)

Vince marriage was almost twice as long as Brandi's. Now the two marriages are getting intermingled. Eileen had never said she and Vince banged for months. Again I don't believe Betsy found out from picking up a newspaper and I know Brandi didn't read about LeAnn and Eddie in the press -she heard it from a phone call made to her. I just am not assuming Betsy was humiliated. She seemed pretty ready to let go. Brandi, if she is to be believed, claimed Eddie wanted to stay married to her. You are only as humiliated as you allow yourself to be. The thing is there was so very little follow up at the time regarding the demise of the Van Patten marriage. Maybe in soap opera circles life imitates art?

[Umbelina]

Well, we disagree.

;)

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/08/eileen-davidson-vince-van-patten-rhobh-soap-star-affair/

Reportedly, both did sign a gag order.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Umbelina

[ryebread]

The photo was taken December 30th-hence my reasoning that if Vince was taking a separate New Years' vacation most likely the separation was in the works. New Years' Day was on a Monday that year and the date of separation was on January 6th.

My guess is that Vince told Betsy he had to host some poker gig in Vegas New Year's Eve, left the unsuspecting wife and the 5 & 7 year olds at home, and picked up Eileen on the way to the airport. I always heard that Betsey was blindsided by the papp pictures and filed for divorce the minute she could hire an attorney.

Regardless of how it actually went down, messy messy.

[zoeysmom]

My guess is that Vince told Betsy he had to host some poker gig in Vegas New Year's Eve, left the unsuspecting wife and the 5 & 7 year olds at home, and picked up Eileen on the way to the airport. I always heard that Betsey was blindsided by the papp pictures and filed for divorce the minute she could hire an attorney.

Regardless of how it actually went down, messy messy.

The point and it is lost is no one can produce a quote that claims this is the way it went down.  There is this amalgamation of bits and pieces that someone puts together to make it the true story.  There was no gag order.  There was an agreement between the parties no to disparage the other in front of the minor children. For Betsy to have found out about it in the press back then it would mean she would have had to be a reader of whatever tabloid put if out there a week after it happened?  By then according to their legal documents they had separated.  My point is these people (no offense Eileen, Vinnie) just weren't that compelling a news story.  To make it lively one has to behave like Brandi or have the notoriety of Angelina Jolie or apparently LeAnn Rimes.

 

Forever I have heard people say-leave before starting the affair.  Well Eileen left her husband before consummating the relationship with Vince and there are only two people who know what happened Vince and Eileen. 

[Umbelina]

Eileen's divorce wasn't final.  She TOLD him though, which was better than nothing.

 

We would know much more if it happened today, and there was a lot back then, but it's hard to do an internet search from 2000.  That source said they saw the divorce documents and there was a gag order.  Who knows?  We are all speculating here. 

 

Agree to disagree.  Some think she's a homewrecker, and Vince was a prick blindsiding his wife.  I DID hear Eileen say that she told Jon, and she wished Vince had told Betsy, but he didn't.  Some think it was just fine to be married and run away with another married person with small children for a long weekend, or that it was so long ago it shouldn't matter.  Some think (including all reports I could find, which yeah, sketchy) Betsy was blindsided and filed as soon as she could.  Some wonder if Vince would have ever divorced her and left his kids if she hadn't found out, or if he would have even married Eileen if she weren't 8 months pregnant at the time.

 

Or maybe that last one is just me?  ;)

Edited January 16, 2016 by Umbelina

[LIMOM]

Yup, she is a home wrecker.

You all know what they say:"if they do it with you, they'll do it to you."

Couldn't be me. Lol

[kokapetl]

A marriage can only be ruined by the 2 parties in the marriage.

[LIMOM]

A marriage can only be ruined by the 2 parties in the marriage.

True but when a married man with 2 kids under 10 approaches me, I let him know that I am not interested...

[RedheadZombie]

I don't think he's indigent, or has lost all his money. I just don't think he's a big earner, nor do I think he has the desire to be.

 

 Vince paid $4,500 a month in child support and $1,000.00 a month in spousal support through may of 2009.  If her made more than $150,000.00 annually he was to remit 1/3 of the net to Betsy.  

 

And perhaps quote #2 is the cause of quote #1.

[zoeysmom]

Eileen's divorce wasn't final.  She TOLD him though, which was better than nothing.

 

We would know much more if it happened today, and there was a lot back then, but it's hard to do an internet search from 2000.  That source said they saw the divorce documents and there was a gag order.  Who knows?  We are all speculating here. 

 

Agree to disagree.  Some think she's a homewrecker, and Vince was a prick blindsiding his wife.  I DID hear Eileen say that she told Jon, and she wished Vince had told Betsy, but he didn't.  Some think it was just fine to be married and run away with another married person with small children for a long weekend, or that it was so long ago it shouldn't matter.  Some think (including all reports I could find, which yeah, sketchy) Betsy was blindsided and filed as soon as she could.  Some wonder if Vince would have ever divorced her and left his kids if she hadn't found out, or if he would have even married Eileen if she weren't 8 months pregnant at the time.

 

Or maybe that last one is just me?  ;)

Many people date prior to the divorce being final.  Bethenny comes to mind-her divorce still isn't final.  Eileen has only said she told her ex-she was having feelings and left the marriage.  She has never said she was having sex with Vince while she was living and married to Jon.   To me, Betsy got rid of someone who was at the very least emotionally unfaithful.  I just don't want someone around who thinks they have the option of two relationships.  The fact the parties involved seemed to move on fairly quickly is indicative to me, Betsy knew the marriage was over, the parties did not want to blow a bunch of money on attorneys fees and they kept the best interests of the children paramount and in the case of Vince-future children.

 

I read and posted the divorce documents on this thread there was no "gag order".  the entire divorce and all its paperwork is public.  A gag order applies to an on going court case and the judge issues it to the parties and attorneys not to discuss it with the press, documents are filed under seal.  Different people read different things into documents.  I chose to read exactly what is in the official documents.  In this case, as is quite the norm in cases where the parties do not talk to the press, there is just a bunch of speculation.

 

Would Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt still be together if Jennifer did not find out about Angelina? Here is an interview with Jennifer 10 years after the fact:  http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jennifer-aniston-pantless-nobody-did-anything-wrong-in-pitt-split-2015211