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S02.E18: I Know What You Did Thirty-Three Summers Ago

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possibilities

possibilities

I thought Elsbeth was wearing a wire and trying to get evil judge to give himself away like how he did when he mentioned the disco music. 

I was not expecting the shooting.

I get the sense the writers are bored with their show and are wildly grasping at any idea they can think of to shake it up.

Gonzo was adorable.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

1 hour ago, Shelbie said:

When they were outside on the steps and we heard thunder I wondered if he was going to be hit by lightning. I was not expecting he would be shot.

Yes. I f’loved that choice. There are Emmys for sound editing, right?

 

BTW: Am I the only one wondering about the cutsie similarities of the title of this episode:
”I Know What You Did Thirty-Three Summers Ago”
and the title of the episode of the also-CBS show, Ghosts, that preceded it on the same night?:
”I Know What You Did Thirty-Seven Summers Ago”
?

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tv echo

tv echo

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I found this episode disappointing because Elsbeth and friends didn't manage to expose Judge Crawford's horrific crimes. He basically got away with multiple murders because he's rich, powerful and well-connected. He was only stopped by poor Delia committing murder herself. And then he's honored after death as a martyr!

So there was no real justice for Sherry or Andy.

I watch TV for entertainment. While I don't mind drama and dark storylines, I don't need to be reminded that the justice system in real life has double standards for the rich/powerful and the poor/powerless.

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DanaK

DanaK

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Michael Emerson does well as an evil guy. Michael as the judge was just so evil and didn't bat an eye hurting others. I guess it's a disappointment that he wasn't caught per se but in the end, he was taken out by Delia, who was desperate to end his reign of terror and get justice for Sherry and Andy. The writers made the guy so untouchable that murder seemed the only way to stop him. I don't condone in real life justifying murder to get rid of a bad guy, but sometimes it's the only option left. It would be one thing if he murdered a couple of people, covered it up and did nothing more. But he went after the cops trying to investigate him and made their lives miserable and endangered them, so it seemed the only way to stop him was to kill him. But it also feels like the writers didn't quite know how to wrap up the storyline and decided to kill him

At least he saw through the Captain's wife taking his glass

3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

BTW: Am I the only one wondering about the cutsie similarities of the title of this episode:
”I Know What You Did Thirty-Three Summers Ago”
and the title of the episode of the also-CBS show, Ghosts, that preceded it on the same night?:
”I Know What You Did Thirty-Seven Summers Ago”

You aren't the only one lol. I feel there was a mix-up in titles or something, but the press releases for the two shows use the same title. It's definitely strange (ETA: not exactly the same title as someone in the Ghosts thread pointed out, Three vs Seven)

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

2 hours ago, Zaffy said:

Wow, that shooting was so Law and Order. I did not expect that.

Now that you remind me, I think all those L&O denouements made this episode's assassination-on-the-courthouse-steps really land for me. 
This show does a good job of bringing back key bits from various shows that worked — like the Columbo methodology.

 

 

2 hours ago, Zaffy said:

I like that she show questions how to defeat corruption today. Of course shooting it (literally) it is not the answer, but what can desperate people do? Sometimes they just loose it.

I appreciated Elsbeth's grief that Evil Judge would now not be exposed — and, too, that Delia would now be convicted, even if she might yet be exonerated in the court of public opinion.

 

43 minutes ago, DanaK said:

But it also feels like the writers didn't quite know how to wrap up the storyline and decided to kill him

I was left assuming this was not the end of the story. 
But, yeah, I think it is.

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DanaK

DanaK

33 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

I appreciated Elsbeth's grief that Evil Judge would now not be exposed — and, too, that Delia would now be convicted, even if she might yet be exonerated in the court of public opinion.

The thing is, a trial for Delia will likely expose the judge's crimes, unless she took a plea deal and it's all quietly dealt with. If Delia realizes that, then she'll push for a trial and try to expose everything the judge did, as much as the trial judge would allow of course

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ItCouldBeWorse

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18 hours ago, possibilities said:

I thought Elsbeth was wearing a wire and trying to get evil judge to give himself away like how he did when he mentioned the disco music. 

Yes, both then and before when he was threatening her at the closed subway station. Both conversations would have ruined his chances at a federal judgeship.

He mentioned the fanny pack and knowing they would compare his DNA from the whiskey glass. Should he have even known there was a fanny pack if he wasn't at the original murder scene?

19 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Oh no. A sad ending. I was so worried for Delia. Was not expecting this. 

5 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I appreciated Elsbeth's grief that Evil Judge would now not be exposed — and, too, that Delia would now be convicted, even if she might yet be exonerated in the court of public opinion.

Agreed. Surely she will reveal all the details of the investigation during her own prosecution (hopefully to a very good journalist), so the Judge's reputation will be rewritten. Perhaps the journalist can discover how Crawford got the case assigned to himself.

Interesting detail: in NY, killing a judge because he is a judge is 1st degree murder (the reporter phrased it as revenge on the judge who sat on her case) as opposed to killing a judge because he is a bad neighbor (2nd degree; still serious). But she didn't kill Crawford because he was a judge. She killed him because he used the power of his judgeship to do terrible things (the argument her attorney should make). She'll be charged with both 1st and 2nd degree, I presume. And a gun possession charge. And endangering Elsbeth and others!

I suppose if the entire story comes out, her sentence could be somewhat less than the maximum, if she takes a plea and the DA and Judge adjudicating the case agree. But it's a very bad look to kill a judge. I also doubt she will pursue a plea of mental illness.

I'm actually not thrilled with the outcome, unless the entire story does come out in a way that the powers-that-be find believable.

4 hours ago, DanaK said:

The thing is, a trial for Delia will likely expose the judge's crimes, unless she took a plea deal and it's all quietly dealt with. If Delia realizes that, then she'll push for a trial and try to expose everything the judge did, as much as the trial judge would allow of course

She can try to get a journalist interested in her story.

 

 

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Chit Chat

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15 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

He’s drinking Bannerdale 18!  

Sorry to be daft, but that sailed over my head!  

2 hours ago, DanaK said:

The writers made the guy so untouchable that murder seemed the only way to stop him.

They took what we all expected to be a murder case wrapped up with a neat little bow and threw us a curveball!  It was a dose of reality, I suppose.  The judge was just too powerful and too many steps ahead of everyone else.  Delia felt that she had nothing else to lose.  Everyone believed that she murdered Andy, and her life was in ruins.  It's too bad though, because with Elsbeth on the case, she would've gotten him eventually.  

The investigators who originally looked into the young lady's murder were either incompetent or bought off.  Blaming it on a lack of DNA testing was lazy.  That crime scene screamed 'murder!'

 

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EtheltoTillie

EtheltoTillie

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1 hour ago, Broderbits said:

Pardon my stupidity, but what does that mean?

No, you're not stupid.  It was blink and you miss it. 

When they were in the pool as teens, they were drinking whiskey.  Later when reviewing the teenage diary of the girl, it was revealed that the judge character always drank this expensive whiskey called Bannerdale 18, which ran $700 a bottle, so there's no way the other kid could have bought it.  Then at the gala event, adult Judge Crawford ordered Bannerdale 18, confirming that he had to be the one at the swimming pool that day.  But still not enough to pin the whole crime on him.  

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Chit Chat

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1 hour ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Then at the gala event, adult Judge Crawford ordered Bannerdale 18, confirming that he had to be the one at the swimming pool that day. 

Thanks!  I thought maybe it was a reference to something else.  Apparently, I wasn't paying close enough attention to their conversation!!

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seacliffsal

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I was disappointed in the ending as I truly wanted the judge to be exposed and face consequences.  Yes, I get it-death is the ultimate consequence, but now Deliah will face the consequences for her actions.

I did like the road trip, and Elsbeth's need for two suitcases just for snacks!

And, I also liked how our crew worked and supported each other.  Even when facing threats to their jobs and security, they worked together to try to expose the judge.

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possibilities

possibilities

3 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

I did like the road trip, and Elsbeth's need for two suitcases just for snacks!

How is she so thin?

It would be funny if one week EVERY CBS show had the same title, with just the number of years off by one number each.

Luigi, the guy who IRL is alleged to have shot the insurance executive, seems to have a lot of fans. Maybe Delia will also have fans. It won't make prison pleasant, but it would at least be a psychological support.

 

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

 

19 hours ago, DanaK said:

The thing is, a trial for Delia will likely expose the judge's crimes, unless she took a plea deal and it's all quietly dealt with. If Delia realizes that, then she'll push for a trial and try to expose everything the judge did, as much as the trial judge would allow of course

I hope that happens.  I suppose she would need the right lawyer too.  One who is willing to dig deeper into the case and take the chance of smearing a highly respected judge's name, even though he's dead.  He had some powerful friends who might not take kindly to someone dragging his name through the mud, although it is deserved.  

Kaya looked great in her suits!  I'm glad the Captain put the male detective in his place.  He was too smug.  

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shapeshifter

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27 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

I'm glad the Captain put the male detective in his place.  He was too smug.  

He seems equal parts smug and incompetent. 😉

I keep replaying the ending in my head
and wondering if they'll go back to it,
and wondering if they've even decided whether or not to go back (to the plot to expose the evil judge),
and wonder if they've decided to, yes, do it, if the show lasts long enough (so much uncertainty these days, including with the network) 
but are waiting to see how stuff (in the zeitgeist too) goes before they write the script.

There is a pre-Nov 2016 L&O SVU episode that was shot and never aired. Must've been $$ to pull it permanently. 

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

As husband and wife, I wonder how difficult it was for Carrie to film that scene with her husband, Michael, getting shot and dying.  Her emotions were very palpable to me.  Maybe it's just being a great actress that makes pulling off that scene a success, but I thought that Carrie did a great job in that moment.  

Poor Elsbeth.  Now it appears that she has guilt for even opening up the investigation into the Judge.  It'll be interesting to see how this affects her character. 

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DanaK

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4 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

As husband and wife, I wonder how difficult it was for Carrie to film that scene with her husband, Michael, getting shot and dying.  Her emotions were very palpable to me.  Maybe it's just being a great actress that makes pulling off that scene a success, but I thought that Carrie did a great job in that moment.  

Poor Elsbeth.  Now it appears that she has guilt for even opening up the investigation into the Judge.  It'll be interesting to see how this affects her character. 

She said in an interview she didn’t like it, Michael said it was all in a day’s work

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Ceindreadh

Ceindreadh

19 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

Since Elsbeth had the dead girl's diary, I don't know why they couldn't ask some of her old friends if Milton Crawford was the lurker.

The ending was not very satisfying.

All that would prove is that the guy was accused of being a bit of a creep 33 years earlier.  As we've seen in the real world, old accusations like that don't seem to have much effect. 

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SoMuchTV

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2 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

As husband and wife, I wonder how difficult it was for Carrie to film that scene with her husband, Michael, getting shot and dying.  Her emotions were very palpable to me.  Maybe it's just being a great actress that makes pulling off that scene a success, but I thought that Carrie did a great job in that moment.  

 

2 hours ago, DanaK said:

She said in an interview she didn’t like it, Michael said it was all in a day’s work

I kept wondering what it’s like for her to be married to such an evil, insufferable jerk! I can only assume he’s the greatest guy in the world IRL and nothing like his various evil roles, but he’s so convincing!

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DanaK

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43 minutes ago, SoMuchTV said:

 

I kept wondering what it’s like for her to be married to such an evil, insufferable jerk! I can only assume he’s the greatest guy in the world IRL and nothing like his various evil roles, but he’s so convincing!

Way, way too convincing. But he sounds like a nice, thoughtful guy in his interviews for the show 

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SomeTameGazelle

SomeTameGazelle

On 4/24/2025 at 10:56 PM, laredhead said:

Wow, I did not see that coming.

 

I have to admit that as soon as Delia told Elsbeth that she had nothing left to lose that I anticipated that she would be willing to kill him.

Although it is frustrating I much prefer that the story acknowledged that the outcome wasn't perfectly satisfactory. I would rather they had figured out earlier about the vetting and managed to feed information to Victor Landis to scupper the judge's appointment however. 

If they do any follow-up with Delia's case maybe they can expose Crawford's crimes after all, including his suppressing the DNA evidence. 

 

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