Beth: You're going to miss me when I'm gone...

[diebartdie]

Exactly! Beth WASN'T ignorant of basic biology, otherwise that shitty physician would not have had her acting as a nurse! EVEN IF everything ELSE went down exactly like it did, Beth should have AT LEAST drawn BLOOD. See I am all pissed off and it boils down to it was a stupid pointless death that did not serve the arc Beth had been given this season! I mean, it would have been OOC for Beth to slash Dawn's face but then again, one line of dialog could have justified it, the rest of the scene could have played out exactly like it did and it would have worked. OR instead of jabbing the toy scissors where she did, Beth could have jabbed them in Dawn's neck (call back to the first episode of the season) and the entire scene could have played out exactly the same and it would have worked.

 

Beth was still a little naive, but she wasn't stupid; jabbing those scissors where she did is what made that scene so incredibly stupid I think.

[mightysparrow]

@NoWillToResist, that petition is the reason I think the writers went for a head shot.  They know who they're dealing with.

[NoWillToResist]

@NoWillToResist, that petition is the reason I think the writers went for a head shot.  They know who they're dealing with.

 

I assumed it was so that they didn't have to linger over Beth's body and have someone stab her so that she wouldn't turn. They wanted to go from their cheap shock to the "big emotional devastation" of Maggie with no interruptions.

 

I would dearly love stats on the demographic who signed that petition. I mean, I get being sad/angry/disappointed. I can even understand an angry letter writing campaign, a boycott campaign...anything like that. But a campaign to bring back a character who had a big-ass hole blown clear through her skull? How do they suggest TPTB bring her back??? Do they think no later eps have been written and filmed already? Do they think TPTB will go, hat in hand, to the network to apologize for wasting their budget on a season they will have to say wasn't real in order to bring back a character, who only just recently got any attention in the narrative? I simply do not understand..

Edited December 2, 2014 by NoWillToResist

[mightysparrow]

I assumed it was so that they didn't have to linger over Beth's body and have someone stab her so that she wouldn't turn. They wanted to go from their cheap shock to the "big emotional devastation" of Maggie with no interruptions.

 

I would dearly love stats on the demographic who signed that petition. I mean, I get being sad/angry/disappointed. I can even understand an angry letter writing campaign, a boycott campaign...anything like that. But a campaign to bring back a character who had a big-ass hole blown clear through her skull? How do they suggest TPTB bring her back??? Do they think no later eps have been written and filmed already? Do they think TPTB will go, hat in hand, to the network to apologize for wasting their budget on a season they will have to say wasn't real in order to bring back a character, who only just recently got any attention in the narrative? I simply do not understand..

 

Well, they are in a HOSPITAL, after all!

[natyxg]

What I am most bothered about is that Beth chose to either non-fatally stab an armed woman, just because she wanted to leave with a giant FU to Dawn; or, she's the most incompetent wanna-be murderer ever. Who stabs a (covered!) collarbone when there's an exposed neck right there? She was Hershel's kid...she must know a good place to stab if you wanna kill someone or seriously wound them. Or fuck, watched a movie one time?

 

I agree completely. It made no sense to me whatsoever. I don’t know if it was scripted that way or if it was a decision made on the day, but it made no sense. She should've gone for the neck, and they could've killed each other or something.

[Ocean Chick]

I assumed it was so that they didn't have to linger over Beth's body and have someone stab her so that she wouldn't turn. They wanted to go from their cheap shock to the "big emotional devastation" of Maggie with no interruptions.

 

I would dearly love stats on the demographic who signed that petition. I mean, I get being sad/angry/disappointed. I can even understand an angry letter writing campaign, a boycott campaign...anything like that. But a campaign to bring back a character who had a big-ass hole blown clear through her skull? How do they suggest TPTB bring her back??? Do they think no later eps have been written and filmed already? Do they think TPTB will go, hat in hand, to the network to apologize for wasting their budget on a season they will have to say wasn't real in order to bring back a character, who only just recently got any attention in the narrative? I simply do not understand..

 

Well, they did resurrect SWC on Prison Break, didn't they?  After her head was supposedly disconnected from her body?  LOL

[weightyghost]

But we never SAW the head....Lincoln was just stupid enough to mistake it...shhh (PB and SWC is one of the main reasons why I couldn't completely hate Lori)

I kind of think the petition is also offensive to all the other actors we've lost. You don't think TDog was taken too soon? Or Herschel didn't have more to offer? Andrea had more fight? Most characters are taken too soon. If they don't get that after 5 seasons, well....

[kikismom]

You know that now somebody's going to start a petition to Keep Beth Dead. Or, Shoot Her Again! (Probably Jimmy Kimmel.) I don't know if her fans just thought it would comfort the actress, but these things have a way of backfiring in the internetz.

[Disraeli Ears]

I would dearly love stats on the demographic who signed that petition. I mean, I get being sad/angry/disappointed. I can even understand an angry letter writing campaign, a boycott campaign...anything like that. But a campaign to bring back a character who had a big-ass hole blown clear through her skull?.

Carol could have made it - just a flesh wound for her. ;)

Seriously though, I am not surprised about the petition. People seem to think petitions are magic or something.

[Ocean Chick]

But think about it guys.  If Beth thought that stabbing Dawn with those itty bitty scissors was going to do anything, she clearly wasn't using much of her brains, so it doesn't matter if most of them are currently covering Rick.  She can live without them obviously.  So yes, they could bring her back to life.  Heh.

[AngelaHunter]

I would dearly love stats on the demographic who signed that petition.

 

Oh, probably about 4,000 Daryl/Beth fanfic writers whose heads imploded after this episode.

[Iguessnot]

The scissor stab was incredibly stupid. However a nice roundhouse bitch slap would have been a nice emotional release before biting the bullet.

[BrokenRemote]

You know that now somebody's going to start a petition to Keep Beth Dead. Or, Shoot Her Again! (Probably Jimmy Kimmel.) I don't know if her fans just thought it would comfort the actress, but these things have a way of backfiring in the internetz.

This is true.

 

I'm guessing that TPTB knew exactly what the backlash would be, but still were willing to go ahead knowing it was not a major percentage of their viewers.  And a petition like that just puts the show in the news, which generates 'buzz', which is as good as free publicity.

[ghoulina]

I kind of think the petition is also offensive to all the other actors we've lost. You don't think TDog was taken too soon? Or Herschel didn't have more to offer? Andrea had more fight? Most characters are taken too soon. If they don't get that after 5 seasons, well....

 

I'm going to start a Bring Back Jim! petition. We never actually saw him die. Who's to say some scientist didn't find him along that route, cure him, and has been trying to get around the country curing this thing ever since? Mmmhmmm. 

[nodorothyparker]

We never saw Jaqui actually explode into a ball of fire either.  She could still be roaming around Atlanta somewhere.  Make sure you add her to the petition.

[NoWillToResist]

Jesus Christ. At least proof-read your fucking petition ("ecspecially"? "threw away a perfectly good potentional character"? "could relate too"? "irreverisble"?

 

It has 5,183 supporters so far.

 

I'm still laughing at the "good potential character" bit...so the creator of the petition is saying that Beth wasn't even a character yet? Heh.

Edited December 2, 2014 by NoWillToResist

[nodorothyparker]

Thanks for posting that link.  I hadn't cared enough to go looking for it but it was an entertaining read nonetheless.  My picture of who exactly makes up this demographic is solidifying.

[editorgrrl]

At least proof-read your fucking petition ("ecspecially"? "threw away a perfectly good potentional character"? "could relate too"? "irreverisble"?

 

I can forgive the spelling and grammar. (Never thought I'd say that, ever!) What I cannot get past is this:

Beth was a symbol of hope that a lot of women could relate too and see themselves in (ecspecially self-harmers who saw her as someone who overcame their suicidal/depressive feelings). By sloppily killing her just shows that she was used to further a man's (Daryl's) storyline.

 

[NoWillToResist]

Yeah, I didn't want to touch on that. I guess we'll see in 2015 whether Maggie's loss of a sister is overshadowed by Daryl's loss of...whatever Beth was to him. The one minute of screen time which followed the death wasn't really enough for me to draw my final conclusion. ;)

Edited December 2, 2014 by NoWillToResist

[AngelaHunter]

Quote

"could relate too"? "irreverisble"?

 

Definitely fanfiction writers, who can't write a single grammatically correct sentence to save their lives. I don't mean all of them, but the people who are able to write properly are few and far between.

Edited December 2, 2014 by AngelaHunter

[ghoulina]

I could relate TOO little to Beth. Maybe that's what they meant? 

[NoWillToResist]

No. I didn't want to cite the whole sentence but it was not the correct "too" to use.

 

For the sake of clarity, the statement was this: "Beth was a symbol of hope that a lot of women could relate too".

 

I know that, as a human female, my goal in life is to be a symbol rather than a person. /sarcasm

 

The poster clearly made an error when they put "good potentional character" (a character who has potential is not the same thing as a potential character) but I can't help but laugh at their actual choice of words.

 

I'm worried about Emily Thrace though. She was a big fan of Beth and I haven't seen her here since the ep aired. I honestly hope she's not too devastated by the episode.

Edited December 2, 2014 by NoWillToResist

[ghoulina]

No. I didn't want to cite the whole sentence but it was not the correct "too" to use.

For the sake of clarity, the statement was this: "Beth was a symbol of hope that a lot of women could relate too".

 

LOL, sorry, I was being facetious. 

[NoWillToResist]

LOL, sorry, I was being facetious. 

 

Heh. Sorry about that!

 

*watches as things go over my head, as usual*  :D

[Ocean Chick]

So a little over 5,000 have signed so far.  And TWD usually has between 14-18 million viewers.

 

Yeah, I don't think the show runners are too worried about losing their sizeable fan base yet.

[nodorothyparker]

https://www.facebook.com/BethGreeneDeservedBetter

 

They're calling to flood the show with spoons to demand that it all have been a Bobby Ewing style dream sequence by Carol.

[Ocean Chick]

So at least the show runners will never run out of spoons now?  And why should it be Carol's dream?  So that the Carol haters will have yet another reason to hate her?  Or is she supposed to be jealous of Daryl and Beth's friendship?  Does she even know that Daryl and Beth have spoken more than 5 sentences to each other?  Am I missing something?

[Pete Martell]

I assumed it was so that they didn't have to linger over Beth's body and have someone stab her so that she wouldn't turn. They wanted to go from their cheap shock to the "big emotional devastation" of Maggie with no interruptions.

 

I would dearly love stats on the demographic who signed that petition. I mean, I get being sad/angry/disappointed. I can even understand an angry letter writing campaign, a boycott campaign...anything like that. But a campaign to bring back a character who had a big-ass hole blown clear through her skull? How do they suggest TPTB bring her back??? Do they think no later eps have been written and filmed already? Do they think TPTB will go, hat in hand, to the network to apologize for wasting their budget on a season they will have to say wasn't real in order to bring back a character, who only just recently got any attention in the narrative? I simply do not understand..

 

I think a lot of people may just be using the petition to vent. They likely know she isn't coming back, but they are unhappy with how she was treated and fans were treated.

 

I can understand feeling misled and conned, especially with the "Bethyl" stuff that I don't think the show ever should have started in the first place, and which overshadowed so much else and led to fan wars. 

 

What bothers me is when people assume no other actor has been let go this way, or that it was a big conspiracy and Norman Reedus and Andrew Lincoln were kept in the dark because they would have fought to save her (Andrew lost Sarah Wayne Callies, whom he clearly adored and is still close to - why would Beth be his hill to die on?), or when they go around and tell other fans to quit watching. A Beth fan was going around telling Michonne fans to stop watching because Gimple, Hurd, and Nicotero are all full of shit and don't believe Gimple, he's a liar, and "Richonne" will never happen, people will just be strung along, and all I kept thinking was how disrespectful it is to Danai to try to get her fans to stop watching her. The show has not baited "Richonne" fans (there have been zero promises, and Andrew and Danai seem more bemused than anything else), many Michonne fans don't want her with Rick, and Michonne fans seem more than capable of calling the show to the carpet and moving on if she isn't being treated the right way. 

 

Danai has worked so hard on this character and it peeves me that anyone is asking her fans to stop watching.

[NoWillToResist]

 

https://www.facebook...eDeservedBetter

 

Fancy poster...think they realize that "message" is not spelled "mesage"? ;)

 

So, Beth finding a Washington, DC spoon was foreshadowing that she was supposed to go to Washington with everyone else, but since TPTB have killed her off, that's evidence that they "changed their minds and Beth's destiny"?

 

Also, I'm sorry but "Daryl can't believe there is good after something like this"? Holy fuck.

[Pete Martell]

So at least the show runners will never run out of spoons now?  And why should it be Carol's dream?  So that the Carol haters will have yet another reason to hate her?  Or is she supposed to be jealous of Daryl and Beth's friendship?  Does she even know that Daryl and Beth have spoken more than 5 sentences to each other?  Am I missing something?

 

Carol being in a coma is probably why she was mentioned.

 

I saw someone else say Sasha could have dreamt the whole thing when she was knocked out. I guess I would believe that a little more...

[NoWillToResist]

So at least the show runners will never run out of spoons now?  And why should it be Carol's dream?  So that the Carol haters will have yet another reason to hate her?  Or is she supposed to be jealous of Daryl and Beth's friendship?  Does she even know that Daryl and Beth have spoken more than 5 sentences to each other?  Am I missing something?

 

I say in for a penny in for a pound: let's have it be BETH'S dream. She's having a vivid dream after the moonshine back at the cabin with Daryl. People complained that Beth had no reaction to it, so, two problems solved! ;)

 

And this:

 

journey was cut short and she died before she was able to fulfill the potential of her character and story

 

really frustrates me. Which character died having had all their potential explored? I'd argue none.

[Pete Martell]

Take it from a former soap fan (well, not former if you count The Doctors reruns - if you have Retro TV please watch The Doctors!), sending things to TPTB does not work. They hate it. Sometimes it can go to a good cause (when a popular ATWT character named "Connor" was recast and the original actor fired, some fans sent in canned food that could be donated to food banks, with notes saying "Can-her,"), but even then, it's just not a good idea. Often it just angers TPTB. Fans of a DAYS couple spent a lot of money on expensive bedding to let the show know they wanted the characters to have a sex scene. TPTB then used the bedding to give another couple a sex scene.

 

If the show has any reaction, it may just be to cast another young blonde actress for a character named Beverly, and have Daryl fuck her on top of a pile of plastic spoons.

[NoWillToResist]

.

 

If the show has any reaction, it may just be to cast another young blonde actress for a character named Beverly, and have Daryl fuck her on top of a pile of plastic spoons.

 

Heh. Call the character "Bethany" and I think you've got something... ;)

 

I find their choice of item very curious. I appreciated that they explained the spoon selection, because...really? I wouldn't equate "spoon" with Beth. Is there not a better symbol to represent her? Why not scissors? Razor blades? Locks of blond hair? A light bulb (for the light she brought to the world)? A music CD of folk songs? Yellow shirts? ...

Edited December 3, 2014 by NoWillToResist

[Pete Martell]

That might just be going a bit too far...although the show could announce they're casting Beth's long-lost twin, presumed dead at birth, and then say at the last minute that the twin is fraternal. 

 

I'm pretty sure there would be picketing.

Edited December 2, 2014 by Pete Martell

[mightysparrow]

I think a lot of people may just be using the petition to vent. They likely know she isn't coming back, but they are unhappy with how she was treated and fans were treated.

 

I can understand feeling misled and conned, especially with the "Bethyl" stuff that I don't think the show ever should have started in the first place, and which overshadowed so much else and led to fan wars. 

 

What bothers me is when people assume no other actor has been let go this way, or that it was a big conspiracy and Norman Reedus and Andrew Lincoln were kept in the dark because they would have fought to save her (Andrew lost Sarah Wayne Callies, whom he clearly adored and is still close to - why would Beth be his hill to die on?), or when they go around and tell other fans to quit watching. A Beth fan was going around telling Michonne fans to stop watching because Gimple, Hurd, and Nicotero are all full of shit and don't believe Gimple, he's a liar, and "Richonne" will never happen, people will just be strung along, and all I kept thinking was how disrespectful it is to Danai to try to get her fans to stop watching her. The show has not baited "Richonne" fans (there have been zero promises, and Andrew and Danai seem more bemused than anything else), many Michonne fans don't want her with Rick, and Michonne fans seem more than capable of calling the show to the carpet and moving on if she isn't being treated the right way. 

 

Danai has worked so hard on this character and it peeves me that anyone is asking her fans to stop watching.

 

Both of the Daryl related fan groups have tried to use Michonne and her fans for their own benefit.  A lot of Caryl fans are the loudest 'Richonne' supporters.  The idea behind this is apparently they want Michonne out of circulation so she's not a 'threat' to Carol. I agree with you that Danai and Andrew do seem to be amused by 'Richonne ' and haven't said a word in favour of it since it became a 'ship'. 

 

Danai is waaaaaaay too smart to get involved in any of this bullshit.  When she's not filming TWD, she's busy writing award winning plays and speaking out about violence against women.  She's got bigger fish to fry.

[Pete Martell]

I'd love for "Richonne" to happen (I don't think it will), I just don't care for it being used as a club against characters or actors. I think actors getting involved in shipping is a bad idea. Last season it felt like the actors did get dragged into the wars over who will win Daryl's various body parts, although Melissa McBride seems to try to stay out of it too.

 

I think Beth/Daryl fans were led on, but ultimately people should remember to keep any "shipping" expectations low, as this is not a show about romance, and any character who isn't Daryl, and maybe Rick and Carl, can go.

 

If one of my favorite characters were killed off I might be acting this way too, but I'd like to think I wouldn't. It's OK to be angry and feel like the show let the character and actress down, to feel like the shipping furor the show enabled was counterproductive, but sending silly things to TPTB and trying to push other fans is when you should take a step back. 

[leto]

Yeah, I don't think Beth went into that altercation expecting to not come out of it.

 

What I am most bothered about is that Beth chose to either non-fatally stab an armed woman, just because she wanted to leave with a giant FU to Dawn; or, she's the most incompetent wanna-be murderer ever. Who stabs a (covered!) collarbone when there's an exposed neck right there? She was Hershel's kid...she must know a good place to stab if you wanna kill someone or seriously wound them. Or fuck, watched a movie one time?

 

Either way, Beth's stupidity got her killed and it was either because of OOC spite or ignorance of basic biology. Neither are particularly acceptable reasons for Beth to have died. Why she couldn't have stabbed Dawn in the jugular rather than having her bungle it and have Daryl step in to avenge her by killing Dawn? What was gained by her failing at killing Dawn? Did TPTB not want her memory to be tarnished by an out-and-out premeditated murder? Frankly, I'd rather that than what they chose.

At least she would have died taking out Dawn, rather than dying for nothing. At a stretch, I could say that she's responsible for Noah's freedom, but the idea that Rick Fucking Grimes would have stood aside while Dawn enslaved that kid again, in blatant disregard for the deal that was made, is too laughable for me to consider.

 

As an aside, I don't even know what to make of the Beth fans creating a petition to bring the character back. Girl had a hole shot clean through her brain. That was not an ambiguous death. Also, haven't they finished filming all of S5 now? So unless the show plans to pull an old-school Dallas move and go "the last season was all a dream!", I really don't know what they plan on accomplishing with that...

 

Good lord! I swear the average age of Beth's fans is 14 and most, if not all of them, are her "fans" because they want her to hook up with Daryl(so that they can vicariously hook-up with Daryl through her).  I've been reading on some other sites that in addition to this petition and the spoon-plan, they've been getting very nasty in  verbally insulting Scott Gimple and Melissa McBride (because it's somehow all her fault that TPTB decided to kill Beth) on social media sites. People need lives. It's a fictional television show.

Edited December 3, 2014 by leto

[BrokenRemote]

Take it from a former soap fan (well, not former if you count The Doctors reruns - if you have Retro TV please watch The Doctors!), sending things to TPTB does not work. They hate it. Sometimes it can go to a good cause (when a popular ATWT character named "Connor" was recast and the original actor fired, some fans sent in canned food that could be donated to food banks, with notes saying "Can-her,"), but even then, it's just not a good idea. Often it just angers TPTB. Fans of a DAYS couple spent a lot of money on expensive bedding to let the show know they wanted the characters to have a sex scene. TPTB then used the bedding to give another couple a sex scene.

If the show has any reaction, it may just be to cast another young blonde actress for a character named Beverly, and have Daryl fuck her on top of a pile of plastic spoons.

PeteMartell, you have my undying admiration for that comment!

I am especially disturbed about the claim that Beth is a symbol or surrogate for cutters and those who self-harm. People with those issues don't need to have a TV character dragged into things. And I can't help but feel that was thrown into the petition to try to give it some weight, like 'if you don't bring the character back you're doing real harm to real people'.

I was also disturbed by the people on Twitter Sunday night who were posting hateful things about their anger at the show runners.

[BrokenRemote]

ETA I'm pretty sure I saw EmilyThrace yesterday, I think on the episode thread. I was also worried about her and was glad to see her post.

[ghoulina]

really frustrates me. Which character died having had all their potential explored? I'd argue none.

 

Right??? Lori's death was so sad to me partly because of the unfinished business between her and Rick. She had finally stopped being such a selfish drain on the group and I was actually liking her and rooting for them in season 3, when - BOOM! She's gone. I wish people could just be all, "I really liked Beth and the show won't be the same without her" - without getting all nasty and bitter about it. Hershel was my favorite character when he was killed and I won't lie - it devastated me. But I wasn't angry at anyone. I didn't want demand his headless return to the show. It's a ZA, people are going to die. Deal with it and move on.

[GreyBunny]

Gimple said that he began writing for Beth's death back in season 4.  There was over a year of planning that went into this.  The story wasn't ever going to be about some epic romance between Daryl and Beth, it was about an innocent kid who was gone too soon in the ZA.  That's the tragedy that's going to affect the survivors and how the cope with it.  That's what Gimple had been planning all along.

 

MMB knew nothing about it and she's bizarrely being dragged into this.  A few of the Beth fans are saying Carol was slated to be killed off and then MMB slept with a producer to keep Carol alive and kill off Beth instead.  Oy.  

 

ETA I'm pretty sure I saw EmilyThrace yesterday, I think on the episode thread. I was also worried about her and was glad to see her post.

 

She spent time in the spoiler thread where Beth's death had been spoiled for quite some time. Though she thought Beth's storyline wouldn't go in that direction, she was aware of the possibility.  I'm sure she'll be fine.

 

I am not surprised about the petition. People seem to think petitions are magic or something.

 

They didn't even do it at the right place.  They should have done it at the White House website where a petition automatically has to be acknowledged if it reaches 150,000 signatures.  It would have been funny to see some White House staffer have to address a zombie-related issue.  For another petition the WH hilariously said they had no plans to build a Death Star even though lots of people want one ("This Isn't the Petition Response You're Looking For").  But it's moot since 5000 is a long way from 150,000.

 

That facebook page has 320 likes.  They're off to a roaring start.

Edited December 3, 2014 by GreyBunny

[AngelaHunter]

I swear the average age of Beth's fans is 14 and most, if not all of them, are her "fans" because they want her to hook up with Daryl(so that they can vicariously hook-up with Daryl through her).

 

You've nailed it, IMO. DId anyone mention or even notice Beth before the episode with her and Daryl ("Still?") I don't think so.  Would many people have boiled with outrage and set up a petition to bring her back had she been killed when the prison fell? Somehow I doubt it.

[Pete Martell]

PeteMartell, you have my undying admiration for that comment!

I am especially disturbed about the claim that Beth is a symbol or surrogate for cutters and those who self-harm. People with those issues don't need to have a TV character dragged into things. And I can't help but feel that was thrown into the petition to try to give it some weight, like 'if you don't bring the character back you're doing real harm to real people'.

I was also disturbed by the people on Twitter Sunday night who were posting hateful things about their anger at the show runners.

 

That reminds me of a few years ago when some fans were very upset about a Supernatural episode, so they kept reblogging and posting something someone wrote about how the episode had caused them to cut themselves. I was horrified and I haven't been as involved in SPN fandom since.

 

Yes, I do think that Beth was important to a lot of vulnerable viewers, and yes I think the show could have handled things better, but they have no responsibility to fans or their mental health. That's a responsibility that only that person, or those close to them, can have. Anything else is emotional blackmail and is very dangerous.

[Milaxx]

I can forgive the spelling and grammar. (Never thought I'd say that, ever!) What I cannot get past is this:

Am I the only one who finds all of this a bit sad? I didn't like Beth and wasn't sad at her death but I also am not a Carol/Darryl shipper.  Actually I could care less if any of the folks every hook up. Romance is not what drives my interest in this show. However there's something sad about the way many of these Beth 'stans seem to be over identifying with the character and genuinely upset that she is gone.

Edited December 3, 2014 by Milaxx

[Emily Thrace]

Yeah, I don't think Beth went into that altercation expecting to not come out of it.

What I am most bothered about is that Beth chose to either non-fatally stab an armed woman, just because she wanted to leave with a giant FU to Dawn; or, she's the most incompetent wanna-be murderer ever. Who stabs a (covered!) collarbone when there's an exposed neck right there? She was Hershel's kid...she must know a good place to stab if you wanna kill someone or seriously wound them. Or fuck, watched a movie one time?

Either way, Beth's stupidity got her killed and it was either because of OOC spite or ignorance of basic biology. Neither are particularly acceptable reasons for Beth to have died. Why she couldn't have stabbed Dawn in the jugular rather than having her bungle it and have Daryl step in to avenge her by killing Dawn? What was gained by her failing at killing Dawn? Did TPTB not want her memory to be tarnished by an out-and-out premeditated murder? Frankly, I'd rather that than what they chose.

At least she would have died taking out Dawn, rather than dying for nothing. At a stretch, I could say that she's responsible for Noah's freedom, but the idea that Rick Fucking Grimes would have stood aside while Dawn enslaved that kid again, in blatant disregard for the deal that was made, is too laughable for me to consider.

As an aside, I don't even know what to make of the Beth fans creating a petition to bring the character back. Girl had a hole shot clean through her brain. That was not an ambiguous death. Also, haven't they finished filming all of S5 now? So unless the show plans to pull an old-school Dallas move and go "the last season was all a dream!", I really don't know what they plan on accomplishing with that...

I think Beth fans are pissed off. Hell Im pissed off. Beth death in addition to being poorly thought it was brutally sexist. Killing Beth off to fuel Daryl's story is sexist and this petition is addressing that. There are a lot of reviews pointing out how thatt but I think a fan response is warranted. I don't know about the rest of you but I am sick of women's stories being treated as second best. Usually I'm the first to say its just a tv show but its really notin this case. Its not just about Beth its about dozens of characters and how media treats women as a whole. I may not end up changing much but I am going to use my feminist mouth to make as much noise as I can on this. I'm sick of being fed shit by networks like AMC and then thanking them for it. We probably won't get Beth back but we might make few heads roll over this besides Beth's. Afterall I did help Lennie James get his job back once, you would be amazed at what a bunch of pissed off fans can do.

[Pete Martell]

I can definitely see why people are angry, and why they see this as sexist and as just sacrificing a woman for manpain. All I hope is that fans won't exploit other fans who are struggling with mental illness, and they don't personally attack the cast or crew.

[GreyBunny]

But it's not all about Daryl's manpain.  He was friends with her and he's going to be hurt, but so will Rick, Carol, Sasha, Carl, Glenn, Michonne, and the others.  Daryl isn't the only other character on the show.  

 

Beth's death will also fuel Maggie's pain

and possibly launch her comic book storyline

.  Maggie is female so is Beth's death servicing her storyline sexist too?  

Edited December 3, 2014 by GreyBunny

[Pete Martell]

I agree, but Daryl getting the kill shot, carrying her out, etc. puts a big spotlight on him, along with him having a lot of airtime with her last season, going to find her this season, while others, like Maggie, never got to even mention her. 

 

I don't think her death will be all about Daryl, but I do feel like he got the main focus up to now.

[Emily Thrace]

I can definitely see why people are angry, and why they see this as sexist and as just sacrificing a woman for manpain. All I hope is that fans won't exploit other fans who are struggling with mental illness, and they don't personally attack the cast or crew.

I'm pretty sure the references to self harm are because the person who created the petition has a history with that.(I believe I've seen her around tumblr) So its less about Beth fans in general and more about that particulat fan.

As for th cast I don't see any one doing that most seem to feel the cast aggrees with the fans. I think SG is fair game though I don't think he deserves to be personally attack but professionally he should answer for this. As showrunner anything that happens on the show is his responsibility and that includes any blowback. Kirkman will probably get hit too as he was defending the decision but given what goes on in the comics he probably deserves it anyway

[Nashville]

https://www.facebook.com/BethGreeneDeservedBetter

 

They're calling to flood the show with spoons to demand that it all have been a Bobby Ewing style dream sequence by Carol.

 

I may not be as mentally sharp as I used to be, but I can state without qualification that at no time have I ever been so befuddled as to confuse TWD with "St. Elsewhere".