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S04.E20: I Know What You Did Thirty-Seven Summers Ago


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First of all, even if Stephanie had been telling the truth, how were Sam and Jay going to prove it.  I guess they probably wouldn't have to.  People would jsut believe them, but Tad would seriously wonder how they had known that.

Second of all, Jay was right in the first place.  They don't need to do everything the ghosts ask them to do.

And I know Flower wasn't getting any higher in the last scene, but I think it would have been funny if somehow she became totally unhigh and clear when she's around livings smoking pot.

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Ahahahahaha, that end scene, oh, my god. "Does everyone in this car hate me?" And everything with Hetty XD. 

Good to see the palm to the face bit is still a thing, apparently. Pete doing it to Alberta is quite the twist, though. Probably for the best, though, honestly - if they ever were to go there with those two, Pete needs to stay his usual self and he and Alberta would need to connect on that level. Plus, Pete not wanting to cheat just...makes obvious sense. And it'd also help to not be, y'know, high :p. 

Still, I do love that they were able to have a little moment all the same. And I did like Hetty acknowledging all the ways Pete has changed lately, and the things he's done that his earlier self would be shocked by :p. 

As for the main story, ooooooh, I liked the whole thing with Stephanie's boyfriend going on to be the mayor. Not too wild about how he used the chainsaw murder in his stump speech, but I do like knowing that he did try and fight off the killer, and I am glad that Stephanie got some closure on everything from that night, and her jealousy over him winding up with Melanie. The reveal about their daughter was really sweet. 

Two episodes left in the season! Can't believe we're almost at the end already, but looking forward to how they wrap everything up. 

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I thought this was really good! I'm glad I didn't see any previews or spoilers because everything caught me by surprise. I'm always happy to see Stephanie pop up once in awhile.

So much funny stuff. Stoner Gabe going "It's April already? I have to cancel Peacock." The insane asylum that's now a Starbucks. Stoned Pete. "Do you remember Bugles? Oh that's right you can't hear me. Do you remember Bugles?" "Everyone was there, the Sportos, the Motor Heads, the Dweebies. No offense  Sam."

And OMG the topper. Hetty, Trevor and Stephanie getting high with Gabe. And Flower not feeling any different. "You know who's random? Jenkins."

I guess I'm trying to wrap my head around how a ghost could get high. I mean yeah they can smell but smelling pot doesn't get you high. You have to absorb it into your bloodstream and ghosts don't have those.

Can't believe the season is almost over! 

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Why hasn't Sam learned to question what the ghosts tell her?  She should've talked to the basement ghosts & the shed ghosts to see if they happened to know the truth about Stephanie before jumping to conclusions.  It really made Sam & Jay look like idiots for making such a bold, baseless accusation.  

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8 minutes ago, Chit Chat said:

Why hasn't Sam learned to question what the ghosts tell her?  She should've talked to the basement ghosts & the shed ghosts to see if they happened to know the truth about Stephanie before jumping to conclusions.  It really made Sam & Jay look like idiots for making such a bold, baseless accusation.  

 But they wouldn’t know if Nancy or the other ghosts were telling the truth or lying. Of course, if they weren’t sure, they shouldn’t have said anything

The ending scene with the ghosts getting high with Gabe was priceless

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I love the whole "I/she leaned" conversations. LOL

Trevor always forget Stephanie is technically older than him but I sure he still feels icky since she's forever 17 or 18.

Stephanie is still a bit of a mean girl but I'm glad she found out her boyfriend and best friend didn't betray her. She was happy they still cared enough to name their daughter after her.

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Good thing the mayor accepted Sam and Jay’s lie about being high, and it’s sweet that Tad and Melanie ended up naming their daughter after Stephanie. I laughed at his suggestion to split the gummies in half next time, and Flower’s response. “The munchies are the drugs?!”

I love stoned Pete and it’s not surprising that he’s more attractive to Alberta now that he’s being “bad” but yeah, he wouldn’t cheat on Donna, so it’s not going anywhere unless he ends that relationship first. 

Hetty, Flower, Trevor, and Stephanie in the car with Gabe was hilarious. “I planted that tree and now it’s huge.” And Flower calling everyone lightweights because she’s not getting any higher lmao. 

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Is there any level of disappointment for Flower that she can’t get any higher?

I think that she died right at a peak for her, so I don’t know that she ever feels like she needs to get higher. I think maybe her anxiety would be about it lasting, and that probably has to do with her forgetting that she’s actually going to be in the same state forever. I think she battles so much with honestly trying to hang on to lucidity that she’s not really concerned with the opposite problem. I think for Flower, she’s going to go on a journey of really trying to remember better in order to grow and to do right by her housemates and everything.

https://www.tvinsider.com/1188438/ghosts-season-4-flower-pete-420-holiday-episode/

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11 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

Why hasn't Sam learned to question what the ghosts tell her?  She should've talked to the basement ghosts & the shed ghosts to see if they happened to know the truth about Stephanie before jumping to conclusions.  It really made Sam & Jay look like idiots for making such a bold, baseless accusation.  

Yeah, I was surprised at how easily Sam and Jay believed Stephanie's story, especially since, as Isaac pointed out, she'd not the most reliable source of information.  I actually felt a bit sorry for Tad.  Imagine having endured the terror and horror of being attacked by a chainsaw-wielding maniac while being brave enough to try and protect your girlfriend, only to have two people who weren't even born at the time publicly accusing you of cowardice (Sam's lame excuse afterward wasn't very convincing).  If it had been me, I'm not sure they ever would have received those permits.  It also seemed odd to see Justin Kirk playing a benign person because the last show I saw him in was "Succession," where he played a seriously fascist presidential candidate.

12 hours ago, iMonrey said:

"You know who's random? Jenkins."

I guess I'm showing my age, but I don't know what "random" means in that context.  Could someone enlighten me (he asked sheepishly)?

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13 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Ahahahahaha, that end scene, oh, my god. "Does everyone in this car hate me?"

Of course Trevor would be the one to get paranoid. 😄

1 hour ago, Chit Chat said:

I didn't know that 4/20 was an actual thing.  Hmm. 

It's apparently a big thing with some stoners.  At least that's what I've gathered from the few I still know.

1 hour ago, PaulE said:

I guess I'm showing my age, but I don't know what "random" means in that context.  Could someone enlighten me (he asked sheepishly)?

From the Urban Dictionary:

"What does random mean in slang?

The word random literally means “proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern.” However, since the 1980s, random has been used as a slang term to mean “a person or thing that is odd or unpredictable.” There is certainly something odd and unpredictable about randomness"

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I guess considering it's Stephanie they should have been more suspicious, but they didn't particularly have any reason to believe she was lying about this. And with her, Trevor and Hetty standing there shaming Sam and urging her to speak up it's easy to fall into group mentality. If it were true then Tad would really be a scumbag using Stephanie's murder for political gain, so I can understand the outrage.

But this episode was a standout for me because of all the great lines.

"I thought the mayor was a dog." "No that's the next town over." Is that a callback? I seem to recall them mentioning a dog mayor in a previous episode.

Gabe: "And let me know if you see that spatula." Flower: "I feel like I just saw it."

Tad: "Someone very special to me lost their life here." Alberta: "Maybe narrow it down for us pal."

When they showed the flashback of the vigil for Stephanie and we saw young Tad, I don't think that was the same actor they used in Stephanie's original episode. They purposely didn't show his face in the re-used clip of them making out in the driveway.

Hetty says Stephanie was "hacked to death" but she wasn't. She was sawed to death. But I guess Hetty doesn't know how chainsaws work.

Richie Moriarty did a good job looking stoned. Good directing or personal experience?

I had to look up Dig Dug and Phrenologist. Interesting that Nancy would know the latter. I'm guessing she was a test subject, which is hilarious. 

"A phrenologist is someone who studies the shape and contours of the skull to infer a person's mental faculties and character, according to Merriam-Webster. This practice, now largely considered pseudoscience, was popular in the 19th century."

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2 hours ago, PaulE said:

  I actually felt a bit sorry for Tad.  Imagine having endured the terror and horror of being attacked by a chainsaw-wielding maniac while being brave enough to try and protect your girlfriend, only to have two people who weren't even born at the time publicly accusing you of cowardice

And yet when Tad was speaking to the crowd, touting his fitness to be elected, it all sounded like the most smarmy of politician promises, maybe in part by the way Justin Kirk delivered the lines:

  • “And in many ways, the city's budget crisis is a metaphorical chainsaw killer, from which I will not run!”

and:

  • “'Cause I don't run away from problems. Let's fix those potholes.
    Who's with me?”

Maybe that was a directorial choice so the denouement of Stephanie's lie would be a surprise? Or maybe it's why they cast Kirk?

 

4 minutes ago, DanaK said:

Strangely, this episode and this week's episode of "Elsbeth" share the same title. Very weird

Yes.
But actually, just almost:
Elspeth episode 2:18: “I Know What You Did Thirty-Three Summers Ago”
Ghosts episode 4:20: “I Know What You Did Thirty-Seven Summers Ago”
Note: They're both CBS shows, and they might attract similar audiences. 
Plus: Normally Elsbeth does not air right after Ghosts.

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19 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Elspeth episode 2:18: “I Know What You Did Thirty-Three Summers Ago”
Ghosts episode 4:20: “I Know What You Did Thirty-Seven Summers Ago”

Ah, I didn't catch the difference lol

But, wasn't Stephanie killed 50-some years ago? (ETA: I might just be thinking of Stephanie's age)

 

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Nobody minds the corruption of having the permits be either blocked until the politician intervenes, or granted because he does? I'm not saying it's unrealistic, but it the mix of "accusing him of unethical behavior" while asking him to pull strings....

I'm actually getting increasingly bored and irritated by the plots. The show still has funny quips, but the stories are starting to drive me away.

The obsession with Sass being a virgin has been going on for multiple episodes and seems to only let up because he wasn't in this episode. The ghosts disrupt basic functions of Sam's and Jay's business, make them look crazy, obnoxioius, or foolish, and nobody ever learns anything from it so they just let it happen again. And we have no idea how they pay the bills, giuve that they alienate just about everyone who shows up there, whether a customer, a contractor, a politician, or a neighbor... and a lot of the time one of them dies.

I get that sitcoms have patterns, but I'm losing interest and it's depressing because the show has such good bones, and so much story potential they are squandering.

Of course, the ratings seem to say I'm just a disgruntled malcontent, and overall what they are doing is actually what people want. So I apologize for raining on the picnic. 

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1 minute ago, possibilities said:

Nobody minds the corruption of having the permits be either blocked until the politician intervenes, or granted because he does? I'm not saying it's unrealistic, but it the mix of "accusing him of unethical behavior" while asking him to pull strings....

I guess it was supposed to be humorous. 
There's some behind-the-scenes CBS sales negotiations going on.
Could they have cut back on the writing staff?
I thought the matter-of-fact, permit-getting corruption was just not-quite-amusing.
To paraphrase a different source: Better for words and actions to be hot or cold than lukewarm — which I don't agree with in most real life situations, but for a comedy show script? Yes. 

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14 minutes ago, possibilities said:

So I apologize for raining on the picnic. 

No need to apologize.  It wasn't my favorite episode.  I generally don't like shows where there are misunderstandings like this.  I especially dislike seeing Sam & Jay looking like idiots.  There were a few good lines, but overall, I didn't care for it.

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17 hours ago, iMonrey said:

And OMG the topper. Hetty, Trevor and Stephanie getting high with Gabe. And Flower not feeling any different. "You know who's random? Jenkins."

I guess I'm trying to wrap my head around how a ghost could get high. I mean yeah they can smell but smelling pot doesn't get you high. You have to absorb it into your bloodstream and ghosts don't have those.

I thought the remark about Jenkins being "random" called back (in a way) to Jay's remark about Stephanie not even being one of the main ghosts.  Just a bit of meta commentary.  Hetty was stoned, and for whatever reason Jenkins popped into her head, just as the "not main" ghosts show up randomly once in a while.

Technically, the ghosts shouldn't really be able to smell, either.  Smelling involves airborne molecules being absorbed and processed by your olafactory nerve.  Getting high involves airborne molecules being absorbed into your blood.  If ghosts can smell, then they can get high from "smoking" because it's basically the same process.  At least within the rules of this show.

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4 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

The word random literally means “proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern.” However, since the 1980s, random has been used as a slang term to mean “a person or thing that is odd or unpredictable.” There is certainly something odd and unpredictable about randomness"

Thanks.  I've only ever heard of an event or action being random, not a person.  Yet that usage has been around since the 1980s?!?  I guess I hung out with a different group of people back then.  At any rate, I don't see how Jenkins is more random than anyone else around there, but I realize you're not always going to make sense when you're stoned.  It's ironic to think that Hetty the cocaine queen was having her first experience with weed.

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How did all the drug references get past the network? High Pete was hilarious Hetty was telling the truth when she said Coco-Cola contained cocaine when it was invented. Stephanie's death should have been heartbreaking but it wasn't since we hardly know her. I would have hated to die with the maturity of a teenager Stephanie will never mature.

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1 hour ago, kathyk2 said:

How did all the drug references get past the network?

Marijuana is legal in NY state and elsewhere.
Writers seem to be leaning into pot-themed plots, perhaps because it's a new subject to be mined.

 

23 minutes ago, chaifan said:

Was I the only one expecting Stephanie to get sucked off in the end, after learning the Mayor & wife named their daughter after her?  

It didn't occur to me, but I wouldn't have questioned it. 
Maybe she still needs to resolve her obsession with Trevor?

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22 hours ago, Katy M said:

even if Stephanie had been telling the truth, how were Sam and Jay going to prove it.  I guess they probably wouldn't have to.  People would jsut believe them

They have to be more careful, because this situation could have easily led to a lawsuit for defamation of character. Especially from a public figure. That they would lose.

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2 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

How did all the drug references get past the network? High Pete was hilarious Hetty was telling the truth when she said Coco-Cola contained cocaine when it was invented.

How?  Because it isn't the anti-hippie 1960's establishment anymore.  Or 1980's Nancy Reagan telling everyone to just say "no."  Not that anybody listened.

OT: The only reason cocaine still isn't in Coke is because the beer and liquor industry saw coke Coke becoming more popular than their drug so paid the politicians (lobbied, lol) to make cocaine illegal.  Same thing with grass.  The tobacco industry paid off the politicians to make "whacky tobaccy" illegal because their drug was losing sales to it.  In other words, GREED.

So two drug industries got the other drugs made illegal and hundreds of thousands of people got arrested and received criminal records and lost decent jobs over the years so those two "legal" drug industries could have bigger profits. 

Yes "legal" booze took a hit during the brief time of prohibition but statistics showed slightly more people drank then than when it was legal.  And it soon was back legally but not before organized crime got their major foothold in America.  How ridiculously illogical things are on planet earth.

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7 hours ago, possibilities said:

I'm actually getting increasingly bored and irritated by the plots. The show still has funny quips, but the stories are starting to drive me away.

The obsession with Sass being a virgin has been going on for multiple episodes and seems to only let up because he wasn't in this episode. The ghosts disrupt basic functions of Sam's and Jay's business, make them look crazy, obnoxioius, or foolish, and nobody ever learns anything from it so they just let it happen again. And we have no idea how they pay the bills, giuve that they alienate just about everyone who shows up there, whether a customer, a contractor, a politician, or a neighbor... and a lot of the time one of them dies.

I get that sitcoms have patterns, but I'm losing interest and it's depressing because the show has such good bones, and so much story potential they are squandering.

Of course, the ratings seem to say I'm just a disgruntled malcontent, and overall what they are doing is actually what people want. So I apologize for raining on the picnic.

I'm with you; all have included funny lines, and the actors are still doing their thing, but I have not liked the lazy storytelling of the last three episodes.

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7 hours ago, Orbert said:

Technically, the ghosts shouldn't really be able to smell, either.  Smelling involves airborne molecules being absorbed and processed by your olafactory nerve.  Getting high involves airborne molecules being absorbed into your blood.  If ghosts can smell, then they can get high from "smoking" because it's basically the same process.  At least within the rules of this show.

Talk abouta buzzkill...

"Whoa. The munchies are the drugs? I died too soon, man."

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23 hours ago, possibilities said:

Nobody minds the corruption of having the permits be either blocked until the politician intervenes, or granted because he does? I'm not saying it's unrealistic, but it the mix of "accusing him of unethical behavior" while asking him to pull strings....

I took it to mean that getting the restaurant permitted was taking a long time and Jay wanted the mayor to speed things up. Nothing particularly "corrupt" about that.

20 hours ago, PaulE said:

It's ironic to think that Hetty the cocaine queen was having her first experience with weed.

But marijuana would have been considered a poor person's drug at Hetty's social level. And possibly a racial thing as well.

19 hours ago, kathyk2 said:

Stephanie's death should have been heartbreaking but it wasn't since we hardly know her. I

It struck me as rather poignant when she saw "old Melanie" and learned they'd had a kid they named Stephanie. Tad and Melanie grew up and have had a whole life in the past 37 years whereas Stephanie is stuck being a kid forever. That's gotta be weird and kind of sad.

23 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Maybe that was a directorial choice so the denouement of Stephanie's lie would be a surprise? Or maybe it's why they cast Kirk?

I think both. There is just something inherently smarmy about Justin Kirk.

15 hours ago, Bastet said:

I'm with you; all have included funny lines, and the actors are still doing their thing, but I have not liked the lazy storytelling of the last three episodes.

I do think this season has been rather weak overall, but I thought this episode was quite strong. It had a lot of callbacks and I got a lot of big laughs out of it. That's all I really need from a sitcom. 

21 hours ago, Orbert said:

Technically, the ghosts shouldn't really be able to smell, either.  Smelling involves airborne molecules being absorbed and processed by your olafactory nerve.  Getting high involves airborne molecules being absorbed into your blood.  If ghosts can smell, then they can get high from "smoking" because it's basically the same process.  At least within the rules of this show.

Yeah I was trying to work this out too but by the same token they shouldn't be able to hear or see either, so it all falls apart when you pull at it.

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It bugs me that Isaac talked in front of everyone about Chris being "lost to the winds" and told them he recently thought he saw Chris on the horizon, but it was just a paper bag, so he'll keep looking up.  No one asks him what the hell he's on about, so the implication is he told everyone else the truth, and either told them not to tell Nigel, or neglected to tell them about his lying to Nigel that Chris got sucked off, so inevitably someone is going to slip at some point and mention Chris's ghost power in front of Nigel.

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3 hours ago, Bastet said:

It bugs me that Isaac talked in front of everyone about Chris being "lost to the winds" and told them he recently thought he saw Chris on the horizon, but it was just a paper bag, so he'll keep looking up.  No one asks him what the hell he's on about, so the implication is he told everyone else the truth, and either told them not to tell Nigel, or neglected to tell them about his lying to Nigel that Chris got sucked off, so inevitably someone is going to slip at some point and mention Chris's ghost power in front of Nigel.

I do think Isaac's little white lie about Chris is definitely going to come back to bite him at some point, yes. Perhaps those comments from him were foreshadowing of that. 

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On 4/26/2025 at 6:08 PM, Annber03 said:

I do think Isaac's little white lie about Chris is definitely going to come back to bite him at some point, yes. Perhaps those comments from him were foreshadowing of that. 

I think so, too.  But I also think Nigel will forgive him once he understands that Isaac was trying to shield him from being hurt yet again after being jilted at the altar.  Not that Chris and Nigel had been an item, but their kiss probably got Nigel's hopes up.

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39 minutes ago, PaulE said:

I think so, too.  But I also think Nigel will forgive him once he understands that Isaac was trying to shield him from being hurt yet again after being jilted at the altar.  Not that Chris and Nigel had been an item, but their kiss probably got Nigel's hopes up.

Oh, absolutely. Nigel has proven himself to be remarkably forgiving where Isaac's concerned, and I do think, deep down, he's hoping that he and Isaac can maybe get back together again someday. So yeah. Once he sees just how selfless Isaac's actions were with that lie, that might be the thing that gets the ball rolling for them- either they'll get together again in the finale or it'll at the very least make them realize that that's what they want, and that'll be explored next season. Once they deal with whatever craziness might wind up going down in said season finale, that is :p. 

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50 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Oh, absolutely. Nigel has proven himself to be remarkably forgiving where Isaac's concerned, and I do think, deep down, he's hoping that he and Isaac can maybe get back together again someday. So yeah. Once he sees just how selfless Isaac's actions were with that lie, that might be the thing that gets the ball rolling for them- either they'll get together again in the finale or it'll at the very least make them realize that that's what they want, and that'll be explored next season. Once they deal with whatever craziness might wind up going down in said season finale, that is :p. 

I don't think it will be an issue unless High Potential gets canceled. Nigel hasn't been on the show very often.

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