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I knew it! I knew Bix was with child! Glad to see B2EMO wasn't totally forgotten about either! Nice to see the Force healer again too, even if just for a moment. Dedra's fate caught me off g

thuganomics85
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Oh, fuck!  Not only did Dedra remain a prisoner of the Empire, but it looks like she's locked up in a prison similar to the one Cassian was in last season.  Never thought I would have said this last w

Fool to cry
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The people who predicted Bix was pregnant, congrats. That last shot broke my heart. K-2 using Heert as a human shield was hilariously awesome. God, the same Rebel council members from Rogue

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dwmarch

dwmarch

I knew it! I knew Bix was with child! Glad to see B2EMO wasn't totally forgotten about either!

Nice to see the Force healer again too, even if just for a moment.

Dedra's fate caught me off guard. Partagas too. I guess he knew he'd be held responsible for Kleya's escape? Interesting that he had Nemik's manifesto on his playlist, seems like it got to him in the end. One way out!

Definitely a choice to have the finale be an episode where Rebels argue amongst themselves as to whether or not the fucking Death Star is real but I think it worked. This show has done a great job in showing that the Rebellion in all its many forms doesn't always align on things.

I guess the "1 YR BBY" is actually set on New Year's Eve (New Yavin's Eve?)...? This doesn't seem like it is one whole year before Rogue One so it actually seems to be 1.99 years after the previous episodes. I assume all instances of "one year later" come with a side of "more or less". What even is a year in the Star Wars galaxy?

In my personal head canon, Kleya is going to show up at Scarif with a ship and pick up Cassian and Jyn so they can fly out of there just before that blast wave hits.

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MJ Frog

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They wound the credits up with the Star Wars theme!

More. I wanted more. I am sad and will have to process now, but I am so continually impressed by the many ways this show has demonstrated the cost of authoritarianism -- for everyone. Both those who serve it, and those who are subjected to it. Brutality and dehumanization are its inevitable ends. There is never a bad time to be reminded of that.

3 hours ago, paigow said:

Bix is hiding on the planet where :

  • An Auditor & his platoon were wiped out a few years ago
  • She was already outed as undocumented

Yeah. Odd choice, that.

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Better word choice.
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thuganomics85

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Oh, fuck!  Not only did Dedra remain a prisoner of the Empire, but it looks like she's locked up in a prison similar to the one Cassian was in last season.  Never thought I would have said this last week, but Syril might have had the better ending in comparison.  Either way, fitting end.

So, despite the odds, Cassian was able to get Kleya to Yavin and inform the Rebel leaders of the Death Star plans.  Only... for the majority of them to doubt him because they all distrust/hate Luthen and think he was just talking crazy.  Yeah, I should have saw that coming.  The Rebellion really was their own worst enemy at times.  Glad Cassian stood up for him because despite their shaky at best history, there is no doubt Cassain knows the lengths Luthen went to in order for the Rebellion to have a chance in this fight, and wasn't going to let his name be crapped on like that.  At least Mon kept an open-mind and then both Draven and Bail Organa were swayed at the end.

Was not expecting Nemik's Manifesto to briefly come back into play!  I guess Partagaz killed himself because he knew he was going to be blamed for Kleya escaping.  But it did look like he was expressing regret at the end, so there is another example of a fascist loyalist realizing how little he mattered to the organization and those in charge.  Seems to be a common "too little, too late" theme with this lot.

Everyone needs a K-2S0 in their lives!

One final moment of Saw being a big old nutty ball of ham!  Like Luthen, there is/was aspects about him that the Rebellion needed to put up a fight agains the Empire, but it is really not a surprise over how this all ends up for him come Rogue One time.

The final montage of all the characters was great.  Complete with the reveal that, yes, Bix really was pregnant with Cassian's child this entire time, so even if his time in this galaxy ended on that beach in Rogue One, his legacy/bloodline will carry on.

A few minor/normal quibbles aside, this really is going to go down as one of the best Star Wars products ever made.  Granted, even the worst of them will always have at least one or two moments or characters that stick with me.  But this show really was excellent across the board.  Fascinating and layered characters, superior writing and directing, a top notch cast, and easily the best look at how truly evil but grounded the Empire is and why so many gave their lives to try and stop that threat.  Sad that it ended but at least it went out on a high note.  And I can't wait to rewatch Rogue One again with this all in my head now.

Great job, all around.

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absnow54

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Overall, I liked it. I was surprised to see so many characters who don’t appear in Rogue One survive the series. I wonder if we’ll see Vel or Kleya pop up elsewhere (like we occasionally see Mon Mothma in Ahsoka.)

I will say, while recasting the role was fine, I was disappointed in their use of Bail. This is a man who witnessed the atrocities at the Jedi Temple and has been quietly playing nice with the Empire ever since to protect his daughter. I didn’t sense that conflict at all. His entire arc seemed to play out as “the plot calls me to be here for this scene, so I am.” It’s too bad that Vivien Leigh Blair wasn’t quite old enough to work Leia into the story, but I understand that this story was a reprieve from the Skywalker family sucking up all the air in the galaxy. Leia getting involved in the rebellion along side Bail while he struggles with protecting her from the Emperor while at the same time fighting for what he knows is right would have been a great story. 

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Raja

Raja

6 hours ago, MJ Frog said:

I hadn't seen it in a while and wanted to see how the details at the end of Andor matched the beginning of Rogue One, so I caught the first fifteen minutes or so. I have to say, it dovetailed quite nicely.

Even after 3 hours I had to do the same. I think we were told that it literally went to the start of Rogue One but I was still thinking 1 year before while watching the episodes

7 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

Oh, fuck!  Not only did Dedra remain a prisoner of the Empire, but it looks like she's locked up in a prison similar to the one Cassian was in last season.  Never thought I would have said this last week, but Syril might have had the better ending in comparison.  Either way, fitting end.

Remembering that prison I feel sorry for her. I wonder how long before she takes her one way out. But knowing them I bet her prison floor doesn't have a lethal charge.

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Sarah 103

Sarah 103

14 hours ago, dwmarch said:

I knew it! I knew Bix was with child! Glad to see B2EMO wasn't totally forgotten about either!

I'm not sure what it says about me, but I was happier to see B2EMO working well (I'm guessing that's the droid version of alive and well) then to see Bix with her child. I am happy both characters survived. I imagine when the baby gets older, Bix will tell her child their father was part of the Rebellion, she left because it was the right decision for both of them, their father off doing missions for the first year, and then died heroically. 

6 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Leia getting involved in the rebellion along side Bail while he struggles with protecting her from the Emperor while at the same time fighting for what he knows is right would have been a great story. 

You have no idea how badly/desperately I want this story to be a series or a movie.  

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Shanna Marie

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22 hours ago, paigow said:

Bix is hiding on the planet where :

  • An Auditor & his platoon were wiped out a few years ago
  • She was already outed as undocumented

So they won't expect her to go back. They said they only did audits every so often, and they've already been there. Maybe she got better documentation, and the Imperials who saw her then are all dead.

21 hours ago, dwmarch said:

I knew it! I knew Bix was with child! Glad to see B2EMO wasn't totally forgotten about either!

I have very mixed feelings about the baby. I HATE secret baby stories. It seems unfair for her not to tell him he has a child. Not telling him crosses the line from "I'm deciding for both of us" to manipulative because it's forcing him to make a choice that he would never have made if he'd known. It's also so very fanservice/fanfic. On the other hand, it does offer some hope that Cassian has some kind of legacy and will live on in some way, and B2EMO will have another Andor to help bring up. It was good to see that B2EMO has a playmate, and with Bix there he still has a member of his old family, and then there's the kid.

21 hours ago, dwmarch said:

Interesting that he had Nemik's manifesto on his playlist, seems like it got to him in the end.

I presume Cassian had something to do with getting the manifesto broadcast so that it was all over the Empire, given that he was the one who had it.

21 hours ago, dwmarch said:

Definitely a choice to have the finale be an episode where Rebels argue amongst themselves as to whether or not the fucking Death Star is real but I think it worked. This show has done a great job in showing that the Rebellion in all its many forms doesn't always align on things.

We already knew from Rogue One that they weren't all on board, even after they got additional info. They couldn't have all been agreeing that it was a real threat they needed to do something about here and still not sanction the mission to Scarif.

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14 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Leia getting involved in the rebellion along side Bail while he struggles with protecting her from the Emperor while at the same time fighting for what he knows is right would have been a great story. 

You have no idea how badly/desperately I want this story to be a series or a movie.  

This is where it's almost a pity they used Elizabeth Dulau as Kleya because she'd be perfect casting for a Leia of this era. There were a couple of shots in this episode, particularly near the end when she goes out into the base and they show her face at a certain angle, when it was uncanny how much she resembled young Carrie Fisher. But she was so good as Kleya that I'd hate to lose her. It was interesting seeing how young and vulnerable she looked once she was out of her role as spymaster/gallery assistant. She looked like a little girl when she was huddled in a blanket in Vel's quarters.

For a moment, I was thinking she'd have joined the Rogue One mission, so that's a possible glitch, but she wasn't in great shape, so I could see her staying out of it, and that would also explain why we didn't see her in A New Hope. At the very least, she's got a concussion, and the battle of Scarif is just a couple of days away and the battle of Yavin is probably less than a week away. She's not a pilot or a technical analyst, so she wouldn't have had any role in the battle of Yavin. She and Vel were probably anxiously drinking, unless they left with Mon Mothma (as I recall, she wasn't present for the battle).

 

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Raja

Raja

5 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

She's not a pilot or a technical analyst, so she wouldn't have had any role in the battle of Yavin. She and Vel were probably anxiously drinking, unless they left with Mon Mothma (as I recall, she wasn't present for the battle).

Armies don't work like that, and the scattered spies and terrorist of the rebellion were forming into a professional army on Yavin. They would have had a role, be it on the giant watch tower or strapping into a dispersion/evacuation ship.

Sarah 103

Sarah 103

26 minutes ago, Raja said:

Armies don't work like that, and the scattered spies and terrorist of the rebellion were forming into a professional army on Yavin. They would have had a role, be it on the giant watch tower or strapping into a dispersion/evacuation ship.

I agree with you about Vel and could see her having some kind of support role on base. I could picture Kleya being sidelined for part of it due to health reasons. Someone making the executive decision that they have enough people to handle everything and they need her to rest, recover, and restored to full health so she can live to fight another day at her mental and physical best (or at least as close as she can get after everything she's been through). 

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Shanna Marie

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24 minutes ago, Raja said:

Armies don't work like that, and the scattered spies and terrorist of the rebellion were forming into a professional army on Yavin. They would have had a role, be it on the giant watch tower or strapping into a dispersion/evacuation ship.

Vel, maybe, because she did have an official role, but Kleya probably wouldn't have been given an official job in just a few days after her arrival. She's still recovering, and they may not entirely trust her (though I'd think that once they got the actual Death Star plans and proved her story to be true, that would help), so if she didn't get taken in by Mon Mothma and added to her staff, they probably would have confined her to some kind of quarters during the battle. At any rate, there are enough explanations for why we don't see either of them during Rogue One or A New Hope (in-story explanations. I'm aware that the real reason is that they didn't exist when those movies were made) that it works for me.

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dwmarch

dwmarch

31 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

It seems unfair for her not to tell him he has a child. Not telling him crosses the line from "I'm deciding for both of us" to manipulative because it's forcing him to make a choice that he would never have made if he'd known.

Then again, based on what we saw of his prowess this season, the kid could also be Wilmon's. (I am joking of course)

Speaking of unexpected relationship developments, how about Perrin with Sculdun's wife? This seems to go back a couple of years (based on Mon Mothma's line about betrayal in the previous arc) and makes me wonder what happened to Sculdun. But also, why is Perrin still living the high life? I imagine Perrin's story would have been something we would have seen more of if the show had gone four more seasons instead of just one.

31 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

We already knew from Rogue One that they weren't all on board

I respect that they had to do it for plot reasons. It's just the perils of prequels. They're arguing over something we the audience have known to be true since 1977. FWIW, I think they did a great job.

A Star Wars Youtube channel I like (Kyle Katarn) theorized that the stun grenade didn't work as well on Cassian and Melshi because of their exposure to similar tech when they were in jail on Narkina 5.

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Fool to cry

Fool to cry

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I was too tired to rewatch the whole of Rogue One after the finale but I did rewatch a few scenes that are in a different context which is cool. Like in the beginning Cassian meeting the informant in the Ring of Kafrene. He says the Empire's building a weapon and Cassian asks "What kind of weapon?" twice and he answers "a planet killer". We now know the Rebels found out from Luthen about the super weapon but didn't know it was a "planet killer". mentions a scientist named "Erso" Cassian goes "Galen Erso?"  It really makes it look like Cassian realizing Luthen's info was right and his death wasn't in vain. Also that it's even more serious than they thought. 

Another moment is when Tarkin takes over the Death Star project from Krennic he says "I’m afraid the recent security breaches has laid bare your inadequacies…"

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absnow54

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6 hours ago, Fool to cry said:

Another moment is when Tarkin takes over the Death Star project from Krennic he says "I’m afraid the recent security breaches has laid bare your inadequacies…"

I rewatched the movie last night and I was really impressed with this connection. Tarkin was talking about the Imperial pilot, Bodhi who defected from the Eadu site with Galen’s message, but now there was also the built in backstory of Krenic desperately trying to cover the growing cracks in the ISB.

I will say that watching Rogue One after Andor, Vel’s absence on Scarif was felt. This was the exact type of mission she’d ride or die with Cassian on. Hopefully we’ll get a comic or something. It would have been cool if there had been a mid-credit scene in the finale of the Andor characters we never see again mobilizing for the battle to get an idea of what roles they played. 

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Shanna Marie

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9 hours ago, dwmarch said:

I respect that they had to do it for plot reasons. It's just the perils of prequels. They're arguing over something we the audience have known to be true since 1977. FWIW, I think they did a great job.

Yes, they started setting that up all the way back in season one, with Mon Mothma becoming increasingly unsettled about Luthen's methods, and that intensifying to the point of a rift in season two. Then there was the rivalry between Bail's people and Luthen's people in getting Mon Mothma out of the Senate. They also had all the discussion with Saw about the various factions within the rebellion, and there was the circular firing squad of the group on Yavin early this season. Plus the general ineffectiveness of the Senate opposition group. Pull all that into rebel leadership, and you get what we saw in this episode and in Rogue One, with too much disagreement for them to take action without absolute certainty of the outcome.

Another one you'd have expected to join the Rogue One team is Wilmon, but I think they set that up pretty well by giving him the leg injury from Ghorman that left him with a limp, plus the girlfriend, and then there was Cassian leaving him out of the Kleya rescue mission. You can imagine that he was running some interference and filing a fake flight plan for Rogue One without us seeing him.

Vel is the hardest to explain not joining the Rogue One mission. They didn't really do anything here to set up her being away. I guess you can handwave that it all came together pretty quickly, and the team mostly came from Melshi's squad (that we saw toward the end in this episode), so Cassian didn't have time to track Vel down and get her on board. He probably just found Melshi, who invited anyone interested from his squad. It wasn't a base-wide recruitment.

When Nemik's manifesto started playing, I thought it was just for our benefit as a callback and to show that he was right. The ISB was having to work so hard to keep things under control that it proved he was right about tyranny being hard to maintain. I was surprised to find that Partagaz was actually listening to it.

Interesting bookend to the series with the last sequence starting with K2 waking Cassian from a dream about his sister, reflecting the scene with B2EMO waking Cassian from a dream about his sister after the opening sequence of the series.

Dedra in a prison like Cassian was in was an interesting reflection. In both cases, they probably deserved prison but were innocent of the charges that got them there. Dedra's largely responsible for a genocide, and goodness knows what else, but she wasn't a traitor to the Empire. Cassian was a thief and murderer but was purely an innocent bystander when he was arrested. But Dedra deserves to be there more because she was actively supporting and promoting the system that created prisons like that. I guess she'll be working on Death Star 2 parts, since the first one is pretty much done.

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absnow54

absnow54

3 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

Another one you'd have expected to join the Rogue One team is Wilmon, but I think they set that up pretty well by giving him the leg injury from Ghorman that left him with a limp, plus the girlfriend, and then there was Cassian leaving him out of the Kleya rescue mission. You can imagine that he was running some interference and filing a fake flight plan for Rogue One without us seeing him.

Wilmon was the easiest to hand wave for Scarif since he’s a mechanic and critical for maintaining the fleet. It did seem odd that they didn’t leverage his connection to Saw Gerrera for the Jedha op though. 

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Fool to cry

Fool to cry

I've seen that even without the info from the ISB leak they would have still found out about the Death Star from Tivik. However what in Rogue One  is how the Alliance found out who and where Jyn Erso was very quickly considering she was under an alias. My is that while Cassian was meeting Tivik, the Yavin base used all their resources to found out all they could about Galen Erso, found out he has a daughter who had been part of Saw Gerrerra's partisans, became a criminal and was in an Imperial prison. Wilmon might have spent enough time with Saw that he might have mentioned her and had been secretly keeping track of her.

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Tachi Rocinante

Tachi Rocinante

15 hours ago, Sarah 103 said:

Serious, honest, no-snark question: What would you use instead? We don't have any idea when the events are taking place relative to the earth timeline, so having a different 0 date makes sense. 

BDS - Before the Death Star, or something like that.

The battle takes place more on the Death Star than it does Yavin.

Yavin is just the Rebel base. Nobody fought there.

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paigow

paigow

2 hours ago, Tachi Rocinante said:

BDS - Before the Death Star, or something like that.

The battle takes place more on the Death Star than it does Yavin.

Yavin is just the Rebel base. Nobody fought there.

History should try to answer Why ... Defending / Destroying Yavin is why this was a galactically significant event. Much like Midway did not refer to a protracted land battle ON said island - but rather a winner-take-all naval / aerial battle around it

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KimberStormer

KimberStormer

Well, I didn't like this ending much at all.  It was exactly the "MY SELF-SACRIFICING OC WAS THE REAL HERO ALL ALONG" retcon silliness I predicted, with a side of the horrible prequel disease of "here's exactly how everything happened that you already knew happened because it was implied and was more interesting that way".  I don't care about the details of the mission in Rogue One just like I don't care about the details of moving the plans from Jyn to Leia to get to A New Hope.  That's not what I ever liked about Andor.

Basically zero Mon Mothma and still her doing nothing but taking orders from men, cool cool.  Guess I should have known after the first set of episodes.

WHAT I DID LIKE was B2EMO and Bix happy on Planet of Wheat, even though I agree it's a bad place for her to be.  The "tragically dead hero leaves behind a child so his life was not in vain" is such a massive cliche but it's almost such a ubiquitous cliche that I can't blame them for it.  Willmon living, Kleya living, these are unexpected and nice (I almost feel like they want to keep Kleya for future stories because they obviously love her so much.)  Dedra in prison, a fitting end.  I guess she will be released when the Rebels win at Endor, if she lives that long, and will have to endure the chaos of democracy she hates so much.  I liked seeing Perrin (dude is rich! I think that counts for escaping suspicion, in the Empire) but I would prefer to see Mon's daughter in a miserable marriage.

And boy oh boy are the haircuts bad on Yavin.  Everyone looked terrible, lol.  Oh well.

Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

7 hours ago, KimberStormer said:

And boy oh boy are the haircuts bad on Yavin.  Everyone looked terrible, lol. 

This is a side effect of trying to match the aesthetic of the original trilogy, since this takes place a few days before the first movie. They're stuck with 1970s hair. I pretty much had Mon Mothma's haircut at the time I saw the original movie, and I still haven't forgiven my mother, who thought it was cute.

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Ohiopirate02

Ohiopirate02

2 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

This is a side effect of trying to match the aesthetic of the original trilogy, since this takes place a few days before the first movie. They're stuck with 1970s hair. I pretty much had Mon Mothma's haircut at the time I saw the original movie, and I still haven't forgiven my mother, who thought it was cute.

Early 80s hair when it comes to Mon. She's got the bootleg galactic version of Princess Diana's hair.

Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Early 80s hair when it comes to Mon. She's got the bootleg galactic version of Princess Diana's hair.

I had that haircut in 1977 (and, sadly, have the 4th-grade school photos to prove it, so I can't forget it or get over it). Mon's hair is shorter than Diana's and a lot less floofy. It's closer to Joyce DeWitt (the brunette) on Three's Company or the hairstyle Carol Burnett had around that time. Or Liza Minelli. That pixie cut with bangs was big in the late 70s-early 80s.

It struck me while rewatching Rogue One last night that the ending of this series must have been really confusing if you hadn't seen Rogue One and didn't know what was about to happen. It just ends on the hero flying away, with no real sense of resolution. If you don't already know what comes next, it's a cliffhanger. And it must be working because the top two items on Disney+ last night on their top-ten list were Andor and Rogue One. I'm sure a lot of people were rewatching Rogue One after Andor, but I wonder if anyone watched Andor without having seen Rogue One and needed to see what happens next.

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tennisgurl

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I'm emotionally spent, that was a great ending for such a great show. I wish that we could see what the multiple season plan was, but they did so much in so few episodes, this felt like a fitting, very bittersweet ending. I got such chills when Cassian was walking towards his ship in slow motion, exchanged a look with that Force healer, who knew just looking at him that he was doomed, then he flew away to the events of Rogue One. Obviously we all knew what was going to happen, but actually seeing it play out was a whole different thing. I feel sad but also satisfied. 

I watched Rogue One before this season started and I am going to need to watch it again, we have so much more context now, even though obviously the writers of the movie couldn't have known about the events of this show. Cassian's headspace is given so much more context now, we know that the rebel leaders weren't taking the secret weapon seriously, but now we know that Cassian is just so frustrated because he has a real lead on this huge threat, he knows Luthen wouldn't give him bad information, information he died for, and is offended at how the other rebels are shit talking a man that, for all his faults, Cassian respected. I also cant help but thinking of how tired he must have felt when he hugged Jyn and waited to die, after everything he has been through, no wonder he melted into that hug.   

I hope that someone keeps watering Cassian's plants now that he's gone. I know that Bix having a baby is going to be controversial, but I think it really works. A big theme of the show has been people sacrificing themselves for the next generation, it really fits that we end with Cassian's child, the next generation, that will have a happier life because of Cassian's sacrifices. The show is named Andor, and now even that Cassian is gone, we have a new Andor to live on. I was sure that Bix would die so I am happy that she made it, even if she lost the man she loves, and that B2EMO now has some of his family back, and his robot friend. 

I could not be happier that we came back to Namik's manifesto, even years later his words are still being repeated throughout the galaxy. One of the things I love so much about this show is how it focuses on these random no name people throughout the galaxy did so much to fight the Empire. The unnamed bellhop who first said the "rebellions are built on hope" line, Namik, a kid in some small cell in the early days of the rebellion who died in a random accident during a heist, inspiring and shocking so many people with his manifesto, dorky Lonnie whose information led to the destruction of the Death Star, Luthen and Kleya's isolated cell that basically started the funding of the rebellion and sent out the alarm about the Death Star, and obviously Cassian, Rouge One, and the many other unnamed rebels who died to get the information needed to stop the Death Star which would lead to the end of the Empire. They wont get a big parade or a medal, but they saved the galaxy. 

I did not see Partagaz killing himself coming, he got the old "you can suffer for your failure or die quickly" ending. I am sure his main motivation was to escape a much worse fate for his failures, but considering he was listening to Namik's manifesto before he died, I do wonder if he did feel at least a morsal of remorse for giving his life to this evil empire. Speaking of ironic endings, Dedra gets hit hard with the karma stick, ending up locked up in a similar prison as Cassian, crying miserably, thrown away by the very system she served. Its a very important lesson, if you support a fascist regime, you can end up being a victim of it too, your not safe because your on the inside. 

In such a serious episode, thank God we have K-2SO for some much needed levity. "Cassian! I've cleared a path!"

I tend to enjoy most everything Star Wars related, but this might be one of if not the best things the franchise has given us, certainly in the Disney era, I am kind of amazed at how much they pulled it off. Great acting, great lore, great effects, great world building, just great stuff. 

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Raja

Raja

2 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

I watched Rogue One before this season started and I am going to need to watch it again, we have so much more context now, even though obviously the writers of the movie couldn't have known about the events of this show.

I think this is a case of someone who knew how to make a prequel, not someone who wanted to ignore stuff to put in his own vision.

5 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

I do wonder if he did feel at least a morsal of remorse for giving his life to this evil empire

Either remorse of the gut feeling that in the end we will lose, and the prophet told us why.

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Ohiopirate02

Ohiopirate02

29 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

 I know that Bix having a baby is going to be controversial, but I think it really works. A big theme of the show has been people sacrificing themselves for the next generation, it really fits that we end with Cassian's child, the next generation, that will have a happier life because of Cassian's sacrifices. The show is named Andor, and now even that Cassian is gone, we have a new Andor to live on. I was sure that Bix would die so I am happy that she made it, even if she lost the man she loves, and that B2EMO now has some of his family back, and his robot friend.

I am normally not a fan of the whole "woman find out she's pregnant and flees because she just knows" trope, and would DNF this if I encountered it in a romance novel. But, I like it here. I saw someone else on another forum (maybe it was here. I can't remember) that pointed out Bix knows Cassian and loves him anyway. She's been there to see what he is like when he's aimless and what he is like when he has a goal to work towards. Being in the Rebellion makes Cassian the best version of himself, and a Cassian stuck out on that wheat planet is going to get into bad trouble. Better for him to stay in Yavin and get into good trouble. And when the Empire finally falls, they can reunite.

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tv-talk

tv-talk

Minority opinion but I think Bix is awful for not telling Cassian she was pregnant. That's just unconscionable and now he's dead never having known he had a kid let alone seen the child. I dont know why people see that as making her such a great character or story, that is a terrible thing to do to someone, a real betrayal.

As far as Dedra's possible future...didnt she look like she was going insane? I dont think things end well for her.

Partagaz was such a great character, mainly because the actor was so good. It was interesting to see how the other guy respected him and let him kill himself rather than face the certain death and torture he was in for. In a weird way it actually showed some humanness to the Empire, dare I say some honor even.

I did like the finale but also wish there was more to it if that makes sense, of course there couldnt be as it was leading up to the events of the movie, but I guess it felt weird for a series ending to not have a climatic end scene. 

On 5/16/2025 at 2:01 AM, KimberStormer said:

Basically zero Mon Mothma and still her doing nothing but taking orders from men, cool cool.  Guess I should have known after the first set of episodes.

Yeah it is kind of weird that they took a character who ended up leader of the entire Rebellion and portrayed her as relatively weak and clueless. Oh wait! She let Cassian visit the infirmary. High level stuff right there. Seriously though, odd choice to portray her as they did- I dont get it.

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Orbert

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Yeah, that was weird about Mon.  After Andor himself, she seemed like the main character in this series.  We spent a lot of time with her and her family, saw her in the senate a few times, and of course the speech openly calling for rebellion.  I figured that a year after "Welcome to the Rebellion" we'd see her at least starting to become the leader we see in the movies.  But instead she was still deferring to everyone else, even Bail Organa who I thought was an equal (and a friend). 

Speaking up the one time, to let Cassian visit Kleya in the infirmary, I guess was supposed to show how she was finally starting to stand up to these guys?  And I guess we extrapolate from there.

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Raja

Raja

29 minutes ago, Orbert said:

Yeah, that was weird about Mon.  After Andor himself, she seemed like the main character in this series.  We spent a lot of time with her and her family, saw her in the senate a few times, and of course the speech openly calling for rebellion.  I figured that a year after "Welcome to the Rebellion" we'd see her at least starting to become the leader we see in the movies.  But instead she was still deferring to everyone else, even Bail Organa who I thought was an equal (and a friend). 

Speaking up the one time, to let Cassian visit Kleya in the infirmary, I guess was supposed to show how she was finally starting to stand up to these guys?  And I guess we extrapolate from there.

It seems that basically in the story of Captain Andor and Luthen's spy network's work to get the plans Senator Mothma's side of the political leadership was just a side story to lure in those fans who wanted deeper continuity to the greater series.

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