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 I'd extend it even more to say that Maggie is presented as sympathetic in her grief and Sasha isn't.

 

Well, to be fair, Maggie's been expressing her grief by kind of shutting down and going on auto-pilot whereas IMO Sasha is angry at the world and making rash decisions which could potentially endanger herself and/or the group if left unchecked...

 

Plus, the smoking walkers then attacked Carol, Tyreese, and the girls.  Dumb idea Beth!

 

Or was it? Had the charred walkers been successful, in one fell swoop, Beth would have removed her rivals for Judith's caregiver, her rivals for the role of "cute, young, innocent blond girl" AND her rival for Daryl.  ;)  

 

Wouldn't that be some kind of ZA hat-trick? 

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I feel like the narrative is elevating Beth's place/importance in their group now that she's dead and I really don't understand why.

I can accept it on the show because it's what so often happens in real life. We don't usually disrespect the dead. When someone dies we tend to focus only on all that was good in them, we don't dwell on their faults. We remember the positive and that we cared about them and let the rest go with the result often being that the deceased is elevated in death to a "status" they didn't have in life. 

 

I don't think though that the show has gone overboard on elevating Beth. Carol told Daryl "I think she saved my life. She saved yours too, right?". And Daryl told Maggie she was "strong". That's it. A far cry IMO from the perception that the show is presenting Beth as

... a sainted golden child of light who has left a trail of bottomless grief because of evil people who preyed on her, [and Tyrese deserved what he got].

 

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I don't think though that the show has gone overboard on elevating Beth. Carol told Daryl "I think she saved my life. She saved yours too, right?". And Daryl told Maggie she was "strong". That's it. A far cry IMO from the perception that the show is presenting Beth as

 

Carol, Maggie and Daryl talking about Beth...that I can understand and not scoff at.

 

But what stood out to me was Tyreese seeing her and essentially having her escort him to Heaven. That was a giant WTF moment for me. I felt it was more for the audience because I really can't imagine why she'd be given such a prominent 'role' in Tyreese's story. She plays her guitar and soothes him and then reassures him when they're in the car etc.

 

It's not a role that she was ever shown to play when they were both alive, so I really felt that she had been shoe-horned into his exit for no narrative reason at all. She came off (to me) as some kind of pied piper angel who appeared to help Tyreese shuffle off this mortal coil.

 

I'd love to know why TPTB thought that visions of Beth should have made any appearance when Tyreese was dying. .

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But what stood out to me was Tyreese seeing her and essentially having her escort him to Heaven. That was a giant WTF moment for me. I felt it was more for the audience because I really can't imagine why she'd be given such a prominent 'role' in Tyreese's story. She plays her guitar and soothes him and then reassures him when they're in the car etc.

 

It's not a role that she was ever shown to play when they were both alive, so I really felt that she had been shoe-horned into his exit for no narrative reason at all. She came off (to me) as some kind of pied piper angel who appeared to help Tyreese shuffle off this mortal coil.

 

I'd love to know why TPTB thought that visions of Beth should have made any appearance when Tyreese was dying. .

That whole episode was a WTF moment for me. It was so awful they could have had Jim and Patrick and the Easter Bunny on the bus, too, and I wouldn't have given it a moment's more thought then I did. 

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I can accept it on the show because it's what so often happens in real life. We don't usually disrespect the dead. When someone dies we tend to focus only on all that was good in them, we don't dwell on their faults. We remember the positive and that we cared about them and let the rest go with the result often being that the deceased is elevated in death to a "status" they didn't have in life.

I don't think though that the show has gone overboard on elevating Beth. Carol told Daryl "I think she saved my life. She saved yours too, right?". And Daryl told Maggie she was "strong". That's it. A far cry IMO from the perception that the show is presenting Beth as

To be clear, that bit about the sainted golden child was meant as hyperbole :) Edited by BrokenRemote
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I love how we hear the phrase "show but not tell" but then we get numerous posters who say they wish the show would've told them that it had been 17 days since Beth died.

I guess that was too hard to figure out that in a zombie apocalypse it would take some time to travel 500 miles which was said on the show.

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I guess that was too hard to figure out that in a zombie apocalypse it would take some time to travel 500 miles which was said on the show.

I don't think anyone had trouble figuring that it takes time to travel 500 miles. But how much time?

 

Sometimes---as when a song that the producers have paid good money for is playing over the scene---the road is clear to drive without interruption allowing people to gaze thoughtfully into the middle distance.

 

Other times---like having a prison visible a half-mile away---it takes 7 months of driving in circles to find that prison.

7 months. To find a prison that they could count the windows in from where they were sitting. By moonlight.

 

17 days to go from Georgia through South Carolina, and North Carolina, into Virginia.

 

Carl gets out of a train car that he's been in for one day and his voice has changed and he grew several inches taller. Judith is still able to wear the same clothing size she was wearing 2 seasons ago. TWD has it's own idiosyncratic measurement of time.

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I love how we hear the phrase "show but not tell" but then we get numerous posters who say they wish the show would've told them that it had been 17 days since Beth died.

I guess that was too hard to figure out that in a zombie apocalypse it would take some time to travel 500 miles which was said on the show.

 

Sure, it takes time.  However, I'm not sure why driving 500 miles is supposed to make it obvious it has been 17 days.  It could have taken a couple of days or up to a month, depending on the road conditions, ability to find gas, etc.  So, in my view, there was nothing obvious or "showing" that driving 500 miles constituted 17 days.  

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Did Daryl love Beth?

No. I mean, Daryl loved Beth as much as he loved Sophia. There wasn’t a romantic relationship there, in my opinion. I think that there was a camaraderie, there was a friendship, there was an understanding, but, it’s not like there was this great romance that didn’t happen because she died.

She was very young. He maybe fell in love with her the way someone can become a surrogate father or surrogate older brother. They had a tremendous connection, but not everything has to be a romantic relationship.”

— March 15, 2015 - Robert Kirkman - Wall Street Journal

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/03/15/the-walking-dead-creator-robert-kirkman-on-the-meaning-of-zombies/

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Was scanning through another thread and saw a candid pic of EK.  Out of nowhere, it hit me... its no wonder that Beth acted a bit 'spacey' sometimes.  It was like looking at a pretty close replica of Evanna Lynch, aka "Luna Lovegood" of the HP films' fame.

 

So that's a relief.  Her behavior wasn't Beth's fault, it was the nargles.  Blame it all on the nargles.

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Was scanning through another thread and seeing a candid pic of EK, and out of nowhere, it hit me... its no wonder that Beth sometimes acted a bit 'spacey' sometimes.  It was like looking at a pretty close replica of Evanna Lynch, aka "Luna Lovegood" of the HP films' fame.

 

So that's a relief.  Her behavior wasn't wasn't Beth's fault, it was the nargles.  Blame it all on the nargles.

And here I thought I was the only one....

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And here I thought I was the only one....

 

Don't know why it took so long to see that, but I saw that pic and was like "why is there a pic of EL (LL's portrayer) in a TWD thread?", until I saw the discussion of it actually being EK.

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I'm behind on a lot of my shows. So I was just watching the 8/30 episode of Masters of Sex. I'm just watching, minding my own business, and there she was. I screamed, "Oh God no, it's Beth!" And there she was wearing a red wig and playing a much younger girl, as usual. I'm not sure I can continue.

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