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Ugh, I really liked that actress on Elementary and was thinking about watching that (I liked Romancing the Stone in all its cheesy glory back in the day), but with that review, nope.

Moving on, I remember whining a bit on this forum about my tendency to ship couples that obviously weren't endgame, and now (oops) I did it again. This time it's Doc and Wynonna on Wynonna Earp, and while it still seems like it could go either way (there's a central love triangle and the character have hooked up a couple of times), it still seems sorta unlikely (not as unlikely as my other current OTPs though *cough* Frank Castle/Karen Page *cough*). 

Kinda wanna watch something with happy ending to scratch my shipping urge. I accept recommendations. 

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For no reason at all, I'm really sad right now, and as a brown girl in the US, my depression is hitting an all time high. Gonna take a xanax, hug the cats, and go to bed. I love you all. Be good to on

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It's about time.  And since there were originally only supposed to be 12 Doctors, it's a good time for it.

At Wimbledon, a male spectator was shouting advice to one of the women players. So Kim Cjisters invited him down to the court to demonstrate.  And offered him a spare white skirt since he wasn't in official Wimbeldon whites:

https://www.indy100.com/article/wimbledon-fan-heckle-female-kim-clijsters-update-7843586?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

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catrox14

37 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

It's about time.  And since there were originally only supposed to be 12 Doctors, it's a good time for it.

At Wimbledon, a male spectator was shouting advice to one of the women players. So Kim Cjisters invited him down to the court to demonstrate.  And offered him a spare white skirt since he wasn't in official Wimbeldon whites:

https://www.indy100.com/article/wimbledon-fan-heckle-female-kim-clijsters-update-7843586?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

LOOOL I watched most of Wimbledon and missed this story. OMG that's hilarious.

Today, I was watching Fed and I think John or Pat McEnroe commented that Prince William was explaining something to Princess Kate about tennis and Chris Fowler said the following, which I cheered him saying. It was great.

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SleepDeprived

SleepDeprived

47 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

At Wimbledon, a male spectator was shouting advice to one of the women players. So Kim Cjisters invited him down to the court to demonstrate.  And offered him a spare white skirt since he wasn't in official Wimbeldon whites:

https://www.indy100.com/article/wimbledon-fan-heckle-female-kim-clijsters-update-7843586?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

Lol, Kim Clijsters! She's always been pretty easygoing and fun. When I used to watch tennis all the time, she was one of my faves, along with Justine Henin, and Serena Williams.

On a different topic, I finally got around to watching The Handmaid's Tale and OMG, that series absolutely wrecked me. While I highly recommend watching the series, I absolutely do not recommend bingeing it. It just weighs so heavily on you. My heart broke so many times at so many points in the series. With all the terrible stuff happening in real life, it's terrifying to think that such a dystopian society might not be so far-fetched, after all. Also, I have never been impressed with Alexis Bledel's acting before. She sure proved me wrong as Ofglen, though. She was amazingly brilliant in her scenes and had me bawling so much. I would not be at all surprised if she wins the Emmy for Guest Actress in a Drama. She deserves it! Way to go, Rory Gilmore.

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leopardprint

leopardprint

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14 minutes ago, SleepDeprived said:

Lol, Kim Clijsters! She's always been pretty easygoing and fun. When I used to watch tennis all the time, she was one of my faves, along with Justine Henin, and Serena Williams.

On a different topic, I finally got around to watching The Handmaid's Tale and OMG, that series absolutely wrecked me. While I highly recommend watching the series, I absolutely do not recommend bingeing it. It just weighs so heavily on you. My heart broke so many times at so many points in the series. With all the terrible stuff happening in real life, it's terrifying to think that such a dystopian society might not be so far-fetched, after all. Also, I have never been impressed with Alexis Bledel's acting before. She sure proved me wrong as Ofglen, though. She was amazingly brilliant in her scenes and had me bawling so much. I would not be at all surprised if she wins the Emmy for Guest Actress in a Drama. She deserves it! Way to go, Rory Gilmore.

She has those beautiful, piercing eyes and she and the director made such good use of them. It is definitely a timely, disturbing but excellent series. 

Margaret Atwood said that everything that happened in the book/series has really happened somewhere before. 

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statsgirl

statsgirl

Margaret Atwood says that she writes speculative fiction, not science fiction because it has all already happened.  She donated boxes and boxes of clippings and articles that she had collected while writing Handmaid's Tale to the Robarts Library.

Season one ends with the end of the book.  It will be interesting to see where it goes in season two.

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Morrigan2575

Morrigan2575

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23 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

I wasn't on Twitter yesterday so I missed all the man rage. What are your friend's objections, beyond that the Doctor is a woman? 

There's a discussion going on on the pretv Doctor Who board. I was surprised that quite a few woman were upset as well.

Not sure why but apparently, a shape shifting 1200 year old alien becoming female is insulting 50 years of Who history...

The way i look at it, The Doctor was only supposed to have 12 regenerations (female will be Thirteen) and, he was given a whole new set by Galifrey when Eleven was close to dying for good. Plus his oldest friend/nemesis (The Master) regenerated into a female (Missy) not thast long ago.

I can easily see both In and Out of Story reasons for the Doctor to regenerate as a female this time around. 

Personally, i think it's an interesting shakeup and gives them more stories to play around with.

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SmallScreenDiva

SmallScreenDiva

20 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

There's a discussion going on on the pretv Doctor Who board. I was surprised that quite a few woman were upset as well.

Not sure why but apparently, a shape shifting 1200 year old alien becoming female is insulting 50 years of Who history...

The way i look at it, The Doctor was only supposed to have 12 regenerations (female will be Thirteen) and, he was given a whole new set by Galifrey when Eleven was close to dying for good. Plus his oldest friend/nemesis (The Master) regenerated into a female (Missy) not thast long ago.

I can easily see both In and Out of Story reasons for the Doctor to regenerate as a female this time around. 

Personally, i think it's an interesting shakeup and gives them more stories to play around with.

Thanks! I think I'll take a peek at the DW PTV forum. I agree with your take, I'm looking forward to seeing what stories they come up with this time. I'm sure they're gonna do a nod and wink at it but I hope the stories are not centered on the Doctor being female. 

Morrigan2575

Morrigan2575

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8 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

Thanks! I think I'll take a peek at the DW PTV forum. I agree with your take, I'm looking forward to seeing what stories they come up with this time. I'm sure they're gonna do a nod and wink at it but I hope the stories are not centered on the Doctor being female. 

I tuned put because of Moffat and, i didn't really connect with Capaldi/Twelve (probably because of the way Moffat handled the Clara/Doctor relationship) . I was planning on going back for the new Doctor/Showrunner anyway, this just adds some fun/excitement for me.

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SmallScreenDiva

SmallScreenDiva

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19 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I tuned put because of Moffat and, i didn't really connect with Capaldi (probably because of the way Moffat handled the Clara/Doctor relatuonshipt) . I was planning on going back for the new Doctor/Showrunner anyway, this just adds some fun/excitement for me.

DW actually lost me sometime during Eleven's last season. I couldn't take Clara (I know it's not the actress because I love her in "Victoria"). Moffat was good for oneshots, IMO, but it felt like the mythology got convoluted with him as showrunner. I was going to check out the new series, too, after reading Chibnall got the job. 

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Morrigan2575

Morrigan2575

6 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

DW actually lost me sometime during Eleven's last season. I couldn't take Clara (I know it's not the actress because I love her in "Victoria"). Moffat was good for oneshots, IMO, but it felt like the mythology got convoluted with him as showrunner. I was going to check out the new series, too, after reading Chibnall got the job. 

Yeah, Moffat went overboard trying to make Clara the most special companion eva!

I still loved Eleven so i put up with it but, Clara/Twelve were so dysfunctional I couldn't connect with him and hated Clara.

Starfish35

Starfish35

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10 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Clara/Twelve were so dysfunctional I couldn't connect with him and hated Clara.

Yeah Twelve and Clara may have put me off Doctor Who for good.  I actually liked Clara with Eleven, but for whatever reason I just found her insufferable with Twelve.  I barely made it through season eight, and haven't had any desire to pick it up since then.  Even this latest announcement only got a mild "huh, interesting" reaction out of me. 

I did watch "The Husbands of River Song" though, and enjoyed that.  But that was mainly because I wanted to see River again.

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Morrigan2575

Morrigan2575

1 minute ago, Starfish35 said:

Yeah Twelve and Clara may have put me off Doctor Who for good.  I actually liked Clara with Eleven, but for whatever reason I just found her insufferable with Twelve.  I barely made it through season eight, and haven't haven't had any desire to pick it up since then.  Even this latest announcement only got a mild "huh, interesting" reaction out of me. 

That's how i was with Rose. I loved Rose/Nine, i hated Rose/Ten. I hated them together and after Rose left, I continued to hate Ten. I gave up on Doctor Who half way through Ten/Martha. Lpved Martha hated Ten and how he treated her. I didn't star liking Ten again until Donna. Then i loved Eleven, Rory, Amy and River.

Starfish35

Starfish35

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4 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

That's how i was with Rose. I loved Rose/Nine, i hated Rose/Ten. I hated them together and after Rose left, I continued to hate Ten. I gave up on Doctor Who half way through Ten/Martha. Lpved Martha hated Ten and how he treated her. I didn't star liking Ten again until Donna. Then i loved Eleven, Rory, Amy and River.

Yeah season five is my favorite season.  

I don't know that I hated Ten, but I wasn't sorry to see him go, and I didn't care for Ten/Rose either.  I did make it all the way through Martha's season, but it was....frustrating.  But Donna's season was awesome.  Well, until the end.  I hated her ending. 

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tv echo

tv echo

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I'm psyched about the upcoming Psych holiday movie (warning: spoilers) - but I'm sorry to hear about Timothy Omundson (hope he's doing okay!)...

First look at Team Psych's harrowing reunion in Psych: The Movie
Plus: James Roday, Dulé Hill, and series creator Steve Franks share 5 things you need to know about the holiday special
CHANCELLOR AGARD  JULY 16, 2017 
http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/16/psych-the-movie-reunion-first-look-exclusive/

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2. Timothy Omundson will appear in the film in some way 
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You’ve no doubt noticed that one important face is missing from that group shot: Timothy Omundson, who plays Detective Lassiter. Omundson is absent from the from the reunion because he suffered a stroke shortly before production began on the movie, which meant Franks and Roday, who co-wrote the script, had to rework the story.

“[Omundson’s stroke] kind of forced us to rethink a lot. First and foremost, whether or not we should be making this movie — if it even made sense and if the timing was right or not. Then beyond that creatively, how do we make that work?” says Roday, who characterizes Omundson’s recovery as “remarkable.”

After talking with Omundson and his family, they decided to forge ahead and actually found a way for their friend to be part of the experience in some capacity. “There is most definitely a way that he appears in the movie,” says Franks. “We haven’t gotten to that point [in the editing process, yet]. I can’t say for 100 percent sure that he will, but I can say like 99.99 percent that we did everything we can to get Tim in the movie.”

Roday adds: “I think we found the best way possible to keep Lassiter very much a part of what we do, set him up to succeed in the future, and still give all of our Psych-Os an opportunity to see that ridiculously handsome mug of his.”

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statsgirl

statsgirl

The idea of a female Doctor has been around for a long time.  Sydney Newman, one of the co-creators of the original Doctor, made it one of his suggestions in a 1986 memo as a way to shake up the doldrums that the series had fallen into.  (It was the time of the sixth doctor, Colin Baker.)

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"At a later stage, Doctor Who should be metamorphosed into a woman," Canadian TV producer Sydney Newman wrote to BBC Chairman Michael Grade in 1986.  

"This requires some considerable thought — mainly because I want to avoid a flashy, Hollywood Wonder Woman because this kind of heroine with no flaws is a bore. Given more time than I have now, I can create such a character."

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BkWurm1

BkWurm1

On 7/17/2017 at 8:51 AM, SmallScreenDiva said:

I wasn't on Twitter yesterday so I missed all the man rage. What are your friend's objections, beyond that the Doctor is a woman? 

His official line is "it already sucks so I might as well quit now".  He wanted it to be a Willaim Hartnell look alike to bring it full circle (I think he wanted it to BE the first doctor just played by a different actor) and is disappointed that didn't happen.  When pressed he admits to liking plenty of things but  also complains about the duex machina solutions to the finale (I have not yet caught up on that season so no spoilers please, lol). I'm badgering him with the "you have to at least give it a try" adage right now.  

Delphi

Delphi

I haven't watched seriously since halfway through eleven.  Clara got to be a bit much for me.  People suggest its her being bossy and grating, but my favourite companion is Donna Noble and she's not exactly a pushover.   I have no problem with strong women characters,  that's for sure.  In fact they tend to be the reasons I'll tune into shows.  So I'm pretty flummoxed as to why I'm so on the fence about a female Doctor.   Narratively it seems like a fresh idea and about time.   The best that I can come up with is that I'm worried that the writers won't be able to help themselves about making the woman a huge deal and mention it too frequently,  I don't even know if I am capable of putting that into a way that makes logics sense, just that it was never a big deal that the Doctor was male, he was just the Doctor.   And I suppose secondly,  and far less of an issue for me but possibly a bigger one for others.   I tend to have silly boy crushes on the Doctors.  I can't personally have a stupid fake crush on Jodie,  and that's completely biased on my part and will totally admit that.

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Chaser

Chaser

I'm on the fence too. I don't think there is a problem with The Doctor being a woman and I'm excited to see where it goes, I'm just cautious about it. I don't want them to be so heavy handed that it undermines what they are doing. I want it to still be The Doctor not a completely different character just because they are writing a female character.

I really hope they nail this. 

I get the crushing on The Doctor thing too. Lol

BkWurm1

BkWurm1

2 hours ago, Chaser said:

I get the crushing on The Doctor thing too. Lol

I'm still crushing on Tennant, Smith and Tennant's father in law, Peter Davidson.  

 

2 hours ago, Chaser said:

on the fence too. I don't think there is a problem with The Doctor being a woman and I'm excited to see where it goes, I'm just cautious about it. I don't want them to be so heavy handed that it undermines what they are doing. I want it to still be The Doctor not a completely different character just because they are writing a female character.

Yeah, there's always a fair chance they'll botch this up but if they write the Doctor first as the Doctor and let a minor detail like gender just be there like Capaldi having a brogue or Smith's chin having its own zip code or Tennant's soulful eyes, they should be good.  

That's really the only concern I have.  Will she be recognizable as the Doctor?  If they try to take away his/her manic energy and incredible ego to make her easier for the dude bros to handle, then I'll have a problem, otherwise, looking forward to the next chapter.  

statsgirl

statsgirl

I think it's a great idea.  After 54 years, the storylines for a male doctor were were getting repetitive both in past and future.

7 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:

I'm still crushing on Tennant, Smith and Tennant's father in law, Peter Davidson. 

I like Tennant and Capaldi.  I was working with someone today whose favourite is Patrick Troughton.  Peter Davison is a sweetheart at cons.  But Tom Baker will always be my Doctor.

BkWurm1

BkWurm1

28 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I like Tennant and Capaldi.  I was working with someone today whose favourite is Patrick Troughton.  Peter Davison is a sweetheart at cons.  But Tom Baker will always be my Doctor.

 

He was a wonderful fit.  Before the reboot, I used to say that Tom Baker was the best Doctor even if Davidson was my favorite. (Forgive me, I shipped him and Tegan.  Some of the book versions of the episodes really pushed the idea.)   

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LeighAn

LeighAn

19 minutes ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

So I continued watching Smallville and it's weird because I actually like Lex/Lana, Lois/Oliver and Clark/Chloe. I mean, if I didn't know anything and just got plopped in the middle of the show, I'd think these are the actual pairings.

Where are you up to?

Without getting too spoiler-y Lex and Lana are and interesting pairing and will become more Macbeth-like, it's not that I'd say I ship it but I think they are a far more complex pairing which the makes them more compelling then the Clark/Lana pairing which like Lauriver just brings out the worst characters traits in both Clark and Lana;  Lois and Oliver are cute and I like the Clark Chloe friendship.

 

I know this isn't a popular choice with some here (sorry @BkWurm1) but I still have a soft spot for the Clark/Lois episodes/seasons just because when we get to the later seasons I think Lois as a character does the same things Felicity as a character did for Oliver (even though Olicity are superior) in that in scenes with her Clark goes from a brooding stiff character/actor to someone who lightens up, smiles, has fun and actually glows as a character. Plus they have great chemistry particularly in seasons 9 and 10.

 

Also I'm impartial to Chloe and Oliver since I felt like that had excellent chemistry an interesting premise for a relationship and where the most adult and mature exploration of a couple on a show that isn't without melodrama.

SmallScreenDiva

SmallScreenDiva

59 minutes ago, LeighAn said:

Where are you up to?

Without getting too spoiler-y Lex and Lana are and interesting pairing and will become more Macbeth-like, it's not that I'd say I ship it but I think they are a far more complex pairing which the makes them more compelling then the Clark/Lana pairing which like Lauriver just brings out the worst characters traits in both Clark and Lana;  Lois and Oliver are cute and I like the Clark Chloe friendship.

I know this isn't a popular choice with some here (sorry @BkWurm1) but I still have a soft spot for the Clark/Lois episodes/seasons just because when we get to the later seasons I think Lois as a character does the same things Felicity as a character did for Oliver (even though Olicity are superior) in that in scenes with her Clark goes from a brooding stiff character/actor to someone who lightens up, smiles, has fun and actually glows as a character. Plus they have great chemistry particularly in seasons 9 and 10.

Also I'm impartial to Chloe and Oliver since I felt like that had excellent chemistry an interesting premise for a relationship and where the most adult and mature exploration of a couple on a show that isn't without melodrama.

I think third episode since Oliver Queen was introduced ... Clark just found out his secret. I think you're right about the Lana/Lex pairing being more compelling. I watched the early seasons when it first aired and I just couldn't get into Clark and Lana. I think it also helps that Michael Rosenbaum is one of those actors who has easy chemistry with a lot of people.

I'm really looking forward to seeing Oliver and Chloe meet.

29 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

Is Victoria as good as the Emily Blunt movie? Cuz I adored the movie. 

I read up on Albert and apparently he was very involved in raising his kids.

I enjoyed Victoria ... it doesn't quite cover the same time period as Emily Blunt's movie. So there's a lot more details about her early life as queen and a lot more of her first prime minister ;)

LeighAn

LeighAn

1 hour ago, Mellowyellow said:

Is Victoria as good as the Emily Blunt movie? Cuz I adored the movie. 

I read up on Albert and apparently he was very involved in raising his kids.

I think you'll like it. It takes a couple of eps before Albert comes in though but it's a lot more fleshed out then the movie which I loved but thought it was a very shallow exploration of Victoria's reign and relationship with Albert.

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BkWurm1

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I know this isn't a popular choice with some here (sorry @BKWURM1) but I still have a soft spot for the Clark/Lois episodes/seasons just because when we get to the later seasons I think Lois as a character does the same things Felicity as a character did for Oliver (even though Olicity are superior) in that in scenes with her Clark goes from a brooding stiff character/actor to someone who lightens up, smiles, has fun and actually glows as a character. Plus they have great chemistry particularly in seasons 9 and 10

I won't deny that in season 9 Lois was the only character that Clark would soften up around, but that was part of what made me rage so hard since it was never like that before and I couldn't help feeling it was a disaster if to make Lois start to work, it took tanking Clark's relationships with literally EVERYONE else he knows.  Grr, the frustrations still badly stings.   I've never hated a character as much as I hated Clark that season.  Never.  

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LeighAn

LeighAn

3 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

Is Albert impressive in the Victoria series? Cuz I kinda like the vibe of Victoria and Melbourne in the series whereas I thought she was adorable with Albert in the Emily Blunt movie.

I think so. He has a couple of swoon worthy moments while wooing Victoria. Pretty much once Albert shows up Victoria sort of forgets Melbourne.

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LeighAn

LeighAn

11 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

But I couldn't forget him. Rufus Sewell and the way he played pining, honorable Melbourne made Albert pale in comparison for me.  I ended up ditching the series and looking for historically inaccurate fanfic :P

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I thought Rufus Sewell and the Melbourne/Victoria relationship was well acted and they had good chemistry but I found myself rejecting the couple because I was worried that they were going to undermine Victoria/Albert. I was like full "Comic Canon bitches!" like GA/BC fans :P ?

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lemotomato

lemotomato

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1 hour ago, LeighAn said:

I thought Rufus Sewell and the Melbourne/Victoria relationship was well acted and they had good chemistry but I found myself rejecting the couple because I was worried that they were going to undermine Victoria/Albert. I was like full "Comic Canon bitches!" like GA/BC fans :P ?

lol... I'm not really attached to the real story (although I know they're one of the most devoted famous couples in history) and I can't take Albert seriously with that mustache. So that's entirely my own biases at play :D

The chemistry between Albert and Victoria is so real that the actors are dating in real life, so there's that! 

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JenMD

JenMD

55 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

But I couldn't forget him. Rufus Sewell and the way he played pining, honorable Melbourne made Albert pale in comparison for me.  I ended up ditching the series and looking for historically inaccurate fanfic :P

Yeah, I did make it to the end but I finished it annoyed that I wasn't more won over by Albert and Victoria's love story.  I mean, I know the history, but I was just so bowled over by the way Rufus Sewell played Lord M that I knew the actor playing Albert was going to have to be something special and I was left with "eh".  I much preferred "Young Victoria" for the V&A love story. 

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